originates has not been resolved so far. the interesting question presidents button and the trump officially discuss and the ukraine complex to the surprise and, and suing uproar from yeah, the reaction moscow substance and that finds more credible politics is about sitting down to tool and find the common ground. i am very sad that the reaction of the west shows that there are practically no such people left that the top catch washington's european allies off guard as well. with you have some sante, you backers, now relaying to be included in the decision making process. and you crane sanctions as own former presidents theater, par sango following white house calls for vladimir zalinski to finalize the elections the

we are watching r t international live in moscow. i'm rachel ruble. hello world is one step closer to piece. after the 1st official phone call between the us and russian presidents in years, donald trump and the kremlin both shared and update reaction pointing to a positive attitude that should help you get the credit and conflict ended. the push limit is global there to secure the heads of states agreed yesterday during a telephone conversation that they themselves would continue to contact and are looking to a separate meeting. we also agreed that instructions would be given immediately to the relevant aids so that they can start the necessary work. now, of course, the work will be started quickly. it will be necessary to wait for certain developments. it will be possible to talk about where when and so on, was an important conversation, considering the situation of the last several years when there has been no high level contact between moscow in washington. of course,

that lack of contact did not contribute at all to the search for any supplement options. the previous us administration held the view that everything should be done to ensure that the work continues as far as we understand the current administration. here's to the view that everything must be done to stop the war and for peace to prevail. where much more impressed with the position of the current administration. and we're open to dialogue. the experience of the means good women speaks volumes, and of course, we will always take this experience into the account in all future steps. well, why don't we, as lensky is actually giving his 1st $0.02 about these proposed negotiations between vladimir putin and donald trump. and of course, a lot of his talk was focused on asking the west for more money. but he also made a lot of strong statement saying that ukraine isn't going to accept any sort of peace negotiations that are conducted without key of participation. then he also said that americans are pretty much guaranteed to die in an upcoming fantastical russian attack on europe. would you give us any bilateral talks about ukraine?

i'm not talking about other topics, any bilateral talks about ukraine without us. we will not accept it. as i said yesterday, when we talked with the minister and i told him that, you know, what are your american brigades, which are they nato troops, they are located in europe. and if there is the invasion, it will be fast. so your military will fight. i told him that they have to save the lives of the people because there are around, i don't know. there are 100000 americans in europe. they're going to fight and not everyone will survive. well, quite the statement from zalinski there. it doesn't seem like he and from c i at all, do they? well, clearly it looks like kids really worried that the us is going to sideline ukraine for many sort of peace negotiations in the future. but so once the saying that key is not going to accept any sort of negotiations between the us and russia, that's probably in the sky thinking especially can considering who actually pays the bills in ukraine, right. it's the united states and trump was even asked if she was going to be

considered to be on equal footing in any sort of future negotiations between the us and russia. and all trump said was essentially he needs them to make peace. interesting question. i think they have to make peace that people have been killed and i think they have to make peace. i showed that was not a good war to go into and i think they have to make peace. that's what i take on top of that. trump and his defense secretary have already publicly said that nato membership for ukraine is completely off the table. and thinking that anyone's going to return key up to its pre 2014 borders is completely unrealistic. and these are statements that are incomplete contradiction to the main war goals. the cube is actually put forward secretary of defense who's excellent. pete made a statement today saying that he thinks it's unlikely or impractical. i think probably that's true, i think long before present a boat. as i said,

there's no way that allows that this has been going on for many, many years. and they've been saying that for a long time that ukraine can not go into nato then. and i'm, and i'm ok with that, i just want the word whether they are there or not. but i, it certainly would seem to be that most people have said that that is something that's not gonna work. well, i think pete said today that that's unlikely, right? we must start by recognizing that returning to ukraine's pre 2014 borders is an unrealistic objective to chasing this. illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering. it certainly would seem to be unlikely. they took a lot of land and they fought for that land and they lost a lot of uh they lost a lot of soldiers, but it would just seem to be and i'm not, i'm not making an opinion on it, but i read a lot on it. and lot of people think that,

that sort of likely. so what are we looking at here as far as a potential future deal? what could that look like? well, it's starting to look like something that russia can finally actually work with after years of the united states, essentially showing little to no interest and anger having actual negotiations based on realistic conditions. and us defense, secretary was even asked if this new sort of radical u. s foreign policy change could be considered a betrayal to ukraine at a press conference during his meetings with nato defense ministers. and he said, not at all that's your language. not mine, certainly not a betrayal. but as i said to our allies yesterday, we recognize the incredible commitment that has been made over many years. and no

country as a president trump has pointed out, has made a larger commitment to the ukrainian mission than the united states of america. north of $300000000000.00. so the united states has invested in stabilizing those front lines. after the aggression of russia, there is no betrayal there. there is a recognition that the whole world in the united states is invested and interested in peace, a negotiated piece. so clearly what we're witnessing here is a huge paradigm shift. it's a paradigm shift towards piece, and it's a paradigm shift that you have is obviously not very happy about to well described as a direct and warm conversation between the russian and american leaders. the call caught european officials completely off guard. washington's e. u allies have issued a joint declaration demanding a see to us and negotiating table by adding that you support will continue until an agreement is reached. but not all european leaders are on the same page of this declaration is a sad testament of bad brazilian leadership. while president trump and president

putin negotiate on peace, e u officials issue worthless statements. you can't request a seat at the negotiating table. you have to earn it through strength, good leadership and smart diplomacy, the position of brussels to support killing as long as it takes is morally and politically unacceptable. look or bottom there is talking about a statement put out by several european for ministers assisting the ukraine. and that you must be at the table for any peace talks. yeah, there at the table. all right, the key, the table along with ukraine. and while they're busy playing with things like full moon animals and thing, words like how they're going to quote, enhance their support for ukraine, which usually means more people dying to successfully be fresh or on the battlefield. like they're running some kind of status. the gaming league, it turns out that russia and the us, so trump and pretend we're actually having a personal conversation, as trump said yesterday, announcing the start of immediate negotiations for peace. and now he was acting

like it's just been done by uncle sam who's committing b, adding in soul of hanging around with it's x. if there is agreements made behind our backs into each simply not torque because you need for any kind of dean. any kind of agreement you need europeans to implement this the you need the ukrainians to implement this state. yeah, you can't break up with me. you need me. that sounds not crazy at all. you even have the german defense minister yelling from the kitty table over to the at all table trying to tell trump and food and how they should be conducting negotiations . now, the dollars using this is obviously, it's unfortunate. and i say this truthfully, the trumpet ministration had already made public admissions to prove them before negotiations have even been gone. from my point of view, it would have been better to talk about ukraine's possible nato membership or the countries lots of territory only at the negotiating table and not take it off the table beforehand. sounds like you're a few leaders are currently experiencing all 5 states of grieves at once. well,

frantically refreshing their inbox, just to see if maybe the u. s. or russia have noticed their total meltdowns and maybe slid into their gm's and not just taking it as a confirmation that ghosting them entirely was maybe the best way to handle the situation when they're already sounding like they're on the verge of throwing every dish in the cupboard straight across the room, all we need is peace, just peace. ukraine europe in the united states should work on this together. today might go down in history as a dark day for europe now. depends on your opinion leaders to finally recognize that we must take our fate into our own hands. right now. ukrainian agency and any piece talks is crucially important in order to have successful peace steel. russia needs to be weakened on the battlefield, rushes, politics, economics, religion, media, private sector. it is all oriented towards war. thus russia has to be forced to peace. so europe and ministers in delegations had been meeting here in paris

earlier this week for what they thought was a very important strategy session, only to realize that they were basically just holding the equivalent of a giant circle jerk. corporate team building exercise here is ukraine's foreign minister. you fix the role ensure and just and comprehensive almost and fees for your security and security. and the reasonable, basically at this point from the seas you're at as an atm, pretend it's easier as background noise. and they're already picking out the table settings for their piece talks while europe is left standing outside that the ip room begging the balance or to check the list again while they stand there trying to deal with ukraine's toddler tantrum on moscow's top supplement, us taking shots at the west as what he describes as

a normal phone call between the russian and us presidents has caused an uproar among new trains allies for ministers. second law prov added that his colleagues in europe seemed to have forgotten how diplomacy works. you know what i just thought, but as you look just i was struck by the fact that the whole world is now when it kind of stupid they regard the phone conversation and the result of that phone conversation as something out of the ordinary. so this is wanting to abide in administration led by the president. the european satellites have brought themselves to and they have discarded diplomacy as a method of communicating with the outside. well, judging by the surprise, the stupid that the phone call between trump and polluted cause the west is taking everything that's going on in ukraine. what zalinski is nazi regime is doing as a given that this is exactly how you should communicate with russia. that is probably why many in the west, starting with the leaders of the european union, was stunned when a normal alimentary conversation between 2 well mounted polite people took place.

people who do not take know the differences and then many of them, but who are very aware that politics is about sitting down to tool can find common ground. i am very sad that the reaction of the west shows that there are practically no such people left there and went to well minded people demonstrate how politics must be done. i hope it will cyber up those who have forgotten and make them re read the history and political science textbooks. that cute. all right, we can speak live now to shoot you into a political analyst and senior fellow at pendel institutions and all that to have you on the program with us. i know a potential peace agreement could still be a long way off, but when a deal is eventually reached, how do you think it'll look for european and the global security to? well, i think it's a good thing to have a piece on sign. the late arriving in this, the european uh that's causing it. you know, we have been seeing this complex, ongoing and for nearly 3 years. and it's a time to stop such a, you know,

specialist, let's say conflict between the 2 brother the countries all previous the problem of the concert. let's say we know that if you go back lead a batch in 2014 e mail. yes, we know that the ukraine used to be the new between the u. n. n. 's busha. that was probably the best a choice but a somehow because of a washington exploded based blurry with a sports in the situation that say, you know, uh, supported the cool, a piece that so called up truly, russian leaders. and then that the situation getting worse and worse. and then they gave this a prompt you to this a delusion, the idea of where you can join your mate holes and a somehow ignoring the security of russia. and that has led to, you know, that, say to this conflict. and this has to be warranted by and many big highways including that's the case danger. and also a former a, c i. it's a director with him for his folks out. we'll see goes like

a bad as alrighty. warranty, you know, tracking your client into, into noise natal, all the lead to russia with a strong reaction. and that's a reality. reality is summer. holly realty is denies a now to days be finally that say woke up. yeah. you're absolutely right there. um and or, you know, according to the wall street journal is reporting that chinese officials have expressed an interest in hosting this potential meeting between donald trump and the bottom are put in. can you tell us, is this something that they doing is in fact interested in and what's china stance on a potential piece agreement? it will, i think the saw china and china has always full like a piece plan. you know, the end of this complex as soon as possible, because uh, you know, just i think like it doesn't problem has that is definitely a scaling and issue that are some not have happened in the 1st place. and it's what china is the largest trudy and nation h. yeah, tires piece, that's the ability without

a piece of stability. you cannot try it. you cannot do an investment and you will not develop your economy. you know, the grow you'll be like economy. uh, so a ton, of course these, all whole piece of stability is also a global globalization. bo trade china is not confirmed to why there is this is from the chinese government or not. maybe just not you may be true, but it doesn't matter. i think it is that's, that's the maggots i used to students in donald trump and the present pull can stay together and discuss global piece of stability. i think of that. so that's probably a picture. a lot of people around the world like to see and you know, people in, you know, off of the b powers. they can talk to each other and strike a balance and find a way to mention peace most. the ability as of the, the, the piece proposal from washington to show that, you know, in the time of the hours yes, power can play a bigger role, the showing peace and stability and the complex. i think that that would be well

come to mostly by the google community. there are also reports that saudi arabia um, is actually going to be the location where donald trump and couldn't meet in person for the 1st time. i'm wondering if you have any idea which location would be preferable if, if there would be a preference between either about the jang or saudi arabia for either trump or putting yeah, i think you know, the user base in saudi arabia as you know, better with the welcome to buy by china, the china east side. it doesn't really matter. the location, you know, it could have happened to have him, you know, takes place, the moscow all you, washington. but we, we, we need to be realistic. we know that there is a strong i'll position to that piece blind at the washington and also evade happens in moscow. there probably will be even strong opposition from the so called the deep stage in washington, in the ballots. and also in the european capital is the,

uh, so probably, uh, you know, somewhere between the 2 countries, somewhere beyond the 2 countries, like in the middle east or imagine what would be, uh, you know, preferably the choice. uh 1st on that i would say, yeah, usually kind of how it uh they give the kind of hold a visit conference is meeting somebody to inmate james. the presence of received him team. that would be a picture of, you know, that it will inject a lot of the confidence in the global pieces that bill of you know, around the world. so that's more important than that. you meant it happens next, the saudi arabia. i think it will be only welcomed by the international community, so i'll be over the equity plate, you know, very balanced. the rule between the 2 countries and image has been permission to ship just like china with both mac, but you know, boss, go on washington. so i don't think any people in the country we oppose is we'll oppose that choice of that location as so these are bathing is they're basing all

saudi arabia. i think it has useful. and let's say advantages of a hosting such an important stomach. mm hm. and to your point, there was an image that it might present to have a trump and put him in china meeting with the, the chinese president sheets and paying i think trump fully understands of how that would look to the world and, and in the media. because he understands the media quite well to do, i want it shipped to talking about us and china relations because the us defense secretary is saying that washington will shift his focus to deterring a hypothetical war in the asian pacific. i want to play 1st a clip of what the heck stuff had to say are also here today to directly and on and be us lead express that start strategic realities. prevent united states of america from be primarily focused on the security of your the us is prioritizing deterring war with china in the pacific. recognizing the reality of scarcity,

and making the resourcing trade off to ensure deterrence does not fail. deterrence cannot fail for all of our 6 as the united states prioritizes its attention to these threats, european allies must lead from the front, searching to how do you see this shaping regional relations in the asia pacific and in the upcoming years? well, it's not surprising at all, you know, i was, you know, i was the last that it is the same goes a leading from behind, you know, is this the most song, bytecode obama and it'll lead to from the behind it. so it's a strange expression. anyway, this from us politicians is that it's due to, is that the complement your system will play to the so called interest that you do a triangle at be called the reverse, the triangles guy that was masha, i guess china. and i don't think there's a lack of understanding of the relationship between moscow in space in which has

the salt lake, which has been stable, which has been really deep royalty between the 2 countries. national conditions. uh yes, uh they want to focus on china. they want to contain the rise of china. i do want to keep trying that down as no one is the known as well as the world. you know, it's, it's not the good deal to have it be power competition, beach in washington to buy. do you use? washington talks about the detroit said they do, they often side to what to read. it has said that, you know, as like peas, as the most plans, they want to be more careful. they want to be more advice in terms of technology that want to be better and in terms of the mid 3 wiping the rate. so that to the opponent will somehow at stating peace will be squared away. this is a strength of theory. this is the stupidest theory, because if it was pressing the minutes went private is the agent that will lead to

the reaction from they do. china will of course, develop itself well as stressing 8 submitted 3 capability will develop weights, technology. and the idea of somehow washington can uh, you know, contain china a consult with those lines of china has already failed. if you look at the development of the deep deep which is that even better then i tried to be but the as a much lower price is. and if you look at to the digital technology, if you look at to the e, b, electronic bill at vehicles, which is much more the price of that in the us, in many areas, the us as actually lagging behind. i don't know why the still talking about the continued china. this idea is completely bankrupting as bank rock the end of the visual, the software thinking, you know, dreaming about the cost of their buys, of china. somehow. you may end up slice of a heavy or war a military conflict, a do not to now and nothing that either you can see or just

a moving agent to the asian pacific theater. it'll give you what happened originally in. and when did you claim the piece deal? i think a lot of people like to get people you at one point feel as probably as we understand the badger, the adjustment tools used by washington. and they will be used. they will, the expandable as it will be use and bend it to ultimately so hopefully people are becoming monitor and we can avoid that kind of competition. i think that is certainly the case search and all political analysts, senior fellow at pendel institutions in the us. thank you. the 28th pedestrians including children are a part of the injured in a car, ramming incident on the streets of munich as the city prepares to host a major durham and security conference set to begin on friday. the attack occurred during the very trade union strike over an ongoing wage dispute law enforcement or

after staying and say, the driver has been secured. the drivers reported to be a 24 year old asked in man security conference is where the us vice president vance and blood red zalinski are expected to attend. local officials claim there was no connection between the incidents and the upcoming meeting. we had no do, of course we will continue with a correspondingly strong police presence everywhere. now, with regard to the security conference and keep the situation under control, we do not know at the moment and do not assume that there is any connection with the security conference when what the motivation of this ask in perpetrator, of course, still needs to be explored in more detail on earlier we spoke with economist, i got a hammer who said the dangers the west is currently facing is a direct result of existing in you and us policies. and now the world sees how catastrophic the security situation in germany became under this. i'm but another, the socialist regime in germany that was supported by the christian democrats and

liberals that uh, made this catastrophic immigration situation that we have. and that we are having a security situation that is not acceptable anymore. i think this is primary for germany, but for the entire western world, the brakes countries and the way. busy that is supported by russia doesn't have these problems because they didn't, they didn't join this idiocy of exchanging population. it's all for this context of migration and all these concepts that have been developed by a small for the evil group within the west, on the so called deep state. and this, this policy is, is boss. this policy is obvious, not in the interest of the people,

and this is why is especially in those countries where these policies have been implemented mostly well change dramatically co has slots of the countries, former presidents appear to power psycho and the number of major ukrainian businessman with personal sanctions, so adam zalinski has accuse them of destroying the country's national security. those on the list are banned from leaving the country and their assets have been frozen, or single has called the trees and allegations. he's facing a publication. so far, president led you praying for 5 years following the western back the might on 2 in 2014. as party is now closely trailing zelinski and recent opinion polls. as for a single, openly criticized as his successor, the sanctions were imposed, or shortly after the white house urs kids to hold elections. to the last, you know, i don't think so as long as he's there. but you know,

at some point you're gonna have to have elections to, you're gonna have to have elections. meanwhile, the ukrainian parliament has descended into chaos. theater, par shank. those party members are blocking colleagues from addressing the body and m. p. 's from the european solidarity party brought posters reading note to political repression. former ukrainian diplomat, andre tele, jenko says portion angle has fallen into his own trap. as i say, for a single 1st of all dollars. since it was only a dictatorship which see and not have made any brain after the 2, and saw the 40 for going to get the sort of opponents. while he has some solid talk little components to a slide about people get in science and then you'd frame that for success section by the last few reviews. and he, he was fine about all this stuff for years and years. and now as far into, into the, into the section. that's a lot of things because it's on track my car,

my decision. but at the same time of, i believe this is all a political key from our point of view. they're trying to get it. is it really is raised by this because people in the pray for somebody who's lead time by the receipt. so this might be a problem. it's okay to get fortunately because where you're back on track with as easy this right now, as i was trying to, i'm somewhat of this property on the ground right at all. you'll have to basically go under what are the 12th and russia is going to be on the me and basically the run for his life because he has no other choice. he will not, i will put political future. and he pray the for jeffrey as to what he has done regarding on the the go stations with the united states and russia. the situation crane will change dramatically when you create it will go into the sphere. russia sat together. and these elections that are going to happen, the rain today will not make any difference. it just there's going to be

a more more legit government that is going to do it for me for now. but do stay with us here on our to international my colleague union o'neill will be in next in just over half an hour's time with mornings the i'm deanna removed, but he got to bend the date in campbell county in the republic of our conversations. continue on today. we look good. uh, nice quantity individual noticed and holly sauce, uh monday le, otherwise known buys, klein name madiba. when the history of the struggle for independence and particularly the history of gains, the appetite movement is written in the name on monday. law stands um it stands

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