time which means that it has a several investors where, where do we re a block land reform in the south african country. ok. it's a more use this. our 5 people have been killed, including a child, as israel continues at the rates on the west bank that coming from the palace to me and health administrative relatives could be seen gathering at a local cemetery to see all their loved ones and grief. the amount of today we released the bodies from the refrigerators to their families, so they could see them before the bearings. the

warning disturbing images ahead now is people in jeanine more in the depths of those killed v. as really electric continued operations in the west by the latest incursion dumped the iron wall by the adf begun nearly 2 weeks ago, just after the hum us israel ceasefire was, is really forces said they have eliminated 50 quote, terrorist in the area and obtained at least a 100 more people a leisurely army also reported it destroyed $23.00 buildings as part of the operation, claiming the host from us military infrastructure. not those donald trump actually have a plan to end the rank conflict. where is the news just like the old on the spot, the sanctions and friends crossed off debates. next, the

welcome to cross stock bull horns were all things are considered on peter level. this trump actually have a plan to end the ukraine conflict. it doesn't appear so also the new administration is actively backing a plan to forcibly displace palestinians. in other words, ethnic cleansing. will trump soon be known as genocide? done to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, jordan, samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast throughout the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have marks level that he has an international relations and security analyst, or a gentleman cross type roles in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it, right, let's kick it off with the mark here in moscow, again, it's early days for this administration, but when trump came in, even as

a candidate, he touted that he within the conflict in ukraine. and he's made a number of pronouncements all over the place, at least that's how i see it. um, and the latest thing is that, um, as part of this process, the trump plan, there has to be elections in ukraine. what's that all about? until in total more, what's going on here? maybe nothing is going on here. what's your thoughts? okay, so over a week ago, donald trump made a post on, on his social media truth social, where he made what is essentially threats and ultimatums to the russian government. this is the way that he often speaks to the american public right in a populist way with screaming capital letters and demands and whatnot. he called the war ridiculous. he said he was trying to do the raja

government of failure or a favor that their economy was failing, which is absolutely false that they had suffered extremely high casualties. which, you know, compared at least to the average name is totally false and a bit of a key of american or at least by new ministration, propaganda. and he sounded like a cross between a petulant child and a want to be mafia. don, no, no pun intended, on the dawn. so he, this was, we have to say probably absorbed with a grain of salt in, in moscow there wasn't much direct comment. certainly nothing from the russian president on this and simply with the threats of sanctions, terrorist and taxes, as, as if terrorist and taxes would affect rush at all. i don't really understand, but donald trump seems to like the words,

the russian presidential spokesman. so there's nothing new there. you know, we've weathered 24002nd since from the west at this point there's there's absolutely nothing interesting for us in this book. yeah. but see both sides. right . go ahead. i think there's been a reassessment. i think the for one thing we've heard from uh trumps. nominal piece on boy, the retired general kellogg, that the 100 days is out the window. all right, i mean at 1st we run 24 hours in that a 100 days and then they were talking 6 months. and now it's, this is extremely complicated and it may take some time, right? and, and so that's completely out. plus, i think we've received some other signal. trump has made some comments about being in serious discussions already with the russians. the russian say that's not happening, at least not at any high level. there has been no direct phone calls. the only direct communication so far has been that childish a social media post,

but i would say that what it appears to be right now is the trump administration is reassessing and realizing how little leverage they have over the situation. and i think that is perhaps one of the most hopeful signs. quiet right now is actually good because it means they're taking a serious look at what's going on. that said, if there's quiet for too long, if russia in the us continue, if boot and then, and trump still don't even have a phone call right a month from now, then that is a sign of worried because that can become the new settlement norm. yeah, but that's okay, but the given when mark said george, i mean a, they'd kind of confirms that they really have never had a policy. and now, because of a serious look at it shows the number of challenges here mark did mention didn't

mention something that is always in the cards. and it's something that george and i have talked about a great deal. is it? well, why not just keep it going, george, as well as that. so do most likely outcome because if there isn't any um the very 1st step, some kind of a, a telephone call uh between uh trump and puts in and following on from that some kind of a, a subordinate between trump and boots. and then i think it's, uh, there's no real prospect all of anything uh very much on the horizon. and then the, the, the most recent beams of you, given by uh, general catalog. um you gave it the one on fox news. the get integrated the something really very much, although then kellogg's face in trauma. the ability um as

a deal lake and he over and over again. uh, catalog mentioned this through. uh, brent bad. well, you know, trump is the, is a, do you make a, he's a, do you make a those have been charged? everybody knows, at least that's the mythology, around travel, but what is the deal? that's exactly it, but we haven't had the deal. i mean, fact if you go back to his 1st, um he really didn't make any deals. and so what we have at the moment then is trump and tell are expressing some of your grade, great optimism that they're there. they're moving towards something, but there's no indication because as, as far as one can understand what, what the trump plan is, or the from the deal is which is, well, it's freeze the conflict in plates. but it's just uh, in, you know, in the fighting. now, as it was, sees find out, um, is this now uh, let's, let's put off the, uh, the nato business, you know, into the. yeah, but it's yours. yeah, that's all unilateral,

that's all unilateral. that's what i say. that there's nothing. there's nothing in the, in that sort of plan that for the appeal to anyone, it's not in the suddenly, it makes no sense for russia to accept a as, as the spot in place. not a rustle. i'm not gained anything very much. ukraine was certainly not accept anything like that. so, but that's, that's the trump plan, the only the full full aspect of all of those a year, which i think is, and there is a different tone coming from the trumpet ministration, as opposed to the binding. the most are the only hope is they really don't want this will. they really don't like this war. they think this is a, a terrible thing for america. they want to focus on other things, and they are all speaking and very different ways from the way, the, by them ministration spoken the way nato squared, which is why we got to keep it going and you know that you know nothing without and nothing, nothing about your brain without your brain, as long as it takes and whatever. that's coming out of the window. whether that materializes, anything to any serious uh, you know, uh,

negotiate the changes. i know. oh, yeah. but you know mart integrated the phrase came to me when, when, when i was thinking about doing this program, play stupid games and you get stupid prizes. and this is what we've gotten mark. yes. um, i mean this, unfortunately, i think it's certainly situation that the binding, the ministration was the one most involved in the stupid game making. and unfortunately at least one from what we know of of his priorities. donald trump is the one who is bit one of the big stupid prize here. i mean he's, he's the one who has to take the big l or continue on with the bite ministration plan. however, i would say usually i am the cynic and the pessimist. oh no, no judge you and george are very, yeah, petty. okay. i'll of such things, particularly with donald trump, and i would say yes, quite obviously,

his administration has no plan or if they had a plan, it's already been thrown out the window because the russians have made clear in numerous public statements, including repeatedly from putting themselves what they are not interested in right . one thing is they're not interested in ceasefire. what whatsoever, there will be no ceasefire. we play that game before. it was mens $1.00 and $2.00 were not giving the key every same time to re arm retrain and and, and give them a breather. no, we're waiting. now we're going to continue until there's a final settlement. also, the whole idea of you peacekeepers on the ground, not operating. i mean, you, you, you couldn't put that in there in the middle of the war. you're not going to, you're not going to win that way afterwards. right. they're still nato troops, right. whatever have they are wearing, however, i would say i've seen one positive, even optimistic, maybe data points. and that is general kellogg mentioning as you briefly alluded to, the idea that there should be elections in ukraine. right?

because uh, currently zelinski, even according to the quote on elections as they have happened in ukraine since 2014, despite more than 20 p o, essentially a non my don party is have been banned in the country, right? all parties representing east, you gray, know all the left as parties in the country. so i don't consider any elections in ukraine legitimate. but that being said, boston has made clear that zalinski has passed his presidential expiration date. he's only continuing under presidential powers due to repeated declarations of, of, uh, emergency connected with the conflict. and so therefore that he is not a leader. he can't legally sign anything. right. he, even if they agreed right at a to sit down and talk and agreed to a deal that russia could never rely on. it can ever be settled because of future ukrainian ministration could always say he didn't have the power to sign that right

. it, it has no legal validity, and it seems the americans are taking this seriously for the 1st time because they have never mentioned the elections in ukraine before. and now suddenly they are after put and brought it up again in the last week. so, so they're not talking to each other on the phone, but they're talking mega phone diplomacy, social media, public statements, back and forth. and at least there's a sign that the trump administration is suddenly listening and taking seriously with the russian government is saying, even if there's no hope of of final settlement right there listening. and that hasn't happened in the last 3 years. so george, what is this is a gamut of, uh, is this a, a new narrative to, to say, well, the, you create, the ukrainian people have decided it was their decision. yeah, i don't quite see the significance of it because really,

ukraine isn't calling the shots here. ukraine, whoever is in charge is essentially a wholly owned dependency of nato, and that means all of the united states. so as the united states, that will decide whether this will comes to an end or that we continue with this was so the issue of whether that is the lensky is empowering to you or somebody else. some of the, some, you know, new a new face. thanks so much, i don't think it makes any difference. the only thing that matches is whether the united states wants to go on funding. there's an ultimately that's, that's always going to be the case because remember, everybody who is expected trump to come to the, the, whatever the negotiated things, able to come to office and say, you know what, we're sick of ukraine. we're cutting off a t. that's what i'm going to do it anymore. this isn't the end, so it doesn't. so our interest, if so, trunk has not said that. i mean, at the mazda alluded to that, that we don't have trends that you sent out in which you seem to blame. yeah,

well gosh, for the continuation of which was also different from what he had said before. i'm which people had to assume he believed, which is that it's, it's ukraine, but it's keeping the world going and it's the american. so supporting your brain even go now, if the truck but to say that we need to cover of the appraisal that, that will make the difference, make the difference right gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard group will continue our discussion on some real new stay with our to the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions

fixtures designed to simplify. it will confuse really once a better wills, and is it just as it shows you fractured images, present it is, but can you see through their illusion going underground? can the welcome back to the prospect bullhorn is where all things are considered on peter lavelle. george, we've heard of coming out of the trump uh, in ministration on 2 different occasions. the 1st time was it was more off the cuff and we didn't see any video was trump on air force one. and he was basically saying that, um, um, the situation in uh in because it has to be cleaned up our words that effect here. and basically talking about the, populating

a garza and i guess presumably one would say the west bank. but the wasn't mentioned directly. but the word what the word wasn't used in american media, but everywhere else it's a ethnic cleansing. he double down, tripled down. quadrupled down in and in a different uh, as a subsequent occasion here. um, do we take this seriously? because as i said in my introduction, trump probably doesn't want to be called genocide done. is this going to, let's move these people. and of course the radical right in israel is welcome this . i mean, they're singing to the had been this is exactly what they wanted for a very long time. now they have an american president m. um, stating it publicly. what are your thoughts? just i thought it was very strange to be honest, be there because um, the other he was stopped at of uh, is administration with steve wick off his emissary. uh,

going to um israel and sending them hi. you've got to get with the program. you've got to agree to this, so hostage of prison the deal uh immediately you know, some sabbath, no sabbath, you know we, we get it done now. um and with golf himself, he was in gaza, which is is that the quite quite the thing for, for an american official actually to visit guys and he said this is quite shocking . what i've seen. there's nothing less this. i mean, this is best would be complete to destroy it. i mean, this is going to take 15 years to rebid. oh. so you know, this was a, a different tone. and then, and then trump was a talking in this way. and as you said, you know, double down triple down, one group off, which itself is surprising because trump, himself has never really been illogically, particularly committed to is what he did. they've been during his 1st of them because he needed the money. you need the this, the donors cfo from the design is little bit up until then you have the,

the said nothing particularly noteworthy about is what i mean didn't 20152016. when he arrived, he promised and even hand the approach to the middle east is. so i'm going to come up with a great deal um between the israel and the palestinians. so now it's come up with this. egypt and jordan have both absolutely rolled it out. now, he can then say, yeah, but we can, we, you know, we have leverage over there and, you know, basically, you know, the dependencies allows, we can, you know, really, uh, press them. if it goes down, i thought it really does threaten egypt. hey, we're going to withhold the, you know, the annual full $1000000000.00, the pension to you, unless you play ball with us. easy. those go down that far. i think that's kind of the end of his any kind of them, at least the agend that he's going to lose saudi arabia is going to lose all the gal stage. now i'm going to have anything to do with him. then i'm going to go along with he is, um, um, you know, he's, uh, he is of the abraham of quotes or anything else. so, you know,

if that's what he wants to do, if he wants to just align himself, but you know, with, with uh, with israel become, is this a general so i dont then that's it, but that's, that's the end of his release agenda. probably also the end of his administration, i think it's going to be like it'll fade out as a, as dismally as the bite. no demonstration fee to what do you think mart is this? again, you know, you never can tell with trump because he does. his diplomacy is his banter to the public. it's the word microphone has already been mentioned here. is this an opening gambit? isn't it a um, a sugar ring, a deal with is real. you know, it's hard to say what he really thinks about this because we all know he's not, you know, particularly well versed in these issues. mark. yeah, i think maybe we're talking about different trump administrations because my recollection of the 1st trump administration is that there has never been

a u. s. presidential administration or in bed with an in line with israel. uh then you know, previously, i mean that, that is the culmination. uh and we, i was absolutely certain when we heard about it and yahoo suddenly accepting a ceasefire proposal that he had rejected out of hand from the biden administration a year earlier and doing it without much public complaint and carrying, throw on it that there had to be carrots involved as well as fix. and now we can see clearly what uh the car. it is is that trump would get fully behind the ethnic cleansing of the palestinians out of palestine. right, which it must be said has been the policy of every is really and every us president, for decades since 1960 right. that has been the quiet not said policy. it's just

been occurring one settlement, one house bows at a time. right. that is the settling process, the colonization of palestine by what are essentially, you know, us and european jewish or to immigrants you know, to well, palestine uh, you know, in, in, on behalf of israel. um, so for the greater israel project, um, so now it's the quiet part is being said out loud. obviously the time table is vastly accelerated. everything is now considered different. the bind administration already approached this, blinking went to egypt and jordan and tried to get them to open the borders. everyone who was paying attention know what that was about. they did it say we want to move all the palestinians outright. they're talking about refugees though with the conflict and everything, but that was obviously egypt enjoy ever. but the what,

but isn't the best really the selling point, george? i mean is cool. is this may sound, is it? well, no more bombing, you know, no more demolition. i mean, we just have to move these people out. i mean, we don't want to be like the bite administration we don't want. i mean, it, it's, it's a cold, a deflection way they would, they don't want to go, you know, we, we don't support, you know, what was happening for 15 months. they are, we have a better solution and with it, yeah, our own boy went there. nobody can live here. i mean is this what the, how they're trying to sell this? and again, it's already been a little bit to this would include the west bank as well. not just because at george. well, let maybe the idea behind is, but it's a, it's an insane the idea of if it's called work, i mean age ever um, so 40 years ever since the, uh, the signing of the uh, the camp that was almost 50 years now ever since the signing of the camp david accords has point blank,

refused to cooperate with any of the plans in campaign um within our spine. jordan has refused to cooperate with that. i mean, well this will be absolutely insane for any leader of egypt, any leader of jordan, to go along with what would be millions of people being displayed. i mean, there's low, there's low rate for them. there's no money to how's the bit, but as your level, you're just creating terrorism, you would destroy the egyptian stadium of destroying jordan. well george, these are vassal states of the united states. they can have regina change. i'm sorry, i'm just cynical is cynical, was both of you. well, if these 2 lead leaders are a barrier, then we should replace them towards how it go. try. i mean that best books will they go try? but again, if you don't do that, you're going to create an absolute uh, tell them, well, in the neighborhood. so what you're going to do it game of phone for home, big, big country. i mean, you turn turmoil for home, mark. yeah, good turn to is real,

very true for everyone. right for, for egypt, for israel and for the united states. because if you remove stacy who is a quote unquote elected military dictate or he came to power over throwing a popularly elected is law, missed government, right? very close to home us, right? and i'll cc the current. uh, egypt and government. they don't like come us right there. they're against the muslim brotherhood. they consider home of the palestinian muslim brotherhood. but they, as you said, they don't want 4 or 5000000 more palestinian refugees. egypt is, has such a uh, you know, young focused demographic, so much unemployment so much poverty. they exist off of subsidies. i'm economically from saudi arabia and the entire egypt sin military is. this is one of the biggest recipients of u. s. military aid. but they, they just can't do it. they can't absorb these refugees. they know they can't.

right. and they don't want to be the ones culpable for the genocide. uh, you know, the uh, inactive genocide, the ethnic cleansing of the palestinian people out of palestine. no matter how much pressure um trump puts on egypt, i simply can't see it happening. or the iranians have trolling tongue in cheek suggested in an alternative solution that instead, right to bring as, as donald trump finally have some piece in the region, right? we could simply move the israelis from israel and we could re settled them in donald trump's newly conquered greenwood. i interestingly enough, neither the israelis nor the people of greenland seemed overly induced by that idea . but maybe that will port in the context for americans who are, you know, die hard, israel,

1st supporters for whatever reason. i really can't find them other than christian zionism that you know what it would mean to move all of the palestinian people out of palestine simply to make what jared questionnaire said. you know, a beach front property available for investment. well, i mean, but the poverty of this whole situation gentlemen, i'm going to george now, is that, that the active genocide is re ignited after a certain interval. we know that the so called cease fire is going to collapse in nano seconds after the last hostage leaves a mouse or gaza captivity. we know that. okay, so maybe this is just an interlude until then it's possible. but this is why i was talking about the trumps peculiarity is the trump has low and this is the logical commitment. i mean, mark is right. he what he pursued during his 1st i'm went far beyond any of the

things that any previous administration had done in catering to israel swims, but he did it in order to get money in order to generate a revenue for his re election campaign. now he can just come and come and look at it in a different way. if he goes down this boss of essentially signing off on the eighty's, really gen assignments wipe, also bill do. i think that it will be able destroy his administration. he will be there, we're going to get over to revile in the united states and he will be seen as having facilitated and presided over this horrific of genocide fall worse than anything we've seen since 1948 is that what he wants? is that what he wants to be? yeah, them is like ministration. i doubted it's very interesting. we have already in the very short time, he's been in office. he is, makes constant references to real estate. we saw that on and i'll get ration day. now we say to very, very interesting them are the moral issue here doesn't ever seem to arise to the,

to the for gentlemen fascinating discussion. so little time. so it might so many interesting things is i want to thank my guess in budapest and here in moscow. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here to r t z and next time. remember the prospect, bruce, the the,

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