[000:00:00;00] the, the just the bowl of worms alone, musk slums, the under pressure. it us agency for international development institution known for pushing american style democracy through financial incentives on the road. a lot of years, the landscape claims he has no idea where most of the money sent by the by the government for ukraine has gone back to the suspension of for an 8 by the trump white house. officials very nervous the south african firmly dismissed. as donald trump's threats the cut off funding to pretoria, well defending its controversial new land expropriation,

the premier, catching the news hour from today across the world. welcome to our, to introduction the head to head between team trump 2.2 and the nation's bureaucracy is reaching new heights. chief of the newly established department of government efficiency alone must say as the us agency of international development must be shut down. because it's impossible to fix and your said the is a ball of wants me right. there is no apples. and there is no apple this, this you've just got to basically get rid of the whole thing while spar for the us . a id, once one of washington's most feared foreign policy tools. and now pardon me in need of age itself. why? because it's found itself in the process of both the u. s. president honest, we just had the world's richest mind. the trauma really has been building ever since trump took off that committee for hundreds of its employees,

helping find its ability to defend funds has been frozen for 90 days. uh, its website was put offline, its twitch a page went dark and all apparently most wants to bury it. so he's really taking his, his new job seriously. the final school seems to have been to him when 2 members of his cost cutting team tried to gain access to a part of the agencies headquarters in d. c. but they were actually denied entry apparently because of lack of security clearance as a result to top officials about she's been put on leave. and now we've got all these room is a corruption, even criminality swelling. and the agency really doesn't do anything to the bunk scenes accusations with behavior like this there we're going to support humanitarian efforts and in ukraine. so i wanted to know exactly how those dollars were being spent. we got all kinds of threats from

usa id because i was trying to exercise my oversight capacity in congress. so it's quite the food from grace, full usa id, which of course has been long a daunting of the american witness. quitting it much really is not missing words when he does his discussing. um, usa id, you've talked in broad terms about criminality and corruption. do you have any specifics? well, the one who's talking a detailed provide to the notice you've been watching on teeth the last couple of years as relates to us, a i d 's involvement in and i'm going to be very generous hair global health initiatives. did you know that us aid using your tax dollars funded by a weapon research, including cobit 19 that killed millions of people? well, this is significant why it's significant because often tool now from the us it has been denied deny to not most famously inventory and un denied at the pentagon that and it denied defend yes. okay. we do split system robson,

ukraine and africa for example. personal for the good of mankind were developing vaccines with ensuring that there's no outbreak of infectious diseases. whereas most was point to something much more sinister. he said, but that research was about creating weapons, overall of mass destruction. this is something the most go has been warning about for years now, and in fact, it's full. but one of the main reasons that one of russia's top generals was assassinated at the end of last year was precisely because he was at the forefront of exposing this us government sponsored abuse of dangerous passages. which if nice could re total, how the con, the welsh. yeah. can you give us some more background here to usa idea? it's an agency agency that really is no stranger to controversy. no, i mean it is a for an age, but he must, it's functions and over a $150.00 countries it's got a bunch of nitty $50000000000.00. basically it hands out money. so it dissolves to

release of fighting poverty. but also, and this is where it gets controversial, it channels funds into civil activism. now it claims, of course there's a lot about promoting democracy. it's a empowering the people. but the issue is, who incidentally, us a id choose is to empower people in nations. what government policies don't align with american and trust and co, incidentally, way us passed slows. zachary often must protest and sometimes even cruise take place. now the most obvious example of this, it's ukraine, usa idea had been active. that's the over 2 decades. and it's what really culminated in the 2014 my done crew. this was admitted by r s. k junior, the nephew of the very man who actually found to be agency j f. k. us a id which is the front point $5000000000.00 in the funding. those riots,

those riots lead to the a to a could a talk against the 1st elect, the democratically elected of the ukraine a month before that comment and so on. victoria new and was, you know, the part of the center piece of the in the economy audiology and who is now a high level official. and the state department has a secret call with the us and passenger, which is tape record and is now public, which anybody can go and look up where she is picking the new cabinets, the u. k. ukraine. it really is just the tip of the iceberg. a host of global he does have accused usa idea of really pushing for that. a doubtful. i mean, just to highlight reel by the rest of the 2020 mass protest sponsoring of position groups incentives. way not. it was actually picks out of bolivia by ex president morales off the he on called the they have been funding set protest groups and some

of the nations which just regions lots of listing. but let's not forget, it was also impact stone and syria. and i'm actually when the agencies burying a torres had some of the powers, visited budapest, hungary. this of course is a europe in nation which does not tow the line. we know one issues like the l g, b, t, or ukraine put to just to erupt of saying. 2 color red produce an incoming last but not least, we had georgia, the american tax payers money cannot be used to organize a revolution in georgia. do you remember the canvas training when representatives of the cultural spear were trained to organize a revolution in georgia? us a id, money was used specifically for this. the trump administration stated that american funding, american tax payer money was being used to destabilize the situation in other countries. and to create revolutionary scenarios, we can save time on again, why usa i take pops up very close behind,

very often as instability and often violence. becky, of course the question, i won't point this, coincidence become a pattern. at what point does a pattern become a strategy? yeah, so you mentioned the strategy strategy requires money. what, what are the numbers we're talking about here? let's put it this way. what i'm not, i'm but you've got your head double it put triplet times it by 10 us a id is one of washington's most well funded offices. usaid by the ways of $50000000000.00 budget. the entirety of the intelligence community is only 72000000000. so it is as more than the c i a and more than the state department. wow. and 8 is basically as usaid is effectively a switch player to, to assist the pentagon with, with it on the national security front to assist the state department on the national interest front. or to assist the intelligence community on a, on a sort of clandestine operations. now people might accuse me of cynicism,

they say no to say i do, it's just charitable, but we also need to be realistic. the world of great power point a 6 is not one of self. smith's, it is a game of the new frame of looking for weak spot. so investing and then guaranteeing a return on your investment us a id, the norm as budget is a reflection, supposed to be the greatest reflection of the senate for role that it has played in manifesting some of the white houses, greatest dreams of shaping the world as best suits washington's interest. it isn't all that starts in the office and spreads going around the world. so you chop off the on the power point for office diminishes. that is why this is such a big story and that is why walks and regime change and sees yes in dc up in ok. well that's welcome live onto the program. the emmy award winning investigative journalist, been swollen for his view on development. spend good to see you. thanks for your

time. and you must come from the usa idea. criminal organization is not just from bostic language being used, or is there something really substantial behind those big claims? i think there's something very substantial behind those by the reporter who is just talking about usa. i these very trouble and sketchy history, i think, hit the nail on the head. but this is an organization that has operated in the shadows when it's supposed to be an organization that's off. you have full transparency and so like we know that it's not. and for years, if not decades, there are been american journalists and american citizens who have struggled to get answers as to what us the id really does. what is its mission around the world? why does it have such a massive budget and why is there no accountability for what it does around the world? and we heard as soon as you're joining us there who was specifically talking about this issue and said we want when she has tried in her congressional oversight

authority to get an answer from us or the she was threatened by the organization. how dare you ask us questions congresswoman out there you ask questions of this organization. we should do whatever we want sen, that, that's the response. and so i think this is incredibly important. it also goes to show that when trump got back into power, this next time, right, his, his initial presidency was not remarkable. the way, the 1st 2 weeks of this presidency had been and i believe continued to be because when he has done and continues to do is he is re shaping american foreign policy and, and organizations that have operated with impunity for far too long. well, let's just talk on that because you've asked the id has repeatedly been accused of funding. as you say, anti government movements across the world. can we say the direction of travel as regards foreign policy actually is changing? is this it size big moment, ivy?

optimist. a ton this last and so i think it is a seismic moment and the reason this is so significant is simply this. well, there are many, many politicians who would run for office and promise to make sweeping changes when you begin to got the funding apparatus for how not just the last administration. but decades of american administrations have operated what trump is said over and over is that there is a deep stated terminology that cash patel when he was in his confirmation hearings was accused of using. and so many people to washington despite the business term, the states with trump is that for a long time, there is this deep state that's operating the community and it outlasts every president and it outlasts every administration. it is actually the one that's running for policy, running domestic policy in this country. when trump is set up for a long time ago, many people could make the claim that well, it's all talk. you say you're going to make changes. but what are you really changing? she is getting the financial aspect. he's getting the, the,

the funding apparatus for these organizations. and this is one, washington is actually losing their minds. it's one thing to say we're going to do, we're going to have oversight. we're going to check on what they're doing. we're going to be classified documents when you begin to fire people who work in those organizations. when hundreds of us are the workers are now out of the job. and as of today, the secretary of state local rubio has said, well, i am now in charge of us an idea of what remains of it. if anything will ultimately remain a bit. we'll wait and see it may not exist at all as an organization within a couple of months. but even if a little bit of it does remain the fact that it's being brought under the us secretary of state and it's no longer being used by these other organizations, i think it's, it's a monumental moment. so you think it's basically gone, because we've got democratic lawmakers coming out in defense of us a id, and you've got, as you say, the, the bureaucracy that's about the long lasting red tip that goes back many decades in washington. they don't want to see their,

their jobs go. i understand your point of it's remit. it's no longer at the state department, but there's, there's going to be bike back, isn't there, there's going to be a fight because there's so much, there's so much money. it's the akira and so many jobs people want to save their livelihood. well, and it's, and it's not just the people who works there. yeah, it's money for them. the real money isn't all be getting goes around the world that have been re shaping the world in the image of, of what you know us foreign policy has desired there in the real losers and all of it because they are the organizations that have been able to siphon off hundreds of billions of dollars over decades in order to operate these crews in different countries around the world and ukraine, georgia and on the list goes on and off. and so what we know is happening is that these egos will probably be the ones i would suspect who would put up the biggest fight belt again, trying to fund the politicians as much as they can to, to get push back. here's the problem with all is, again, what trump has done in such

a stealthy way so far. and these 1st 2 weeks is he is also at the same moment that he's making those moves. he is removing from positions of power. so many people in washington dc in the last couple of days alone. we have seen former generals, former national security advisers, uh, former members of the c i a and the and i say not only having their, their classification status removed from them. but also having the, the right to even inter federal buildings taken from it is such a remarkable thing that's taking place in terms of he's not just removing the organizations, he's taking people who are known actors within those organizations who have undue influence in washington, who have oversized influence in the political sphere and in the corporate senior, and he is basically rendering them completely useless to their usual position. so

there's so much happening right now, but it's, it's, we're watching the trump play chest for everyone else is playing checkers. that's what's happening right now, so be, don't even see the move he's making. he's making a 5 or 6 moves ahead of everyone else. and again, i can't stress this enough. sure to remove a funding oper. raddatz is such a huge departure from anything that's been said in the past. the bottom line is we're talking about $50000000000.00 with a be $50000000000.00 a year that will no longer be going out into the world. you have in the hands of injuries. it's to re cabbage, pretty power. it will, let's just delve into one of those big recipients for a moment, ukraine, because a lot of years lensky says he doesn't know where around a $100000000000.00 of us money at went. where did it go? i'm sure. american taxpayers would like to know. yes, that's kind of fascinating, isn't it? it's also kind of funny that we have been in this process of this. you create more

now almost 3 years. and all this time zalinski hasn't questioned where the money is . because he knows that the united states has dedicated almost $300000000.00 to him . there's almost $300000000000.00 us taxpayer dollars that have been dedicated to your cause and only now in the last week. did you come out and say, no, i just realized something. we didn't get the money. where did it go? how comes it wednesday? hasn't said anything until this moment, but he doesn't know where the money is. because the truth is, he knows exactly what you crate has been trying to jam to money laundering scheme. and those are the laws as reporters who have covered it for the last 3 years, who have actually told the truth about what's happening. you brain have been trying to tell the world that this is what's going on. it's a huge money laundering scheme that the weapons aren't going to ukraine. they're going all over the world, including it, to middle eastern, an african countries, the stabilize governments. there. we know the money is not going there, it's going to defense contractors is going to companies like black rock that are now going to rebuild ukraine in their own image. that's what's really happening

right now. so the fact that zalinski suddenly had this, this clarity moment where he says, we bring in the accountants. let's figure out why don't we have any money when we go to so little of our money. where is it really? i think that alone is reason enough for trump to say the word must immediately em. and normally, any money that's been committed to you, not only are we going to cut it, all right, we're going to start bringing back weapons and military equipment that's been sent to cancelling no contracts. you don't even know where this money is. it's okay, absolutely ludicrous. then can i just throw in a coffee at to this particular story because donald trump has reportedly pointed out ukraine's rare earth minerals a, something he's interested in obtaining in exchange at for a, it's going to be interesting. so your best plays out how ukraine's natural resources, how they play their part in the fact the american aid has gone to ukraine. so much of it for,

for 3 years now. i think it does. i think rare minerals that's, that's the new oil. it's, it's the new natural resource that every country is buying for. but i mean, and is, is the angle import. and we know the us as an enormous interest and that because the us is lagging far beyond other behind other countries, including behind china, not only in in the having river minerals, but being able to extract the i we're way behind. and that is to us interesting greenland is because of the river minerals that are in the ground there. i have an enormous supply improvements, wind from one simple. ultimately it's going to take greenland at some point. i believe we, we know that that's why bolivia was so focused on by us a id by the way, because of rivers middle uh, in the ground there. and so it makes sense that there would be an interest. you have to remember that it isn't just but the law must, is an advisor to the president on issues of those and government spending. the loan

is a tech advantage and a type futurist. he is interested in advancing and the future of tech people and peter deal are interested in advancing the future of tech. and in order to do that, especially when we're talking about a i rare materials are incredibly important. so there's no doubt in my mind that trump is getting a lot of interest in and, and pressure from kind of the tech futures around him. you're saying this is a country that has minerals. we need places like dreamland, places like ukraine. that's where he is going to be interested, but not because of his own interest because of their interest, i believe, right for a while as something to close. the follow isn't at been sites to so much as always for your, for your time, your thoughts on this fund or the truth in media independent media organization, benz one. good to see. thank to, well, let's take a look now. are some of the impact us a i d has had world wide or serve and reporter of a cruise mission, investigative journalism. so i do go secure,

shared his views of what the agency did in venice with the nice agent of a was also part of the squandering and part of the one build up the imperative that the shadow government, a lot of the coordinates of beneficiaries were actually part of the leadership of the, of the shadow government to think of the for the north is one way to go lead him being tardy and so on. but mind you just go even beyond this is part because you actually created all these economic infrastructure around the humanitarian crisis. they, they themselves, where they're wanting to get promoted to eh, and also be creating a whole lot of a check point for nomic check points on how to drift out of the migration migrating situation. i mean, these people also, for example, have many from salt and c and off as a managed privacy to get better for them. citizens,

there are some sort of migrant regulation of use and that you had gotten into your some sort of decent, green card or whatever. so it was basically a corruption of trumps, a comp time to is stretching all over the globe including sort of africa as well. fortunately, 10 has page that quote, cut off all future funding for pretoria over a lumber for law that allows the confiscation of white farmers land sometimes without compensation. so i thought for it as president of defended the new act, saying it aligns but the country is constitutional. democracy, but the u. s. president isn't convinced to south africa is confiscating land and treating certain classes of people very badly. it is a bad situation that the radical left media doesn't want to so much as mention a massive human rights violation at a minimum is happening for all to see. the united states won't stand for it. we will act also, i will be cutting off all future funding to south africa until

a full investigation of the situation has been completed. one would hope that the present time for would try to understand the facts and the realities of the situation in south africa. ross is and repeating, disturbing, racially device of talking points like it is right now, but have listened to that's responsible to present on a post. in south africa is a constitutional democracy that is deeply rooted in the rule of law, justice and equality. the south african government has not confiscated any land. the recently adopted expropriation act is not a confiscation instrument, but the constitutionally mandated legal process that ensures public access to land in an equitable and just manner as guided by the constitution. south africa like the united states of america and other countries has always had expropriation laws that balance the need for public usage of land and the protection of rights of property owners. we look forward to engaging with the trump administration over our

land reform policy and issues of bilateral interest. we are certain that out of those engagements, we will share a better and common understanding over these matters. so who's off this 112 se, go way back into so that because colonial cost, when a small white to minority house power, one crucial way the wife government preserved that power was through a native land act, which was a lot of the band black people from acquiring agricultural land beyond issue, result of the effects of that and the laws can still be solved even to this day. office of africa became a majority, black and government tonight and until one can help. but notice the response from president on my posts of his time being a beat, a rather put muted to compare to how it was between 18 when president trump 1st made such an accurate comments. this is the fee is so

much of that. i don't know what the to the toner has really changed from that to end. in this recent response that i'm a pull, us has also carry 5, that's american aid is a minor parts off the countries financial landscape. we do know that that africa is a major beneficiary off. you is funding under the emergency plan for a relief and that funding was a really and the street of the donald trump's freeze on foreign aid across the country rather across the world. but other than that, the president's office says there is no other significant funding that is provided

by the united states in south africa. and i guess the funding part to offer to really promote a reaction from the leaders in the country as well as the may have to us. the tech is that they don't give us money the minutes. but it is a data allow me to say, why withdrawing funding? no, we're minute as in the continent and there was something that we have one more tests back us. and this all coming less than 2 weeks off to present the posts assigned to the new rule, making it easier for the state to expropriate, land subject, of course, to see a compensation paid for the program or rather the government also that forgot is pushing a new plans to extend the rates of the redistribution of land. the plan has of course important issue of critics who, who have condemned it as a policy rooted in hostility towards why 5 minutes is not true. and right now the

amc really pushing at and try to make it easy for the state to, to take a land in an effort to address racially an equal that own this impact as dating back to populate. and the spy. so creep responses from the leaders in the country, the treat has already made some sort of an impact. the countries competency open the day, quite high off to those remarks from present time, which means that it has a several investors already. we bought land reform in the south african country just something more on this. we spoke with facebook person for south africa's foreign minister crispin piri, he, i rightly rejects trump's analysis of how the countries along legislature law works to come out to clarify this, to say that as for patient that does not a lab seizure go, but it's an x that is designed to ensure that expropriation happens within the fire, so the so that you can cause to choose unfortunately,

it does seem as though this was information has really sprayed and to some extent has informed what president trump spoke about the slides up. so if you have a high tech or a building that has been hijacked by criminals invested top off before and would know that this building has become a crime. shortly would be in the public interest for why the states to do something about that building. and in the event that we find that such a building has been up ended by its own, the state would be entitled to take possession of the property so that it doesn't become a public nuisance. and being seen, for example, incidents where the land restitution pays goes into the tune of a video to read. and in such a instance way we would be required to ensure that, that africans who i right the, the oldness of assessment have the language to, to, to, to that it would be just about the file for the government. they have to pay

a market related price. so such a that it would be more equitable to ensure that if required to pay a compensation. and it is just an equitable based on what the public requires. and such an inquiry would have to go through a due process. and that is what is perhaps most most i'm a students here even in the event where it is determined that land can be exposed, created avenue compensation. it cannot be done without a due process be put in place. president tom said that this is subject to an investigation that he's a team will be to wait. and we think that's a really a good opportunity to start the basis of engagement. this will enable, this is a time suffices to be added instead this last week in the national position. once of that week gives us solving fall through these programs and the stages nation. and then say, continue to enable us to be removed from

a joint understanding of how we address our internal issues. now you may have noticed, but every time a question is raised in washington about us biological more for activities in asia and africa. the star responses one of ridicule for an independent journalist continued a say to a mazda, evidence of such covert actions. next, one of those very reporter shares for findings with us here at our, the in 1960 the americans rollers, the huge bell where the operation documents much the of the reading found that way online. the us army chemical,