the, the, [000:00:00;00] the welcome across the bull horns. were all things are considered on peter level? are we finally getting a preview of the trump piece plan for ukraine? also, is the trunk plan for guys or for wheel? or is it merely negotiating floyd to discuss these issues and more? i'm joined by my guess, jordan, samuel in budapest. he's a pod castro, at the guys all which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we

crossed and marks level that he has an international relations and security analyst, or a gentleman cross lock rules. and if that that means you can jump anytime you want . and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to mark for a steering moscow compass smoking a great deal during the campaign and before his evaluation. and since about ukraine . we've gotten preciously little detail, but we do know that though, finally, at least the new york coast is record reporting that trump inclusion spoke. so i suppose that's a good thing. we're also being told by anonymous sources within the administration, there is a split. there are those that want to pile on more pressure on russia, maximum pressure, i guess we can call it with sanctions and whatnot. and then the other thing now the pressure should be applied to ukraine. of course, these are not for attribution markets, getting a little exhausting about what the piece plan is going to be if there's one going to be one at all your thoughts. okay, so 1st of all,

i think it has to be said that the trump has come out in, in the recent hours and said that he has spoken with put and then what asked when and the details you say i better not say. and he said something similar before the russian side for their up until the time of recording still denies that the russian president has spoken with donald trump. and that, that is very interesting. you know, um he said she said that's going on. there is a piece plan that is floating around being picked up. um, but this has been around for several weeks already, and 1st appeared in the ukrainian out of the country online media outlets strawn, uh, which is patriarch, but critical, which is why it's not operating within the resume. and then it was picked up by turkish media. and now finally, 2 weeks later by the daily mail on all sides denied this. and i think there's

a lot of indications that this is probably a trial balloon, but not by the trump administration. i don't think it has anything to do with the trump administration. i think it's some one or some good internal to the key. every human you crane and there's speculation that both gone off the camera. james military intelligence chief, may be involved. because he recently allegedly said behind a closed door rado security session, that the coverage team had only 6 months last until irreversible processes. if negotiate areas, negotiations don't begin soon, but i, i think it's a very bad sign that they're talking about a plan, right? if you're trying to plan before negotiation start, that's a dick top. uh, yeah, well, i mean gentlemen, why don't we reverse this? i mean, it's something that george and i have discussed. there is

a plan out there. it's the us and plan. so why can we use that as a template and say, okay, this is our starting position. it's been public for a very long time. as a matter of fact, gentlemen and my dear audience here, we can go back to december of 2021, with the the, the documents or treaties or demands or dig tabs, whatever you want to call it, sent to nato, and to the united states. george, this is, you know, this is well trotting ground right now. there is where you and i and we have on this program. we have discussed how the west, the, the trump administration are arguing among themselves. but that's a lot of negotiating because you're not talking to the other party, george beer. absolutely right. peters of december 2021 put in presents these 2 dr. treaties once and later. one full of the by the administration. and then a june of last year boots in outline the conditions for a ceasefire, when he said,

which is complete ukrainian withdrawal from the for all bless that says don't bus the national guns, a house on, on cyber, russia and ukraine abandoning any aspirations to join nato. so that's, that is the russian plan. the problem is that the united states to embrace anything like that one, be regarded unreasonably so as a complete defeat, the free for the united states, a total about a failure of it. so you brain projects and it would be seen as obviously a defeat and the humiliation phone made. so that's why i, i, my feeling is the trump really isn't going to pursue this whole piece plan. i that i think for him, this is a vanity project and in the, in the interview that the general keys kellogg gave to the new york post. it talked about the teddy roosevelt's bringing peace between russia and japan to end the 19

o $45.00, a, a rustle japanese was. and so he's, and he liked him, go, trump is the story, you know, as was a neutral, impartial december. first the it would say fuck and you know, bang heads together and bring it to an end. but that isn't going to happen for tom . if he were to go down his father, really getting himself, you know, may be ball in this uh, in as low as only going to be negative for him. there are no upsides for him. so, you know, his best bet really is to, you know, make an effort. so hey, well, i did what i could bus. uh, i, i couldn't do it. he's got a very full domestic agenda. i mean, is it, you know, we, we know, i mean, this is, he wants to dismantling the administrative stage. he's got a lot of political problems of home. he really doesn't need to get himself in homeless. and there isn't any real pressure on him in the way. there was pressure

on richard nixon in 1969 because americans with dine, no americans are dying. so there isn't such a great a pressure on him. and to very much somebody a baby to death. but that is property of diploma say and then we're going to go back and continue as before. yeah. but that's getting the can down the, you know, mark um, it's very interesting that um, in the year 2025 we've heard president kimberly's name mentioned. now we're here compress the thoughts nightmare for and historically i would point out is george and was alluding to their go ahead, jump in mark, because yeah, again, i feel like we're just, you know, this is grips and drabs and i don't think they have a plan i really don't work. i, i love hearing you know, of presidents and presidential administrations pondering history. that's great. although not really appropriate in this particular situation. unfortunately, and this what george talked about here, alluding kellogg alluding this to the ending of the room. so japanese war in the us

played in this, this is one of the hold problems was the us approach to this, right? they're trying now with the trumpet administration to come in and pretend that there is some no troll 3rd party arbiter. that is going to come in and settle this between the 2 conflicting parties. no rush oh is. yeah, yes with. that's right. russia, as far as they're concerned, they are at war with the united states. i'm sorry, you can call this a proxy war a hot proxy war. they're firing missiles into the us and all right, maybe the trump administration didn't start this, although the certainly had a role the previous one in setting the condition that brought about the conflicts and trying to separate themselves completely from it, i think is also false. but, um, russia, they are not interested in a deal with the key every, they don't believe zalinski is legitimate for multiple reasons. then they understand, right?

the us can play this game right where they're not involved. russia is not interested in those games. they understand that they are war with the us. they want a settlement, not a deal, right? this isn't a real estate deal. they want a settlement, a security settlement with the united states of america. and this protects all of a 3rd party arbiter, which they're not even playing the role of they're not listening to both sides. they're coming with a dig thought this is only going to t, the russians off, and they're going to say ok, we talked, we heard your say, we're not interested. here's our terms. we're waiting this conflict, your losing. when you're ready to accept our terms, we will stop, but not until then there is no c spire. well, it's really interesting, george. i mean the, the united states is fading kind of a form of neutrality here, which is quite bizarre. and i'm particularly in light of us, a id and the funding of independent media in ukraine. and they're not involved in

this, of course here. but you know, the, there, there's something in it you don't hear and so much in our media lane here. but george, this has been one of your talking points is that there's always the possibility of escalation. and this is, you know, everybody co, its last last leg is limits on how we resolve. know it's, it's far from over and i, and i really and what, that's one of the things i think that we offer in this discussion here is far from over. george, i don't think it's very far from zillow, because, you know, to the sense that we can make any predictions about what's going to happen the next 6 months and 12 months. it's likely that there will be a strong flurry of diplomacy if we've got the munich security conference coming up . and obviously, kellogg and the zalinski will need trumpet said that he will meet with the is the landscape sometime within the next few days. so there is going to be some mistakes,

but it's only likely to succeed because as well, you know, we've been discussing any of offer. and then this is what trump is really talking about. all the people around trump with which is the less freeze the conflicts in place. and then we can legally of standing math is to be discuss that some lead to a peace conference my later membership. this is the reason for russia to accept anything like that because it would be a complete failure because we know exactly what would happen. nature would use the answer in period 3. um ukraine for a renewal of a conflict in 510 years time. so this is the reason we're not to mention the fact that that would be in a massive nato build up within ukraine during this a, in terms the size. so there's no reasonable it's, but that's why i think. but once this vari of diplomacy comes to an end, and russia says, no, ukraine will also say that because of that, okay,

we're ready to go see to, or trees bus. we want to nato membership, or like right now, the lower the concepts and i would, i would just quibble with you this, then what you're describing isn't diplomacy. it is, it is, is right inside treading water in light. all right. i don't know of another policy gentlemen. i have to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, look, our continue our discussion on some real estate with our team, the the,

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recent history where there have been so many different interpretations of what trump had to say. we will own gaza watch um the alternative media sphere. obviously everyone's talking about it. i'm not really sure i agree with anyone because i'm not really sure anyone really knows exactly how we got to this point. and maybe just from, you know, wing that we don't know, and we still really don't know to this day. what are your thoughts about this a very bizarre, but very impactful story. i think the us is actually own the gods a and a has should have responsibility for what has been hired in that sense. i agree with you. yeah. for decades. right. i obviously trump is talking about it like it's a real estate deal with making just get those pesky palestinians out of palestine. well then they can rebuild the, the new middle east, the really era and, and they like marty they use, it's almost like you think we have to move them out of queens and we can put them

in manhattan. yeah. um. the problem is that that is bare land. i mean we could move, it is right. and the iranians have suggested that we move v as rallies out of israel to separate the 2 of them and move them all to greenland. and then i have to say that idea has some merit, as far as i can see. i don't think uh the as railways or the us or trump really buys that. but. but yeah, 1st of all, it has to be said, the trump is millie mer. merely accelerating the time table for what has been u. s. presidential and these railey presidential policy for decades, which is the ethnic cleansing of palestine. it's just been happening. settlement in house. bobo is that a time for decades now? they're talking about doing it in a larry, and i don't think the question is whether us types end up on the ground, which trump actually suggests that although there has been a lot of walk back from the administration since then. but what he's doing is

giving a big, green light to israel, that it's a now okay to just do that, right. and we'll figure out a way to bashed in the doors of egypt and jordan to make them accept, you know, these arabs being driven out of greater israel because that's, that's really the way they look at it. and the, the us, of course, is ultimately going to be responsible for this. trump has sent to 1000 pound bombs to israel in the last few weeks. they're also talking about another $7.00 and $8000000000.00 arms bill, including guidance kids, presumably for those 2000 pound bombs and more hellfire missiles. they're obviously restocking these rarely military to ethnically cleanse palestine. that was the carrot, that was part of the stick with the ceasefire. deal, you'll give us this,

uh uh, you know, diplomatic photo off that we want for the non duration of a cease fire. and then we'll get you ready to settle this issue for once. in all weather us troops are involved on the ground or not is, is actually move at this point. the big green light for ethnic cleansing and genocide is what everyone should be talking about trumps trying to present this is, you know, simply moving a tenant in the image. that domain can't get a situation to, to another place. 5 is, is really, i think it's a starting shooting how little the liberal western media has jumped on him. which means again, this was biden's policy. he was just less vocal or at least lincoln's policy, but less vocal about it a no charge. how is this and, you know, it wasn't a missed uh, with the american people. how is this america 1st, this is, you know, way we see all of this. talk about tariffs on on allies when greenland, panama,

you know, and there's a certain intrinsic logic to it. i get it okay, but not this in a lot of my good world has been bulking at this here. but what mark is absolutely right. i mean, the 2 state solution that's off the table and even recognizing a palestinian identity is a doesn't have much currency anymore. um these are just moving uh, unruly unwanted tenants a to a different territory. no one wants to say in a inefficient them, this is ethnic cleansing, but that's exactly what it is. and that is why jordan and egypt and no one else is going to follow suit. that's a more crime, george. of course, as a war crime. and basically, you know, you can, one can argue about the meaning of them genocide, but this would indeed be genocide. they knew of removing a population from its uh, its homes and just showing them uh, you know,

where wherever that would be amounts of genocide. now, the problem that i see, which is i, i don't think this is a viable plan because there's no one, no one in the arrow. well, just going to go along with this. and, and particularly trump has to think about, um, well, he's only going to be present for 4 years. then he goes back to his trump organization. and the fact is, a family owned business on the assignment is going to continue long off the trump is gone. and they have a lot of interest and they are, well, they have a lot of interest in the persian gulf. there's no way anyone, anyone that's holding the persian gulf or anything in the arrow stays the saudi arabia and the united. and i remember it's not one of them is going to go along with anything like this, you know, and definitely cleanser as of palestine. i love the sheer scale and what would need to be done is just mine by the shelling $2000000.00 people out. dumping them in

egypt and jordan, they don't have the resources to deal with this. so this will be a horrific act of genocide. and there's no a band no bias. pull this anywhere in the middle east. so i have to think what trump is just doing this is throwing this out there as a negotiating point. what he's doing is if he's for he's doing, he left it what he likes, um, as his favorite negotiating point. hey, i'm the madman. i'm ready to do anything every year that you can stop me. and everyone is terrified of me because they don't know how to control it. so it's putting that out there and now it's going to the arabs and say, look, you don't like my plan. how about you come up with a plan of you wrote it? oh it's okay. you know, you know, like what, what i'm suggesting, believe we do, we just just throw this, throwing them out. okay. what about you, what, what do you have? and that, you know, and he thinks of the now they are going to come forward. okay. yeah, yeah, we will look, i'm a yeah they, they are on plan for administering of the guys that you know, the fly in the ointment is that there is the arrow piece plan of 2002 that well

could easily. yeah, i mean, i would say that, okay, but of course with his at least rhetoric approach that is being pushed to the, to the side. you know, one put a great deal of the conversation about his meeting with the, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. it was, and we go back to this conversation of who's in the wag the dog is this trump's initiative? was he reading from a script? because, you know, when you look at, when, when they did the, you mean press approach and trump was this kind of reading bullet points and then kind of add living it and that's not his style. so i'm having, you know, jared questionnaire do this for him. i your thoughts wag the dog. yeah, well um, i think a lot of people look falsely for the us is leading is real or is real leads the us mainland each other they have they have we can certainly argue

whether any of this is in actual us interest. that all depends on how you define those interests. but obviously a lot of us political lead of intrinsically, you know, linked a is really interest with us interest. i think they both have influence and pull over each other to a very significant degree. but there, there is, is also a great deal of, of mutual symbiosis, right? there's not a lot of disagreement right now may, may be only on or, you know, immediate war ready, ron, that's, that's the only difference i have to dislike. i disagree. i don't think that this is a, any type of uh ploy for negotiations because i don't think is real. has any interest in negotiations that would bring any outside error countries into any type of deal or administration of palestine. they're not interested in that as far as they're

concerned. it's already great or israel. i mean that's the way they talk within the country. and we've seen polling something like the polls i've seen 3 per cent of the israeli population are against the ethnic cleansing of palestine. 3 percent. right? that is a completely radicalized population. right? that is willing to accept anything. i think they're perfectly serious about this in one form or another and they relating each other on it. again, this has been the policy of previous administrations. it was the policy of the bite and administration. it's just being done now on an excel rated time table and being done out loud. he has normalized it something that was not ever done. one thing that, that's just the point, george, is that given what the binding administration at all, they're double talking to him. park we see about the, the, the, the genocide which would not happen in and gods, and without american assistance. obviously here been mark is right. it's been

normalized. and it's very interesting when, when you look, when we looked at trump and netanyahu together, trunk was taking on all the risks. it is really was these released to come no risk whatsoever. again, that's why, you know, people bring up this wag the dog thing because it's been normalized. i mean, they've already killed a lot of people. what's a whole lot more what, what, what is the impact the need on the, the, the, the shock and what we saw over the last 15 months is more now we're just gonna see more of that. and trump is going to take that on. i think it will destroy his presidency if he acts upon it, george, it will destroy his presidency if he acts on it. that's why i don't think it well and, you know, let's say 50000 uh, gardens have been killed by israel for 15 months. okay. well 50000, there's no 2000000. right? 100000. they might want to have 100000, but it's still 100000 is not 2000000 to drive to 1000000 people out. nothing like

this has been seen since 1945 when the germans were mixed up. and dumped, you know, millions upon millions of them inside germany. but at that moment everyone was kind of in yield to mass killings, mass deportations. this would be on a different on up and on. the fact is that and you know, i don't, i don't what israel is going to do, but so far he's royal. i mean he's now withdrawn from the nets. are in car adults, the palestinians returning. so there's a lot of big talk. only going to do there is we're going to, you know, we're going to drive them out. you know, ethnic lansing is going to be part of greater as well. is there is a good at this kind of big, big told in and out. no gentleman to do it, george has already mentioned, and there's a lot of big talk that has various serious consequences. but that's all the time we are going to take my guess in budapest and here in moscow. and of course, i want to thank our viewers from watching us here, r t, z and next time. remember, press stop rules.

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