a to into klein was fair, culminating in the defy jo, see the body and paint for life. i did the demise. and what happened is the client isms thought the dividing the country and literally the war load and started to imagine with individuals running jubal on portland. and in 1900 on 91 there was a civil war does, may cut her eyes it otherwise. and after that civil war, so my life and declare i had high in defendants which independence has not been recognized by any country. but if you will travel to how to gaze, you will find that there is a functioning government complete with an army complete with the with the car and see, and in did, they have held this for elections and they are functioning as a country. but then we'll get this show administration does not accept that these

are an independent country. and for that reason, they do not upset that any country should negotiate directly with the government or the administration in out of days. this is what has brought the current conflict between f c o p a on the so my, the, you remember that the deal pay uh, self had a problem. been non lo looked in the sense that when the time the ends left and they, they, it is free. i was part of it the oh yeah, it was good. they had the port of the, the port which was in there, the 3. yeah. but after the administration came into being in 1984, when men less than that, we with the tape the less took over and remove the dividends. you electricity gain independence and it's still became long the low cost. and as we talk now, if you use this part of it, you bought it and a prime minister, i'd be

a said that's it. you'll see a given each size and population cannot in the nature of things continued to belong locked. and that is why the, in the, in to on agreement with the so my, the line so that they can have access to the gulf of idaho. and also use the port size of the port of barbara. and what i then happened, of course, is, is that they will, that issue government has said that cannot be, you do not have the right to enter into negotiations with somebody land because somebody not is not a silver in state recognized by international community. and if you want to do in a city, you must negotiate with the government in mogadishu. of course, for a long time when there was no stable administration in mogadishu, those issues did not that rise. but now there is on time to reclaim last $33.00, and that is what brings into play the current concept on the attempt at negotiation

. there was an attempt initially to have a gun negotiate you got into a governmental authority of the development, which is in the onregional political shade, the issue. but that did not go very fast. another thing that happened in order to ensure that the temperatures were lowered, the booty. government said we are prepared to give you a seal fans access to the sea. but of course, the fuel pins want, i'm not drink meant that he's going to give them direct access on didn't did if you're traveling and that's part of the, there is no a major road that is connecting. if you appear on the point of barbara, which port is on the expansion of the construction, you'd also note that the steel pins actually did try to get access on the saw them, but through the lap slip through the number of port. but that is not doing very well. so what is this? think of negotiations, not the state of negotiations. is that very little is operating on the ground. the

costs of mistrust is the east of atlanta community has now said, that's the best of nathan canyon and uganda. to lead negotiations to bring it's still on the so my the together. but it's something that is not going to be easy. it is not going to be easy because another day as also entered into the are, you know, the jeep sions, the defense of entered into the interview. not because the different terms uh saying that the construction of the ground, if the op and written also is done, which is meant to generate $10000.00 megawatts of electricity is interfering with the flow of denial, which is you could defend zone. and i, i'm aware that the jeep sions of said that what really stuck in the 1900 on printed 911959 creatives. and in the month of october, specifically on the 14th day of october, the pin, the pin, the full. or if i click on countries under denial of best and the sign

denial of framework agreement, but egypt understood, done, i've refused to assign. and what's the difference uh say, a saying that they now want to bring $10000.00 troops to somebody uh, to engage in activities with the therapy. and i think uh, threatening and is something that is still being negotiated on the difference being told don't do that. and of course, another thing that has happened is that so my lia, in will that issue of entered into entertainment with the administration of ducky through on different than it will one to train onto patrol or the see show which is the economic zone under the cost of this is something that the so my, the line does not happen. we remember that they were gunned and troops. i've been in somalia under the was business of the office on union can yeah. as also had the

presence introduced to my you, remember also that if so my, the self has a problem with the, i'll shut bad and remember the old get in wall and all those things coming to play. now, the question is, how we're going to resolve this problem? how are we going to ensure that this particular conflict between if you appeal on somebody land is resolved on it is not going to be easy because somebody land which just went through an election in the month of november, already appealing to the international community that they want to be recognized and they are saying that we control noah $33.00 and we are going to determine who it is that is going to occupy our spaces on which arguments we are going to enter into. and with the coming in to office later in the month of january, with

a new administration in the united states of america under donald trump. the assumption on the front of the, somebody, landers, is that if there was to gain recognition by such a country, then there would be floods a gate of countries which would recognize. and i'm aware that somebody line does i engage in very aggressive diplomacy for the purpose of the gaining that gaining the completion. on the fact, this somali government in mogadishu has done to very interesting things. one, they applied on the, i know members of the subsequent community and being members of based off of the community. they are now taking the position that based off of the community. if countries which have consumed lights also my, the line should not allow them to operate, can yeah. is that such a country with the consulate? i think if feel p i is the country with the consulate and they feel feelings. and

as those of threatening that they will elevate those goals too late to embassy levels. and that is a heightening the tension in that region in a very major way. one doesn't. my crystal ball tells me my pistol tells me that the tensions are going to continue. it tells me that the attention of going to continue because within some model it's of the or sort tensions, but particularly with small areas of life in cuba lined on point line was made, as i've also said that they are going to declare their own autonomy. so they in don, open for evictions of such a nature that negotiating for, for peace is not going to be on with the coming into the mix of the docs. and of the difference on the joining by mogadishu, government or somebody government, it starts with the community. many players coming in to play on one ways to see

what it is that is going to happen. but particularly with the model, the time of government that hasn't been entered into between if the up, the on, somebody that so i for see trouble in the future there. i see a situation where somebody land will remain a default to country which is not recognized. i see a somalia that he's going to try and continue to i get date. and i see on this c p a, which is going to insist that we are going to be in somebody land. but particularly if philippines are going to do that in order to ensure that the jeep sions, don't have any boots on the ground in the part of the was knowing that they do that . they all got in problem, which was a sauce of a conflict, is still alive and well knowing as they do that if they don't have a port that the disabled and i'm told on this is subject to conformation that he

did the feel feelings minded of using that part of the sea for purposes of building a viable navy. so this things happening at the time when africa is saying that we have declared the 2 years of, of looking for peace. and i hope and believe that the current stock understands is, notwithstanding, negotiations must continue ops, under the auspices of our an applicant body. the african union, which in the nature of things, must begin to take on pay, throw, headquartered as it is in august sub by the fuel, the tensions must be redeemed, and peace must breakout negotiated on sustainable peace between as somebody. uh, honestly, yeah, thank you very much. uh,

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are you ready to come along the a piano to move, but here the sly are active shell conservancy. in my truck was county in 35 because k, when is the 21st century, was coming along, it was said that it would be offered because century a and many issues was touched on. one of them was the see as providing opportunities for the development of africa's economy africa has the advantage of having 2 or 3 meg. what the buddies, if we leave the in town or what to on the western part of africa, we have the atlantic ocean. on the eastern part of africa, we have the indian ocean and the northern part of africa, the mediterranean sea,

of which of the greatest opportunities in terms of the ability to spa, the african economy. tradition of costs, remember, is that this was canada, acquired great significance, as on the 1800 on 69 when it was constructed. and aside from the pond on, no, one of the most important what the ways in the world is this way is going up. and when it was seized by the gym and the 1956, it was indeed the statement that it jumped on by extension africa. quite an important task. so the very 1st thing that we looked at when we talked about the c is the c as a mode of transportation for purposes of delivering goods in a manner that is cheaper than any other means. and this says cpanel is a pretty cool, awesome. oh,

sitting down pretty good. i does something the johnny in many ways in the olden days. people would go through the cape of good up, which is along the route. but we know that with the says cannot particularly for the countries on the eastern part of africa, it's important economic activities and ought to be protected and didn't, did, ought to be supported to on the west side of costs. we have the atlantic ocean and to the extent that off with the trades with south america and the united states of america, we do have major fox in that area. and that guy incentive the of cost plus have good. and one day, an ongoing portal noval, all these um major ports. and of course tim i in the gonna these um major ports that i use for purposes of transportation of goods. and they have significant