[000:00:00;00] the welcome across the bull horns. were all things are considered on peter level? are we finally getting a preview of the trump piece plan for ukraine? also is the trunk plan for guys or for wheel? or is it merely negotiating ploy to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest drawer to send me away in budapest, he's a pod, castro at the gospel which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we crossed and marks level that he is an international relations and security analyst, or a gentleman cross lock rules. and if that that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to mark for a steering moscow. the compass smoking

a great deal during the campaign and before his evaluation and since about ukraine . we've gotten preciously little detail, but we do know that now finally, at least the new york coast is record reporting that trump inclusion spoke. so i suppose that's a good thing. we're also being told by anonymous sources within the administration, there is a split. there are those that want to pile on more pressure on russia, maximum pressure, i guess we can call it with sanctions and whatnot. and then the other thing now the pressure should be applied to ukraine. of course, these are not for attribution markets, getting a little exhausting about what the piece plan is going to be if there's one going to be one at all your thoughts. okay, so 1st of all, i think it has to be said that um trump has come out in, in the recent hours and said that he has spoken with put and then what asked when

and the details you say i better not say. and you said something similar for the russian side for their up until the time of recording still denies that the russian president has spoken with donald trump. and that, that is very interesting. you know, he said, she said that's going on. there is a piece plan that is floating around being picked up, but this has been around for several weeks already had 1st appeared in the ukrainian out of the country online media outlets. strawn, on which is patriarch, but critical, which is why it's not operating within the region. and then it was picked up by turkish media. and now finally, 2 weeks later by the daily mail on all sides denied this. and i think there's a lot of indications that this is probably a trial balloon, but not by the trump administration. i don't think it has anything to do with the

trump administration. i think it's some one or some good internal to the key. every human you crane and there's speculation that both done off the camera, james military intelligence chief, may be involved. because he recently allegedly said behind a closed door rado security session, that the coverage team had only 6 months last until irreversible processes. if negotiate areas, negotiations don't begin soon, but i think it's a very bad sign that they're talking about a plan, right? if you don't turn a plan before negotiation start, that's a dick top. uh, yeah, well, i mean gentlemen, why don't we reverse this? i mean, it's something that george and i have discussed, there is a plan out there. it's the russian plan. so why can't we use that as a template and say, okay, this is our starting position. it's been public for a very long time. as a matter of fact, gentlemen and my dear audience here,

we can go back to december of 2021, with the, the, the documents or treaties or demands or dictates whatever you want to call it, sent to nato and to the united states. george, this is, you know, this as well. try to in ground right now. there is when you and i, and we have on this program, we've discussed how the west, the, the trump administration are arguing among themselves. but that's not negotiating because you're not talking to the other party george bay originally, right. peter's, a december 2021 booked in presents these 2 dr. treat these ones on later one for the the by the administration. and then a june of last year booting outlined the conditions for a ceasefire and he said, which is complete. ukrainian withdrawal from the for all, bless, such as a don't bus the don't ask him against a house on, on cyber,

russia and ukraine abandoning any aspirations to join nato. so that, that is the russian plan. the problem is that the united states to embrace anything like that one, be regarded unreasonably so as a complete defeat, the free for the united states, a total about a failure of its ukraine projects. and it would be seen as obviously a defeat. and the humiliation for nate, so that's why i am my feeling is that trump really isn't going to pursue this whole piece plan. i that i think for him, this is a vanity project. and in the, in the interview that the general case catalog gave to the new york post. it talked about the teddy roosevelt's bringing peace between russian japan to end the 19 o $45.00, russell, japanese war. and so he's, and he liked and bored. trump is doing that, so you know, is, was a neutral,

impartial, dissing for us. the, it will take book and, you know, band heads together and bring it to an end. but that isn't going to happen for tom . if you want to go down this by the really getting himself, you know me, the ball in this and this rule is only going to be negative for him. there are no upsides for him. so beautiful. his best bet really is to, you know, make an effort. so hey, well, i did what i could bus i, i couldn't do it. he's got a very full domestic agenda. i mean, is it, you know, we, we know, i mean, this is, he wants to dismantling the administrative stage. he's got a lot of political problems of home. he really doesn't need to get himself in homeless. and there isn't any real pressure on him in the way there was pressure on richard nixon and 1969 because americans with dine, no americans are dying. so there isn't such a great a pressure on him to do very much somebody amazing and that, but that is pretty and diploma say. and then we're going to go back and continue as

before. yeah. but that's getting the can down or, you know, mark, um, it's very interesting that um, in the year 2025, we've heard president kimberly's name mentioned now we're here from president roosevelt's mcmann for. and historically i would point out, is george and was alluding to their go ahead, jump in mark, because again, i feel like we're just, you know, this is grips and drabs and i don't think they have a plan. i really don't mark i, i love hearing you know, um president some presidential administrations pondering history. that's great. although not really appropriate in this particular situation. unfortunately, and this what george talked about here, alluding kellogg deluding this to the ending of the room. so a japanese war in the us played in this, this is one of the whole problems with the us approach to this, right? they're trying now with the trumpet administration to come in and pretend that

there's some no troll 3rd party arbiter that is going to come ahmed and settle this between the 2 conflicting parties. no, russia is. yeah, yes with. that's right. russia, as far as they're concerned, they are at war with the united states. i'm sorry, you can call is a proxy war, a hot proxy war. they're firing missiles into the us and are right. maybe the trump administration didn't start this, although the certainly had a role the previous one and setting the condition that brought about the conflict. so trying to separate themselves completely from it, i think is also false. but russia and they are not interested in a deal with the key every, they don't believe zalinski is legitimate for multiple reasons. then they understand, right? the us can play this game right where they're not involved and rush is not interested in those games. they understand that they are war with the us. they want a settlement, not a deal, right?

because isn't a real estate deal. they want a settlement, a security settlement with the united states of america. and this protects all of a 3rd party arbiter, which they're not even playing the role of they're not listening to both sides. they're coming with a dig thought this is only going to t, the russians off, and they're going to say ok, we talked, we heard your say, we're not interested. here's our terms. we're waiting this conflict, your losing. when you're ready to accept our terms, we will stop, but not until then there is no c spire. well, it's really interesting, george. i mean the, the united states has fading kind of a form of neutrality here, which is quite bizarre. and particularly in light of us, a id and the funding of independent media in ukraine. and they're not involved in this, of course here. but you know, the, there, there's something in it you don't hear in so much in our media lane here. but

george, this has been one of your, some talking points, is that, and there's always the possibility of escalation. and this is, you know, everybody co, its last last leg is limits on how we resolve. know it's, it's far from over and i, and i really and what, that's one of the things i think that we offer in this discussion here is far from over. george, i don't think it's very far from zillow, because, you know, to the extent that we can make any predictions about what's going to happen the next 6 months and 12 months. it's likely that there will be a strong flurry of diplomacy. if we've got the munich security conference coming up and obviously catalog and the zalinski will need trumpet said that he will meet with the landscape sometime within the next few days. so there is going to be some why was they what is on likely to succeed? because as well, you know, we've been discussing any a off up and then this is when trump is really talking about all the people around trump,

which is people less freeze the conflicts in place. and then we can legally of standing masses to be discussed at some late to a peace conference with nathan membership. there's no reason for russia to accept anything like that because it would be a complete failure because we know exactly what would happen. nature would use the interim period to re um, ukraine for a renewal of a conflict in 510 years time. so this is the reason for it, not to mention the fact that there would be an massive nato build up within ukraine during this interim ceasefire. so there's no reason for it, but that's why i think that once in, as far as the diplomacy comes to an end, and russia says no, ukraine will also say that because there's that. okay, we're ready to see territory. but we want to nato membership for like right now? no, i wouldn't want to. i would, i would just quibble with you. this is then what you're describing isn't diplomacy?

it is, it is, is right inside training on or in, like i said, the low of another policy gentleman, a happy jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, look, our continue, our discussion on some real estate with our to the the rabbit collapse of the ottoman empire, gave the arabs hope for independence. but the colonial power. so their future differently. great britain and france agreed on the seizure of the air of lands under the guise of the so called mandate of the league of nations. this bible play caused particular indignation in a rack, which was to get under the control of the british. in may 1921 rest with claim for independence broke out,

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i'm to go back to mark your mark. i don't think there's been an event in recent history where there's been so many different interpretations of what trump had to say. we will own gaza watch um the alternative media sphere. obviously everyone's talking about it. i'm not really sure i agree with anyone because i'm not really sure anyone really knows exactly how we got to this point and maybe just from you know, wing that we don't know and we still really don't know to this day. what are your thoughts about this? a very bizarre, but very impactful story. i think the us is actually own the gods a and a has should have responsibility for what has been, how in that sense i agree with you as far as back a. it's right. i obviously trump is talking about it like it's a real estate deal with making just get those because the power has been hands out of palestine. well then they can rebuild the, the new middle east,

the really era and, and they have like marketing. it's almost like you think we have to move them out of queens and we can put them in manhattan. yeah, um. the problem is that that is bare land. i mean, we could move is right. and the iranians have suggested that we move v as riley's out of israel to separate the 2 of them and move them all to greenland. and then i have to say that idea has some merit as far as i can see. i don't think uh the as railways or the us or trump uh, really buys that. uh but, but yeah, 1st of all, it has to be said, the trump is millie mer merely accelerating the time table for what has been u. s. presidential and these railey presidential policy for decades, which is the ethnic cleansing of palestine. it's just been happening. settlement in house, bobo is that a time for decades now? they're talking about doing it in

a flurry. and i don't think the question is whether us types end up on the ground, which trump actually suggests that although there has been a lot of walk back from the administration since then. but what he's doing is giving a big, green light to israel, that it's a now okay to just do that, right. and we'll figure out a way to bashed in the doors of egypt and jordan to make them accept. uh, you know, these arabs being driven out of greater israel because that's, that's really the way they look at it. and the, the us, of course, is ultimately going to be responsible for this. trump has sent to 1000 pound bombs to israel in the last few weeks. they're also talking about another $7.00 and $8000000000.00 arms bill, including guidance kits. presumably for those 2000 pound bombs and more hellfire missiles, they're obviously restocking. the is rarely military to ethnically cleanse palestine

that was the carrot. that was part of the stick with the ceasefire deal. you'll give us this, uh uh, you know, diplomatic. a photo op that we want for the non duration of a ceasefire. and then we'll get you ready to settle this issue for once in all weather us, troops are involved on the ground or not is, is actually move at this point. the big green light for ethnic cleansing and genocide is what everyone should be talking about. trump's trying to present this is, you know, simply moving a tenant and an image that domain can't get a situation to, to another place is, is really, i think, is a starting shooting. how little the liberal western media has jumped on him. which means again, this was bite as policy, he was just less vocal or at least lincoln's policy, but less vocal about it. you know, george, how is this?

and, you know, it wasn't a mist with macro people. how is this america 1st, this is, you know, we, we see all of this talk about tariffs on, on allies when greenland, panama, you know, and there's a certain intrinsic logic to it. i get it okay. but not this in a lot of mag and world has been bulking at this here, but mark is absolutely right. i mean the 2 state solution that's off the table and even recognizing a palestinian identity is a doesn't have much currency anymore. um these are just moving uh, unruly on wanted tenants a to a different territory. no one wants to say in a inefficient them, this is ethnic cleansing, but that's exactly what it is. and that is why jordan and egypt and no one else is going to follow suit. that's a war crime. george, of course, is a war crime. and basically, you know, you can, one can argue about the meaning of them genocide,

but this would indeed be genocide. they knew of removing a population from it's a, it's homes and just showing them uh, you know, where wherever, that would be amounts of genocide. now, the problem that i see, which is i, i don't think this is a viable plan and because there's no one, no one in the arab world is going to go along with this. and, and particularly trump has to think about, well, he's only gonna be present before he is. then he goes back to his trump organization. and the fact is, a family owned business on the assignment is going to continue long off, the trump is gone and they have a lot of interest in the are well, they have a lot of interest in the persian gulf. there's no way anyone, anyone that's holding the persian gulf or ending in the arrow stays and saudi arabia and the united. and i remember it's not one of them is going to go along with anything like this, you know, and ethnic cleansing of palestine. i mean above the sheer scale of what would need

to be done is just mine by them. you don't, it's selling to 1000000 people out dumping them on the egypt and jordan. they don't have the resources to have to deal with this. so this would be a horrific act of genocide, and there's no a bad no bias. pull this anywhere in the middle east. so i have to think that trump is just doing this is throwing this out there as a negotiating point. what he's doing is that he's been, he's doing this a while he likes um, as his favorite negotiating point. hey, i'm the madman. i'm ready to do anything every year that you can stop me. and everyone is terrified of me because they don't know how to control it. so it's putting that out there and now it's going to the arabs and say, look, you don't like my plan. how about you come up with a plan of you wrote it? oh, it's okay, you know, you know, like what i'm suggesting, we do, we just just throw this, throwing them out. yeah. okay. what about you, what, what do you have and that, you know, and he thinks that the now the i was going to come forward. okay. yeah, yeah, we'll look, i'm

a yeah. and then your own plan for administering the guys that you have on the fly in the ointment is that there's the arrow piece plan of 2002. that bill could easily. yeah, i mean, i would say that, okay, but of course with his in least rhetoric approach that is being pushed to the, to the side. you know, one put a great deal of the conversation about his meeting with uh, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who is in, we go back to this conversation of who's in the wag the dog is this trump's initiative? was he reading from a script? because, you know, when you look at, when, when they did though, you may press approach and trump was this kind of reading bullet points and then kind of add living it and that's not his style. so i'm having, you know, a jared questionnaire do this for him. i your thoughts wag the dog. yeah, well i'm, i think a lot of people look

a false way for the us is leading is real or is real leads the us mainland, each other they have, they have, well, you know, we can certainly argue whether any of this is in actual us interest it all depends on how you define those interests. but obviously a lot of the us political lead of intrinsically, you know, linked a is railey interest with us interests. i think they both have influence and pull over each other to a very significant degree. but there, there is, is also a great deal of mutual symbiosis, right? there's not a lot of disagreement right now may, may be only on or, you know, immediate war with the ron. that's, that's the only difference i have to dislike. i disagree. i don't think that this is a, any type of uh ploy for negotiations because i don't think is real. has any interest

in negotiations that would bring any outside error countries into any type of deal or administration of talestine airline 1st. and in that as far as they're concerned, it's already great or is real. i mean that's the way they talk within the country. and we've seen pauline, something like the polls i've seen 3 per cent of the israeli population are against the ethnic cleansing of palestine. 3 percent, right? that is a completely radicalized population, right? that is willing to accept anything. i think they're perfectly serious about this in one form or another. and they were leading each other on it. again, this has been the policy of previous administrations. it was the policy of the bite and administration. it's just being done now and, and accelerated time table and being done out loud. he has normalized it something that was, are done. one thing that, that's just the point, george, is that given what the binding administration at all, they're double talking to him park. we see about the, the, the,

the genocide which would not happen in and cause and without american assistance, obviously year been mark is right. it's been normalized and it's very interesting when, when you look, when we looked at trump and netanyahu together, trunk was taking on all of the risks. these really was these released to come no risk whatsoever. again, that's why, you know, people bring up this wag the dog thing because it's been normalized. i mean, they've already killed a lot of people. what's a whole lot more what, what, what is the impact the, you know, the, the, the, the shock and what we saw over the last 15 months is more now we're just going to see more of that. and trump is going to take that on. i think it will destroy his presidency and he acts upon it. george, it will destroy his presidency. if he icon on it, that's why i don't think it well and, you know, let's say, well, 50000 uh, gardens have been killed by israel for 15 months. okay. well, 50000, there's no 2000000. right? 100000. they might want to have 100000,

but it's still on to 1000 is not 2000000 to drive to 1000000 people out. nothing like this has been seen since 1945 when the germans were picked up and dumped, you know, millions upon millions of them inside germany. but at that moment everyone was kind of being used to mass killings, mass deportations. this would be on a different on up and on. the fact is that, you know, i don't, i don't what is ram is going to do. but so for his royal, i mean these now withdrawn from the nets are in far adults, the palace indians returning. so there's a lot of big talk only going to do there is we're going to, you know, going to drive them out. you know, ethnic lansing is going to be part of greater as well. is there a is a good at this? got a big, big told and on the know gentlemen to do it, george has already mentioned, and there's a lot of big talk that has various serious consequences. but that's all the time we have. but when i think my guess in budapest and here in moscow, and of course i want to thank our viewers from watching us here are to see you next time. remember, press stop,

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