one day, do you know the south african minister we'd montage or use quoting for old mineral exports to america to be stopped? speaking at a mining conference in cape town this week he said that even be then i'm going to pay us. then i'm going to get all the goods and by the way, he said after that should not be afraid of friends coming out of the post of an oldest, devising story, say to online and on at their at out. see, we've looked at the the hello and welcome to, well, it's a part of the know the ration of donald trump has usher, then a couple of new phrases intervene. geo political for an actually in addition to

familiar references to create deals, he's officials in pricing. we talk about diffusion of ideas and human florida. she, what's the name for the rest of us as to trump is making its trumpeting re entry onto the global stage of to discuss that. i'm now joined by chevy. of hon. rector of alton boss university in turkey. professor sean is great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you. now the trump administration has come in with a big bang more than 50 executive orders signed in less than a week. most of them with a marker. what's your impression of this new teams so far? exactly. sure. to be aware that it's not new, it's the 2nd term of the trump administration for the people around him are quite different this time. yes, he changed, but i think he has some experience from his previous post in the white house as well. and he has some job that's were stopped by to buy them at the station.

so that will be a continuation of the previous to, but they're submitting you at ideas. and these ideas not is only about the domestic politics of the united states, but also about the economy, but also about the global economy and global the international system. so now we're at the beginning of a new era, as well as i understand. and trump is started to cost form the system, both in the united states and the work as a trustee though seems to be very show we on the, on the surface. but so far, he has had most of his cabin is no minis approved by the congress. he is also managed to reach some tentative international deals with mexico, with the panama. so, so far it seems that he's doing well. what do you think are going to be the main

challenges of his administration? if 1st of all, we should be of the mind that the united states system and the executive power is balanced by congress. therefore, so we don't know whether the congress, both the senate and the house of representatives would improve trumps policy. you know, at least for the time being for the next 2 years. we know that he has the winter to the, the west system is quite different than the continental european system. so whether the majority, both the chambers of the congress is republicans, if doesn't necessarily mean that or because we'll approve his policies. so it is the number one question, the other one that the united states is not the alone invest. and birth a you of us has elyse both in nature in europe and other with other places of to vote. therefore, a from the 1st moment. so if he's prison, cvc,

there are some reactions, some criticism from a, it's elyse, a boss in europe and the middle east and asia. therefore, we do not see at the action that can result as the plants conclusion that may be some of stick us on the wrong. you wrote that one of the main focuses for trump and the tax. a restore garcia around him will be trying to gather all the artificial intelligence technology in the world with them center. it's within the united states to create their sort of a new warm off of global feudalism in its uh, digital interpretation. do you think that's possible or is that a realistic project at this point of time, we are not only at the trash hold off at the lock in international relations, but also instrumental because if you look back to the,

let's say 3000 to use a different magnitude developed in all aspects, from economy to me, to tell you to health, etc, but not often they will, once they're in such an event. this destiny has witnessed within the last 10 years and each and every moment we have these technological improvements needed inventions which will delete everything and we'll change everything and view the task for me. everything was i made a, it was an on order oci. and that's icons pay at the meet a use, the last thing you see a system of $5.00 and what is going on now in the less than the european system offensive. and there was an emperor and with the emperor and the kings, and the lots and the service that was an unwritten cool nation, or compromise that they had them some responsibilities to each other. there was

a hierarchy essentially what yes, there was. the guy was a higher i can, there was a reason, a commitment to each other. let's say when i will damper us for the say soldiers thinks we're sending them and then were there was a legacy problem between the kinks. then emperor will fold up towards the end, and that's what i like about your idea of, uh, sort of new rendition of global feudalism is that essentially you are arguing that the west or the united states will try to reimpose the system once again, onto the world in the digital form. now the question that i have at is whether 1st of all i find it's rather paradoxical that it's the united states that would be trying to do those things because this country was born out of the idea to break out of the imperial. and you know, you would be in kingship, feudalism mentality, but now they're sort of spearheading that transformation you up again. but the biggest question that i have in my mind is whether this is

a new form of globalization, essentially in the digital form. because the americans a want to keep the control over the entire system and be, and they want still to a rating all the profits for themselves. okay, try to history the government of powers, let's say, seems a sci fi century best thing. you can powers like spain, pork and go, the doctor probably didn't change which empire and united states. they had some tools to control the global system, like a very big army, strong army control and the economy controlling the trade routes. and using theory, language has lingua franca and exporting to day or wall to other states. now there's an addition to this day in east too much estate, gosh. where were the also take? notice she who were you lots to take tony in contrast to victoria,

she come to us to go see here talking about artificial intelligence. the if you feel intelligence, only it is technology as a whole team really intelligently is the most important component of it adds is, of course, and all of these, yes, speaking the about learning artificial intelligence mechanisms. now i agree with you that's for the last 500 years. that's what he or p and powers did. both with imposing the customs di lost the values that technology onto the other countries. but one would argue that the world has changed. and there many of the nations who are developing not only that for version of our to so, so intelligence and sort of testing it on the, in the own languages in their own cultural values. but they also have a new sense of their own identity. give them these a new level of technological proficiency, or bothers on the wall. can sense of, you know, national 5 national identity. do you think they would be,

want to be broad under these and you know, new feudal role. meet the keyword, both in the previous field rules and the even the emerging quan is the content. i mean, nothing can be done possibly forever. it wouldn't if you have the strongest army, as you mentioned, to people, the nations can resist against your in positions of them are we see many of the nations seeing that the leaders in the system who for schools and co browse tools can give you some benefit of therefore, we have seen at emotions of content, nation swollen to really say yes, we see you as a leader of this new set them down the nations. right. not all of them, of course, they say we will until we see you as the leader,

as the beep brother of this new system. he will benefit from it and he will benefit from it. so that's why i made the analogy with the for the listen. it is not to read them anywhere. it is not read any of the chapter of the united nations charter . save old nations, small or beat are echoes, but now they're somewhat more equal than the other. so i think that's arguable. but um, i wanna ask you this terms, decree on removing obstacles to the us leadership in the field. the 1st official intelligence i think is very interesting and worth it because on the one hand it uses leadership in dominance. as total synonyms, they're used interchangeably and then it also states that the goal of these primacy that the americans are buying to preserve is to promote human flourishing. this is the phrase that i see. i hear people around trump use a lot to human flourishing. how do you understand it? what do you think they mean when they keep appealing to 1st, if you have to see it,

that's it. it is not found origin of emission to take some the most about that if you're going to the tennessee 1st, bided biden's, immunization in its final base. they buy them signs a degree and pass the bills about artificial intelligence and youth would all most the exclusively div folder, right? so fact if your shipment is intelligent, the united states and both countries which united states i love trump is now taking gifts further. and say's ok if you are with me to develop artificial intelligence. i can share this with you as much as i want to share, but if you go and do it enter into some kind of partnership with other countries such as china. so you're against. therefore, this is

a top type international relations understanding because previously me, so the same think good either with me or against me. absolutely, but it's a to some extent only in language, it's a wishful thinking that the americans want to have done and then they want to have dominance. that's what they say that we want to control. but the question is whether the of the nation's actually getting the benefits rather than a being sold the rhetoric about the benefits. you see that the distinction here in your estimate estimation of the trump administration. so if i do think they will deliver the goodies that they promise, i don't know it's up to the countries because many of the country schools they enter into a compromise between united states. well it's, it's a compromise to sell the national sol, essentially. is it the, i don't think so, it depends on the system of all the regime of this country. i mean, in some countries and what the case about the people's so the on the paint,

the full think off the government is to keep their seats. so if they got on the protection from united states then thinking you what the united states wants and it is also valid for other countries. so these kind of relationship is not only between the united states and these some countries, but also between some other countries. some say okay, do you want to sit on your seat is a freaking company. ok team it is mine and let's say license and i will protect you . so this is an rule. i mean it's a, it isn't, that's maybe a little. it isn't. that's maybe it within the international in, in the if there's a practice of international relations. well, uh versus, or how it's a practice of this program to take a short break in the middle. but we will be back in just a couple of minutes statement. the

the welcome back to wells, a part with the chubby and hum rector of alton bus university in turkey. and before the break, we just started talking about our artificial intelligence and much has been sad about it, is potentially and radically changing all areas of human activity from employment to social relations. i'm even say personal human relations. i'm here. if you look

at trump, he's somewhat for adults that go because he's also somebody who is in favor of say, safe guarding some traditional human values like you know, traditional views of the gender, traditional views of the marriage, a certain limitations on abortions, etc. and he's also set to be a believer in god and providence as something that allowed him to or survive to assess the nation attempts. now, based on your orientation, because there is no way of knowing that for sure, but based on your intuition, may he be somebody or, you know, make use administration be an actor and that will preserve certain human values and prevent them from either corruption by the new progressive is ethics or buyers to special intelligence for that matter. i hope so, because it's not a problem of american society only. it's a problem of all humanity. and it's not only depending on what mr. trump,

they'll do, but also for other rulers and other legislation. so of all countries that artificial intelligence is like in life, you can cut the bread, you can cut the meat, but you can also to, to, people tend to those will think of it. there's a, the ongoing discussion among the political sciences fulfilled is just everyone, whether technology and his values a can be a rum separately. i mean, to me, let's say for, for, for 100 p is we have such a debate in my country into kia kemi only take the technology off of west and keep our values is also valid for japan, cammie import technology only and keep our val, these in fact, it's very difficult because these both affects each other. so at the very beginning,

the united states and all other countries should make regulations to protect, protect human values who in dignity, a from the use of the current issue. well, this is such an important and also very difficult question because there are many conventions on august human drives, but 3 and so that they have been used as a vehicle to promote quote unquote western values. but since you mentioned the issue of philosophy, i think it's not only fulfill officer, but also find many religious systems. there's a promise that at the core of human humanity, something say, crypt, something that cannot be sold or bought. do you think trump believes in such a notion that there's something that is off limits that cannot be a you know, who may be a part of a big deal then the talking to lease it is something between us and god.

therefore, i don't know. i don't know any, i don't see any implications that she has blink something because of his belief. but he says something politically, he won't, the elections came to power and he has some promises commitments to american people about the american values. i'm making family system and it will other things. but what i am talking, yes. and that's only about the american people all to people living, living in the room, now the air and drink and you h. and in this age machine is learned. and if day i would give machines the fact to st and change something without an order from the few months. what will happen? so from the beginning, it's not 56, you absolutely wonder what that were rated in or shut insights friction. these

become a real, real the, to the of the day. it boils down to a problem of a tool versus an agent. and whether you're giving some of your consciousness, consciousness conscious decision, sol, decisions over to the machine. and it's a, it's a question. i think not even from the governments to make it says right now, we have to take this as in, even if the problem on the tables. we should make 1st national, then international regulations and take any action to prevent future off or generations from the intervals of the unknown because we don't know to up to that a phone call just one year ago. i just, you know, download, it's an active shooting cabbages application within t t months. the speed and the capacity on this times growth and we

do one year. now it is $400.00 times faster. absolutely. but the processor hung, i mean it, some people make it sound very complicated, but at the end of the day is still on your phone. and this how you relate to your children, how you relate to your, you know, parents, your neighbors is still a personal question. and it's done without internet why the inside your mouth only goose knows. i mean, at the personal level, we shouldn't be conscious and be very careful about using this technology. but in nation of levels, it is government's responsibility. now, if you have such a technology, and if the see the, you know, features, then we have to take some measures book and they goes into a nation of levels and any to national level. that's what i am talking about. now i, i still have one question about the, the temp administration i wanted to ask you about the last come,

you are described as embodying the pragmatism of cards in algebra, show here and beat technology supported. impressive. and this of pretty good at us pretend isn't to well as a russian, i'm very much impressed with the 2nd part of the comparison, because i'm keep me aware that it was the presence of a russ put in that the he was ready financial as literally he was very cousins cuz method charismatic and mystical person to deliver and guide you be, me don't know. we only know a little about how he introduced us out. and i think in russia there have been extensive research in that subject. but one thing we know for sure as though it was his presence at the core that led to the down full of these are assembly and ultimately be imperial to russia. as a state. do you think the presence of a even mosque at a donald trump scores would have a similar impact either on donald trump or on america as a he's a very clever guy. that's some or if he's a or targets or escalations are very

a no problem at the for the rest of the traverse. for instance, he was speaking in an interview to i think, can you single and he was asked, oh, you're talking about sending some space rockets to 2 months and create a quote on it. it will take us in years maybe dictates to create it accordingly. and he has it. why don't you think that at the same time i consent, 401004 gets to the most. so she has such an inspiration. so, but old is money. very feel comfortable because it is an investment. yes, we have seen giblets in faddie. come see the you know, projects, but you need the financial resources and it creates resources to reach this solution so far. very successful in funding his own enterprise. well,

i don't know whether it's worth who has it this way? yeah. what's build the american society the think about is if they are a priority to load the information and increase their employment or sending some real customers and create a quote on the dash to now uh, in the last couple of minutes that i have, i want to ask you about um, international politics um you have recently before the trump may attempt to cool down code by lodging. they're putting support in applying a some pressure against china. do you think russia's position on this issue is for sale? i know i'm not talking about selling going buying. i didn't try such a thing. i am thinking that your russia is invest in country from the beginning. you say you're looking country is a part of your family. so i believe it's not very i appreciate that. and actually i

think that assembly, to be honest with, you know, i'm talking about as a, as a to time seen crush as a part of europe. it's searching is also proud of being here. you know, both in years with age and i sent a subject to being proud or full of ice. the reality in the, from previously enough is paul king, that china is united states number one rivals. and maybe you can. so if you are seen china as a and then you want, i mean trump, does he want more elyse around change? or is do you want to take a life of china one by one to cite of united states? i am talking to you about, i understand the logic, but i mean, it's not only about what donald trump ones, it's also about. i hope russia's own vision of itself. goal is the roger sees

itself as a great nation, and that includes, you know, respect of your own interest, but also respect of your own allies and you know, respecting the word, the obligation of course. but if at the end it is a great checkbook. the vert, russia, and united states are the powers. so at the end, when mr. trump mc reporting will meet, they will not only speak about the association. they will speak about the other part so toward as well. and as, as far as i understand from trump's policy, trump's want to pull russia from sight of china to the site. and of course, he has to do something to do this. and russia should also make analyzes, or for east or nation with interest in finding the vases. all countries is moving

their international relations depending on the national interest. absolutely, and i think put in said that on the, on many occasions that she wants to have a friendly relationship with the united states as well as so you know, many of the european neighbors, but russian will not accept any solver and joe political son for an over anything, you know, speaking about what we had talked uh, you know, that your earlier theme of feudalism, do you think it would be a suck to both to the trump administration, to have russia as an equal partner. but not as one of the, you know, subservient, younger brothers. it depends what we'll trump date and what's of the russia test. so it is all international relations history is eh, he's through a 5 minute negotiation. some think is doing something is take. so this is that this very day in the 18th anniversary of delta conference,

the anti fascist airlines. they gather thing yalta. and they want to say considered war against nothing. germany and japan that time united states. so it's unions. i'm a lice against germany. so if you look at the minutes of conferencing, yells and duties of it was not only about the war against germany, it's less about re shaping, convert. they established the united nations. they called for san francisco conference, and then they establish a new york system. therefore, i believe if mr. trump and mr. put team come together and meet and start speak, it will not be only bilateral relations or fresh and united states. but if it will be a much more or less kale off the delegation discussions about the future of developed, can i ask you one last question? you mentioned bargaining, and i enjoy bargaining. a 2 categories are as very much and everybody who has done

it and knows the, the asking price and the sort of the final deal price may be very, very different. do you think child has the capacity of sustaining the bargaining process? not only aggressively pushing for his prize, but also playing alone playing the coal game. when you argue indefinitely and only the end of it come up with some, you know, mutually agreeable solution. does he have b? that's cool. okay. all like at 1st timers, choice the stumble grandfather put in and trump most each other very well. so it's not the starting price anyway. so if they come and negotiate, they know they are my that's will capacities, they empowers what they need. exactly. so it's not like the tourist gun buzz, me a lot to even get the money to a cheaper, cheaper carpet. well, thank you very much for being with us. thank you. and thank you for watching off

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