[000:00:00;00] the, the big coal, not a mere putting on donald trump, holes a phone conversation last thing, a full 19 minutes. the 2 leaders discussed the resolution to the new prank conflict, the middle east price on some fisher exchanges on that tubs. we must start by recognizing that returning to ukraine's pre 2014 borders is an unrealistic object. in his 1st meeting with nate, so member nations, the us defense secretary rep bumps, the idea that ukraine's foreigners prior to that might done could, can be restored floods in prison, russian citizen, alexander bennett, case to be released from the us jail and use follows moscow for being

a former us m a c employee convicted of drugs and i think we speak exclusively to district clinics lawyer. as you know, we lost his wife was a very strong and very concerned. you know, as a, do any senior wasn't getting fast enough to lead her. and yet to pete's right, he's mostly is quite bored. so everybody was pretty much the just after 11 pm in the russian capital. welcome to the mid week news run off. i'm, you know, we begin with breaking news. some of them are puts in the us president have spoken by phone the 1st time in 3 years. an american and russian leader have taught, bringing an end to the ukraine. conflict was top beach and as a function you them, as it gets closer to the telephone conversation between president pollutants and the president of the united states. donald trump has just ended. it was

a very long telephone conversation. it lasted almost an hour and a half. they discussed issues related to the exchange of russian and us citizens. the president of the united states assured that the american side would fulfill all the agreements reached the topic of a settlement, and ukraine was also discussed. president trump spoke in favor of an early end to hostilities and a peaceful solution to the problem. president putin, for his part, mentioned the need to eliminate the root causes of the conflict. and he agreed with trump that a long term settlement can be achieved through peaceful negotiations. during the conversation they discussed the middle east regulation, the uranium nuclear program, as well as bilateral russian american relations. in the economics fear, the russian president invited the us president to visit moscow. they also agreed to continue personal contacts, including organizing a personal meeting. that's what i wanted to tell you, which i think that's quite a comprehensive updates, even though it's a lot easier for pissing off the ones we know in the studio for more on the siegel

or it may be just the telephone call. but it's a big one. big call in big news for the relationship between moscow and washington . there was so much speculation about whether or not the 2 leaders would speak when they would. and now finally, we've got confirmation both from the white house and from the kremlin that led me to put in. and donald trump spoke for about one and a half hours, which is quite substantial, but perhaps not too much in context of the current to difficult relationship between the 2 countries, which many frankly thought that it was already reached the verge of collapse. and lots of panelists were talking about it and we were saying that especially in the russian foreign ministry of the, to the state that this relationship currently is. it was, it was brought there by the previous us administration, which made so many efforts to do so well. donald trump was saying that he wanted to speak with when we were put in during his election campaign. and now it's good to know that you weren't so these weren't just the election promises,

but the real action switch now happens. we know that they discussed the bi lateral ties. they discussed the situation in the middle east, the uranium nuclear program. donald trump said that the even remembered how moscow in washington fought together against the nazis in the 2nd world war and perhaps creating a positive maybe even a friendly context for this stock. but of course, most importantly, they discussed ukraine, the biggest stumbling blocks in the relations between the 2 countries. donald trump is called on the media to stop off any military action in ukraine and for the start of key stocks. and vitamin important says that he does see a possible diplomatic solution to the conflict, but he says that could only happen a for the root causes of a rush of special military operation in ukraine are recognized internationally and results. and we know, and this has been said so many times by the president, and by the for administer that the to mean we, since our nato is expansion to the east and

a set of ukrainian laws which moscow sees as a discriminatory against the ethnic russians and russian speakers in ukraine vladimir pool puts an also invited donald trump to visit moscow. but of course we don't know any uh, specific dates or whether or not even key accepted this invitation. but still that's a positive signal. and they agreed to continue with their contacts. also, donald trump, after that phone call, said that he spoke with vladimir zalinski as well. and you said that they had a, a full conversation. the same type of feedback came from savanski as well. but frankly, with everything else that was said today in other places and with everything else that happened today, i don't really think that he would be in a good mood, which leads us all to the pentagon chief, making those interesting colorado as well. disney peace talks among, at russia and ukraine, foremost among them. what was said, then your defense minister or defense secretary rather of the united states,

went to the un headquarters to the nato headquarters rather in europe. and the said that the of washington doesn't see it's very possible for ukraine to return to its borders that were in 2014, which kind of means crime. yeah. and then the correct me if i'm wrong, but it kind of sounds that the new administration is, or maybe thinking about recognizing crime is a part of russia. here's what he said. we must start by recognizing that returning to ukraine's pre 2014 borders is an unrealistic objective chasing this. illusionary goal will only prolong the war and caused more suffering. this is quite an extraordinary statement. uh, because it really goes against uh, all the policies of the previous administration, even now still on the website of the state department. it says that the us

government's only recognizes crimea as a part of ukraine. here just a few examples of what was said on the issue of the crime. yeah. throughout the year, i said, very early on that should russia do so there would be consequences for not recognizing what has happened in crime evans together, we have rejected any notion that there is any legality in russia's efforts to annex crimea. but we do not recognize russia's attempt to annex crimea. we agreed to disagree with russia on that front. and our crimea sanctions against russia will remain in place until russia returns the peninsula to the correct in moscow, eventually has to end its occupation of ukraine's sovereign territory. crime may is still sovereign territory of ukraine and also another door

closed for a key of seemingly as lead i 5, the us defense secretary to right. uh, the the headset also said that the washington doesn't see that it's very realistic for ukraine to become a member of nathan and both of both the, the ukraine becoming a member of nato. and the whole border of the situation and of course, cried me. it was something that keith was very keen on resolving and with this possibility closing down, it's not very good news for a key of the us and defense. secretary says that if a diplomatic solution was reached, and if some sort of theoretic peacekeeping contingent was to be deployed along with the line of contact in this complex, then that could not be nato troops. either the so that they could not be protected by article 5. so all of these are not very good news for keith. a prisoner exchange between washington and moscow occurred as well. i'm

a kim or the blue some up because top's all not had not been a night spike either side. so who's free? right, well these things usually take a lot of time. yeah. and prepare usually to down under the carpet and to this is so today what started this whole sequence of events which eventually led to the phone conversation between the 2 leaders. in the morning here in moscow, we found out that a prisoner exchange between washington, the united states was taking place uh, a rush. it was releasing a mark photo, a us citizen of a former staff member of the us embassy in moscow. so a teacher who was jailed for drug trafficking in russia and later on we found out that he's being exchanged for a russian citizen, alexander v need accused of money laundering in the united states. so that exchange which you clearly took a lot of preparation, specifically by the security sir. this is of both countries. it ended up creating the foundation, i guess,

for this phone call. and we've heard already from these folks person of the white house full. so i was talking quite optimistically about this. this news mark fogel, an american teacher, detained by russia, was returned to american soil and met with the president here at the white house last night. special on voice, the woodcock and the rest of president trump incredible national security team helped to negotiate the exchange that secured mark mobiles release. this event shows a good faith effort from russia and it's a sign as i just saying that we're moving in the right direction to end this brutal war. you know, i find it quite fascinating that it was a, as a result of the cooperation of the security services of the 2 countries. because for many, it seemed that diplomatic channels already failed in this relationship. but as we saw during the summer when this massive exchange of prisoners between which in the west and specifically the united states happens,

we've heard from many analysts that these channels communication channels between the security services are always open. and we're seeing, we're looking at it right now again, and it's a remarkable how often you now are mines, the security services are supposed to be working against each other. but in reality, in this particular case, it looks like they end up bringing the 2 countries cold reality. the take, see sometimes you have to talk really. yeah, it shows today talking seems to be progressing. death. all right. to ortiz, your pittsville, take us through all those developments, and there's been quite a few that let's just delve into what you've always talking about there at the end and recap, but the us is set to release russian citizen, alexander vinegar in exchange for recently released former us embassy employee, mark full go who'd being said was the 14 years for drug smuggling. mr. vicks attorney confirmed the swap to archie and an exclusive and 1st, you know,

i go to the form of yesterday by a few days. i'm off to get a 20 is that may be as it wouldn't be as well, we thought it was my plans and that i should get it really useful for that. so. ready as this morning starts with again, having some phone calls with this family. and i finally did call me and said that maybe alexander would be with ease because yesterday evening and said they decided to close the case. so they're waiting close relation a reserve. he's in your base that tony and your weight hadn't missed or i'll call you back. and we said that you would the to maybe have a good news and cannot confirm anything. so all day long we were waiting, you know, full, so confirmations and we birds that you were a small shop. uh, was thinking back to jail. uh for the winter packs these uh, these things usually don't things the to be expedited to,

to restaurant. so. ready so we know is that you left jail and now is getting really useful forest drive mission and we'd be very happy to know when you would be in the plane taking back home. i find any, uh, i in meds, but we assessed subsidies under warranty. reg, man tony's uh, full deals and uh we decided to set something to see if we could push in for direction to, to uh, all the items. uh, we need them to be box and x, y, and the turn to to, to be the case. so we are very, very happy also corporation by trying to fix it to catch the attention opposite original socrates. i wrote it to the 1st to keep the office of moscow and rhodes, whose a bunch of yachts for fees and all of them responded to me. and they told me is that they were very much paying attention about the stuff he needs a situation as you know,

he lost his wife. why the very strong and very concerned, you know, and he could not do any senior, wasn't joking, frost, and could not visit, need her. and he had 2 kids as long as white board. so everybody was very much move by, by his time in the, by the, you mean you manage area situation. so we try that, you know, to catch the attention of us so sorry t. so i rode several times as a special invoice for hostages to the us presidents. and i tried to too many people in the us send it to, to, to make, i mean, i would say, and that's nice to know what sewage was to, with the um, seeing us the potential um, kind of dates for full force. wow. so getting closer to jeanette is getting closer to the 2 i tony's to us. so tony's a to former and 4 inches us presidential hostage is the boy in charge of us securities and just to explain,

but my clients using no sense such as no but on hands. and that's the very much these are to be to be exchanged into, decided by co well, that's the vin, to another aspect of today's development, so to speak, to professor of economics politics opposite mary's college california. jack ross, miss. thank you for your time today, sir. the rubel is rising, following the 1st thoughts between the russian and us president in yours. what impact this renewal of dialogue, if it does progress, what kind of help economically? well, you know, it's interesting that the new defense secretary head excess said that they're going to us is going to intensify the sanctions on, on russian oil. we'll see whether that actually happens or not. at the same time the u. s. is talking about drilling and producing more oil,

do the whole global oil markets in the state of flux, and i think the speculators aren't sure what the price to put on it. and so we're going to see a lot of volatility, an oil price here. and of course, uh, that affects the courage. so use the above. so us dollar and the, the russian rouble. i think you're going to see a lot of the volatility in, in the currencies as well, the rouble and, and the dollar here going forward until this thing. yeah, clarifies whether there's going to be a settlement or not. i don't think they'll be a quick sell not here, although i think the us that has made a significant move here. you know, the negotiating to for the us is like how long it's going to be all trumps top advisors. you know, radcliffe from the c, i a rubio, secretary of state the waltz and c a, a n s a. and uh, you know, his personal onboard with cough here. so it's a serious negotiation. but i think it's, it's going to take several months. it's probably going to be

a quick resolution. the u. s. will probably come out with a middle is position. they may recognize a ukraine and then they'll say a freezing place. uh and then the discussion will be, oh, well, what kind of peace keeping force? they want, some nato in their us. i mean, rush, you won't agree to that. and of course, uh, it won't agree to anything less than, than the 4 provinces of that are an issue here as well. so that is gonna be uh, a long negotiation likely several months. and a lot depends on what your hunch keys gonna do. uh, he's been uh, you know, written the riot at tear whether he goes along with it will be interesting. if he doesn't, then i think there will be 4 selections in ukraine and he'll be pushed out. and then the serious negotiations will begin in may. so is the state of flux, but it's serious now a 1st time i think, and there's a why that the end of the tunnel. yeah, there's no overnight fixed, but it does seem to be

a sort of progress energy. what was one of the topics discussed during the talk, so given trump suppose to lower all prices at that that doesn't sit in all sco ride, so what could the 2 sides have in common on not front or is it just the fact that they can talk about it, that's something kind of dialogue is, is established that, that's important. not the opposite to. yeah, i think it'll be the go sions over the sanctions, the oil, sanction. so you know, the energy sanctions on russia here. i suspect russia will demand some lift thing on the sanctions and, you know, trump's policy is to produce more oil in the us to provide the, you know, the energy in into europe because now europe did not present shortfall the energy, natural gas and oil because and the sanction, so the oil prices, the energy prices are mixed up, but in negotiations under sanctions and no one knows exactly where that's going to

go and whether that will be part of any negotiation and settlement. uh, i don't think the rush is in too much of a hurry to eliminate the sanctions. you know, it's selling it's oil and the global oil prices rising is the global economy sort of creeps, creeps back to our recovery here. but, you know, that's part of the mix, the global speculators, the set, the spot price of oil, you know, are unsure as to where this is all going. that's why you're going to see volatility and then global uh, oil price and the currencies for a while. it just returning to what you sell, repeat the heck said the us defense secretary said that the push to drive energy prices done is actually aimed at russia. we can take a listen together. i'll just get your thoughts after me to further enable effective diplomacy and drive down energy prices that fund the russian war machine. president trump is on wishing american energy production and encouraging other nations to do

the same lower energy prices, coupled with more effective enforcement of energy sanctions, will help bring russia to the table. it is a pretty good example of that cars and stick approach it. it appears that new top administration is, is pursuing because, you know, apart from the talks you've also got the vision on, for instance, from coming up against the new bricks, currency. and he wants to be top of the tree economically. but if you, if you hit too hard and not will not strategy bear fruit. yeah. well, who knows what the outcome is going to be with regard to the brakes. uh, obviously a trip is a little bit worried about the bricks, questionnaire and the influence of dollar. he's made previous statements. you know, he's been kind of on a test, steve and his response about using the dollar not using the data because he knows if the bricks move away from the dollar. that means the value of the dollar is

going to fall, then it's going to be hard for us to attract to a foreign purchases of treasury's right. if the dollar falls, which we use interest rates, we will have to stay high in order to do so, which slows us economy. so all of this is connected did all the domestic fiscal crisis in the us that it's confronting, and the global value of the dollar in the bricks. and the sanctions the uh, there's some negotiations in other words, pending on the whole question, the sanctions that is integrated into these discussions. but it's unclear whether it will be part of it and how much it will be a part of that. but it isn't, it's very clear the sanctions have artificially driven up the global price of oil. and trump wants to bring that down here because he wants to export more us while to uh, in order to raise revenues to cover budget deficit. just say so all this stuff is connected to the n g and increased by the or is it or was that again an

allergy is not cheap on europe is finding that odd. no, no. well, you know, one of the objectives always i believed here. i wrote about an article in january 2022 before the war, entitled 10 reasons why the u. s. bay was russia to invade. one of the reasons, of course, was to drive it out of europe, not just energy, but in general. so the american companies could enter the vacuum, not only in terms of natural gas and so forth, but in banking, in other areas which has occurred. so the u. s. has been successful, whether it's sanctions, but successful with regard to making europe and more of the dependent on the u. s. natural. successful in terms of a, you know, trying to slow rusher of auto reverend there, which hasn't really had much of an impact. so that's my success for the year wish. sure. okay, can i just talk one? we're all on the oil. maybe i'm not even a no, there's other players involved society or pack,

etc. but the more put in point to the russian to us there. major oil producers, i'm consumers at said saying the prices are too low at or high that's damaging to both countries economy. so. ringback is there a balanced approach when it comes to the energy market that must go and washington could agree upon that the benefits both or or is that vagueness that trumpf seems to be pursuing is not going to be the way forward for washington. and i've always been uh, sort of suspected, but how much do you as can control the global price of oil or through sanctions, or is it anything else? so what, what to think is clear, trump wants to produce a bigger supply of oil. and that has to do with exports and oil, and tear of centera parameters and so forth in the course bringing down the price of oil and gas it to us as much as we can. which by the way, has been the latest statistics on the oil prices. and the consumer price index

shows a rapid escalation of gasoline prices at the consumer level in the us, which is driving up inflation now. so trouble wants to bring this this down as much as it can. of course, russia, a lot of it's got the revenue because while they, they prefer a higher price, i think they'll probably meet somewhere in the middle. but i don't think he either russia independently or us independently. it has that much control over the global price of oil, which is driven by global economic conditions. but there is some negotiation over sanctions that are, you know, some, some how wrapped into all of this discussion. in trump, the business, nothing does deals. but does he also understand that it's perhaps better in the long term for the us to, to not be an enemy of russian given the resort has the biggest nation in the world, hold on the, the other customers that it's followed and following sanctions in the global sites

which is rising as well. essentially, you can't afford to ignore the rest of the world on russia's, a key player there. yeah, well, you know, the us is going through an internal fiscal crisis of sorts. you know, we've got a 2 trillion dollar budget deficit and we have a $36.00 trillion dollar national that they were playing bond holders the trillion dollars a year. now what trump is doing is, is trying to cut costs. i mean, the american empire cannot continue funding its empire. the way it has been, it's throwing away a lot of money globally here. and that's why he's cutting, looking for ways the cost saving both in terms of the empire. and, you know, the russia is just too costly, given all the other global costs, and domestically, or the us has to cut costs as well. we're in a period where there's going to be a restructuring of a us global economic empire,

both the offshore and onshore. and that's how you should see trop here. and this is a, this is kind of like the late seventies early eighties when new us with through another restructuring of its global relationships and stabilize the, you know, it's a gemini, or globally for several decades now. that's under, under stress and there contradictions. and it's trying, it's going to do the same and that's how you have to see trumps or it's a bigger question. it's not just us rusher relationships and yet goes deeper at really interesting analysis as whole is from 1st object rasmus, an economist and political analyst as well outside mary's college of california. thank you sir for your time today. my pleasure. well, let's the state state side because other big news is emerging, tulsa gilbert has been confirmed as director of national intelligence by the u. s. senate congress approve, submits gilbert's nomination in a 5248 to vote. a close one,

with just one republican opposing her nomination. now she's known for being a fierce critic of the us intelligence community. she's not upset to least galbraith of summer presidential candidates and iraq war veteran has also did not just us involvements in the middle east, on who crane complex from a director of intergovernmental affairs for the us trade representative. steve go, he was on the program earlier. he said, he's miss gilbert's position on american aid to kids. has proven to be correct as well, both for her and for many of us who been been jo screaming that we need to look at the reality of what's happening on the battlefield. look at the reality of, of, of what you brain has done to their own people as i've done to the folks in, in the past region for the last decade. those of us who were saying those things like policy, like me and others, were streamed for being russian spies and russian advocates in and in the pockets of food. and now the truth is coming out to, you know, again you've got to exist,

you've got to the opposite western europe saying, yeah, that's all, all true. again, one of those great conspiracy theories that have been proven right in the afternoon as again, a lot of people. oh, apologies to her. she's not being given, you know, in the new york times, the washington post, cnn that, you know, the, the best of headlines done the years. in fact, to the extent that they're saying that she could be a threat at 2 to the us going forward. now that she heads nashville at security, is she going to be under like more scrutiny than we've ever seen before? i think unfortunately for those critics, she represents the trump world view, the heads of the world view and the world view that the trump administration is bringing in. so while she was at odds with was defied and his team were doing which was failed international policy on every side. whether it was that disastrous withdrawal from afghanistan with, or we're learning more about the,

the funds that were paid to 100, to obtain the, the benefits from the vital administration. everything we're learning about the failed international policies and the by the administration are now being swept aside with this new trump border. and i think again, there may be critics, but the world view is going to overtake the criticism, particularly is reality becomes more apparent. again, just like in the middle east, look at the heart to just being released. look at these, your people like photo and, and rice are being released and the best going got being released. the rest of the truck is making progress that people thought was, was impossible. steve joel taking us to the end of this news law, but stay with us because i'm an unflinching look of the offense leading up to during the divisive aftermath of the boat. been war is coming up. what you wouldn't have seen on western news? refills in the 19 ninety's is or documentary teams focused next statement,

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