the, the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered. i'm theater, live out. trump promised to shock the system and he is, he has declared war against the us government, threatened friends, info alike with a tear of war. and now is personally decided to reorder the middle east. palestinians and girls have faced more force displacement and ethnic cleansing the

process. i think guys, i'm joined by my guess, ramsey's my route in seattle. he is a palestinian author and journalist and do by we have, i've made a lean. he is an investigative emmy, nominated journalist and in pay route. we cross alley risk. he is a security and political affairs analyst. i drilled in cross soft roles and effect . that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate, i'm going to go to ramsey 1st because he got up early is for this program, much appreciated audience always appreciates when you are on the program ramsey i, we were reflecting on what we heard on tuesday, which is world historic for any number of reasons here. but one kind of almost go test and take away from, from claiming he will own gaza essentially, i guess annex it. i mean, the words were very nebulous and when pressed by a very feeble press, he would not answer. i want to talk about media reaction in a moment, but rather than using a real estate deal is a substitute for

a political solution. how bad can you get the get this situation go ahead, ramsey as well. this is very, very bad, but it also has a context of this is not the 1st time that americans, especially on from side to care about the real estate, the quotes entities awaiting them. in, in, in uh, garza and is the 1st on such references as the riviera. really the east. i mean doing it for 2 guys. that's one part of the one carlo. give me the lease that was doing. the also of course, period jet is cautionary, spoke a repeatedly about the real estate opportunities waiting for them at the gaza closed. but just to say these things, after it was actually 25. the extermination of the palestinian people were somewhat like benjamin that any of these are the department. and so if you don't have to running from the law and to call and you add that fuel to a fire that is beyond any other find. did we ever seen in the middle east?

it really shows such as the responsible steed craft and it took completely away from any credibility from mike to gathered for himself, claiming that he is indeed the one put the pressure on them. yeah, i'll just stop the war. well yeah, i'll quit. it's also very interesting. is that, as we've all agreed, we've heard these phrases from his son in law, but now it's the state policy. this is the policy of the united states. it's not as a reference, you know, wouldn't be good if we did bill. now, this is policy here and what it is and again to many people in the west, the want to admit it is that the united states is turning into the guarantor of a genocide. in palestine the most certainly, i mean i have to say i was certainly not shocked, but i did think i was hallucinating at one point watching donald trump say palestinians must not be a awesome at i had to watch it twice. i had to watch movies,

to be honest. and regardless of how many times you watch it, i mean admitting garza has and i quote, been turned into hell while sitting next to the grinning devil who turned it into hell. and of course, he was only able to do so and then yahoo, that is using american weapons and unrelenting diplomatic cover. so you know, a complete and total display of hedge, a monic hubris. and let's just take a quick step back. i mean, it's important to know that the 1st world leader, the new us president, welcome to the white house. just happens to be a work criminal within the rest war and have for him by the i c c. and so it does affect the question, why is the trunk perfectly happy that off work attends from federal funds yet continues to fund is really government. and i think the fact is, the us, we all know, i think can agree will not be occupying garza and donald trump and jared questionnaire won't be building any resorts there. but in one sense,

i'm kind of glad there. i say to see trump announced these plans so. ready open me so plainly instead of pretending to care about palestinians as many other us presidents have done that preceded him while simultaneously enabling their ethnic cleansing and genocide, which of course violates international law. but also violets u. s. law as well, you know and also ramsey. it's very interesting is that this whole approach, 1st of all, all of us have been very critical, critical of the so called to state solution which we have heard for decades, which are just now the by western politicians. now with crumbs a pronouncement, even though his administration's walking a back a little bit, it's the overton window is open. it's widened. okay. is that, you know, they, the ethnic cleansing is, is us policy right now? and what it does is, this is an attempt by walking away from the so called 2 state solution. it is an

attempt, and we've seen this before to erase palace palestinians as a national identity. go ahead, ramsey. and this is the policy that the americans have sponsor from the day that you start to. there's no point in history as the u. s. government, any u. s. administration of ashley champion and palestinian identity or palestinian sovereignty and all of that then no matter what is what has done or do they do, the americans will always maintain that position. but think about it this way. they are talking about, oh well, you notice just clean up the mess and it's good to get the gardens out 1015 years because come back or maybe some of them don't. this damage the initiative or piece of the initiative and the power back in the hands of the americans. and this is what i feel like the fear that many, many of us many palestinians outside outside does, doesn't mind you are experiencing is, is unrealistic. because the fact is,

for 471 days pushed back. not only i guess it is what you me the 3. but i guess the west of intelligence that gives american arguments against italian, german, french, and british course and uses to the is what introduced like the entire western world of skilled in both sides to the device. in world war 2 filed the utmost garza and the still fail. so what can mr. from the real estate mobile can do to see the dynamics that lost it for nearly 500 years. and it was at the mars victoria's despite to deal with the price ordinary gauze, paid for that victory. but the thing that much, so this is psychological because now everybody is paying attention to come back and give them the are ups the, i'm not a good the you don't do this, this is crazy. do use would not use would not to carry on with such language and so on and so forth. put the power back in trumps. had the power is actually in the

hands of the palestinians. and it has always been in the hands of pets. do you know, holly, it's good to you and very rude to mean a be a question that has not been brought up about it least up front and center is this also gives a green light for netanyahu. and in his a government to continue their growing genocide in the west bank because it's the, it's dispersing displacing all palestinians, not just gaza, but all. and that is left on spoken here. go ahead and be root. a team lead and does it does encourage rush behavior on the part of nothing. you know, i think that westbank in particular is an important issue. i remember that um a tom's a pointy his choice for a bustle got the history on his mike huckabee mike huckabee stance is on the west bank well known and they very much align with smoke friction blended up here and uh,

trump side by side or to the your way and also stephanie. so you have a number of right wing figures within this administration who are very much in agreement with smoke cation. we've been up here and with this brand new, ultra right. so based upon that, i think there was a real possibility that donald trump might extend his approach to give it his blessing. good for, i'd like to some kind of is really and that are in the west bank. we heard him saying that um, in about 4 weeks, he's going to make his announcements about where the whether or not to and next to west bank or to announce that he supports his ready self warranty or the west bank . and i am suspecting that, um trump is going to give nothing, you know pretty much what he wants when it comes to palestine bought in exchange for that. i think that on the issue or the wrong, what i mean to say here was the trump has we heard any statements, he's not going to be. he wants to deal with the wrong. so he might give nothing to

have going to say what he wants in public storage. it's strange for nothing, you know, turning it down when it comes to where iran had on encouraging escalation with the wrong. or i think that off to the press conference up that the statements we heard during the nothing here who is visit it appears that might be the trunk, middle east policy. you know, i said it's really interesting. i mean again, because it's my job, i have to look at what media says, all media has to say and in western media, they would never one. so it's a question as what, how well, what, what, what happens when the palestinians say no, we're not interested in this field, but question is never posed to western audiences ever. ok med, i know it's true and i, you know, i think that it's important when we, we talk about trump and, and his, his in the edict things he says, which are obviously meant to manipulate, not just the mean media, but create some chaos you know, give somewhere else, leverage to and then yahoo and normalize some of the most extreme is parts of the

zionist ideology. but i do want to say, you know, let's not forget the bite and, and the bite and administration was exploring this very same option of pushing the palestinians out, ethnically, cleansing them in late 2023. i kind of want to echo with them as he said, because i think, you know, the addiction regime of course didn't tolerate. it, didn't accept it. but the language that by them used was, you know, softer as it is often with democrats. he called it a humanitarian corridor. you know, there's all these euphemisms for pushing the palestinians into the sign. i desert but tear point peter. where was the sort of the moral conviction, an outrage that we've seen in display in the media, and then the whole is a power in d. c with cost and peach trump over ethnic cleansing. where was that during the last 1516 months under by then when billions of dollars of weapons were being sent . when, you know, now we know more than 70000 palestinians murdered almost 100000 tons of weapons. more than dressed in more than here. a shima where it was about, i mean, not to me peter,

the real scandal here might be simply that trumpet. sing our right, whatever us present and before him has done endorsed and upheld just without the mask of pretence. and when it comes to the question about where to the palestinian stand and all this, i mean, it is kind of appalling and really beyond shameful. it's seen how palestinians are not being raised only through genocide and ethnic cleansing better rates, even in the equation of determining their fate. i don't know at that point i have to jump in here gentlemen, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. i've got to stay with our team the, the, if you think about russia,

what does your mind picture the landscapes open up the fully lines. the last one does, can you imagine the, the discounts dodge the journey? the, the, you ready to come along the slice. all americans today are armed forces joined our nato allies in air strikes against the serbian forces, the forgot village spread through us with them. and we, we still, for, we conclude, disregarding the fan base is of the nation,

which is reinforced with the depleted uranium that has a special capacity to spend a trade from nuclear safety point of view. there is no radiological or even and not even significant consequences. the, the symmetry seems endless. a real city of the dead, where it's very easy to get lost. similar graveyards now exist in iraq and afghanistan. they may soon appear in ukraine with thousands of square kilometers of already being contaminated with deadly dust. for the next 4 and a half 1000000000 years the to welcome back across ok, we're all things are considered. i'm peter le, about your mind. you were discussing godsa the

okay, let's go back to our guest ramsey in seattle here. ok, midwest thing at the end of the 1st part of the program. i'll use my word, but the continuity that we see through administrations here. trump is this a compass, trump. he's an oddity uh and he's, he's turning into a historic figure, maybe not for the right reasons that i tend to think that's true. but, you know, he's using real estate as a cover. most other presidents, a humanitarian, it's of our democracy, all this other stuff that we've gotten so tired of here, but the, the outcome is exactly the same. there is a continuity from biden to do to drum comes just more open about it. and he thinks he's actually doing humanity a favor by moving these people to like a motel 6 around the corner in a eminent domain style here. and. and that's a cover that's a cover for genocide and his and if he will,

they move forward with his plan as well. whatever it is, how you got a formulated. it also essentially means the genocide continues a mr digit. indigenous stock has been taking business. 1948 and stopped as early as 1953. if i remember correctly, it was when the americans were pushing for the so called roger pants. and that's the idea of pushing, you know, the palestinians out of gaza through the say 9 does the field because if i'm assuming as a garza refused to, to do it again. and i get 6 or 7 under the, the that, you know, in class. and again, in the early 19 seventy's under the sharon class and none of these plans have work now that trump is trying to be clever about it and trying to give it some sort of a few minutes. so you saw the end of the day, it makes no difference. it also makes no difference for palestinians who and i have been is if you wish is as been a city as being fired out or, or living under is a,

be a bombs. it doesn't matter to us whether these bones are being provided by a democratic administration or by the public and administration at the end of the deal, or american bombs. and it's just american sustained junior site. so this is the reality of it. i'm assuming is i'm not buying into it. i photo social media, but includes the time goes on. most people are just making fun of the notion though, just creating all of these incredible comedy and the notion of from trying to do what is what it has to be on to do, of course, to be to 6th or 7th to 7. yes. and peter, if i can just get back into something that rumsey mentioned there, i mean, for 76 years, i see says israel's tried to forcibly displeased palestinians. and even 15 months of genocide with complete diplomatic cover in god, the they've failed. and the reason they failed, just to really emphasize this from doesn't understand that this is what indigenous people do. yeah,

they remain on the land because the land is not just where they happen to live. it's not a condo, it's who they are. and you know, when we see more than 70 percent of the victims of israel's genocide being women and children, that is by design, that is not an accident. that is to prevent further generations, best of what i need in which they're waging this war. and lastly, i just want to say, as far as pathetic as trump can appear, what we saw in the last few days and this week is the white house press. secretary, insist that the real evil per word. isn't that us an israel turning on garza turning it into an unbelievable wasteland. but genocide is not the evil but that surviving the genocide and insisting whether the palestinians themselves insist for others that they remain in their homeland. but that somehow is the real evil. i mean to green light, the bombs fund, the destruction, and then act shocked when the result looks like a post apocalyptic wasteland. i mean the words,

the admissions. i mean that not so bright. to put it like the white house press. secretary admitted that israel using us weapons, has made god's uninhabited. oh no, no, no, they didn't. they didn't, admitted. that's what that's what's really amazing. they, they, if you look at the rhetoric coming out of the press corps and the white house and trump and you know, it sounds like a natural disaster hit the place they, they never mentioned how it was turned into rubble. and the 1st like the know what the world knows that i agreed ali it. trump is repeatedly said that countries like jordan and egypt are on board the saudis. remarkably, this, the saturday for and ministry at 4 o'clock in the morning that somebody was agitated, came out and said, now there must be a palestinian state. what is trump talking about? i mean, does he have that kind of leverage? i mean, both states, jordan and egypt are very fragile places,

there under america's thumb can can come get his way ali, the 1st of all, i think that when from spoke these words, they weren't very carefully considered hardly. even some of these pains weren't aware of what he was going to say. so sorry, i didn't get much thought, i think, to the repercussions what the impact of what you said on that this is what trump blogs for the way you know. he promotes the mad man theory not from unpredictable person. and i think he's enjoying of the attention which is being given to these statements regardless of whether or not the plan is going to be far from or not. and it has to be a question. i think egypt and jordan will be, will categorically reject any such proposals because this for preston, they've already in existence of these got been seen both these 2 countries set a ravia as well. i think you can say goodbye to any possibility for normalization.

with history on shore to trump follow through on his plan. so there are many, many major obstacles which could prevent from, from doing it. they don't have leverage with these countries, but they also, i think have blackbridge, which they can use. now, our country is usually don't use the leverage. i can see americans at this time because they have very existence, the security of the governments will be at stake. it might be given to a change of the bar, the right of these countries that they come in and they become closer to, although he jeer political arrivals like russia and china. so i think should um, trump squeeze these nations that could very well be very damaging to your with interest and leave the us to losing some very valuable allies just quickly about the continuity between administrations and the, the, by the ministration picked up where trump less talk with you, hey, we're having the phones and try them also to mobilize tories between the saudis and

the use rate is how it would be and, and successfully. so there was a continuance and i think that um, but the proposal put forward by trump was just an unconventional language which we saw before, which was used by other administrations that there might be using a soft a ton. one final point is that this isn't a good policy for the us. it's not good for you with reason, interest, and it's also no politics because or to remember according to recent opinion, polls, cumberland, harris, the main reason she lost, that's right. was my demonstrations were on go so. so trump isn't doing it himself . i think any good if he were to follow through on this plan? yeah. been around so it was really was interesting again, the optics of watching the 2 leaders in the white house sitting together companies taking on all of the risk. nothing. yeah. who takes no risk, said oh i, i find it very strange, a strat? i mean, he's a business man, that's a very strange business strategy. go ahead,

ramsey as well. i mean it think about it based on how this lady he but we get particular reporting on this. nothing. he a whole goes as a field leader who's even battled in his own country. the military is in tatters, is a big, big problem as well, politically and militarily. and he called us back at 5 pm sent to me that we'd be beat up and all the, you know, of thinking about to be joining the government again. this is the gift up front, but the sort of temporary gift of bethany who built the sense of try it before when he called muscle, when, when he called the other kind of study and, and everybody's leaders of the always feel that temporary sense of victory. but it disappears quite quickly, but what we have actually benefited from this is that this sense of ownership, i think is very important. and then you'll raise the question about the media. the way that the media is handling this issue is what is the deal that we owe on display?

so we owe on this concept the way the top space of ownership is picks up by the real estate point to view what american politicians and, and, and, and, and jo strategist actually don't thing can be done because the design it from the rest of the middle east is this the difference is that from spaced about it in a very cool sense of colonialism, the way that the, the belgians under king, the vehicle perceived that the, for example, this is ours. we will sold it out. and so which someone needs to tell the americans that the world has changed. you are no longer living these days of you don't have all the keys and you cannot control and meet on the face of gaza anymore, nor the face of the middle east. you know, i created one of those very creepy. it's cringe things about netanyahu's visit. he gave a page here to trump a very publicly that's so cringed as they be. that means something to people like our, our selves that in, in the region in the middle east itself. but, you know,

all around the world that is one of the most terrific things you can do. it's almost like, almost never use this word. it's almost as evil. i know it would be under being evil. it's normal. i mean, let's call it what it is. it's normalizing terrorism, just like the media celebrated what this form is, the i a director, clearly called the master event and 11 on when, you know israel did explode all those pages and killed many, many civilians. and then in addition to some uh, resistance fighters, i do just want to say on that note it should also be noted and said very plainly, the name yahoo! himself is playing with fire. he's humiliated america this week he made trump look like his serve and quite frankly, and the mainstream media to you earlier points that can spin it all the like. but the american people are slowly waking up to the fact that no matter which party wins, as has been said on this program, somehow israel always stays in charge. and i think the american people are actually

much like all of us growing tired of this reality. i mean, the crime that trump declared so probably in plainly let's just be, you know, legal about it. it's a crime born out of imperial lawlessness. but it's the crime of force displacement . and you know, when you permanently drive and indigenous population off their homeland in mass scale and you replaced it with the settlers. perhaps that might speak to america's origin story to a genocide, but maybe a whole host of other nations. but we all know that beyond it being morally reprehensible, i think right now it's a litmus test for the 100. well, i yeah, but i'll come in and have to end on this note here. and the entire western civilizational experiment is on trial here and its failing, it's failing very badly, and donald trump will be its head figure if things continue the way they are gentlemen. that's all the time we have a one. it's like my guess in seattle, dubai, and in bay road. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our see, see you next time. remember,

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the, [000:00:00;00] the a i'm actually understand see, and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. in the heart of a, me least stunned into understanding what is reading the usa of long had in store for palestine wheel. donald trump national security advisor, mike will be fine. does he already be inside? saudi arabia was swift to attack drums planned to ethnically cleanse guys, even though it was in the middle of the night. saturday time when the us president

sitting beside israel's netanyahu. so to defacto d, stabilize egypt and jordan with millions of refugees as expected vessel states in europe with no sufferings with muted but trumps. erroneous claim that saudi arabia no longer thinks about a city and state, also and good china, russia and nato. remember tech a, this is trump facilitated ukraine bombing of russia, bones, somalia, and signed it ordered to approve bombing iran will that in a week that arguably saw a trump uprooting the c. i a, and shelving the globally destructive u. s. a. i the agency that he a veteran kind of learns wilkinson is in full, it's george virginia. he was chief of staff with us state department validated by monica rubio. when nato power has invaded the rock, kind of thanks so much for coming on a ride off the top. i suppose i better ask you despite all the relief about usa i d . what you thought of that press conference in the white house with the alleged wall criminal netanyahu? the trump gave way outlined,

possible ethnic cleansing route for gaza. frankly, i didn't think that i could be in the future storm to buy anything. the material bombastic character, donald trump said, but i was, this is, this is just such a flagrant violation of the read space to order if you will, that we fashion, particularly the international law. part of it. there's just stunning, absolutely, studying. i think this special effort to her all the needs said correctly, if you wanted to break every law possible to be broken, he did. except while you ins measure up or to or i'll give you a fail to create to cease fire. and i know i get criticized with the left as if i'm some trump supports it. yeah. it was trump that allowed the children of guys had to sleep for the 1st time up to 15 months with that aerial bombardment. i mean it's the genocide and of course some people to kindly looking on this is saying now is