a perception of our government or why we have to leave you here now. thank you very much. see your exit. i see a live yet and a home view here, a, the minister of foreign affairs and international cooperation of the one that thank you so much for speaking with us. thank you very much for having me. the and close that home. now russia hayes ready for peace folks over the war and ukraine, but a new one, thinking ultimatums will sway moscow is mistaken. that was a key message from a press conference with a rush, as deputy foreign minister said again, if you have called full added that, the trump administration is already sending signals that he wants to make a deal come on the bus, the trump team, despite the inconsistency of the position stated by himself, and these people at least, indicates an interest in reviewing the dialogue with russia interrupted by the democrats. we are ready for dialogue as being said repeatedly. in particular,

we are ready to discuss a settlement in ukraine, but only on an equal and mutually acceptable basis. the language of ultimatums. outrageous stuffing attempts to tell us that we will be given a great favor in exchange for agreeing to, obviously implausible demands all this will not work and relations and in dialogue with russia. frankly, it didn't really seem to me that to the deputy for administer, it was a very optimistic talking about the relationship between russia and the united states, which mr. ripoff says has been brought to the verge of collapse by the previous us administration. of course, the good news is that the diplomatic channels are still open, and there is apparently a political will on both sides, both in moscow and in washington for dialogue about the repub says regarding the conflict in ukraine. the only way a diplomatic solution there wouldn't be possible is if all the goals a set by vladimir puts in regarding the special meals we operation in ukraine will be achieved. what around most guy,

we see the word victory in the sign. victory will be ours. get the tool kit a political level seems to be about talks and negotiations. so if there is a, a peace deal or a negotiated settlement of ukraine, will that be a victory or a failure of the special military operation? there is no other interpretation of the set of benchmarks which we have had all alone before us and habits as we speak to. they are the then full and complete achievement, double goals and political solution. uh, as we envisage it cannot be achieved otherwise. or then through the full implementation of what was pronounced by president fortune and the sooner you s u. k. and others understand this that they would be a and be closer this desired political solution

will be for everyone. now the deputy for a minute sir, also commented on the situation around us, a id and the latest news about the possible closure of the us state funded media such as voice of america used to be a pope says that the means of these organizations may change but the ultimate idea, or american value of the us exceptionalism that's still there. and he says that it's highly unlikely that the us will stop itself from spreading these values across the world. b. it's using these existing mechanisms on new ones. now in general, it seemed to me that to moscow is currently closely and cautiously monitoring all the changes which have been taking place since the return of donald trump uh to the white house. and to, as the campaign promises now quiet down and the real actions step in moscow is really with me to

a wide stay with our team to national for all the latest from around the world. i see you again by now the welcome to across the board. horns were all things are considered on peter level? are we finally getting a preview of that from piece plan for ukraine? also, is the trunk plan for guys or for wheel? or is it merely negotiating floyd to discuss these issues and more? i'm joined by my guess, jordan, samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod, castro, at the gospel which we found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we cross the marks level that he has an international relations and security analysts, or a gentleman cross lock rules. and if that that means you can jump any time you want

. and i always appreciate it. i can just go to mark for a steering moscow with compass smoking a great deal during the campaign and before his evaluation and since about ukraine . we've gotten preciously little detail, but we do know that dial finally, at least the new york coast is record reporting that trump inclusion spoke. so i suppose that's a good thing. we're also being told by anonymous sources within the administration, there is a split. there are those that want to pile on more pressure on russia, maximum pressure, i guess we can call it with sanctions and whatnot. and then the other thing now the pressure should be applied to ukraine. of course, these are not for attribution markets, getting a little exhausting about what the piece plan is going to be if there's one going to be one at all your thoughts. okay, so 1st of all, i think it has to be said that trump has come out in, in recent hours and said,

and he has spoken with potent and then what asked when and the details you say i better not say. and he said something similar before the russian side for their up until the time of recording still denies that the russian president has spoken with donald trump. and that, that is very interesting. you know, um he said she said that's going on. there is a piece plan that is floating around being picked up. um, but this has been around for several weeks already and 1st appeared in the ukrainian out of the country online media outlets. strawn, on which is patriarch, but critical, which is why it's not operating within the region. and then it was picked up by turkish media. and now finally, 2 weeks later by the daily mail on all sides denied this. and i think there's a lot of indications that this is probably a trial balloon,

but not by the trump administration. i don't think it has anything to do with the trump administration. i think it's some one or some good internal to the key every human ukraine in their speculation that both done off the camera. james military intelligence chief may be involved because he recently allegedly said behind a closed door rado security session, that the coverage team had only 6 months last until irreversible processes. if negotiate areas, negotiations don't begin soon, but i think it's a very bad sign that they're talking about a plan, right? so if you don't turn a plan before negotiation start, that's a dip type. uh, yeah, well i mean gentlemen, why don't we reverse this? i mean, it's something that george and i have discussed, there is a plan out there. it's the russian plan. so why can't we use that as a template and say, okay, this is our starting position. it's been public for

a very long time. as a matter of fact, gentlemen and my dear audience here, we can go back to december of 2021, with the, the, the documents or treaties or demands or dictates whatever you want to call it, sent to nato and to the united states. george, this is, you know, this as well, trying ground right now. there is where you and i and we have on this program. we have discussed how the west, the, the trump administration are arguing among themselves. but that's a lot of negotiating because you're not talking to the other party, george beer. absolutely right. pizza, as a december 2021 pollutant presents these 2 dr. treaties one sunday to one for the the by the administration. and then a june of last year boots in outline the conditions for a ceasefire, and he says, which is complete ukrainian withdrawal from the for all bless that says don't bus

the, don't ask them against a house on answer about russia and ukraine abandoning any aspirations to join nato, so that, that is the russian plan. the problem is that the united states to embrace anything like that would be regarded unreasonably so as a complete defeat, the free for the united states, a total about a failure of its ukraine projects. and it would be seen as obviously a defeat and the humiliation for nate. so that's why i am my feeling is the trump really isn't going to pursue this whole piece plan. i that i think for him, this is a vanity project and in the, in the interview that the general keys kellogg gave to the new york post. it talked about the teddy roosevelt's bringing peace between russia and japan to end the 19 o $45.00, russell, japanese war. and so we got, he's and he liked him go,

trump is the that's all you know is, was a neutral, impartial, december. first the okay, what type of and you know, bang heads together and bring it to an end. but that isn't going to happen for chrome if you want to go down this by the really getting himself, you know, may be bought in this way. ms. wall is only going to be negative for him. there are no upsides for him. so, you know, his best bet really is to, you know, make an effort. so hey, well, i did what i could bus i, i, i couldn't do it. he's got a very full domestic agenda. i mean, is it, you know, we, we know, i mean, this is, he wants to dismantling the administrative stage. he's got a lot of political problems at home. he really doesn't need to get himself in homeless. and there isn't any real pressure on him in the way. there was pressure on richard nixon in 1969 because americans with dine, no americans are dying. so there isn't such a great

a pressure on him to do very much. somebody amazing at that, but that is property of diplomacy and then we're going to go back and continue as before. yeah. but that's getting the can down the, you know, mark, it's very interesting that in the year 2025, we've heard president kimberly's name mentioned. now we're here compressed bit was about smack meant for an historical you. i would point out, is george, it was alluding to their go ahead jump in mark, because again, i feel like we're just, you know, this is dribs and drabs and i don't think they have a plan. i really don't mark. i, i love hearing you know, of presidents and presidential ministrations pondering history. that's great, although not really appropriate in this particular situation. unfortunately, and this, what george talked about here, alluding kellogg alluding this to the ending of the room. so a japanese war in the us played in this, this is one of the whole problems with the us approach to this, right?

they're trying now, what's the trump administration to come in and pretend that there is some no troll 3rd party arbiter that is going to come in and settle this between the 2 conflicting parties, no rush or is 0? yes with, that's right. russia, as far as they're concerned, they are at war with the united states, right? you can call this a proxy war or hot proxy war. they're firing missiles into the us and all right, maybe the trump administration didn't start this, although the certainly had a role the previous one and setting the condition that brought about the conflicts of trying to separate themselves completely from it, i think is also false. but russia, they are not interested in a deal with the key every, they don't believe zalinski is legitimate for multiple reasons. then they understand, right? the us can play this game right where they're not involved. russia is not interested in those games. they understand that they are war with the us. they want

a settlement, not a deal, right? this isn't a real estate deal. they want a settlement, a security settlement with the united states of america. and this protects all of a 3rd party arbiter, which they're not even playing the role of they're not listening to both sides. they're coming with a dig thought this is only going to t, the russians off, and they're going to say ok, we talked, we heard your say, we're not interested. here's our terms. we're waiting this conflict, your losing. when you're ready to accept our terms, we will stop, but not until then there is no c spire. well, it's really interesting, george. i mean the, the united states is fading kind of a form of neutrality here, which is quite bizarre. and particularly in light of us, a id and the funding of independent media in ukraine. and they're not involved in this, of course here. but you know, the, there,

there's something in it you don't here and so much in our media lane here. but george, this has been one of your, from talking points is that there's always the possibility of escalation. and this is, you know, everybody co, it's lit, last leg is limits. i'm like, how we resolve, know, it's, it's far from over and i, and i really and what, that's one of the things i think that we offer in this discussion here is far from over. george, i don't think it's very far from zillow, because, you know, to the extent that we can make any predictions about what's going to happen the next 6 months and 12 months. it's likely that there will be a strong flurry of diplomacy. if we've got the munich security conference coming up, and obviously the catalog in the zalinski will need trumpet said that he will meet with the landscape sometime within the next few days. so there is going to be some they want to say, but it's only likely to succeed because as well, you know, we've been discussing any of off up and then this is when trump is really talking

about all the people around trump, which is people less freeze the conflicts in place, and then we can legally of standing masses to be discuss that some lead to a peace conference by later membership. this is the reason for russia to accept anything like that because it would be a complete failure because we know exactly what would happen. nature would use the insur imperious to re um ukraine for a renewal of a conflict in 510 years time. so this is no reason for it and not to mention the fact that there would be an massive nato build up within ukraine during this interim si size. so there's no reason or parts, but that's why i think, but once this far you of diplomacy comes to an end. and russia says, no, ukraine will also say that because is that okay, we're ready to go see territory, but we want to nato membership for like right now the largest, right?

make launceston, i would, i would just quibble with you. this is then what you're describing isn't diplomacy? it is, it is is right. and so i treading water in light. all right. i don't know of another policy gentleman. i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after then short break, look, our continue, our discussion on some real estate with our team, the the welcome that's across the boards were all things are considered non funeral about. all right, let's change gears, gentleman which talk about trump proclamations and speech whenever you want to call it about garza,

i'm going to go back to mark your mark. i don't think there's been an event in recent history where there have been so many different interpretations of what trump had to say. we will own gaza watch um the alternative media spear. obviously everyone's talking about it. i'm not really sure i agree with anyone because i'm not really sure anyone really knows exactly how we got to this point and maybe just from, you know, wing that we don't know and we still really don't know to this day. what are your thoughts about this? a very bizarre, but very impactful story. i think the us is actually own the gods a and a has should have responsibility for what has been hired in that sense. i agree with you. yeah. for as back a it's right. i obviously trump is talking about it like it's a real estate deal with making just get those pesky palestinians out of palestine. well then they can rebuild. but the new middle east, really era and,

and they have like market. it's almost like you think we have to move them out of queens and we can put them in manhattan. yeah, um. the problem is that that is bare land. i mean, we could move, it is right. and the iranians have suggested that we move via is riley's out of israel to separate the 2 of them and move them all to greenland. and then i have to say that idea has some merit as far as i can see. i don't think uh the as railways or the us or trump really buys that. uh but, but yeah, 1st of all, it has to be said, the trump is millie mer merely accelerating the time table for what has been u. s. presidential and these railey presidential policy for decades, which is the ethnic cleansing of palestine. it's just been happening. settlement in house, bobo is that a time for decades now? they're talking about doing it in a flurry. and i don't think the question is whether us types end up on the ground,

which trump actually suggests that although there has been a lot of walk back from the administration since then. but what he's doing is giving a big, green light to israel, that it's a now okay to just do that, right. and we'll figure out a way to bashed in the doors of egypt and jordan to make them accept, you know, these arabs being driven out of greater israel because that's, that's really the way they look at it. and the, the us, of course, is ultimately going to be responsible for this. trump has sent to 1000 pound bombs to israel in the last few weeks. they're also talking about another $7.00 and $8000000000.00 arms bill, including guidance kids, presumably for those 2000 pound bombs and more hellfire missiles. they're obviously restocking these rarely military to ethnically cleanse palestine. that was the

carrot, that was part of the stick with the ceasefire. deal you'll give us this uh uh you know, diplomatic um, photo off that we want for the non duration of a ceasefire. and then we'll get you ready to settle this issue for once. in all weather us troops are involved on the ground or not is, is actually move at this point. the big green light for ethnic cleansing and genocide is what everyone should be talking about trumps trying to present this is, you know, simply moving a tenant in the image. that domain can't get a situation to, to another place. 4 4 is, is really the, i think is astonishing how little the liberal western media has jumped on him. which means again, this was biden's policy. he was just less vocal or at least lincoln's policy, but less vocal about it. you know, church, how is this? and you know, it wasn't a missed uh,

with the american people. how is this america 1st, this is, you know, way we see all of this. talk about tariffs on, on allies when greenland, panama, you know, and there's a certain intrinsic logic to it. i get it okay, but not this in a lot of my good world has been bulking at this here. but what mark is absolutely right. i mean, the 2 state solution that's off the table and even recognizing a palestinian identity is a doesn't have much currency anymore. um these are just moving uh, unruly on wanted tenants a to a different territory. no one wants to say in a inefficient them, this is ethnic cleansing, but that's exactly what it is. and that is why jordan and egypt and no one else is going to follow suit. that's a more crime, george, because it's a war crime. and basically, you know, you can, one can argue about the meaning of them genocide, but this would indeed be genocide. they knew of removing a population from it's a,

it's homes and just showing them uh, you know, where wherever that would be amounts of genocide. now, the problem that i see, which is i, i don't think this is a viable plan because there's no one, no one in the arrow. well, just going to go along with this. and, and particularly trump has to think about, um, well, he's only going to be present for 4 years. then he goes back to his trump organization. and the fact is, a family owned business on the assignment is going to continue long off the trump is gone. and they have a lot of interest in the arrow. well, they will of interest in the persian gulf. there's no way anyone, anyone that's all in the persian gulf or any in the arrow stays the saudi arabia and the united. and i remember it's not one of them is going to go along with anything like this, you know, and definitely cleansing of palestine. i mean, i love the sheer scale of what would need to be done. is just mine by the shopping

. 2000000 people out dumping them in egypt and jordan, they don't have the resources they have to deal with this. so this will be a horrific act of genocide and there's no up by the bias. pull this anywhere in the middle east. so i have to think that trump is just doing this is throwing this out there as a negotiating point. what he's doing is that he's for, he's doing, he looks at what he likes, um, as his favorite negotiating point. hey, i'm the madman. i'm ready to do anything every year that you can stop me. and everyone is terrified of me because they don't know how to control it. so it's putting that out there and now it's going to the arabs say, look, you don't like my plan. how about you come up with a plan of you wrote it? oh it's okay. you know, you know, like what i'm suggesting, we, we do, we just just throw this, throwing them out. okay, what about you, what, what do you have? and that, you know, and he thinks that the,

now they are gonna come forward. okay. yeah, yeah, we'll, we'll look, i'm a, yeah. but then your own plan for administering a you guys that, you know, on the fly in the ointment is that there's the error piece plan of 2002. that well could easily. yeah, i mean, i would say that, okay. but of course, with his at least rhetoric approach that is being pushed to the, to the side. you know, one put a great deal of the conversation about his, um, meeting with uh, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. it was, and we go back to this conversation of who's in the wag the dog is this trump's initiative? was he reading from a script? because, you know, when you look at, when, when they did the, you mean press approach and trump was this kind of reading bullet points and then kind of add living it and that's not his style. so i'm having, you know, a jared questionnaire do this for him. i your thoughts wag the dog. yeah, well i'm, i think a lot of people, it's a low false way for the us is leading israel,

or israel leads the us mainland each other. they have, they have what you and we can certainly argue whether any of this is in actual us interest. that all depends on how you define those interests. but obviously a lot of us political lead of intrinsically, you know, linked a is really interest with us interests. i think they both have influence and pull over each other to a very significant degree. but there, there is, is also a great deal of mutual symbiosis, right? there's not a lot of disagreement right now may, may be only on or, you know, immediate war ready, ron. that's. that's the only difference i have to dislike. i disagree. i don't think that this is a, any type of uh ploy for negotiations because i don't think is real. has any interest in negotiations that would bring any outside error countries into any type

of deal or administration of palestine. they're not interested in that as far as they're concerned. it's already great or israel. i mean, that's the way they talk within the country and we've seen palling something like the polls i've seen 3 per cent of the israeli population are against the ethnic cleansing of palestine. 3 percent, right? that is a completely radicalized population right? that is willing to accept anything. i think they're perfectly serious about this in one form or another and they relating each other on it. again, this has been the policy of previous administrations. it was the policy of the bite and administration. it's just being done now or in excel or rated time table and being done out loud, he as normalized it something that was not ever done. one thing that, that's just the point, george, is that given what the binding administration at all, they're double talking to him park, we see about the, the, the,

the genocide which would not happen in and cause and without american assistance. obviously here been mark is right. it's been normalized and it's very interesting when, when you look, when we looked at trump and netanyahu together, trunk was taking on all of the risks. these really was these released to come no risk whatsoever. again, that's why, you know, people bring up this wag the dog thing because it's been normalized. i mean, they've already killed a lot of people. what's a whole lot more what, what, what is the impact isn't on the the, the, the shock and what we saw over the last 15 months is more now we're just going to see more of it. and trump is going to take that on. i think it will destroy his presidency if he acts upon it, george, it will destroy his presidency. if he act on it. that's why i don't think it well and, you know, let's say 50000 uh, gardens have been killed by israel for 15 months. okay. well, 50000, there's no 2000000. right?

100000. they might want to have 100000, but it's still on to 1000 is not 2000000 to drive to 1000000 people out. nothing like this has been seen since 1945 when the germans were mixed up and dumped, you know, millions upon millions of them inside germany. but at that moment everyone was kind of being used to mass killings, mass deportations. this would be on a different, on up and on. the fact is that, and you know, i don't, i don't what israel is going to do, but so far he's royal. i mean he's now withdrawn from the nets. are in car adults, the palestinians returning. so there's a lot of big talk only going to do there is we're going to, you know, we're going to drive them out. you know, ethnic lansing is going to be part of greater as well. is there is a good at this kind of big, big told and on the know gentlemen to do it, george has already mentioned that there's a lot of big talk that has various serious consequences. but that's all the time we are going to take my guess in budapest and here in moscow. and of course i want to thank our viewers from watching us here, r t, z. and next time, remember,

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