start by recognizing that returning to ukraine's pre 2014 borders is an unrealistic objective chasing this, illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering. so the other important thing that he said is the washington also doesn't think that it's realistic for ukraine to become a member of nato. these are 2 very important issues. 2 very important points for moscow, i would think. and we also know that's a trump spoke with white and resilience the following that phone conversation with the vitamin puts in both zalinski and from confirmed and said that they had a positive exchange. but frankly, given by what was talked about in the conversation with vladimir and fulton and why these statements coming from the new chief of the pentagon, i wouldn't suspect mister zelinski to be in a very positive mood today. who would have thought though, that diplomacy talking to one another might actually be working on

progressive screens? you know, it really fascinates me not even only diploma seats, but be certain channels which make these prisoner exchange as possible. that was the one huge one. if you remember, i think in august, a huge prisoner exchange between moscow in washington and we've heard from so many experts was said that it's because of these not even diplomatic communication channels. but the way the security services between the 2 countries cooperating together and in space is again happening in the background sort of a presenter exchange. so it's, it's really interesting how these security services context apparently are actually bringing it. it's a bad chance to get the, the discount is under way by copying light. at this stage, we'll see what progress the problem if there's a lot of questions on the layout as well, or to correspond to gilbert pissed off. thank you so much. i. it's all right, that is where we leave a busy and use run off of the top of the are we will have much more,

but i'm going to leave you with the cross talk. now i, peter and gas talking, indeed the great disruptor, and then what direction donald trump will take the american empire this decade. that's right ahead fisticuffs a a, a, the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered item peter level

with the arrival of trump, the west post, more liberal order is being dismantled, so long to the rule space order well will replace the west slogans of democracy, rule of law and human rights. the american empire is not ending, its only re tooling the crossing the american empire. i'm joined by my guest, margaret, kimberly in new york. she is the executive editor of black agenda report in denver . we have tyler nixon. he is an attorney and political strategist. and in quarter lane we crossed to david riley, he's an award winning video who's a conservative activist and co host of the backlash podcast or across doc rhodes in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate if we get to go to david 1st because he got up early is for this program, and it's very much appreciated. the other side of the world, david, we can, let's try to get our hands around what's going on around just because so much at

the same time with focusing on foreign policy. we, we, uh, trump started out by talking about acquiring greenland, panama, possibly making canada the 1st 50 per state. and then we have this big story about us a, i, d, you can look at that story for multiple vectors. it's fascinating. i think all of us would agree that seeing a downsize even destroyed might be not, might not be a bad idea. but evolving. and of course, this week we have the munich security conference. and we're told by j. d. van c crane is top of the list. those are a lot of different things going on at the same time. how, what do you make of it? as i said in my introduction, i think this liberal order is coming to a get a n n good written spine. it does, it's not democratic, it doesn't support people's rights. it doesn't support workers. that's pretty sure um, but something we see something leaving. what is arriving?

go ahead david. as well, you know, there's been a lot of debate on the right on the left about exactly what is going on in this country. um, i was speaking with alexander, duke and earlier this week, and he believes that there is a conservative revolution that's happening in america. others think that it's a white supremacist revolution that's happening. what i'm actually concerned about is the take over by these checks all the guards that seem to have captured the republican party for the interest of silicon valley. and frankly, for the interest of israel 1st, not necessarily america 1st. and these are very concerning developments, frankly, as a, as a conservative as a republican, as somebody who voted for donald trump. i did not vote to have an increase presence in the middle east that did not vote to take over greenland or panama. i voted to make america great. again, i voted to, you know, i see our country prosper. i voted for an end to the war in ukraine and, and,

and the endless wars in the middle east. and that does not exactly seem like what we're getting now. the usaid stuff that i the, the collapse of this evil, basically c i a front organization is good, but it's just the 1st step. there's a whole industry built around intervention is and regime change all around the world. and i'm not exactly sure that throwing some red meat to the conservative base in the form of a, you know, taking down the department of education or usa id. i'm not sure if that's going to cut it because we've got some serious concerns about where we are headed as a country and, and it seems like no one is fully sure. exactly what is going on right now in washington, dc. tyler and you know only now. um. oh is you one must been in uh, uh, directed to take a look at the defense department. i think that's the proof in the pudding right there. i mean, it is the most wasteful,

or is ation ever known to mankind. it's the biggest polluter by the way as well. so there's a lot of special interest right there. and, you know, and, and david already brought it up and i think it's much, much more part of our, our, our parlance right now. but i mean the, all the guards have their fingers and all over that the, all the guards like we have to stress that word because that's what we have. we have tech, all the guards here, and they were from the left. now they're on the right. they're all interested in money. go ahead, tyler. well, i'm not exactly sure. i mean, i don't take such a dim view as it was 3 weeks in the administration. fair fair. i mean, yeah, you know, it's been a stunning array of bold moves against, frankly, what has been you want to talk about oligarchy can move, you had a tech tech, a credit of sort of bureau fascist police state, essentially jailing opponents. i mean, it's been, it's been a nightmare, frankly, and it's not just been for the last 4 years has been for the last 40 years or more

. i mean, you know, it all began with the assassination of president kennedy. this, this just horrible. combine of, um uh, sort of a global list. you know, they want, they want american hegemony, but it's always at the end of a gun barrel or through the see, eyes intrigues and you know what we need. what we're seeing, i think, is the beginnings of the reassertion of america as, as a special supremacy american supremacy. so to speak, based on the fact that we are a transparent republic run by the people. and it serves the people, you know, leading by example. i mean, let's face of the c i a there that elk, the deep state, whatever you want to call, they've sold our, our, our reputation around the world. they have a squander, or moral moral, standing, or moral. uh, you know, what i wanna say superior already. we don't have moral superior already, but certainly any kind of moral ground, the high ground that we might have had it as a, as it would be democracy. and look, i mean, it's not, it's not going to be a pretty thing. but, but, you know, look i,

i'm seeing bold moves on like, i've ever seen a my lifetime by any president, even including ronald reagan. i mean, you know, trump, if he follows through on this, i mean the people who are squealing over his, what he's doing are exactly the people you want squealing because they are the people who've been making things up. you know, just bleeding us out as a, as a nation of totally, again squandering our national credibility. so i'm going to take a big picture view as far as the tech all darks. i mean, look, you know, i, i by attended a rally where, you know, he brought pompei o a trump dot com a lot on the stage, and that's lot of them on the back and said, you know, we're a great guy, mike and all this. and then as soon as he, i mean, literally the door hadn't barely shut and he said, you're not welcome. and you know, the same with nikki haley and, you know, i like, i love that because i think that, you know, trump of somebody is going to bring you close. but it's an, in, with these tech out arcs is almost like a, you know,

he knows where they stood and how they've opposed him, how they undermine him, over the years. and frankly, i think it's, it's very much of sort of a, a victory. yeah, i'm just by bank tyler, tyler, i think, you know, i think we would all agree. i'd kind of like to have equal distance from the state to add these off guard. so i want to give them a arms like definitely at arms length here. you know, david, one of the interesting things i mentioned not in the, the munich conference is going to be held this week here. but if we, if we, if there's a logical consistency to try this for him policy, then he's going to continue down the path of keeping nato at arm's length. it doesn't do the us any, any positive. good. it's a lot of money it's entanglements. i mean, if montenegro gets into an argument with a country is united states supposed to go and defend it? i mean, it's absurd. okay. and so i think that's one of the things i'm going to be looking at is that there's a b america needs to take care of the united states, all that money a us, i did, i think the, the, the survivors of the, the reason hurricane would love that money you, you know,

you get my drift. go ahead david. so, absolutely, i mean, nato is an outdated organization. it has, frankly outlived its man to it's a mean it was founded to combat the soviet union to provide some balance for the west against, you know, communism or whatever. and that is clearly no longer the case. i mean, since the collapse of the soviet union, the 1991 we've had natal repurposed working in, i racked bosnia kosovo yugoslavia bombing and campaign after bombing campaign. and it's not for the interest of the united states. and it's not for the interest of europe. frankly. donald trump was right about that in 2016. he was right about it when he was talking about it towards the end of his presidency in 2020. uh and uh, if his position is still a to dismantle nato and to withdraw from that organization, i think that would be a good thing for the american people. it would help put america 1st that would get us away from these 4 and entanglements. and frankly, he is right that you're, it needs to pay his fair share, right? they're supposed to pay

a 2 percent of the budget. each of these countries that are members and they aren't, they haven't been and we've been footing the bill for that. and, you know, as we've been, you know, sending all of our bombs in our money off to, you know, blow people up in the middle east. our, our people at home are addicted defense and all they're starving. they are, you know, being replaced by a guy or mass migration, you know, with this kind of take over and silicon valley. uh so, um, yeah, i would like to see us get out of nato and i would like to see donald trump and the war and russia because that's, that's why most of us voted for him. yeah, been margaret this, the outlier here. his stand on gaza, which is quite bewildering. go ahead, margaret, before we go to the break. yes. elements. he's looked like the here. oh um vitamin had the margaret by the end of this week, he might not be keep going. absolutely, he did initially because biden just decided to let nothing yahoo do whatever he

wanted to do, which is one of the reasons i think couple of harris ended up losing. um, trump got this deal done that had been on the table for a year. he looked like the one who was going to possibly change us policy. now we have something even worse of jordan and egypt said they told bite, and we're not taking any body from gaza. but now trump has 10 let go of this idea of ethnic cleansing. that's what it is sending a to 1000000 people out of the country that the us ought to be rebuilding and claiming the us is going to buy gaza, which doesn't make any sense. so sometimes i think trump is his own worst enemy. he started out and in this regard, looking like the hero, but now he's looking like he's even worse than biden, which is quite a feat. well, it, yeah, i mean they, they might take on and, and, and i, i want to be generous. i mean, we, traditionally, we have the 100 days, right?

okay. my take on this on the gods and situation is a, this is my idea. do you have a better one? well, there are a lot of better ideas, but that's how we use pitching in here. all right, folks, i'm going to jump in here and we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on american foreign policy under trump state with our to the if you think about russia, what is your mind picture? the i want to landscapes open up before your eyes. the last one does,

can you imagine the, the discount starts, the journey, the, the you ready to come along? the look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter is a conflict with the 1st law show your mind, anticipation. we should be very careful about visual intelligence at the point, obviously is to create a trust rather than fit the various job. i mean, with the artificial intelligence, we have somebody who would be in the most protect this phone existence was on

the welcome back, the process where all things are considered on peter level true manual discussing american foreign policy under trump the okay, let's go back to tyler in denver, this whole us a id story is. so it's fascinating from so many different angles. one of the things that i found really a surprising is that so many people were surprised, but i've lived most of my adult, i'm sorry, entire life abroad. and i've seen you with a, a id everywhere. when i 1st came to the move to russia and 1998. they were everywhere there funding everything. they had their hooks into all and they would put and came to power. they were all thrown out. okay. and, and,

and the rush is much better as a result of it. okay. but i mean, so many people are so surprised. look at the stories and just to get off the top of my head, $41000000.00 and the last george in election. and they're still contesting it to the usa id does not believe in democracy, not in moldova, not in georgia, not in romania, romania, nato country, and a new country. they don't believe in democracy there, which is really and then you look at ukraine. 90 percent of there's what they're independent media is funded by the u. s. government. i mean this is what i find. this is the manufacturing of consent and if we can get rid of that, and i, i want to give that hat tip to margaret populous movements on the left and the right. we're being crushed by this organization in their massive budget here that getting rid of that will let democratic views bloom. this was talks and this was

poison tyler as well. i say get what we've exp that mean it's more shock and not so much for the international, which is, you know, of course, like you said, lot of pick. everybody knew that this was the, sort of the deep state. uh, you know, military intelligence in, excuse me, military intelligence, industrial complex slush fund. what i think its shocking is the domestic split. i mean, you're talking about like, basically funding political funding, right. all righty. so all of these suppose in mainstream media organizations and outlets that were absolutely assaulting trump certainly assaulting any sort of any nascent movement against, to, you know, to take back the republic into, to, to sort, take down this uh, this almost alien entity that are taking over the federal government and was acting in our name and you know, the neo conservative, neo, liberal, neo, fascist, frankly, borg, or this is they called the blob i guess, an appropriate name. and i think that's what's really shocking to

a lot of people is the extent to which this was just a kit back slush fund for the, the, the, the democratic party. and frankly, the, the hard left and some of the craziest sort of, um, i mean daph beyond belief and, and just spendthrift beyond belief. so it's shocking on so many levels just in the profit legacy of it, the, the, the breeze and this of just funding. i mean, almost directly, you know, up the one side of the political debate and in the united states and then, you know it and then squeal. i mean, you can hear the stuff pick squealing now. and i know i love the phoenix music to my ears because these people have told, with our democracy, our republic with our former government, with elections, you name it, i mean metals and everything. and we see now that it's infected, that mindset is infected, domestic politics, and now it's been, you know, expose the, uh, the, the covers been pulled back in the cockroaches are scurrying. and i mean,

i think it's great. i think i then what you're going to have with a, with trump, ultimately is nothing else is a transparent presidency and a transparent government is going to do everything out in the open. there's no back door deals. there's no 1st of uh, sort of maneuvers going on. i mean, for better or worse, you're going to know what's going on. it's going to be out in front because he well i yeah, tyler, i don't think so. i hope the language is to like this rules based order thing really drove me mad. okay. just call it what it is. okay. if it is it america 1st, that's fine. russel and say, rush, it for it's china is gonna say china 1st. okay. you know what, everybody that's called great power politics. it's not alien, it is only this neo liberal into entering it. them that change that. okay, we're going back to great power politics that can be dangerous to david. one of the interesting things, if you look at a, at like 90000 feet in the air down, is that, you know, the us intelligence community. they perfected regime change abroad. they started doing it in america,

starting in 2016 and it's being exposed. go ahead as well. i'm not sure that, you know, i'm not sure that it just started in 2016. i mean, we are in a deeply wounded country while they tried. okay, so they tried to take a president out. okay, that's what i mean. well, okay, a duly elected president. and in 1963, they didn't take the president. now they shot kennedy, they killed him, they killed his brother, they killed martin luther king. these people have been in charge of our foreign policy for damn near 70 years. so, you know, although there's like kind of nothing new in that sense. there is something new in the sense of what we're seeing now and you mentioned it before in gaza. i hate to take a left turn on that. but you know, our, our friend from colorado is talking about how there are no backroom deals. bolden, what was the $230000000.00 that was given to donald trump? for miriam, it'll send them to zion as lobby. what was that if not exactly a back room deal to get the united states to ethnically,

cleanse guys are on behalf of israel using our funds. our troops are bonds, our money, and our, our blood ultimately. and frankly, i'm concerned about that. i'm concerned about with war with the ran and you know, it's very difficult i think to get a gauge on exactly. um, i think it's very difficult even as an american living here, following the news that to get a real gauge on exactly what is going on in washington right now. i think all of us are in agreement on that point for sure. okay, we get a z because as i said to margaret before we started as a, by the time we finish this recording, they'll be another story out there that we're going to have to chase. you know, margaret, you started near 1st and start comparing a trump to bite and we had 4 years of bite. and i, i don't know if he was president that he was officially president who was pulling the lubbers. we've still may find out. but do you see more continuity than change here? because on, in some ways, you know, we have

a different cast of characters. the language is very different. the aspiration may be different and not had gemini, but primacy. those are different things. okay. do you see more continuity been change, margaret? i think i see more continuity of the rules based order. they may not use that particular word, but i do not see the united states behaving any differently in the world. we have trump bullying, panama, which what a surprise is given the us the right to have a military base. so you're not going to send in troops, but you get panama to do what you want them to do. i don't see that changing. i think the, the washington establishment does not really change. there may be different language. there may be different methods, but anybody who was sense to the presidency once the us to have privacy in the world to use that term. there may be different methods. but as for nato,

the us will stay in nato, they'll just keep pressuring other countries to spend more on military, which is what trump did in his 1st term. so i think when, when the dust settled, there will be name changes, usa id will be subsumed into the state department will see changes like that. but basically us foreign policy is not going to change very much under trump. biting didn't change very much from uh, the trump administration. he did what he did, but, but worse, so i, uh, am, i wish i could be more optimistic, but right now, that's the way the state is set up in this country. david and trump was a very proud on the, on the campaign trail. actually when he was president, then on the campaign trail that he didn't start any new wars is going to be able to keep that promise in this term. david. i hope i hope so. for our sake,

for our children's sake, and you know, for the sake of the whole country, i mean whether or not he gets us involved in another form or is going to be the absolute defining thing, guys, residents. i great, great point in a great and bad president's beginning mores. and if we're not careful, you know, we've, we've already seen, i guess some of the representatives from home us have come out and basically confirmed that the cease fire is off at this point because of the united states has position on the middle east on gaza. and that is going to lead to a flare up that is going to lead to more people getting killed. and it could very well lead to american troops being brought in, maybe even a us s liberty moment where a israel attacks us. uh, and that is used as a pretext to get involved in a wider war and go after their enemies. not necessarily america's enemies. i don't think our foreign policy has served the american people since kennedy was killed in 1963. and frankly nothing has changed. the question is,

what to bring to what degree does is real own, donald trump, and the, the, his appointments in the state department independent gone. uh, that is the real question. it will hague assessed help, restrain this kind of genocidal intent on the part of benjamin netanyahu. and to look through barty or is he going to turn into a door mat and let, let these people walk all over america? i hope he also doesn't flash or on his tattoos. in addition, i tied tyler to the 2nd question to you because all of us, so, you know, that's why margaret is here because i one of the spectrum here. margaret's along a serving member of the cross talk team. and i'm always happy to have her. but we have more consensus here then disagreement actually. um do you think trump can keep his promise of not going into a new war? because like, you know, some of the things he said about a ran, you know, maximum pressure, but then he doesn't want to do it. he wants to talk to them. i think he wants to make a deal with the russians, but it will have to include much more than ukraine. i see that in him there's that

spark. is there a tyler go ahead, tyler? well, i think uh, yeah, the other guess comments are, are brilliant, frankly, insightful, and i appreciate it because it makes me feel and, and, you know, with the exception of israel though, i mean, you know, talking for example, panama. i mean, it's a hemispheric thing. i mean, you know, this is dealing with the reality of the emerging bricks alliance. okay. tyler? yeah. and what is that? that is that you you're absolutely right. and that's a topic for another program. the western hemisphere itself, you got 40 seconds my friend keep going. sure. look, trump doesn't want to get us in, i believe in 100 percent. when he said he doesn't want to get us in any wars. and i think these, these sort of ex concessions to israel, and these real lobby are a way of setting it up to setting ourselves up to say, look, we've done enough for you and we're not going to go to war. we're not going to go to work around for you. i think ultimately trump is a deal maker negotiator and he's not going to be taken for a full. then he's not going to get us into the mores. i believe he, you know, he makes the made that promise and he's gonna keep that promise. that's one of his,

his uh hallmarks that i'm wrong, but i it, well i myself and myself in my esteem, guess we're going to keep him to that promise. i can guarantee you fascinating discussion across the spectrum. i would like to point out, i want to think my guess in idaho denver and in new york. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time. remember prospect the 1st few months time, you know, solution that as ma'am, there's just some of the similar pollution studios testing and the rest of the federalist are so used to not so full insurance. so she thought she needs such

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