raising left behind a trail of blood and wounds that canyon nation has not recovered from on sale. now, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross off. were all things are considered. i'm peter level. with the arrival of trump, the west post more liberal order is being dismantled, so long to the rule space order. well, we'll replace the west slogans of democracy, rule of law and human rights. the american empire is not ending. it's only re

tooling the crossing the american empire. i'm joined by my guess, margaret kimberly in new york. she is the executive editor of black agenda report in denver. we have tyler nixon. he is an attorney and political strategist. and in quarter lane we crossed to david reilly, he's an award winning radio host, a conservative activist and co host of the backlash podcast or across stock rolls in effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. we're gonna go to david 1st because he got up early as for this program and it's very much appreciated. the other side of the world. david, what i would do, let's try to get our hands around what's going on around just because so much at the same time. it's focusing on foreign policy. we, we, uh, trump started out by talking about acquiring greenland, panama, possibly making canada the 1st 50 for state. and then we have this big story about us a, i, d,

you can look at that story for multiple vectors. it's fascinating. i think all of us would agree, the seeing a downsize even destroyed might be not, might not be a bad idea. and an outlier is trump's position on gaza, which is kind of a uh, evolving and of course, uh, this week we have the munich security conference and we are told by j. d van. so you crane is top of the list. those are a lot of different things going on at the same time. how, what do you make of it? as i said in mind or duction, i think this liberal order is coming to a get a n n good written spine. it does, it's not democratic. it doesn't support people's rights, it doesn't support workers, that's pretty sure um, but something we see something leaving. what is arriving? go ahead, david. as well, you know, there's been a lot of debate on the right on the left about exactly what is going on in this country. um, i was speaking with alexander duke and earlier this week,

and he believes that there is a conservative revolution that's happening in america. others think that it's a white supremacist revolution that's happening. what i'm actually concerned about is the take over by these tax oligarchs that seem to have captured the republican party for the interest of silicon valley. and frankly, for the interest of israel 1st, not necessarily america. first, and these are very concerning developments, frankly, as a, as a conservative as a republican, as somebody who voted for donald trump. i did not vote to have an increase presence in the middle east that did not vote to take over greenland or panama. i voted to make america great. again, i voted to, you know, i see our country prosper. i voted for an end to the war in ukraine and, and, and the endless wars in the middle east. and that does not exactly seem like what

we're getting now. the usaid stuff, the collapse of this evil, basically c i a front organization is good, but it's just the 1st step. there's a whole industry built around the intervention isn't brushing, change all around the world. and i'm not exactly sure that throwing some red meat to the conservative base in the form of uh, you know, uh, taking down the department of education or usa id. i'm not sure if that's going to cut it because we've got some serious concerns about where we are headed as a country and, and it seems like no one is fully sure. exactly what is going on right now in washington, dc. tyler and you know only now. um. oh is you on most been in uh uh, directed to take a look at the defense department. i think that's the proof in the pudding right there. i mean, it is the most wasteful, or is ation ever known to mankind. it's the biggest, pollute, or by the way as well. so there's a lot of special interest right there. and, you know, and, and david already brought it up and i think it's much more part of our, our,

our parlance right now. but i mean the, all the guards have their fingers and all over that the, all the guards like we have to stress that word because that's what we have. we have tech, all a guards here, and they were from the left. now they're on the right. they're all interested in money. go ahead, tyler. a swell. i'm not exactly sure. i mean, i, i don't take such a dim view at the other 3 weeks in the administration. fair fair. i mean that, you know, it's been a stunning array of both moves against, frankly, what has been you want to talk about oligarchy can move, you had a tech tech to credit, the sort of bureau, fascist police state, essentially jailing opponents. i mean, it's been, it's been a nightmare, frankly, and it's not just been for the last 4 years has been for the last 40 years or more . i mean, i, you know, it all began with the assassination of president kennedy. this, this just horrible. combine of, um uh, sort of, uh, global as you know, they want,

they want american hegemony, but it's always at the end of a gun barrel or through the c. i is intrigues and you know what we need, what we're seeing. i think is the beginnings of the reassertion of america as, as a, as supremacy american supremacy. so to speak, based on the fact that we are a transparent republic run by the people that serves the people. you know, leading by example. i mean, let's face of the c i a there that ill could the deep state, whatever you wanna call, they've sold our, our reputation around the world. they have a squander, or moral moral, standing, or moral, you know, what? and i want to say superior already. we don't have moral superior already, but certainly any kind of moral ground the high ground we might have had it as a, as it would be democracy. and look, i mean, it's not, it's not going to be a pretty thing. but, but, you know, look i, i'm seeing bold moves on like, i've ever seen a my lifetime by any president, even including ronald reagan. i mean, you know, trump, if he follows through on this, i mean the people who are squealing over his,

what he's doing or exactly the people you want squealing because they are the people who've been making things up. you know, just bleeding us out as a, as a nation of totally, again squandering our national credibility. so i'm going to take a big picture view as far as the tech with arcs. i mean, look, you know, i, i buy attended a rally where, you know, he brought pompei o a trump, but part of a lot on the stage. give us a lot of them on the back and said, you know, you're a great guy, mike and all this. and then as soon as he, i mean, literally the door hadn't barely shut and he said, you're not welcome. and you know, the same with nikki haley and, you know, i like, i love that because i think that, you know, trumpet somebody is going to bring you close. but it's an in, with these tech outlook. marks is almost like a, you know, he knows where they stood and how they've opposed him, how they undermine him, over the years. and frankly, i think it's, it's very much of sort of a victory. yeah. okay. yeah. but i think tyler tyler, i think, you know, i think we would all agree. i'd kinda like to have equal distance from the state to

add these off guard. so i want to give them an arm like, definitely at arm's length here. you know, uh, david, one of the interesting things i mentioned not in the, the munich conference is going to be held this week here. but if we, if we, if there's a logical consistency to transform policy, then he's going to continue down the path of keeping nato at arm's length. it doesn't do the us any, any positive. good. there's a lot of money it's entanglements. i mean, if montenegro gets into an argument with a country is united states supposed to go and defend it? i mean, it's absurd. okay. and so i think that's one of the things i'm going to be looking at is that there's the, the american needs to take care of the united states. all that money. a usa, i did, i think the, the, the survivors of the, the reason hurricane would love that money. you, you know, you get my drift. go ahead david. so, absolutely, i mean, nato is an outdated organization. it has, frankly, outlived its mandates. i mean, it was founded to combat the soviet union to provide some balance for the west

against, you know, communism or whatever. and that is clearly no longer the case. i mean, since the collapse of the soviet union, the 1991. we've had natal repurposed working in, i racked bosnia kosovo yugoslavia bombing and campaign after bombing campaign. and it's not for the interest of the united states and it's not for the interest of europe. frankly. donald trump was right about that in 2016. he was right about it when he was talking about it towards the end of his presidency in 2020. uh and uh, if his position is still to dismantle nato and to withdraw from that the organization. i think that would be a good thing for the american people. it would help put america 1st. it would get us away from these 4 and entanglements. and frankly, he is right that you're, it needs to pay his fair share, right? they're supposed to pay a 2 percent of the budget each of these countries that are members and they aren't, they haven't been and we've been footing the bill for that. and, you know, as we've been, you know, sending all of our bombs in our money off to, you know,

blow people up in the middle east. our, our people at home are addict to defend and all they're starving. they are, you know, being replaced by a guy or mass migration, you know, uh, with this kind of take over and silicon valley. uh so, um, yeah, i would like to see a skit out of nato and i would like to see donald trump and the war and russia because that's, that's why most of us voted for him. yeah, been margaret this, the outlier here. his stand on god. so which is quite bewildering. go ahead, margaret, before we go to the break. yes. elements, he's looked like the here. oh um. vitamin had already made oh by margaret, by the end of this week he might not be keep going. absolutely, he did initially because biden just decided to let netanyahu do whatever he wanted to do, which is one of the reasons i think couple of harris ended up losing. um, trump got this deal done that had been on the table for

a year. he looked like the one who was going to possibly change us policy. now we have something even worse of jordan and egypt said they told bite, and we're not taking any body from gaza. but now trump has 10 let go of this idea of ethnic cleansing. that's what it is sending a $2000000.00 people out of the country that the us ought to be rebuilding and claiming the us is going to buy gaza, which doesn't make any sense. so sometimes i think trump is his own worst enemy. he started out and in this regard, looking like the hero, but now he's looking like he's even worse than biden, which is quite a feat. well, it, yeah, i mean they, they might take on and, and, and i, i want to be generous. i mean, we, traditionally, we have the 100 days, right? okay. my take on this on the gods and situation is a, this is why i did, you have a better one. well, there are a lot of better ideas, but that's how we use pitching in here. all right folks, i'm going to jump in here and we're going to go to

a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on american foreign policy under trump state with our date, the a. when i went to the wrong, just don't you have to safe house because the application and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will support,

we choose to look so common ground the the toilet. some remodeling. see some of the less finley or more in the form the she's each screw when the customer will just didn't like they didn't know it sits on the for supposed to do it, but still a notion where yours them. well, that's even your soon as the right. they're gonna deduct months. you said live in your the, the feeling is that a quizzical mama could bethany answer this and do the, [000:00:00;00] the, if you think about russia,

what is your mind picture the bottom landscapes open up the phone lines. the last one. do you imagine the, the discount starts, the journey, the, the, you ready to come along the welcome back. the process were all things are considered on peter level. true mind you were discussing american foreign policy under trump, the okay, let's go back to tyler in denver. this whole us

a id story is. so it's fascinating from so many different angles. one of the things that i found really a surprising is that so many people were surprised, but i've lived most of my adult, i'm sorry, entire life abroad. and i've seen us a, a id everywhere when i 1st came to move to russia and 1998. they were everywhere there funding, everything they had. there were hooks into all kinds. and then when food and came to power, they were all thrown out. okay. and, and, and the rush is much better as a result of it. okay. but i mean, so many people are so surprised. look at the stories and just the right off the top of my head, $41000000.00 and the last george in election. and they're still contesting it to the usa. i d does not believe in democracy, not in moldova, not in georgia, not in romania, romania, nato country, and a new country. they don't believe in democracy there,

which is really and then you look at ukraine. 90 percent of there's what they're independent media is funded by the u. s. government. i mean this is what i find. this is the manufacturing of consent and if we can get rid of that and i, i want to give a hat tip to margaret populace movements on the left and the right. we're being crushed by this organization and they're massive budget here that getting rid of that will let democratic views bloom. this was talks and this was poison tyler as well. i think get what we've expect made it's more shock and not so much for the international, which is, you know, of course, like you said, a lot of think everybody knew that this was the sort of the deep state. uh, you know, military intelligence in, excuse me, military intelligence, industrial complex slush fund. what i think of shocking is the domestic split. i mean, you're talking about like, basically funding political funding, right. all righty. so all of these, um,

suppose that mainstream media organizations in the outlets that were absolutely assaulting trump certainly in assaulting any sort of any nascent movement against just, you know, to take back to republic and to, to, to sort of take down this uh, this uh, almost alien entity that had taken over the federal government and was uh, acting in our name and you know, the neo conservative, neo, liberal, neo, fascist, frankly, borg, or it is as they called the blob, i guess, an appropriate name. and i think that's what's really shocking to a lot of people is the extent to which this was just a kit back slush fund for the, the, the, the democratic party. and frankly, the, the hard left and some of the craziest sort of, um, i mean, daph beyond belief and, and just spend thrift beyond belief. so it's shocking on so many levels just in the profit you see of it, the, the, the breeze, and this of just funding, i mean, almost directly, you know, up the one side of the political debate and in the united states. and then you know

it and then squeal, i mean you can hear the stuff peg squealing now. and i know i love the phoenix music to my ears because these people have told, with our democracy, our republic with our former government, with elections, you name it, i mean metals and everything. and we see now that it's infected, that mindset has infected domestic politics. and now it's been, you know, expose the, uh, the, the covers been pulled back in the cockroaches, their screen. and i mean, i think it's great. i think i, i again, what you're going to have with a, with trump, ultimately is nothing else is a transparent presidency and a transparent government is going to do everything out in the open. there's no back door deals. there's no furtive sort of maneuver is going on. i mean, for better or worse, you're going to know what's going on. it's going to be out in front because he well i yeah, tyler, i hope the language is to like this rules based ordered thing really drove me mad. okay. just call it what it is. okay. if it is america 1st, that's fine,

russel and say, rush, it 1st. china is gonna say china 1st. ok. you know what, everybody? that's called great power politics. it's not alien. it is only this neo liberal into entering it. them that change that k. we're going back to great power politics that can be dangerous to david. one of the interesting things, if you look at a, at like 90000 feet in the air down, is that, you know, the us intelligence community, the perfected regime change abroad. they started doing it in america, starting in 2016 and it's being expose, go ahead or. well, i'm not sure that, you know, i'm not sure that it just started in 2016. i mean, we are in a deeply wounded country while they tried. okay, so they tried to take a president out. okay, that's what i mean. well, okay, a duly elected president. and in 1963, they didn't take the president. now they shot kennedy, they killed him, they killed his brother, they killed martin luther king. these people have been in charge of our foreign

policy for damn near 70 years. so, you know, although there's like kind of nothing new in that sense. there is something new in the sense of what we're seeing now and you mentioned it before in gaza. i hate to take a left turn on that. but you know, our, our friend from colorado was talking about how there are no backroom deals. bolden, what was the $230000000.00 that was given to donald trump? for miriam, it'll send them to zion as lobby. what was that if not exactly a back room deal to get the united states to ethnically cleanse guys on behalf of israel using our funds. our troops are bonds, our money, and our, our blood ultimately. and frankly, i'm concerned about that. i'm concerned about with war with the ran and you know, it's very difficult i think to get a gauge on exactly. um, i think it's very difficult even as an american living here, following the news that to get a real gauge on exactly what is going on in washington right now. i think all of us are in agreement on that point for sure. okay, we get is

a because as i said to margaret before we started as a, by the time we finish this recording, they'll be another story out there that we're going to have to chase. you know, margaret, you started into your 1st and start comparing a trump to bite and we had 4 years a bite. and i, i don't know if he was president that he was officially president who was pulling the lubbers. we've still may find out. but do you see more continuity than change here? because on, in some ways, you know, we have a different cast of characters. the language is very different. the aspiration may be different and not had gemini, but primacy. those are different things. okay. do you see more continuity been change, margaret? i do i see more continuity of the the rules based order. they may not use that particular word, but i do not see the united states behaving any differently in the world. we have

trump bullying, panama, which what a surprise is given the us the right to have a military base. so you're not going to send in troops, but you get panama to do what you want them to do. i don't see that changing. i think the, the washington establishment does not really change. there may be different language. there may be different methods, but anybody who was sense to the presidency once the us to pass primacy in the world to use that term. there may be different methods. but as for nato, the us will stay in nato, they'll just keep pressuring other countries to spend more on military, which is what trump did in his 1st term. so i think when, when the dust settled, there will be name changes, usa id will be subsumed into the state department. we'll see changes like that. but basically us foreign policy is not going to change very much under trump. biting

didn't change very much from uh, the trump administration. he did what he did, but, but worse, so i, uh, am, i wish i could be more optimistic, but right now, that's the way the state is set up in this country. david trump was a very proud on the, on the campaign trail. actually when he was president, then on the campaign trail that he didn't start any new wars is going to be able to keep that promise in this term. david. i hope i hope so, for our sake, for our children's sake and you know, for the sake of the whole country, i mean whether or not he gets us involved in another form or is going to be the absolute defining thing guys, residents to migrate great print in is great and is bad. presidents begin wars, and if we're not careful, you know, we've, we've already seen, i guess some of the representatives from home us have come out and basically confirmed that the cease fire is off at this point because of the united states has position on the middle east on gaza and that is going to lead to

a flare up that is going to lead to more people getting killed. and it could very well lead to american troops being brought in. maybe even a us s liberty moment where israel attacks us and that is used as a pretext to get involved in a wider war and go after their enemies. not necessarily america's enemies. i don't think our foreign policy has served the american people since kennedy was killed in 1963. and frankly, nothing has changed. the question is what to bring to what degree does is real own . donald trump and the the, his appointments in the state department independent gone. uh that is the real question. it will hague assessed help restrain this kind of genocidal intent on the part of benjamin netanyahu and the liquid party? or is he going to turn into a door mat and let, let these people walk all over america? i hope he also doesn't flash or on his tattoos. in addition, i tied tyler to the said question to you because all of us so, you know,

that's why margaret is here because i want her to spectrum here. margaret's along a serving member of the cross talk team and i'm always happy to have her. but we have more consensus here then disagreement actually. um do you think trump can keep his promise of not going into a new war? because like, you know, some of the things he said about a ran, you know, maximum pressure, but then he doesn't want to do what he wants to talk to them. i think he wants to make a deal with the russians, but it will have to include much more than ukraine. i see that in him there's that spark. is there a tyler go ahead, tyler? well, i think uh, yeah, the other guess comments are, are brilliant, frankly, insightful, and i appreciate it because it makes me feel and, and, you know, with the exception of israel though, i mean, you know, talking for example, panama. i mean, it's a hemispheric thing. i mean, you know, this is dealing with the reality of the emerging bricks alliance. okay. tyler? yeah. and what is that? that is that you're, you're absolutely right. and that's

a topic for another program. the western hemisphere itself, you got 40 seconds, my friend keep going. a sure i'd love trump doesn't want to get us an i believe in 100 percent. when he said he doesn't want to get us into a wars. and i think these, these sort of ex concessions to is real and these real lobby are a way of setting it up to setting ourselves up to say, look, we've done enough for you and we're not going to go to war. we're not going to go to work around for you. i think ultimately trump is a deal maker negotiator and he's not going to be taken for a full. then he's not going to get us into the mores. i believe he, you know, he makes that made that promise and he's gonna keep that promise. that's one of his, his uh hallmarks that i'm wrong, but it, well i, myself and myself in my esteem, guess we're going to keep him to that promise. i can guarantee you fascinating discussion across the spectrum. i would like to point out. i want to thank my guest in idaho denver and in new york. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time.

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