for example, and there is a whole litany, a whole list of these kinds of activities which are have very questionable spending purposes. that part of the part of the effort of it is not only the downsize but to but to try and eliminate spending, where they're there that is unnecessary. and some of these activities, given that the agencies attitude is well, we're independent. we don't, we don't have to report to anybody at kind of kind of thing. is this something that they're going to clamp down on? i'm the, the links now that are becoming clearer between the c, i a and us a i. d. how do we have we seen all of it, or do you think we've scratched the surface? some? what do you think you've scratched the surface and it's very embedded. it's very deep. it's a total network that they've had years to develop usa id has been around for years and years and, and overtime. and this is, this is why c, i a, has used us id because of their access to the local local

levels and in, in various countries and remote countries. and this is how they can sway them and, and actually caused them to turn, turn against their own governments if they see fit. it's a, it's a, it's very serious. it's a, takes a lot of work, especially if you're in the clandestine business. and, and i think that the, uh, you know, over time it's, it's, it has showing it has showing the it's, it's a dirty work, for example, in ukraine. that was very, very, a very, very much evident michael. just before we let you go, is there a sense that protests like you've been covering there today? will we be seeing more of them as the, as the plump done by the new trump team gets into the or do you think? oh yeah, i think it's going to increase that, but there was one yesterday in front of the treasury department and i have every expectation that it will increase simply because um uh they,

they are now trying to uh make, have a confrontation. and basically they've declared the, the legislate tours of the democrats particularly have declared war on, on trump, and the republican party. so i think you're going to see it increased court action and legislative action in the days and weeks and months to come live there really? absolutely. yeah. touch right. you're really absolutely country against you on most get. this is really irritated. there's questions, questions as to his authority, and this is something. yep. and whether us law has actually been broken. sure. yeah . big questions and date for pentagon senior security policy on the slide from near the capital building in washington, dc. michael miller. michael, thanks very much. is always a pleasure. thank you. well, the new us secretary of state, marco rubio has admitted america's unique polar moment has passed. so how will that

affect the super powers foreign policy moving forward across pop debates by that, the, the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross top floor. all things are considered, i'm peter level, better late than never trump secretary of state,

marco rubio admits america's unipolar moment. his past viewers of this program understood this long ago. how well this emission make comes for them policy different. will diplomacy make a comeback, the cross fucking problems, foreign policy? i'm joined by my guess. daniel is our in new york. he's a journalist, an author of 3 books on the us constitution in nashville, we have ryan christian, he is founder and editor of the last american vagabond, as well as co founder of the independent media alliance. and in brisbane, we crossed to what we could poll. he's an advent professor at queensland university and technology and senior fellow at the ty, hey, institute, or a gentleman, cross talk roles that effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate a daniel, um, so much to talk about here. i was leading, obviously, in my introduction, i'm going to quote marco rubio right now. it's not normal for the world to have

a unit polar power. remarkable coming from like a secretary of state. and then on the heels of this, we have the or which seems to be the imminent destruction of the u. s. a. i d at least, and it's current or is former incarnation. we don't know where it's going to go from here. the point is my friend so much is happening. i think they're related uh take it from here. daniel. yeah, that's, i mean, i think what we're seeing is a global crash of, of neo liberalism. and it reminds me of the crash of communism in 1989 to 91. i think the world is going to a major phase change. uh the uh the, the rules of the last 35 years or so. i have found the park and we're enter entering into a new era. and that era is based on multi polarity, intense international competition. uh, the, uh, the destruction of old alliances,

like, you know, nato is going to way of the warsaw pact. um, so uh its uh, really a dramatic change that were uh, the water is passing through. ryan, is this all a good thing? go ahead. so i'd like to start with pointing out that i think in general the destruction of us id is obviously a positive thing. if ultimately that is what happens to it. because i think it's one of the things that is being debated, which is frustrating for a lot of us that have followed along with what has been doing is that there's some ultimate positive net positive outcome to what it does. i disagree with that. i think it's a regime change engine with some things that are done positive around it, ultimately as a cover i would argue, but i think what i'm worried about here is that the process i think is important. and i think the way this is going is indicating to me that this is more about framing it as a positive change in order to role in what i worries that is a worse outcome. and, but like we were kind of saying off air before i, it's a way and nonetheless, to see this begin to go that step. but i think what i'm seeing a lot across the trump administration right now is taking things that we've always

wanted to go away or, and framing it as a positive disruption, but really already rolling in something that i see is much worse. sort of like the digital end of this, the cdc direction, warmer, private end of that. but that's what i see happening here with mosque and the rest of this the way it's going or marco rubio taking control or merging of what the state department would or wouldn't already really was. it just seems more of a shell game to me, but i'm going to wait and see how it plays out. but i think if it was gonna be done right, it should have been done in a way that was more transparent and not fully focused on the left has been doing this the entire time. that's it. so that's just just on us. yeah, i, i agree with you because it's settling domestic political scores also very much so because this is uh, woodside shown is being the machinations of the democratic party. they've said this very openly, so you're absolutely right. but where we go, i kind of got drawing upon what daniel had to say. what is really interesting is that, you know, when the, with the end of the cold war, the end of the soviet union, the end of the warsaw pact, we had, you know, kind of a, i was gonna say ideological boy, but we actually had a,

a preponderance of neo liberalism around the world. i agree with daniel, 100 percent and we're not on the same frequency when it comes to many, many politics here. but it's, it's good to see that go, it's a low will be less of an ideological world. that's a plus, but is it going back to just great power, a rivalry which has its pluses and minuses to go ahead and brisbane. a little good school debate with you paid around, especially after the uh, the last time we try to disconnect it. so i agreeing to you and have the look. i think that um there's no doubt that the 35 year period of the liberalism needs coming to an end. and in fact, for most people they've been watching these things closely for a number of years. it ended a little while ago. it's just taking the united states leadership. i guess all the political legal sections of the political a light come to terms of that reality. but i think it also spends the end of like

500, the period of liberal wisdom liberal, quite a new dominance. so we've got 2 endings in a science. one is a short term ending, which is a 35 year period of a particularly intense type of western neoliberalism. but we're also seeing fundamental changes in the way that the global economic system in logan eyes. and as a result of that, the ways in which countries interact with each other. so it is a moments as period that we're living through. and um, you know, and that's kind of re bub arrived for quite some time because there's a whole bunch of vested interest. so you don't want to let go. and i'm, and i will fight to some the aisle of course to hang onto what they've had. and um, and the struggle in a sense is going to continue for a little while get before the da simple. yes, me there cuz no one likes to give up power in this, the new neo liberalism is a powerful if not toxic force, it will not give up easily as well. but daniel, i mean, you know, i mentioned great power politics. okay. for me they'll be a relief not to hear

a secretary of state or we're only doing this for democracy around the world and i think we're all tired of all of that. okay. um. but then on the other side of the ledger is a drum says he's going to take a greenland in panama. okay. i mean, not for democratic reasons, either for disappear, national se, now national interest here. i mean, that's the flip side of it, isn't it daniel? a yeah, i mean the, the us, you know, polarity is not unprecedented. we saw a british u unit polarity for 99 year period from the 1815 to 1914. then that collapsed. and we all know what happened next. a trump is. ready is, is, you know, these, he's like, he sees himself as a copper and he's picking fights with the, with minor parties that he certainly can win. i mean, it's no big deal for the us to steam roll over canada, or mexico or,

or panama or denmark for that matter. but the point is that the, the old pieces for when you're parked in a very dramatic fashion and no one knows how it. ready shape shape shake out. so no one knows what rock china is, reaction will be no one quite knows what rushes reaction. well, you know, ryan, it, they, they, they, one of the, the, the outcomes of all of this is that the alliance system that we've been in place. it's been in place since the 2nd world war will start to unravel. i think certainly it's already been mentioned that nato may find its fate, is that it doesn't view, it doesn't need nato the way it did before because it's not an ideological conflict according to it least. so someone like mark a rubio, go ahead, right? yeah, i mean, i think it's worth considering this, there's might be more global collaboration on, on certain directions that we see then then the not even

a lot of these different things like i, i definitely agree with what, what, what both of the panels are saying in the context of what seems to be changing, but again, i would like to argue that i really worry about how that is. you know, whether it's the change is that even a positive change when you're really just seeing 2 different establishment powers a fight over who controls our lives. you know that that's what i kinda see happening. but i worry that there's more collaboration on the like during the like the cobra 19 era which is not really done. we saw a lot of global collaboration on things that really concerned a lot of people that were going the direction of more of a world power. and i worry that that might be in a ways what some of these are going in the direction of, even though it does seem to be more, you know, trump taking for his own interest or for the united states interest or the government. but if you look at it on a grander scale, like what we're looking at with canada, and i mean even the, even panama included or, or mexico, you're talking about something that's been discussed for a long time, north american union dynamic, you know, coming off the conversation of something like the european union, it's the same kind of idea. and i think this is going to

a very clearly away from the idea of freedom and liberty. and i think that was the problem. is that because we're seeing things go away that we argue are obviously bad. that is tricking a lot of americans into feeling like we're going in a positive direction toward freedom. when i see all of the directions, they're taking as dramatically the other direction, even if we're seeing positive things come down and again, we'll see what comes up underneath it. that's all i kind of see it right now, but i see these things as positive steps, but if they're simply rolling out like the fed goes away and it's simply a private stable coin, cvc, dynamic, and that's not a positive change. that's how i see it as yeah, but more work i think also the end of the word sovereignty is really important here . and you know, pursuing a sovereignty policy. the like trump appears to be doing that. it also encourages other countries to do exactly the same thing. i mean, i'd be getting to thinking in this is early days, but i wonder if you know, the, the, the ideas about international law in cooperation of the 2nd half of the 20th century is going to be forgotten. we're going to go right back to the 19th century,

go ahead. warwick and i filled out all the way back to the 19th century, but done, but of course, history channels on ron a little bit. i think one of the things that we are saying and is that, um, it is, is not necessarily a complete pretended right. politics. yeah. 5, a recognition by the united states that the, the foundations of its global hegemony and its global power, not along the way. and therefore, it's going to have to recalibrate its position, at least in the short term, whether that is a short term recalibration that leads to a long time system, a change, whether it's really an attempt to re group is another question altogether. the recognition, i think that the debacle, the new crime is tantamount to a strategic phase for the west nighttime and of course, united states. this is the predominant finance here and provide or weapons into the crime. the mess that is in the middle east of the monument, and of course, the,

the diminution of american privacy and asia as old driven, i think i very realist, trumpet ministration. here's one more way we work before we go to the break. let me just ask you a quick questionnaire and because you know, we bad need about the term had gemini, but you know, privacy is not the same thing. trumpeting. trump wants primacy. his, it, his administration is apparently not going to stripe or the gemini. there are 2 different things, but real quick before we go to the break or yeah, look, i think he's, he's looking to, um, it looks to you some, a struggling colloquialisms. he's going to matthew's territory. yeah. i'm like adult, the territory and um, and that's the 1st thing that he's going to do. and clearly he's doing that model. read of that is that in part it's, i test the recognition of the, of the faith, of, of the united states as a global head. your mom that you're out, these are. and that guys with the demise of the liberalism and the reassertion of american preponderance cybert's and okay, you're probably going to end up this part of the program on pondering some of the

discuss it in the 2nd half you gentlemen, i'm going to jump in. we're going to go to a short break, and after that your break, we'll continue our discussion on transform policy stay without doing the take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen for you? right?

should images presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground? can the welcome ex, across stock were all things are considered computer lavelle to mind you were discussing trumps new foreign policy? the ok, let's go back to daniel and new york and i'm talking to the title of this program is tax americana. and the reason why i put that there is because it seems that we are united. what we have said already in this program that there is going, there is a transition going on for impacts america to tax america. that trump has is amazing affinity for tear of taxes. he's doesn't push sanction so much. but i mean

that's still in the, in the, in the cards. it's kind of, i'm trying to uh, break bread here with ryan because you know, these tools here can be very much, you know, associated with the behavior of me. will liberalism, it may not be a spouse to say you might be all a g, but it looks for the same outcomes daniel as well. what else it gets as i disagree with that, i think that on that neo liberalism str. ready for a new world order under us of gemini, and i think a trump is a, is a bringing in a new system based on national ico says i his, his, his because i'm tariffs. is that a good? is that a good thing? national ego it is. um, is that a good thing? no, it's not a good thing at all. it's, it's a, it's a very bad things. beggars that i neighbor policies are precisely the same as the same type we saw in the early thirty's. i mean it's, it's, it's one thing of trump imposes tariffs,

but of every other country imposes terrorist and which allegation then world trade goes to 0 very, very fast. uh, and, and with that comes, uh, a serious economic uh, contraction. so uh, so trump is, you know, he's, he's bringing in a new order and questionable a, but that's not a good new order. well, um, okay, um, i can absolutely see where you're coming from here. but brian, um, as we're speaking right now, um, uh columbia, panama, mexico, and canada, who are taking the ne, is trump on to something as well. i mean, obviously if we're just talking about whether or not he wins in his political dynamic, then he's, then he's gaining. but ultimately this is a, i think, a negative thing. whether we're talking about the way the world sees the united states policy or birth. whether we're just for, whether the united states is in any way what he pretends to be to the world, right? i mean, it's, it's just, there's imperialism naked, imperialism. the way of carrying this out, what is the parents are not, it's, it's belligerent in my opinion. and again, go back to the point that i think this is about like like he was,

it's interesting you, you talked about like the old, like dynamic, a new world order, new liberalism. but you know, in comparison to what he's doing today. but i frankly think it's just kind of the merging of all this stuff. it's, i, this is going in that direction of a global tower. but not, i mean, it's hard to see it when you think through, through trump, only as this nationalistic kind of, you know, america 1st, but that's not really what their policies are. when you look at a broader dynamic look at the what that mean. i don't see much deviation between bite in terms of policy when it comes to foreign policy for ukraine, for israel. and i think quite frankly, we're seeing a lot kind of just break down in that very basically us government, throwing all of its agendas out for the interest of other foreign policy agenda is for israel, for example. and so if we're talking about the parents, we're talking about the new canada mixed with them and they were watching things implode, things that have destroyed previous bipartisan or just, you know, any both democrat and republican administration from before that we're trying to accomplish. or just the basic idea of the rules based order that is completely collapse because of their foreign policy. that's not in america's interest,

even right now what trump is doing, you can argue there's interest and resources and an x, y, and z. but as you were pointing out, the tariffs are only going to begin to cause more international problems for both countries. even though you see somebody getting to take the knee as you put it. i think it's only got a spin out further when other countries react, and so i see in the negative and all of this other than imperialism for john. yeah, i mean, why don't we get me, you know, we, could we go, we can figure out this entire conversation in the sense that trump wants to have a fortress western hemisphere. i mean it was being clued, so apparently a greenland here. it looks like, you know, he, he wants a power block. okay. and right is absolutely right. i mean, as we speak right now, um the israeli prime minister is visiting the united states will see if marco rubio is approach to the world. you know, when he was on making kelly what's going on with us. a id that may all be

a side show the in, in new cycle time, considering the vested interest that the binding ministration and apparently will find out the trumpet administration has with the genocide going on and gaza. a look . i don't think that there is a tiger and strategy at this point in time. i think that there is a kind of here and a saw switch. i guess some of us have described here as a form of nationalism or an actual egoism. but what we say is a whole bunch of, of initiatives or actions that um, you know, i say to satisfy particular constituencies. and also i say to create a particular emotional responses from the political bice and, but that's largely about here at the bottom. and so we don't have a car here in strategy in relation to ukraine, promises of solving that in 24 hours. not withstanding the fact that it was a bully campaign, how terribly have amounted to nothing at this point in time. and i'm not convinced

that there is actually a meaningful strategy at all to bring that more to i'm meaningful. close that certainly nice strategy in relation to stabilizing the middle east and on, and believes that there is a strategy in the license or the asia pacific. eva, all the areas at the moment is a consolidation loan which is around the back yard, so to speak, and an assertion of regional, sorry, of the neighbors. so it did quite clearly not in the same league. you know, it's a pretty easy thing to do as a terrace. the reality is, is that the united states and the wheels, the, the, the big stick that at once the, in i and, and that's mainly because the united states contributes not more than 15 percent of global will trade today, which is down from 20 percent. and the 60 is a guy, frankly, it is just less important, relatively speaking, and sort of has less impact in terms of its policies. brooks nations i able to

adjust should they be a 100 percent higher if imposed on them within all of this to my 2 and a half to 3 is fully compensated for the loss of the us market. the us in the main tom will take the training for 5 and 10 years and possibly even longer to adjust to a loss of the industrial machinery, the robotics, and not to mention the role materials of comes from the rest of the world. you know, when you've been living on devices of i use for the last 3540 years and you come to the realization that at some point a really call them the names real things. it's a bit of a shopping realization of the world doesn't need american. i are using the why it wants the that's just the reality. yeah. hey, daniel, this new approach, and i think all of us would agree it's, it's in its formative stage right now, or maybe it's just the one off. they wanted to go after this agency. and ned could follow, which would be great in my opinion. but daniel,

they have been given the trajectory, at least this is as trumps approach, making the world more or less safe. oh, it's making us far less safe. i mean, 1st of all, number one, i mean you have to where you talk about things like this. you use phrases like trumps approach. trump is a highly erratic individual. yeah. i think is a really a med tech. there's a certain kind of lodge in what he's doing, but he has not thought this out fully. and he's gonna get in big trouble very, very soon. the just stabilizing effects are profound. i mean, i think the, you know, the, the, the, the weakening of nato will have traumatic fx throughout the region. cons. so it might actually heat the war up and ukraine rather than tapping it down. this is

a and that of course, the middle east. i mean, i mean that yahoo is now trumps both. somehow he is the, he is the trump whisper. and so, so essentially he's running the entire middle east as a proxy for the us and that is pretty extraordinary. and that does not. ready a more peaceful region, obviously, corrupt. i'd like to point out though that i go ahead and go ahead, jump in. i'd like to point out that i think that it's, it's worth considering, and it's about the opinion that it's possibly the other way around. right. the idea that we're watching all of these things, but as you pointed out, are, are not in the, i mean, you can say for instance, greenland and minerals to meet or either resources. there's a renter's for america that might be positive for short term gain or maybe long term gain. but ultimately it's, i think like i said, in that positive and a lot of different reasons that are imploding, a lot of things for a long term american interest. and i think that that benefits is real and a lot of ways and that's more abstract. i think for some people, unless you understand some long term policy, that they will just to be frank, that, that people like ben gutierrez motor and some of the more radical people are openly

talking about, which is the stabilisation of 4 countries. weaponized migration. these, these are with statements by them, just so that's clear. but so thinking about how these things like people with nato . i think you could argue that these things benefit what they're trying to accomplish in the world. let's not forget that even the promises of the ending funding for ukraine or israel for that matter, both have been broken even recently, despite the pause, even though they what is really huge of continue trump, then through poland for through israel set weapons back to you create that just happen. so it just seems to be even challenging as on promises to his base. i think i see all of this is in the interest of at least 4 and countries as opposed to united states. but i would say israel, i think that's worth considering a war waco of last 40 seconds. go to you that you've given what we've heard from daniel and ryan, is there a coherent strategy here? go ahead 35 seconds or there's no kind of here strategy. it's um, it's a series of emotionally driven reactions to changes in the world that the trump is

coming to grips with. it is a function of a deep state of dislikes. sometimes i see from a country and a man or he's experienced a world that was dramatically different and where the united states side of the penny. oh, that's my level of okay. it it's, it's quite fascinating. the, the, the, the new administration is inherent in a world very, very different than the 1st administration of trump. it's really quite fascinating . and i guess we'll all agree, we'll see where it all goes it's, it's very difficult to keep track of what's going on here. i want to thank my, i guess in a nashville new york and in brisbane. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember cross platforms, the,

the, the new cost cuz i don't know of the, i'm almost, unfortunately literally to you can use to, to provide you to. so for security should that's good because of to who don't really know what else to what the physical of when this was on the guy with the dental fits. this thing that oldest one is going to be to chapters because a bottom utility can sold up new to butcher it was with i q. you don't know for the book, you know, scott, so sort of open slowly. oh, shoot me. you could see it got the in the solution that continue with that. i don't look lead them all in use for that part of the for the last thing that this is i've seen. yeah. and yeah, it's a level, it's also some line you and your model of the region look simple to ship machine info, use case, i believe, right?

for scalable body, no needed me. she and the hotel, but this to not make the bolivar which are probably a 1000007 people. 7, maybe a 1000000 a. but i think all of them i think going to be re settled in areas where they can little beautiful life and not be worried about dying every day. for us, president on bales, his palm shell, blonde, to relocate all goes in from their loans and take control of the outcomes. the overall is the does the strips, it's part of that is fine. i'll us ending and box it or to the u. n. i tried to reject donald trump of do art of nations who instead push for the creation of an