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the hello and welcome to role is a part of the know the ration of donald trump has usher, then a couple of new phrases intervene geo political for an actual or in addition to familiar references to create deals. he's officials in pricing. we talk about diffusion of ideas and human flourishing. what's the need for the rest of us as to trump? is making its trumpeting re entry onto the global stage of to discuss that. i'm now joined by chevy. of hon. rector of alton boss university in turkey. professor sean is great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you. now the trump administration has come in with a big bang more than 50 executive orders signed in less than a week. most of them with a marker. what's your impression of this new teams so far?

exactly. sure. to be aware that it's not, can you is the 2nd term of the template administration for the people around him are quite different this time? yes, he changed, but i think he has some experience from his previous post in the lighthouse as well . and he has some job that's where the stopped by to the, by the station. so that will be a continuation of the previous to, but they're submitting you at ideas. and these ideas not is only about the domestic politics of the united states, but also about the economy, but also about global economic global, the international system. so now we're at the beginning of a new era, is that as i understand and tom is tied to, to task form the system, both in the united states and the vert as a trust style seems to be very show we on the,

on the surface. but so far he's had most of his cabinets nominees approved by the congress. he is also managed to reach some tentative international deals with mexico, with the panama. so, so far it seems that he's doing well. what do you think? i'm going to be the main challenges of he's administration. yeah. first of all, we should be the mind that the united states system, the executive power, is balanced by congress. therefore, so we don't know whether the congress will, the senate and house of representatives will improve drums policy. so at least for the time being for the next 2 years, we know that he has about 8. i'm only during the, the west system is quite different in the continental european system. so whether the majority, both the chambers of the congress is republicans, it doesn't necessarily mean that or because we'll approve his policies. so it is the number one question,

the other one that the united states is not that long invested birth. you, of us has elyse both in nature in europe and other words, other places of divert. therefore, a from the 1st moment. so if he's been in cvc, there are some reactions, some criticism from a, it's elyse, a boss in europe and the middle east and asia. therefore, we do not see at the action that can result as the plant conclusion. there may be some obstacles on the road you wrote that one of the main focuses for trump and the tack a restore christy around him they'll be, it's trying to gather all the artificial intelligence technology in the world with them center. it's within the united states to create their sort of a new form of a global feudalism in, and it's a digital interpretation. do you think that's possible?

is that a realistic project? at this point of time, we are not only at the trash hold off at the lock in international relations, but also instrumental. because if you look back to the, let's say 3000 to use a different magnitude developed in all aspects, from economy to mutare, to health, etc. but not often they will, once they're in such an impact just as to be, has witnessed within the last 10 years. and each and every moment we have these technological improvements, meaning inventions which will delete everything and we'll change everything and view the task for me. i think what i made today, it was an on order oci and that's icons pay at the mid eighties. the rest, the european system of the dozens and what is going on now in the western european

system offensive. and there was an emperor and with the emperor indicates the lots and the status that was an unwritten cool nation, or compromise that they had done some responsibilities to each other. there was a hierarchy essentially what, yes, there was, the guy was a higher i can, there was a reason, a commitment to each other. let's say when i will damper us for, let's say soldiers thinks we're sending them. and then were there was a legacy problem between the kinks. then emperor will fold up towards the end. and that's what i like about your idea of, uh, sort of new rendition of global feudalism is that it's actually, you are arguing that the west or the united states will try to re impose the system once again onto the world in the digital form. now the question that i have is whether 1st of all i find it's rather paradoxical, that it's the united states that would be trying to do those things because this

country was born out of the idea to break out of the imperial. and you know, you're repeating kingship, feudalism mentality, but now they're sort of spearheading that transformation you up again. but the biggest question that i have in my mind is whether this is a new form of globalization, essentially in the digital phone. because americans a want to keep the control over the entire system and be they want still to original the profits for themselves. okay, try to history the government of powers. let's say since the 16th century, best thing you can publish like spain, pork and go, the doctor probably didn't change which empire and united states. they've had some tools to control the global system, like a very big army, strong army in control of the economy, controlling keep trade routes, and using theory language as lingua franca,

and exporting to day or more to other states. now there's an addition to this, a in east too much estate dollars, where were the also take photo she who were the will office to take told again control. so they told her she come to us to go see here talking about artificial intelligence. the if you feel intelligence, only it is technology as a whole team. we feel intelligence is the most important component of 5th ads is of course and all of these, yes, speaking the above learning, artificial intelligence make kind of sense. now i agree with you that for the last 500 years, that's what he or p and powers did. both with imposing the customs dialogue. mazda values died technology on to the other countries, but one would argue that the world has changed, and there are many other nations for developing not only that version of artificial intelligence and sort of testing it on the, in the own languages,

in their own cultural values. but they also have a new sense of their own identity. do you want this new level of technological proficiency or bothers and that a wall consensus of, you know, national 5 national identity. do you think they would be want to be brought under these? and you know, new feudal role, the key word both in the previous field rules and the really emerging one is the content. i mean, nothing can be done possibly for and for you. and if you have the strongest army, as you mentioned to people, the nations can resist against your in positions. however, we see many of the nations seeing that the leaders in the system who pushed the rules and who browse tools can give you some benefit. so therefore,

we have seen at emotions of content, nation swollen to really say, yes, we see you as a leader of this and you sent them some nations. right? not all of them, of course, they say we will until we see you as the leader, as the big brother of this new system, he will benefit from it and he will benefit from it. so that's why i made the analogy. we defer the listen. it is not the reason anywhere. it is not pretending the chatter of the united nations charter save old nations small or beat are echoes . but now they're somewhat more equal than the other. so um, i think that's arguable but um, i wanna ask you this terms, decree a on and removing obstacles to the us leadership in the field of artificial intelligence. i think it's very interesting and worth it because on the one hand it uses leadership and dominance as total synonyms. they're used interchangeably. and

then it also states that the goal of these primacy that the americans are buying to preserve is to promote human flourishing. this is the phrase that i see. i hear people around trump use a lot to human flourishing. how do you understand it? what do you think they mean when they keep appealing to their? so if you have to see that it is not found origin of emission to take some the most about that if you're going to the tennessee 1st, biden, biden's, immunization in its final base. they buy them signs a degree and pest to be of about artificial intelligence. and youth root all most the exclusive div folder, right? so fact if your shipment is intelligence to united states and both countries which united states love, trump is now taking gift cert and phase or k. if you are with me to be able to

visually intelligence. i can share that with you as much as i want to share, but if you go and you do enter into some kind of partnership with other countries such as china, so you're against. therefore, this is a comp type, international relations understanding because previous tvs so the same think good either with me or against me. absolutely, but it's a to some extent only in language, it's a wishful thinking that the americans want to have dominance. they want to have dominance, that's what they say that we want to control. but the question is whether the other nations actually getting the benefits rather than a being sold director rick about the benefits you see the, the distinction here in your estimate estimation of the trump administration. so if i do think they will deliver the goodies that they promise, i don't know it's up to the countries because many of the countries school,

they enter into a compromise between united states. well it's, it's a compromise to sell the national sol, essentially. is it the, i don't think so, it depends on the system of all the regime of this country. i mean, in some countries and what the case about the people's so the on the paint, the full think off the government is to keep in seats. so if they got on the protection from united states then thinking you what the united states wants and it is also valid for other countries. so these kind of relationship is not only between the united states and these some countries, but also between some other countries. some say okay, do you want to sit on your seat is a freaking company. ok team it is mine and let's say license and i will protect you . so this is an rule. i mean it's a, it isn't, that's maybe a little. it isn't. that's maybe it within the international in, in the if there's

a practice of international relations. well, uh versus, or if it's a practice of this program to take a short break in the middle. but we will be back in just a couple of minutes statement. the, there is no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case of the med, most of the people i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also a soon, this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington. as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to help me living on that. we have very close propaganda. you know, price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the question. the more questions asked, the better the answer is will be

the welcome back to wells. a part of it? it's a chevy of hum. rector of often bus university in cherokee before the break we just started talking about with our artificial intelligence and much has been sad about it if potentially and radically changing all areas of human activity from employment to social relations. i'm even say personal human relations. i'm here if you look at trump, he's somewhat for doc sickle because he's also somebody who is in favor of sake, safe guarding some traditional human values like you know, traditional views of the gender, traditional views of the marriage, a 2nd limitations on abortions, etc. and he's also set to be a believer in god and providence as something that allowed him to or survive

to assess the nation attempts. now, based on your intrusion, because there is no way of knowing that for sure. but based on your intuition, may he be somebody or, you know, macy's administration be an actor and that will preserve certain human values and prevent them from either corruption by the new progressive is ethics or biased official intelligence. for that matter. i hope so, because it's not a problem of american society only. it's a problem of all humanity. and it's not only depending on what mr. trump, they'll do, but also for other rulers and other legislation. so of all countries that piece of intelligence is like in life we can cut the bread, you can cut the meat, but you can also to, to people, 10th, occlusal think of it. there's a,

the ongoing discussion among the political sciences fulfilled as just everyone, whether technology and his values a can be a rum separately. i mean, to me, let's say for, for, for 100 p is we have such a debate in my country into kia. can we only take that technology off of west and keep our values is also valid for japan, cammie import technology only and keep our val these. in fact, it's very difficult because these both affects each other. so at the very beginning, the united states and all other countries should make regulations to protect, protect human values who in dignity, a from the universe of the combination. well, this is such an important and also very difficult question because there are many conventions on, on human drives, but 3 and now so that they have been used as a vehicle to promote,

quote unquote western values. but since you mentioned the issue of philosophy, i think it's not only fulfill officer, but also find many religious systems. there's a promise that at the core of human humanities, something sacred, something that cannot be sold or bought. do you think trump believes in such a notion that there's something that is off limits that cannot be a you know what made by part of a big deal then the talking to lease. it is something between us and god. therefore, i don't know. i don't know any, i don't see any implications that she has lead something because of his belief. but he says something politically, he won't, the elections came to power and he has some promises commitments to american people about the american values. i'm making family system and it will other tanks. but

what i am talking, yes, and that's only about the american people, all the people living living in the world. now we are entering the new h and in this age machine is learning. and if they haven't good machines, the stack to st and change something. me dot an older from the few months. what will happen? so from the beginning, it does not $56.00. you absolutely wonder what that were written or shut insights friction. these become a real real that the of the day it boils down to a problem of a tool versus an agent. and whether you're giving some of your consciousness, consciousness, the conscious decision sold decisions over to the machine. and it's a, it's a question. i think not even from the governments to make it says right now, we have to take this as in a minute. the problem on the table,

we should make 1st national, then international legal nations and take any action to prevent future off or generations from the arrows of the unknown. because we don't know to up to that if they'll go just one. here we go. i just, you know, download, it's an active shooting cabbages application within t 3 months. the speed and the capacity 100 times growth. and we do one year. now it is $400.00 times faster. absolutely. but processor hon, i'm it, some people make it sound very complicated, but at the end of the day is still on your phone. and this how you relate to your children, how you relate to your, you know, parents, your neighbors is still a personal question and it's done without any the inside your mouth. only goose knows. i mean, at the personal level,

we shouldn't be conscious and be very careful about using this technology, but nation of levels, it is government's responsibility. now, if you have such a technology, and if the see the, you know, features, then we have to take some measures, both amigos antennae in nation of levels and any to national level. that's what i am talking about. now i, i still have one question about the, the temp administration i wanted to ask you about last come, you are described as embodying the pragmatism of cards in algebra, show here and beat technology supported impressiveness of pretty good at us. put him into well as a russian, i'm very much impressed with the 2nd part of the comparison because i'm keep me aware that it was the presence of a rest pushing that the he was ready financial. absolutely. he was very cousin, because method, charismatic mystical person to deliver and guide you be,

me don't know. we only know a little about how he influenced is out. and i think in russia there have been extensive research on that subject. but one thing we know for sure is that it was his presence at the cord that led to the down full of these are assembly and ultimately be imperial to russia. as a state, do you think the presence of a even mosque donald trump scores could have a similar impact either on donald trump or on america as a he's a very clever guy. that's some or if he's a, the targets for exploration are very a no problem. i think for the rest of traverse, for instance, he was speaking in an interview to i think, can you single and he was asked, oh, you're talking about sending some space rockets to 2 months and create

a quote on it. it will take us in years maybe dictates to create it accordingly. and he has it. why don't you think that at the same time i consent, 401000 truck gets to the mass. so he has such an expiration. so, but old is money. very feel comfortable because it has any investment. yes, we have seen give us a very fancy the you know, projects, but you need the financial resources and it creates resources to reach this solution so far. very successful in funding his own. the enterprise i have, i don't know whether it's full who has the it is way. yeah. what's build the american society? the think about is if they are a priority to load the information and increase their employment or sending some real customers and create a court on the dash. and now uh, in the last couple of minutes that i have,

i wanna ask you about, um, international politics you have recently before the trump may attempt to quote unquote, by lodging or put in support. uh, in applying some pressure against china. do you think versus position on this issue is for sale? i know i'm not talking about selling going buying. i didn't buy such a thing. i am thinking that to your russia is invest in country. from the beginning you say you repeat country is a part of your family. so i believe it's not very appreciated. that doesn't actually have sent that assemble. it to be honest with, you know, i'm talking about the is a, is a to time seeing crush as a part of europe. it's clear searching is also proud of being here, you know, balls and years with age and i sent a subject of being proud or full size the reality in the from previously. and now

he's talking that china is united states number one, rivals. and maybe it can be, so if you are seen china as a and we want, i mean trump, does he want more elyse around change? or is do you want to take a life of china one by one to cite of united states? i am talking to you about i understand the logic, but i mean it's not only about what donald trump ones, it's also about i whole rushes, old vision of itself. goal is the roger sees itself as a great nation, and that includes, you know, respect of your own interest, but also respect of your own allies and you know, respecting the word, the obligation of course. but if at the end, it is a great just look, the virt, russia, and united states are the powers. so at the end, when mr. trump mc reporting will meet,

they will not only speak about the association. they will speak about the other part so toward as well. and as, as far as i understand from trump's policy, tom's want to pull russia from sight of china to his site. and of course, he has to do something to do this. and russia should also make analyzes, or for east or nation will interest in find them on the basis. all countries is moving their international relations depending on the national interest. absolutely, and i think put inside that on, on many occasions that she wants to have a friendly relationship with the united states as well as so you know, many of the european neighbors, but russian will not accept any solver and joe political son for an overhead thing . you know, speaking about what we had talked uh, you know, they, the, your earlier theme of feudalism. do you think it would be

a sucked to both to the top of ministration, to have russia as an equal partner. but not as one of the, you know, subservient, younger brothers. it depends what we'll trump take at what's of the russia test. so it is, well, the international relations history is an issue, a 5 minute negotiation. some think is doing something is take. so this is that this very day is the 18th anniversary of delta conference, the anti fascist airlines. they gather thing yalta. and they want to say considered war against nothing. germany and japan that time united states. so it's unions and there's a lice against germany. so if you look at the minutes of conferencing, yells and duties of it was not only about the war against germany,

it was about re shaping convert. they established the united nations. they called for san francisco conference, and then they establish a new york system. therefore, i believe if mr. trump, i'm used to put team come together and meet and start speech, it will not be only bilateral relations or fresh and united states. but if you'll be a much more or less kale off delegation discussions about the future of developed, can i ask you one last question? you mentioned bargaining, and i enjoy bargaining. a 2 categories are as very much and everybody who has done it and knows the, the asking price and the sort of the final deal price may be very, very different. do you think child has the capacity of sustaining the bargaining process? not only aggressively pushing for his prize, but also playing along playing the coal game. when you argue indefinitely, and only they end up with come up with some, you know, mutually agreeable solution. does he have b?

that's cool. okay. all like at 1st timers, choice the stumble, grandfather, cooking and trump most each other very well. so it's not the starting price anyway . so if they come and negotiate, they know they are by they tool capacities they empowers what they need. exactly. so it's not like the tourist got pleasure having a lot to even get the money to a cheaper cheaper carpet. well, thank you very much for being with us. thank you. and thank you for watching off the sir again on worlds apart.

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