received funding from the us, the id, the western model, if we can, all makes is, builds on i forget having the specific economic rule, which is to be a place where the place that isn't targeted by he was a wood and jaws of what's basically nothing more than that, it's a place where it's economic involved visiting global economies, basically to be at least of miles of sol, solved minerals or supply of crude oil on the supply of cash crops. and they may be supply of cheap to my labor as well, and nothing more. yeah, well, don't forget what for my use spokesman. joseph burrell commented last year about the people of africa. he basically said they all need to have their heads reprogrammed. but why? because burrell, during a visit to africa, was horrified to witness. i have a lead pro russian sentiment across the continent with some local saying, put in the saved on bass. now he will come and save for one day the youth spokesman didn't like that. one bit questionable with us is out to you in

the the time actually understands and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. in the heart of a middle east stand into understanding what is reading the usa of long had in store for palestine wheel. donald trump's national security advisor, mike was be fired, is he already being fired? saudi arabia was swift to attack trump's plan to ethnically cleanse guys. i even though it was in the middle of the night, saturday time when the us president sitting beside israel,

is netanyahu. so to defacto destabilize, egypt and jordan with millions of refugees as expected vassal states in europe and no sovereignty were muted by trumps erroneous claim, that saudi arabia no longer thinks the palestinian states also and good china, russia. and they to remember turkey. this is trump facilitated ukraine bombing of russia, bomb somalia, and signed in order to approve bombing iran. well that in the week that i'll be so trump operating the c i a and shelving the globally destructive usa. i. the agency that he a veteran kind of learns wilkinson is in full students, virginia. he was chief of staff with us state department now led by monica rubio, when nato power has invaded the rock tunnel. thank so much for coming on right off the top. i suppose i better ask you this bible to really provide usa id what you thought of that press conference in the white house with the alleged wall criminal netanyahu. the trump gave way outlined,

possible ethnic cleansing route for gaza. frankly, i didn't think that i could be in the future stand by anything but look, curio bombastic character donald trump said, but i was, this is, this is just such a flagrant violation of the read space to order if you will, that we fashion, particularly the international law part of it. there's just stunning, absolutely starting. i think there's a special effort to her all the needs said correctly. if you wanted to break every law possible to be broke and you did. except while you and special weapon to argue really failed to create, to cease fire. and i know i get criticized with the left as if i'm some trump supports it. yeah. it was trump that allowed the children of guys have to sleep for the 1st time up to 15 months with that aerial bombardment. and it's the genocide. and of course, some people to kindly looking on this as saying now is real cars start up the

bombing image, these different processes of the cease fire agreement because it's the united states land now was this wasn't a humanitarian jester. vital, this was strictly transactional, could go to the jared cushion or dream of a gaza with hotels drop hotels, probably. and other assets or trump likes featured on the mediterranean. say this, i have nothing to do with humanitarian instincts or empathy or seem to be even and now we're seeing the reality of it. i think the reality of it, however, is the military professional. i have to tell you is not only reasonable, it's extremely dangerous. as well, if it really was jared questionnaire and a bank of trump's idea. as you imply there it is reasonable because there's no way i mean you might have to remind or what he is. what exactly, he said as regards we, he didn't rule out us troops on the ground to god this perhaps future trump hotel

projects in gaza. but while saying that the 2000000 people in guys of which somehow became 1.81.6000000, i don't know whether that was an admission that half a 1000000 to being wiped out by british american european union on bombing over the past 15 months. but some o u. s. troops are going on the ground there. um i go back to colon barrel statement to me on a number of occasions throughout about a decade period. putting us forces on the ground in the law, in a serious for portion that is to say, not just did air force spaces and pass through facilities as we're having to wait. but on a serious basis, war fighting capable basis would be the greatest mistake the united states could make with regard to the law. and possibly with regard to its global position period . old power was right. you do not. and h w bush actually said this to,

in the presence of his then sector defense. richard cheney, you do not stop me into that calls or i will not put us forces on the ground there to stay because all they will be is a disaster waiting to happen. yeah, so i mean, yeah, they would also cost trillions of dollars and it's all going to happen then. and so some other, the other huge question. huge question re, dexter phil cans. just released article in the new yorker magazine. a huge question . where is he going to get these american troops? he's already given northern command, a warning order to seal the southern border. given 3 army divisions, at least for gauge of 2 and a whole division was the 10th mountain orders to go to the southern border. those troops could only cover maybe a 100 kilometers that of that border. there's 3150 kilometers in that border. where

is he going to get these american soldiers? we don't ever dry up. we have a volunteer force. it's falling apart, even as i speak is the extra tokens article points out graphically. whereas you're going to get these forces. is it going to hire private contractors? like i understand right now, and i have video proof of it apparently from a person who is walking along with the palestinians. who are you for it? even though they were passing through the nazarenes border in the devastation into a more skate they were you for it about going home and on their flights were american hired security contractors, making sure the israelis didn't take advantage of the passage and kill even thousands more. so where are we going to get these 4 c? so you go to higher, higher eric prince and a bunch of private contractors. this is a disaster waiting to happen in dollars by actually doing it from the oval office, but avenue on. so yourself, you said these transactional, it called happened, the troops aren't going to be back guiding you the trump investments that the

american people want to go for that. so if it is transactional, it will be with the wrong information being provided to him from like waltz, perhaps because as you say that he understands me when he go dealing, my goals has gone when he realizes the, well, it's presumably is the guy telling him saudi arabia or is fine with no palestinian state. i mean, it was very, very late. the release time for the far enough as to bob, what are the saudi arabians going, what are you talking about? basically an immediate response to this outrage all around here. and uh, well, it's presumably telling him the palestinians. they don't want to return, they shouldn't return when it goes on. hundreds of thousands have been returning over the past few days to know them guys, it's all wrong. information is being fed. the word is on the street this morning early about 7 am. the vaults has gone. i don't know if that's accurate, but that's the word on the street. when they, there is a mandate. there's

a history of a national security advisors going quickly. we had john bolton on the other week of course, and hope to get mike flynn, who was the 1st one. so that should hopefully signal that trump react very quickly to uh when he's being made a fool out of i would think so i said earlier, right after the election that there wouldn't be a single one. if they did pass, go with the senate and, and get confirmed there wouldn't be a single one that is major cabinet, a point, days or a reasonable facsimile 2nd tax. i'm always there. all that lasted not much at all the go. that's donald trump, at least to uh, he said that ron was not a week position. so i'm allowed claiming to buy administrator. and for that on like what say, lindsey graham and bizarre of people in your congress talk about when they, with respect to iran and the,

the possibility of an invasion you're on is just sign that russia deal. you know, with just show the military cooperation been around has been showing of new weaponry that at least looks off the table. it's just going to be graded with way to sanctions. although trump obviously hasn't been told about bricks and then say where i'm talking to you from the you a is now part of a system, a new new drooping with a run. so i think this is one thing that i would say is fairly assured in my mind, at least a trump is a gaze, is a us use of force or real force against the wrong. i'm taking out an occasion or on the, on his he did with the r g. c is one thing, but taking our honors quite another i think he's been given the full breezing by different people or different types from the pentagon on how desperate the circumstance that would great in the united states. not just because we're so lawfully short of people in our military,

but also because our industrial base is woefully inadequate. we've taken some measures to remedy that, but it's going to take a while is going to take a couple of years before we even begin to get going on that. so we don't need to be taking on any more substantial commitments and iran would be a very substantial commitment. 10 years, 2 or 3 trillion dollars, lots of troops of conscription process a draft. in other words, and many young people in america go into canada and mexico, who will be the president as being said by men? yeah, well i'll give leave with you actually just in the highlighted place and making uninhabitable rather than actually occupying, you know, taking it over. and trump talks about maximum streams using this phrase maximum. and then the to the pretty poor journalists, arguably, especially at that net and you know, a press conference kind of us who will options on the table is a threatening get run with aerial bombardment. or i don't think there's anything

that trump won't say as a threat, but i find it very difficult to believe from past experience is 1st term for example, in the fall through most of those threats. he is purely transactional. he has no entity whatsoever and very little sympathy, but i don't think he is taking or of the consequences of some of the more drastic actions that they didn't. even he occasionally puts forward and understands what kind of damage it would do to him and then go to re. so i don't think he's going to do anything egregious and that for are too many people around him to at least tell him that he's naked on a bob say some of these things. so i just don't think he's got to do something like that. i don't think he likes war at all and i don't think he understands what he's saying. sometimes when he talks about things that those of us who are at least somewhat schooled in it know will probably lead to more will lead to more piece simply doesn't believe that until someone sits down with him,

with some temerity and courage intentionally. as the pentagon has done repeatedly about or with the wrong, so he's not netanyahu's poodle memory modeled since poodle. i think the yahoo is far too. i think i've said there's a number of times i think marriage, i'm, or mall are wrong in terms of a pack, and it's an influence. there's no question that the jewess lobby has influence and significantly on the congress. but israel is our poodle. they are doing precisely at various times what we want them to do and have been doing that since 1948 when they started out as the british poodles to do the reading, got a file of the united states fairly quickly. we took over its imperial rear and ever since then with increasing frequency and blood thirsty news, israel has been doing our job in the law. and isn't that the point though, that it's so refreshing to have a person like donald trump in the white house,

who says it how, how it is rather than was using wiki leaks to release a memo of lincoln, no, jake sullivan. the previous national security advisor sending things to hillary clinton, telling them l. kaiser is on the side of the united states. he dropped patello stump patel the american people of their tax dollars was paying. okay. the yeah, the rafters are off. the disguise has gone down to offices exposure very well. good, and i'll stop you that more from before, but you have stuff in the us state department after this break the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the lords wilkinson, former chief of staff of the us state department, a cut while we were talking about the refreshing nature of at least uh some uh,

one in the white house, being candid county uh, ken trump force egypt in jordans hand. about the $12000000.00 refugees of egypt and jordan, and previously always done with washington, have told them to can actually do that even though it does cause the stabilize both those countries. and he has a lot of leverage on both cairo and a mom more. so i'm cairo, i understand now this is a fairly low source of the egyptian military would not be paid if it were not for the united states largest go into egypt. i'm sure that is probably even an access to the 3.6 or 3700000000. we give them routinely to bribe them to keep the base trade with israel and for all mile on. it's probably not equivalent amounts, but it's equivalent to fact. so there's a lot of influence the united states can exercise there, but it only goes so far. i mean, you're talking about the king and i'm on,

for example, losing control of his country. if you know even a 1000000 of those 2 to plus whatever 1000000 guys and suddenly appeared in jordan and added to the already 6 or $7000000.00, he has to look after it'd be an untenable situation for him. so he's going to be forced to make a hard decision, but i suspect he will make it to balance the money with the problem. and that's not going to do anybody, any good. it'll be a half solution if you will. yeah, king of the do in washington and to me jump on tuesday. of course. uh, usa id was a big decision. see a decisions as well offering to everyone in the c ha, all around the world, the, the offer to reside and get 8 months a salary. i suppose one, the i want to get on to ukraine in a moment. what was your immediate reaction? you might have to remind the audience of some of the egregious things you as

a ideas done over the years because most recently the funding of factories about history and china regarding gain a function code with research. but you must have been you must have known us as a id intimately at the state department under. uh, colin powell, i certainly did. aid was under andrew not sales at that time. and i watch the transition and transform ation in u. s. a. it would form an organization of fundamentally bureaucrats, civil service and foreign service running development programs in various countries in the world, in accordance with us express policy. to be a few of those people. very few of those people managing a horde of private contractors. and that's the u. s. 8 of today. so frankly, is marco rubio and dollar from want to change that entirely. i would stay in the street in the blog because what the did was turn us aide into

a fountain of complicity with intelligence services and other n g o's. and quite all groups. quite a lot of government groups whose intent either known to them or unknown to them because they were infiltrated by the c. i was over throw government. how would you ride samantha power is a bit sure. she of course, was an administrator usa. i the after being ambassador in the u. n. for your country. i don't think samantha power knew the half before i just said. in fact, there are very few people outside the government center use, or who know what the united states is doing in places like georgia where it is now trying to over throw the georgia dream party, which has a tenuous hold on power and wants to maintain a balance between nato in one direction in moscow and the other they're trying to over throw that government. they're working on collins or just grew in romania so he won't get elected. they're trying to cast the election against him. so because

he's threatened to take romania out of nato, this is what we're doing today all over that region. trying to recruit allies in this vicious struggle that we're behind in ukraine to bleed russia. and we want more l, as in doing that, particularly georgia and romania, and anybody else smoke global that we can get to come into the fight with us at their peril. look at georgia, look at what clinton did the last time we tried this with my president who went at the blazing and stood beside president, president, soccer civilian, said george, you would be a member of nato in the very near future. invited to of cause you and south a set you and a piece they all has tension or control over those. next time he'll go all the way to blue. see? yeah, they were referendums there. of course. as the russian say, i think you're crediting too much ignore instead of samantha power. i think on going on that we've been covering you as

a id massively in the same vein is national endowment for democracy because you're intimating there with you as a id did in 2014 with the victoria near linda in the may then cool, but i mean this is great, isn't it? i mean that's on the down for the walk. so you can reminder audience, what these organizations mean doing is regards to not democracy promotion, reducing democracy. i mean, well, it's the new form of this be. there was a new arm of this, a very sophisticated armor, the ca, sometimes they, you know, they are all there. and there have been objections from time to time, from professionals, within the groups. but most of the time they don't know who they are because they've been infiltrated, and sometimes they don't even have to be humans themselves, right? it's just the policies and the money to themselves, rights and the objectives that blow their from. and so they become an arm of the see, i mean, clearly folks, news and the like, the dollars from watch is concentrating on the wall guy, the old. yeah. lemons. but it's old because the when the little musk during open

the books, he was shocked at the amount of money to the american people realize the scale of the money while their own infrastructure and bridges and basic a civilian up in august textures corroding. understand how much money this ending, overseas do destroyed democracy in the stabilize countries. the majority of the american people, particularly the 77000000 that voted for donald trump and the 90000000. apparently they didn't vote at all. or what i would call with regard to the maintenance of their country and their republic and their security ultimately brained it, uh for the debt to that. it ranges the gamut from. they don't deal with them to. they haven't the knowledge nor the education to deal with them. and we're in trouble because of that, we have a very, very, an educated public, probably the most fun educated public in the o, e. c. d. countries in the developed countries period. and that contributes mightily to the ability of people like you must j,

the vance theater deal. and peter deal now talking about taking back south africa for why people as it contributes mightily to their ability to put things over on the american people. and to do things that later when they reveal to the light of day, same absolutely mom level. but even then the american people don't seem to have a whole lot of objections. as long as i doesn't read down personally to their inability to watch taylor swift organ nfl football game or whatever else might still like them. that's what they're really interested in. and i'm not saying that because i'm mad at the american people, i'm saying that because it's a reality, it's a stark reality. we have not taken care of our democracy. we are now taking care of of democracy and you pay for that. you pay for that? well, trump got the popular vote in fans to be american people, but then trump also, while uh, trying to an i lady usa, i the saw the talking about the need to get ukraine's rarer at the metals in

a similar vein to real estate in garza does it have mean that there's a quid pro quo because, i mean, i know we're both laughing about that, but it's being a lead full week for russia. he's be the talking program. got to him. once i a lindsey ram, got to it is all as critical minerals. you see what's happening and so there's laughter right now these people are killing each other over these critical minerals, goes anybody will bomb from them and pay them top price. so it's not gold or silver or any of those things that the balancing drift of central africa over it's now critical miles and those clinical mentos are fundamentally not totally, but fundamentally they're in the eastern part of ukraine, which russia now invest. so you got a problem, donald, if you want to stop the grading and more and you won't those critical minerals at the same time unless you've been taught burden and this would be smart. this is the transactional president, you get on a plane, you go to moscow, you sit there with the new work out a deal,

and then the deal is more work out some provisions for you're getting your share of the critical minutes from there and you don't kill anybody and you stop the war 3 smaller president would do that, but i don't know if we have a pretty smart person. i mean, over the dead bodies of the scale of destruction in ukraine. it's unbelievable that such a transactional policy could be even thought about. but there's no doubt trump right now, whether he knows it or not, through the military, you're 30 year military veteran yourself. the united states has been facilitating what in this as a nation in russia, killing the attack drones into russia. it's going on. it's still going on is the nature of apparently has a sign, an executive orders error this morning. i haven't seen the executive order, but sign an executive order that sells his posterity. if it were honest fascinated, seem to bomber on you can make this stuff up. the hollywood director would throw

you out of his room and that's what he said at the press conference that the whole of iran would be presumably nuclear bombed. if he was assassinated, which presumably would only be part of the radium policy because he's not allowing around them, usually weapons in iran anyways, as they know one. thus ensuring the hard line is in geron. just say we do one nuclear weapons. well i watch draws researchers one of the few people in the around the entire p. now that i listen to and pay attention to at the devil's on. um, when he was being interviewed, i think it was by uh, 3. is that correct? it's a car. yeah. and if you read between the lines of was the re said he was saying, will do it to you. i'm on president trump will do the will, gave you the deal to century will give you a deal that doesn't have a 25 year sunset will give you a deal where we will at least admit to talking about other issues like our boost

and ma'am ballistic missiles and so forth, we'll give you a do, let's do it here. and then you can go back to saudi arabia and you can say, you got a deal or honors not going to be in a power. i assure you to do work. and we can go ahead with the elongated extended and much more expensive abraham on towards that mohammed been solomon has in mind that's at the bottom of some of this. the trump is talking about with regard to god . but the saudis are not going to go all of that and he's just walked right in the bus. so if he thinks they are. yeah, and the raining government though, seemingly desperate for this deal because the separating palestine from the j. c. p, a new j. c. buick and u. k. a deal but just find the balance of the most serious a element of world policy, a nuclear disarmament of. apart from all of these transactional, bizarre will be a dangerous conflict. can we expect the most important element between food and and

trump will be the resumption of some kind of uh, start treaty some kind of treaty to restore a nuclear arms reduction to make live safer. certainly should be. and if i did make that trip to moscow, sit down with the agent. by the way, i'd go back even waited zalinski and hope that when i flew back and came over to you, he would have been assassinated anyway, i would say to food and oh, by the way, we're through with this new and pretty much now we need to talk about not just a bottle at or treaty in this new girl arms smoothness, but a multi lateral treaty. you drag north korea and, and all drag israel in. we need all non nuclear weapons opening states to be in this multilateral treaty was your name that you and i are going to forge and take the credit for. oh yeah, we can run over to beijing and gives you using, paying a little bit of credit for it too, because we need him also. but let's forge a new treaty environment that is, you know, pretty,

pretty robust and will work most of the lease and hope the time it doesn't work is not the end of the world. and let's get a handle on these most dangerous weapons, which, by the way, you and i possess about 10000 all that would be a real old, historical achievement and a marker for his presidency. i hope you would think that way about it, but i don't know because i don't think his advisors any of think that what those are gathered. she could be an exception. you're right. she could be an exception to larry well, because and thank you. sure. so that's it for the show will be returning to guys on monday to further explore the reverberations of u. s. u. k. u, i'm genocide told him to be the by not to about his book being jewish after the destruction of gaza, a reckoning until then keeping touch my will as social media of his thoughts as a video country that want channel going on, going to be hon dot com to watch new and old episodes of going underground scene

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you ready to come along the top of the headlines here with all the international, another hostage swap between hamas and israel is set to take place any moment. now, as we cover the developments here on our team, we speak with a palestinian man who was released earlier about why he and others were imprisoned in the 1st place. under the wash, i was a military activist, but there were others who arrested simply for expressing rejection. of the occupation, the throwing stones or participating in a demonstration that can settle this or the law. the russian miniature defense analysis are key stronghold and they don't get square public is liberated from ukrainian forces. most of us as tens of thousands of key ups troops have been taken out of a fight for this regional logistics.