multiple sins, which it became the reason for another branch of sanctions with which the west wants to strangle russia. and then we started to get interested. we have our own facts that prove that there were no russian troops there at that time. no one wants to listen. we are already at a minimum right now. for the 2nd year, we have been trying to get the names of those people whose bodies were shown by the bbc generalists just their names. isn't this a natural step in any investigation of any crime? includes a stone wall moves also on usa. i these books is the bbc which got over $3000000.00 in 2024 alone making it that years. the 2nd largest recipient of us say i the funds and i definitely are. and is that money? shamelessly pushing fake and $2.00 russian stories like those of ukraine's former human rights chief ludmilla denise of us who made up stories of a case with russian soldiers of raping ukrainian women to goes up to about 25 women age 14 to 20 full. that's where rates by russian soldiers,

the needs of his life were so obvious, but to have removed her from her post in may of 2022. she even admitted that there was no evidence to backup any of her claims. and that she was being told to spread all those lights. they told me, can you write that? there's a present at this oper owes you a nuclear plant, because official media sources are supposed to say this. oh no, the ombudsman didn't want to say it. he only says what the president's office tells them to be. but i'm being asked to say this by the authorities by intelligent surfaces. but spreading lies like the nice of us have only been half the battle for us a id. the organization also instructs its minions to observe so called strategic silence, essentially a form of collective censorship, through lack of media coverage on subject inconvenient for the west. by this usa, i d means that coordinated by the order of the sponsor of such pocket media. they

ignore those inconvenient stories, facts and opinions that do not fit into the version of events approved in washington. a blow to sujata. what is such a restore? perhaps? no, yeah, there was nothing vicious. well, you get the pattern. however, the brochure did not select an equally high sounding term for the orchestrated distribution of prepared, stuffing and fakes by all these incorruptible and independent people who were on the payroll of the overseas owner. as it was with the staging of butcher the hoaxes surrounding the north stream bombings and the wrong elections and a number of countries, i can help you. strategic hubbub. tried looking up a little screw up, but it's not on google. you'll find nothing in the english press about that war crime that the ukrainian military committed in russia's course region. do you see a know that it was meant to be a standard clean up operation. instead, a bloodcurdling discovery fingerprints, w cranes, months long,

presence in this village be above you. i do you and i do you do you do full is do those little. i mean, but when it comes to the stereo surrounding russian propaganda, it doesn't matter if it's true or not. it's all over the internet. it's ingrained in people's minds and its mission accomplished for us. say id, a cloud sauce for this hour and it is me down to the day taking the range of the top. it's like what childs me, of the, [000:00:00;00]

the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter live out. trump promised to shock the system and he is, he has declared war against the us government to threaten friends, info alike with a tear of war. and now is personally decided to reorder the middle east palestinians and gals have faced more force displacement and ethnic cleansing the cross. i think guys, i'm joined by my guess, ramsey's my route in seattle. he is a palestinian author and journalist in dubai. we have, i've made a lean, he is an investigative emmy, nominated journalist and in pay route. we presently risk. he is a security and political affairs analyst. i drilled in cross soft roles and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, i'm going to go to ramsey 1st because he got up early is for this program,

much appreciated. the audience always appreciates when you are on the program ramsey i, we were reflecting on what we heard on tuesday, which is world historic for any number of reasons here. but one kind of almost drug tests take away from trump, claiming he will own gaza. essentially, i guess annex it, i mean the words were very nebulous and when pressed by a very feeble, per se, would not answer. i want to talk about media reaction in a moment. but ramsey is like a real estate deal. is a substitute for a political solution. how bad can you get the get this situation go ahead ramsey as well. this is very, very bad, but it also has a context. this is not the 1st time that americans especially on from side to care about the real estate, the 14 it is a weak and with them in a in, in uh garza and is the 1st on such references as the riviera. give me the east,

i mean the 1st 2 goals as one for the long carlo. give me these that was doing the also of course, the very objective cautionary spoke a repeatedly about the real estate opportunities waiting for them at the gaza closed. but just to say these things, after you actually 25, the extermination of the palestinian people were somewhat like benjamin that any of the apartment is fugitive running from the law. and to call them, you add that fuel to a fire that is beyond any other find that we ever seen in the middle east. it really shows such as the responsible steed craft and it took completely away from any credibility from mike to gathered for himself, claiming that he is indeed the one put the pressure on that then. yeah, i'll just stop the war. well yeah, i'll quit. it's also very interesting is that, as we've all agreed, we've heard these phrases from his son in law. but now it's the state policy. this

is the policy of the united states. it's not as a reference, you know, would it be good if we did, they'll? now this is policy here and what it is and again to many people in the west, the want to admit it is that the united states is turning into the guarantor of a genocide in palestine. the most certainly, i mean i have to say i would certainly not shopped, but i did think i was hallucinating at one point watching donald trump say palestinians must not be awesome at i had to watch it twice. i had to was to be honest. and regardless of how many times you watch it, i mean admitting garza has and i quote, been turned into hell while sitting next to the grinning devil who turned it into hell. and of course, he was only able to do so nothing yahoo, that is using american weapons and unrelenting diplomatic cover. so you know, a complete and total display of hedge, a monic hubris. and, and let's just take

a quick step back. i mean, it's important to know that the 1st world leader, the new us president, welcome to the white house. just happens to be a work criminal with an arrest warrant have for him by the i c c. and so it does affect the question, why is the trunk perfectly happy that off work attends from federal funds yet continues to fund is really government. and i think the fact is, the us, we all know, i think can agree will not be occupying garza and donald trump and jared questionnaire won't be building any resorts there. but in one sense, i'm kind of glad there. i say to see trump announced these plans so. ready open me so plainly instead of pretending to care about palestinians as many other us presidents have done that preceded him while simultaneously enabling their ethnic cleansing and genocide, which of course violates international law. but also violets u. s. law as well, you know and also ramsey. it's very interesting is that this whole approach,

1st of all, all of us have been very critical, critical of the so called to state solution which we have heard for decades, which are just mouth by western politicians. but now with crumbs a pronouncement, even though his administration's walking a back a little bit, it's the overton window is open. it's widened. okay. is that, you know, they, the ethnic cleansing is, is us policy right now? and what it does is, this is an attempt by walking away from the so called 2 state solution. it is an attempt, and we've seen this before to erase palace palestinians as a national identity. go ahead, ramsey. and this is the policy that the americans have sponsor from the day that you start to. there's no point in history as the u. s. government, any u. s. administration of ashley champion and palestinian identity or palestinian sovereignty and all of that. and no matter what is what has done or do they do that,

americans will always maintain that position. but think about it this way. they are talking about, oh well, you notice just clean up the mess them this going to get the gardens out 1015 years because come back or maybe some of them don't. this damage the initiative or piece of the initiative and the power back in the hands of the americans. and this is what i feel like the fear that many, many of us many palestinians outside outside does, doesn't mind you are experiencing is, is unrealistic. because the fact is, for 470 do one day's pushed back. and that's only i guess it is what you mean to tell me. but it gives the worst of intelligence that gives american arguments against italian, german, french, and british course, and uses to the is what introduced like the entire western world of student, both sides to the device in world war 2 filed of gauze and the still fail. so what

can mr from the real estate mobile can do to see the dynamics that last is for nearly 500 years ago the victoria's despite to deal with the price ordinary gauze, paid for that victory. but the thing that much will, this is psychological because not everybody is paying attention to come back and you have the are ups, the amount of good the you don't do this, this is crazy. do use would not use would not to carry on with such language and so on and so forth. put the power back in trumps. had the power is actually in the hands of the palestinians. and it has always been in the hands of posting it all a it's good to you and very rude to mean a be a question that has not been brought up about it least up front and center is this also gives a green light for netanyahu. and in his a government to continue their growing genocide in the west bank because

it's the, it's dispersing displacing all palestinians, not just gaza, but all. and that is left on spoken here. go ahead and be root. and it does, it does encourage you rush to have your own the positive nothing. you know, i think that westbank in particular is an important issue. remember that, um uh, tums appointee. his choice for a bus that the history on is mike huckabee mark huckabee sense is on the west side calendar and they very much on the line with smoke friction blended up here and uh, trump side by side or to the year when will so stephanie. so you have a number of right wing figures within this administration who are very much in agreement with the smoke patient with ben copier and with this brand new, ultra right. so based upon that, i think there was a real possibility that donald trump might extend his approach will give his blessing good for. i'd like to some kind of bridge really and that are in the west bank. we heard him say that um, in about 4 weeks,

is going to make his announcements about where the weather ought to. and next to westbank code to announce that he supports his radius offering to the west bank. and i am suspecting that, um trump is going to give nothing, you know pretty much what he wants when it comes to palestine bought in exchange for that. i think that on the issue would be wrong. what i mean to say here was the trump has we heard any statements, he's not going to be, he wants to deal with the wrong. so he might get nothing to have one say what he wants in public storage. it's strange for nothing. you know, turning it down when it comes to where the wrong hand on encouraging escalation with the wrong or i think that off to the press conference off that the statements we heard during the nothing here who is visit. it appears that might be the trump middle east policy. you know, i said it's really interesting. i mean again, because it's my job, i have to look at what media says. all media has to say and in western media,

they would never once. so it's a question asked what, what, what, what happens when the palestinians say no, we're not interested in this feel that question is never posed to western audiences ever. ok med, you know, it's true. and i, you know, i think that it's important when we, we talk about trump and, and his, his in the edict things he says, which are obviously meant to manipulate, not just the new media, but create some chaos. you know, give somewhere else. leverage to 9 yahoo and normalize some of the most extreme is uh, parts of his zionist ideology. but i do want to say, you know, let's not forget the bite and, and the by the administrator and was exploring this very same option of pushing. the pablo stands out, ethnically, cleansing them in late 2023. i kind of want to echo with them as he said, because i think, you know, the addiction regime of course, didn't tolerate. it, didn't accept it. but the language that by them used was you know, softer as it is often with democrats. he called it a humanitarian corridor. you know,

there's all these euphemisms for pushing the palestinians into the sign. i desert. but tear point peter. where was the sort of the moral conviction, an outrage that we've seen in display in the media, and then the halls of power and dc with cost and peach trump over ethnic cleansing . where was that during the last 1516 months under bite, and when billions of dollars of weapons were being sent. when you know, now we know more than 70000 palestinians murdered almost 100000 tons of weapons. more than dressed in more than here. shima where it was about, i mean that to me peter, the real scandal here might be simply that trumpet. sing our right. whatever us present in before him has done endorsed and upheld just without the mask of pretence. right? when it comes to the question about where to the palestinian stand and all this, i mean, it is kind of appalling and really beyond shameful. it is, it's obscene how palestinians are not being raised only through genocide and have

the kinds of things that are raised even in the equation of determining their fate . i don't know at that point i have to jump in here gentlemen, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. i've got to stay with our team, the the,

[000:00:00;00] the, the welcome back to the cross. ok, we're all things are considered. i'm peter le, about your mind. you were discussing godsa the . okay, let's go back to our guess now ramsey and in seattle here, osmond was saying at the end of the 1st part of the program. i'll use my word, but the continuity that we see through administrations here trump is a compass,

trump, he's an oddity. and he's, he's turning into a historic figure, maybe in for not for the right reasons. and i tend to think that's true. but, you know, he's using real estate as a cover most other presidents that you humanitarian, it's for democracy. all this other stuff that we've gotten so tired of here, but the, the outcome is exactly the same. there is a continuity from biden to do to drum drums, just more open about it. and he thinks he's actually doing humanity a favor by moving these people to like a motel 6 around the corner in an eminent domain style here. and, and that's a cover that's a cover for genocide and his it and if he will, they move forward with his plan as well. whatever it is, how you got a formulated. it also essentially means the genocide continues a mr digit. indigenous stock has been taking business and id and both the 8 and south as early as 1953. if i remember correctly,

it was when the americans were pushing for the so called roger plans. and that's the idea of pushing, you know, that palestinians out of gaza through the same night, doesn't the feel because of and this to me as a garza refused to, to do it. and again, and i get 6 or 7 under the, the, the, you know, in class. and again in the early 19 seventy's under the sharon class. and none of these plans have work now that trump is trying to be clever about it and trying to give it some sort of up to you minute tell. you saw the end of the day. it makes no difference. it also makes no difference for palestinians who and i have been is if you wish is as spend a city as being fired out or, or living under is where a be a bombs. it doesn't matter to us whether these bones are being provided by a democratic administration or by the public and administration at the end of the, the, the american bombs. and it's just the american sustained junior site. so this is

the reality of it. i'm assuming is i'm not buying into it. i photo social media but includes me from gaza and most people are just making fun of the notion that i just created all of these incredible economy the and the notion of, from the trying to do what is what has to be on to do. of course, to be to 6th or 7th to 7. yes. if i can, just, if i can do something that rumsey mentioned there, i mean, for 76 years, i see says israel's tried to forcibly displeased palestinians. and even 15 months of genocide with complete diplomatic cover in gaza, they failed. and the reason they failed, just to really emphasize this from doesn't understand that this is what indigenous people do. yeah, they remain on the land because the land is not just where they happen to live. it's not a condo, it's who they are. and you know, when we see more than 70 percent of the victims of israel's genocide being women and children, that is by design, that is not an accident. that is to prevent further generations best. so what i

need to which there waging this war. and lastly, i just want to say as for as prophetic as trump can appear, what we saw in the last few days and this week is the white house press. secretary insist that the real evil per word isn't that us in israel turning on gaza, turning it into an unbelievable wasteland. that genocide is not the evil but that surviving the genocide and insisting whether the palestinians themselves insist or others that they remain in their homeland. that somehow is the real evil. i mean, to green light, the bombs fund, the destruction, and then act shocked when the result looks like a post apocalyptic wasteland. i mean the words, the admissions. i mean that not so bright. to put it like the white house press, secretary admitted that israel using us weapons, has made gaza and it happened. oh no, no, no, they didn't, they didn't admitted. that's what, that's what's really amazing that they,

if you look at the rhetoric coming out of the press score and the white house and trump and you know, it sounds like a natural disaster hit the place they, they never mentioned how it was turned into rubble in the 1st place, it's the know it, but the world knows that great ali, it trump is repeatedly said that countries like jordan and egypt are on board the saudis. remarkably, this, the saturday for ministry at 4 o'clock in the morning. somebody was agitated, came out and said, now there must be a palestinian state. what is trump talking about? i mean, does he have that kind of leverage? i mean, both states, jordan and egypt are very fragile places. they're under america's thumb. ken ken from kate, his way ali a symbol. i think that when from start to these words, they weren't very carefully considered hardly, even some of these pains weren't aware of what he was going to say. uh, so he didn't get much thought, i think,

to the repercussions or to the impact of what you said on that. this is what trump likes for the way you know, he promotes the mad man theory not from unpredictable person. and i think he's enjoying of the attention which is being given to these statements regardless of whether or not the plan is going to be far from or not. and enhancing the real question, i think egypt and jordan will be, will categorically rejected any such proposals because this for preston, the very existence of these got been seen both these 2 countries set a ravia as well. i think you can a st. goodbye to any possibility for normalization with his royal shooting, trump follow through on his plan. so there are many, many major obstacles which could prevent from, from doing it the adults have leverage with these countries, but they also, i think, have let bridge, which they can use. now,

our country is usually done to use a leverage against the americans at this time because the very existence, the security of the governments will be at stake. it might lead to a change. and by the way, these countries that they come in, they've become closer to, although he jeer political arrivals like russia and china. so i think should um, trump squeeze these nations that could very well be very damaging to your with interest and leave the us to losing some very valuable allies just quickly about the continuity between administrations and the, the by the mistress and picked up where trump last talk with you, hey, brad, the phones in troy and also to mobilize tories between the saudis and the use rate is how it would be and, and successfully. so there is a continuance and i think that um, but the proposal put forward by trump was just an unconventional language which we saw before, which was used by other demonstrations that there might be using

a soft a ton. one final point is that this is a good policy for the us. it's not good for you. what's reason interested? and it's also not good politics because i remember according to recent opinion, polls carmella harris, the main reason she lost that's right. was one of the restrictions were on go so. so trump isn't doing it himself. i think any good if he were to follow through on this plan. yeah, been around so it was really was interesting. again, the optics of watching the 2 leaders in the white house sitting together, companies taking on all of the risk nothing yahoo takes no risk at all. i find it very strange a strep. i mean, he's a business man, that's a very strange business strategy. go ahead, ramsey as well. i mean it, think about it based on how this lady he but we get particular reporting on this and that's in the whole goes as a field reader who's even battled in his own country. the military is in tatters, is a big, big problem as well,

politically and militarily. and he called us back at 5 pm sent to me that we'd be via an all the, you know, of thinking about to be joining the government again. this is the gift of font, but the sort of temporary gift of the whole bill, just the sense of try it before when he killed muscle, when, when he killed other kind of sidney and, and everybody's leaders of the always feel that temporary sense of victory. but it disappears quite quickly, but what we have actually benefit from this is that this sense of ownership, i think is very important. then you'll raise the question about the media. the way the media is handling this issue is what is the deal that we owe on display? so we own discomfort the way the been taught speaks of ownership. he speaks about this on the real estate point to view what american politicians and, and, and, and, and joe strategist actually don't thing can be done because the sign in front, the rest of the middle east is that the difference is that from speaks about it in

a very cool sense of colonialism the way that the, the belgians under king the vehicle proceed to the for example, this is always we will sold it out as to which someone needs to tell the americans that the world has changed. you are no longer living these days if you don't have all the keys and you cannot control and even the physical goes anymore. nor to think of the amenities, you know, awkward one of those. very creepy. it's cringe things about nothing. yeah. who has visited, gave a page here to trump very publicly. that's so creating, it's just a b. that means something to people like our ourselves, that in, in the region in the middle east itself. but you know, all around the world that is one of the most terrific things you can do. it's almost like almost never use this word. it's almost just evil. no, it would be under being evil. it's normal. i mean,

let's call it what it is. it's normalizing terrorism just like the media celebrated what this former c i a director clearly called the master event and 11 on when, you know israel did explode all those pages and killed many, many civilians. and then in addition to some uh, resistance fighters, i do just want to say on that note it should also be noted and said very plainly, the netanyahu himself is playing with fire. he humiliated america this week. he made trump look like his serve. and quite frankly, and the main stream media to you earlier points that can spin it all the like. but the american people are slowly waking up to the fact that no matter which party wins as has been set on this program, somehow is ro, always stays in charge. and i think the american people are actually much like all of us growing tired of this reality. i mean the crime that trump declared, so probably in plainly let's just be, you know, legal about it. it's a crime born out of imperial lawlessness. but it's the crime of force displacement, and you know,

when you permanently drive and indigenous population off their homeland in mass scale and you replaced it with the settlers. perhaps that might speak to america's origin story, to a genocide, but maybe a whole host of other nations. but we all know that beyond it being morally reprehensible. i think right now it's a litmus test for the 100. well, i am a documented, and then i have to end on this note here, and the entire western civilizational experiment is on trial here and its failing. it's failing very badly. and donald trump will be its head figure if things continue the way they are gentlemen. that's all the time we have a one, it's like my guess in seattle, dubai, and in bay road. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our see, see you next time. remember across the

the, [000:00:00;00] the russian, all the pace control of a town of tourists can a for most from old fort ukrainian forces and they do get public reports come in off more gallons being killed. despite the c 5, the us president suggests relocating them to nearby our country even policy and say that that will resist any force displacement for the base. the nose will let not agree with the trump uh the will not agree or with that.