in or the finish or st. question, presidents put an end to trump professionally discuss and bring the ukraine complex to the surprise and, and suing uproar from co, a reaction. moscow tops diplomat find regretful politics is about sitting down to talk and find common ground. i am very sad that the reaction of the west shows that there are practically no such people left. the put talks kept washington's allies in europe, off guard as well, with ts, don, you back or is now really to be included in the decision making process. and you praying sanctions its own. the former president's killed reporter sank though, following whitehouse. pause for vladimir zalinski to finally hold elections

the from our headquarters in moscow. you're watching our t international. i'm rachel ruble. moscow's top diplomat has taken shots of the west as what he describes as a normal phone call between the russian and us. presidents has caused an uproar among ukraine's allies for ministers target love. her. i've added that his colleagues in europe seemed to have forgotten how the diplomacy works. the nipple as usual, but as you just uh, i was struck by the fact that the whole world is now in a kind of stupid. they regard the phone conversation and the result of that phone conversation as something out of the ordinary. so this is wanting to bite in administration led by the president, that european satellites have brought themselves to. and they have discarded diplomacy as a method of communicating with the outside. well, judging by the surprise, the stupid that the foot in coal between trump and polluted cause,

the west is taking everything that's going on in ukraine. what zalinski is nazi regime is doing as a given that this is exactly how you should communicate with russia. that is probably why many in the west, starting with the leaders of the european union, was stunned when a normal alimentary conversation between 2 well mounted polite people took place. people who do not take know the differences and the many of them, but who are very aware that politics is about sitting down to talk and find common ground. i am very sad that the reaction of the west shows that there are practically no such people left there and went to well minded people demonstrate how politics must be done. i hope it will cyber up those who have forgotten and make them re read the history and political science textbooks that came all right, let's speak now to our days donald quarter, who is in the studio with me for more details. so don, what's the latest on addition to what we heard from sort a live, rob, we also have some new commentary from the kremlin, about this phone call between donald trump and vladimir putin. and it looks like

they're already getting the ball rolling in terms of organizing an in person meeting between these 2 heads of state. it was showing the dish and global this wonderful chair of the heads of states agreed yesterday during a telephone conversation that they themselves would continue to contact and are looking through a separate meeting. we also agreed that instructions would be given immediately to the relevant aids. so that they can start the necessary work. now, of course, the work will be started quickly. it will be necessary to wait for certain developments. it will be possible to talk about where when and so on, was an important conversation, considering the situation of the last several years when there has been no high level contact between moscow and washington. of course, that lack of contact did not contribute at all to the search for any settlement options. the previous us administration held the view that everything should be done to ensure that the work continues as far as we understand the current administration. and here's to the view that everything must be done to stop the war and for peace to prevail. where much more impressed with the position of the

current administration. and we are open to dialogue. the experience of them is good, women speaks volumes, and of course we will always take this experience into account in all future steps . and as far as significant the pest golf mentioned, the minsk agreements there that were supposed to establish a ceasefire all the way back in 2015 when they were assigned to they were supposed to establish a ceasefire and ukraine conflicts. and these agreements were signed off on by germany and france as well. only further officials later to admit that the minsk agreements for them were only an excuse to buy time for ukraine to build up its military. so of course, rush at this point is not interested in just another ceasefire. they want to end this conflict once and for all. and because of this whole situation, a lot of the european union media outlets and officials feel like they're going to be sidelined at any negotiations between the us and russia. so what is the cranes position looking like? and all of this right after his conversation with bruton trump actually called

vladimir his lensky, and according to his lensky himself, this conversation was about an hour long. but at the same time, ukrainian media was saying that it was only 10 minutes and this might have something to do with the fact that ukrainian media outlets had been reporting that . so that basically keith is becoming more and more worried about being sidelined in some potential negotiations between the united states and russia. and when trump was asked whether or not ukraine would be on a level footing with the other countries that are in this negotiating process, he basically said that they just have to make peace in the us. um, and is there a st question? uh, i think they have to make peace that people have been killed and i think they have to make peace. i showed that was not a good way to go into, and i think they have to make peace. that's what i'd say. so don, do we have an indication of what a future deal might look like?

well, based on the trump administration's recent statements, it's really looking like they have a much more pragmatic, realistic approach to any sort of potential peace negotiations. and that for ukraine means that they are going to be in for a serious reality check. secretary defense who is excellent. pete made a statement today saying that he thinks is unlikely or impractical. i think probably that's true. i think long before president button, as i said, there's no way that allow that this has been going on for many, many years. and they've been saying that for a long time, that you crank and not go into nato then, and i'm, and i'm ok with that. i just want the word whether they are there or not. but i, it certainly would seem to be that most people have said that, that is something that's not gonna work. well, i think pete said today that that's unlikely, right? we must start by recognizing that returning to ukraine's pre 2014 borders is an

unrealistic objective, is chasing this. illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering. that certainly would seem to be unlikely. they took a lot of land and they fought for that land and they lost a lot of uh they lost a lot of soldiers, but it would just seem to be and i'm not, i'm not making an opinion on it, but i read aloud on it and a lot of people think that that sort of likely have us defense. secretary was also asked if the trump administration stance constitutes a betrayal of care when he was at a press conference at, during meetings with nato defense ministers. and he didn't think he didn't seem to think so what all, let's take a listen to what he said. well,

that's your language. not mine, certainly not of betrayal. but as i said to our allies yesterday, we recognize the incredible commitment that has been made over many years. and no country, as the president trump has pointed out, has many larger commitment to the ukrainian mission in the united states of america, north of $300000000000.00. so the united states has invested in stabilizing those front lines after the aggression of russia, there is no betrayal there. there is a recognition that the whole world and the united states has invested in interested in peace, a negotiated piece. so really looks like what we're witnessing here is a serious paradigm shift, a paradigm shift towards peace and a paradigm shift that european union and ukraine might not be too happy about. and interesting things were moving in a very positive direction, though, for, towards looking toward an enter this war done quarter. thank you. to well described as a direct and warm conversation between the russian and american leaders. the call caught

european officials completely off guard. washington allies were now reportedly rushing to ensure that talks to include them and key of in any peace negotiations, adding that you support will continue until peace is reached. and while the trump team has made it clear that ukraine's bed for nato is unrealistic, germany persists in pushing cabs membership. the dollars using this is obviously, it's unfortunate. and i say this truthfully, the trumpet ministration had already made public admissions to put him before negotiations. i've even begun from my point of view. it would have been better to talk about ukraine's possible nato membership or the countries lots of territory only at the negotiating table and not take it off the table beforehand. reaction from main stream media also came pouring in. some outlets have stated that us relations with europe will never be the same. others claim put and then trump are now calling the shots with the middle ground questioning the faith of ukraine after

washington's meddling. not all european leaders are on the same page as the hon, gary and prime minister has blasted the statement demanding is countries have a role at the negotiating table. this declaration is a sad testament of bad brazilian leadership. while president trump and president putin negotiate on peace, e u officials issue worthless statements, you can't request a seat at the negotiating table. you have to earn it through strength, good leadership and smart diplomacy. the position of brussels to support killing as long as it takes is morally and politically unacceptable. let's cross now to economist. i can hammer a publisher of vips off a 12 business newsletter. i guess this news of this big call between put and then trump 1st broke, the russian stock market has gone up, and the rouble is growing stronger against the us dollar. how would you explain this immediate reaction and what you expect in the longer term?

but 1st i expect um that for the reason for this uh, uprising of the stock market and the ruble could be that the russia will be back in the international market with the west. they already in the market with the brakes . the most important market also the future, but now they are returning in to the west because these structures that were behind the. busy are in ukraine and were fighting against donald trump and trying to prohibit that he gets into power again have lost and this is what they have to admit that me now. so now um business b. busy um, are very keen on getting back to russia and this is what i think is the reason behind this is uprising. what do i expect? i expect in very short term that not only all the sanctions are going away, but the also that we will get to these trade union from black. you will start to

list up on which will be the biggest economic wealth program for hundreds of years coming. and i think this will now be developing and america is. busy are we trying to negotiate somehow, how to partner in this, your asian project? like a, a, how would you think in peace talks over ukraine are likely to affect the global economy? do expect any major peebles anytime soon? i oh, yes, it is. busy very important thing to do it occasionally with um, the ukrainian p stocks at will be obvious that the raw materials from ukraine will be able to be used again. number one, number to the board or the imaginal border that has been uh, rose in up by nato. the and these networks all these uh, cert, good service, uh,

entities or networks that have that were behind the ukraine. you were and they are tear down. so this border is going to be tear down. we have the possibility to, to make. busy him a huge market from this up on to bloody loss stock. and this will be the future center of wealth and economic power on the planet. because this combines most people and on earth. this combines the easiest way to trade with each other. it combines no risk due to trade routes off of oceans and something like this. so this is all a land mass, and this is the nightmare that the brits and the americans until now. all these evil networks in the us had until now to that, russia and germany can be working together again. of course they ride up to the last moment. they tried everything to prohibit this uh,

the peaceful work from germany and russia. but now it call ops us, and donald trump is a big supporter of buildings, things out and not tearing things down in the previous regime and you in the us, but also these into an s and networks and don't forget may to and that european allies puppets however you want to call. busy them, they were the biggest enemies of donald trump and getting him back into power. and they are still the biggest enemy of any prosperous economic development in europe. and of course, and in the brakes. countries including russia too. and this also. busy is a pop, now they are bankrupt, they are done. and this is why we're facing a very, very positive face in, in, on the european continent. again, a speaking of developments in europe, there is some concern among european officials that they will be stuck with the

bill for ukraine's reconstruction. if it does come to that, is that something that the you can actually afford whether you can't afford this, but what these people who are very tied in these a network of enemies of donald trump and enemies of russia, they are, they are facing legal problems, probably but they also facing the problem that all the measurements, the money evey invested into this. busy was basically illegal and now they don't know how to, how to budget this. the next phase will be that the, the european project like the you project will probably call ups um, with this uh piece in in ukraine. it was one of the last straw. so that the, you and the nato a talk to justify their, their existence. but this is now call ups and yes, the you is over stretched by if they have to pay for the. busy of the,

of the you, the ukraine, but i'm not sure where the, this will be necessary because i cannot believe that the russia will, will allow the ukraine to be a state where the brits and the french will be able to build up the next problem for russia again, so i'm not sure how these negotiations will end. okay, we're gonna have to wait and see, then i can hummer economist and publisher of their chops, act well, business newsletter. thank you. as well on the eve of the munich security conference to be held in germany on friday, $28.00 pedestrians including children are reported by injured in a car running incident on the city streets. the attack occurred during the very a trade union strike over an ongoing wage dispute. law enforcement are at the scene and say the driver has been secured. the driver is reported to be

a 24 year old asked in man security conference as well us vice president, judy vance and blood residence play the lives the are expected to attend. officials claim there is no connection between the incidents and the upcoming meeting. the. the key of has slapped the countries former president of children publishing co and the number of major you're creating your ukranian. businessman with personal sanctions, latimer zalinski has accused them of destroying the country's national security. those on the list are banned from leaving the country and the assets have been frozen, or single has called the treason allegations. he's facing a publication. the former president like ukraine for 5 years following the western back to might on 2 in 2014. his party is now closely trailing zalinski and recent opinion falls as far shingle, openly criticized as his successor. the sanctions were imposed shortly after the

white house urged kids to hold elections. no, i don't think so as long as he's there, but you know, at some point you're gonna have to have elections to you're gonna have to have an election. meanwhile, ukrainian parliament has descended into chaos. pershing those party members are blocking their colleagues from the tribune. and peace from the european solidarity party also brought posters, which read quotes no to political repressions. all right, let's discuss this now with a former advisor to ukraine in member of parliament, andre, until the jenko under going to have you on the program with us. q of, as i said, there hasn't posts, sanctions on one of the country's prominent politicians the very same day. donald trump has urged ukraine to hold presidential elections. what do you think is behind this move? i see per shape. the 1st of all about our students. it was only a dictatorship which she made any grain after the coup inside of the court city

after going and got this sort of opponents. while he has and solved the top political opponent. he was quiet about people getting the science and the new brain . i pushed it got section, but as long as the regime and he, he was spying about all of this stuff for years and years. and that was flying to into the tv and into the public section. that's one thing he got his is on track in the car, my decision. but at the same time, i believe this is all of the little for k, for my certain point of view, they're trying to protect us, going to get it as it really is raised by just because people in your brain, i kind of support somebody who was be attacked by the receipt. so this may be a pull it up. okay to get fortunately because right, you're back on track because he's at a ditch right now. how do you see is a wednesday responding to trump's calls for about? do you think that he will agreed to hold an election, a customer service?

the reason i was trying to sell this property on the ground right at all, there's no connection with the new administration. there's no understanding of what is really happening in walks was important as the last who was he worked as well as these days that he can literally the new trumpet ministration. because we have the british intelligence behind him in the deep state, which is fighting from what he cannot, you'll have to basically go under what other trump and russia is going to agree on and make and basically to run for his life because he has no other choice, he will not have a political future and you pray and it does not include, but for jeffrey as to what he has done, he wouldn't give. he will have the support of a deep state or the brakes or anybody else. he has not. he doesn't have political features, so you'll have to one for as i have the change of government to ukraine in considering these sanctions and allegations against a partial par shank. go if there were to be an election,

would he even be eligible to run for president? the data that is right now he had because really very low. he had to loosely, it's almost orbit being pushed to run for president. but to see the house illusion right now was basically, he's very active, politically and his background is not ideal. you brought out all these desk to the training also he was the one responsible for this also has turned all these matters to die. i go through the rest of the storm military and he is not a political figure. so now the say the state is trying to realign and we change the political agenda, the frame, and get back park sank on track. so i think with the sound of cases against them, these political so called refreshments against force angle are going to get his rate back on track and get him into the political line for the so called the elections, which are not going to make sense that he's afraid break because there's no way to

choose from the safe people who want more are going to be children are going to be the ones that are going to go. so government right from during the office. there's all position that you break is be this 4 or 6 is about the position. so if elections were to be held tomorrow, um, who do you think would make it into office? so are you saying that a were not at this point? doesn't even matter who, who would be like it doesn't matter who is going to be elected for those people are going to runny, is gonna run files right now and grant. there's no real position that has to be a piece of government. the frame united states has to leave all its foreign influence from ukraine, all been so hoops up to the brain. the printer has to become a sovereign state for some sort of time be, have a neutral government, which will bring the piece to the country. and then after that, maybe we could have real actions and bring a real government to power, which will be left by the people who would, who would want peace with russia and will solve this whole nonsense, right? how do you select those? are only gonna be some government that's my continuation with my side of the piece

or to a couple solution agreements with russia. and that is that everything else, these numbers aren't going to make a difference of the brain because it's all run by the same people outside of the, of the country in washington, and one of the a mentions illusion. a few moments ago opinion poll shows the landscape party a 2nd only to lose nathan popularity. he's currently the ukrainian bassett, or to the u. k. does he pose any kind of political risk to the current c, p of administration to the patient registration and the regime the frame has no power. all the radius below was below the brown, the radius, all falsifying. so what we say is ratings also boxed up by the same people who want to put him into power, but he has no political future because he is this. he's not even an actor to act this rule. he's very step in political views inside of the form, the senior who was trying to be trying to put some progress at all clips. so the

westport to do same thing, but he doesn't have the abilities to become a political leader. so that's why they bring in for change or try to bring in port saint before they go back on track. so anybody, there's anybody who's going to run for office right now can be july us the easily because darcy's review have 0 support or on the ground, any print. all right, we're going to live with there on. do i tell her shank, though former advisor to are you printing a member of parliament? andrea, thank you very much. all right, let's turn it to hungary now. or budapest is commemorating the 80th anniversary of its liberation from nazi occupation. the annual event features a reef lane ceremony at us soviet era memorial, attended by local officials, as well as representatives from the russian by the russian. and because embassies moscow's envoy to hungary, of getting status level of took part in the event, paying his respects. but this comes as the russian embassy race concerns over

a rise in vandalism, against soviet monuments in hungary. all right, let's cross a now to george semi while a senior research fellow at the global policy institute. george, what is the significance of what is the significance of this 80th anniversary of soviet liberation? what does it mean for hungary considering the shifting historical narratives that were seen in europe? well, the significance says that unfortunately, many hung gary ends refuse to accept the historical reality of what that events uh, sickness. but they, they don't really appreciate the fact that hungary, for no reason that's all the work for without any problem the cation declared war and the soviet union, until the nazi invasion in 1941 hungry supp, a considerable casualties during this invasion of the soviet union. and eventually that was going to be a reckoning more of

a what that happened in the hungary was it in, in 1944, the germans um occupied, where they, they moved in unoccupied, hungry and the, the government at the time. i real whole team is too much of my and hungry began the deportation mass, deportation of jews. it started in april of 1944 and continued for can. so some time off was so really very, you know, you hunger is really on to hiding to nothing. when the red army came, and we'll have to remember that it's not as if i'm very just simply gave up in 1944, you know, within the face of the read on it, the hung gary ends and the germans together. the, you know, the arrow across the fax is the hunger and the germans together for, for rushes. the absolutely who is one of the, the fluids for roaches baffles of world war 2 in against the red army,

inflicting severe casualties on the russians um need it was a big thing for us to, to, it's comfortable to the back of styling rather than the battle of bell in george, hungary has actively maintained and restored it's desecrated memorial as well other eastern european countries, for example, ukraine, poland, and some baltic states are actively dismantling them in many ways, effectively a racing history. what subs hungry a part here? well, that's very interesting. i think the hon gary ends and particularly with the the government to fix or bombs have taken a very mature and realistic view of hunger is role in the world and rushes role of the world. and that needs to hunger is advantage not to continually re good youth age, all of the grievances against the russians, particularly over the i communist period from uh,

1947 through to 1989 which many in the eastern europe in the baltic states. and in poland, do come simply rehashing that will the grievances about the communism hungry is elected to put that behind it and to cultivate good relations with the washer because it's do hunger is advantage to do so. that's been the case with on the victor are right. you know, who knows what would have happened had other political leaders the much? well, what is the reason you think uh why the west and some post soviet states are rejecting outright or even re whiting a history and outcome the of the fight against nazi occupation during world war 2. why would they do this as well? because they believe that's ultimately well, you know, whatever, you know, the, you know, the foibles of hibler in the nazi's and the, yeah, but ultimately it was a good fight because it was a fight against the terrible russians. and so,

if you subtract from that all the ugly, unacceptable facets of nots isn't the, the fundamental goal was a noble one which was to flight russia. and therefore, what the, what is happening now, which is a kind of a european continental, mobilize under the auspices of nate, so is not dissimilar from a european continent mobilized on the nonsense. it's driven by the same impulse, which is a hatred and anger and resentment against russia and the desire which is, which has been expressed many times by, in poland in the baltic states. kind of a desire to break up russia and to take whatever of a spoils that will come their way of following the breakup of russia and that so the goal is remain the same. you know, the regimes different, but the goal remains the same. all right, we're going to live with our jar, sent me while a senior research fellow at the global policy institute george right to have you on,

as always. thank you very much. all right, and do stay with us here on our to international. i'll be back with much more news and just about half an hour, i'll see you then by the the, my fellow americans. today, our armed forces joined our nato allies in air strikes against the serbian forces the .