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the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered. i'm peter level. donald trump risk repeating jo biden's disasters and gaza allowing genocide. he returned to office claiming to be a peacemaker. trumps of words and actions about gods that demonstrate the opposite . what donald trump does now will define his presidency and legacy, the cross talking guys, i'm joined by my guess what i'm and mirandi until then. he's a professor at the university of the run in rome. we have romano revell,

she is an author and the managing editor of the palestine chronicle. and in toronto, we crossed the esteban carrillo lopez. he is a news desk editor at the cradle. all right, cross talk girls in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated well how much brandy and towed in what is trumps gambit here. because in all of us, obviously have made it a point in our lives to follow the tragedy that unfold. unfolded in palestine. and, you know, trump, in, in a few days of his new presidency, has, was, seamlessly adopted israel's policy of, of expulsion and ethnic cleansing seamlessly, all the 2 state solution stuff and all, all slow and can't get all of that stuff. it's gone. and to top it all off is a recognition that there is no such thing as a palestinian. he's come so far to go so far backwards mohammed i personally and i

may be wrong. i think that tom still wants to seize, hold and selfish interest. and so i'm guessing, and i may be completely wrong that this vending machine will have to make concessions from its and move away from its maximum list approach. and the 2nd phase will probably go ahead, but whether that's correct or not, a top has done a huge damage to the united states by pacing this position. he's gain the patriot people across the region and beyond. because of policy, an issue is not an issue for us or for muslims. it is a humanitarian issue. and we've seen people from across the grow,

low support. uh, from east asia to west asia, north africa, south africa, north america, south of america. this is a global issue now and for him to support is randy region which is carried out this genocide has only harmed the united states and its allies. and i think this is something that the underestimate. yeah. the in the regions that, you know, what i was gonna add onto, uh, what i am agreeing with you completely is that it shows that the, the west is take, uh, revealed itself. the mask is off there we are, the, the, the west. they showing that it is a supporter of ethnic cleansing, of neo imperialism, neo colonialism. the if he shows it better for what it is, because even though the europeans protest, you know, they clutch their pearls, but they don't do anything about it. let's go to romana and in rome, you know,

you know, war ethnic cleansing, and annexation is been the results of the zine, this project against the palestinians in palestine. but now it's being proposed as the solution. again, it's bit everything is been flipped and we can just move these people expel them, then that will be uh, what is this someone call it god. so largo i mean this it's, it would be funny if it wasn't so cringe, go ahead in rome. yes. first of all, we have to admit that this was a very intense and i mean trump is no, but the lead, speaking about it. but the intention was in difference in the budget ministration. when they dropped all of these weapons to israel, when they gave green light and you know to everything, when you're not in close, we close doors. they were saying, please get rid of him off, which actually means please get to read. the post to people is exactly what they were referring to. they wanted the ethnic cleansing, and even in terms of clues circle when mary, i'm ed or son for example,

who do need any seen amount of money to trans campaign, is talking about to fire. of course, who doesn't have in mind just before posting is what she has in mind is sheep focused, recovered the bethany of the hostages, and then she focus and se cleans uh, you know, to proceed with ethnic cleansing of the impulse to be the west bank, which is a record of definitive colonial movement that she represents. but i want to say something about, i mean, whoever, whomever thinks that the split is feasible, either lying or is completely ignorant of history and geography. because, i mean, in 1948, we have seen hundreds of thousands of posting is moving to our congress. and we know that, you know, our and countries are still viewing. we, that's the refugee crisis. how can we think that be split is feasible? the 1st of all, from a practical point of view. so they go to gaza,

immediately take posting is one by one, because the posting a people have demonstrated that they have no intention of leaving casa, and that their resistance has been strong and proud. throughout the genocide, so this is the 1st being and even in the case of this scenario is implementable, then arab countries top made a miracle. i mean, for 16 months of countries as many art countries where shamefully assigned to the genocide and keep, you know, just meet this miracle they actually are standing out. now of course we can not be surprised when the king of jordan during the press conference, which seemed more like a truck then press conference, said talked about chief national interests. he is right. he is thinking about you've national interest. you cannot accept a large amount of boasting is because he knows the it to be to discuss the liking for his country. and in the same time, he cannot allow some to cross

a certain threshold because that policy new cause is too important for his own people to yeah, well they, they, they, they entered the, the press, the conference. so you're talking about no, go to s about now in toronto that look more like a hostage video to me than anything else. it was really painful to watch here. but i mean, it's about me. is this a madman theory? i as tom saying, i have an idea is if it says, oh, no idea, this is a new, it's going on since it least least 1948 even decades before expulsions. but is it, you know, come up with a better idea? give me a better idea is this is tactic, is this, this negotiation approach? go ahead in toronto. well, i don't know, i would call it a negotiation. the seems more like black midland course and in particular with the are of states right? with jordan, with egypt as long time allies in a bit of a warning to the others, right. especially to those who have normalized with these are all into one to

normalize with these are all like saudi arabia by telling them what we are waiting to do with our allies. i think a, by trump, this is the 2nd term, you know, if he's, if he's going to be his last term, you know, if he's on the list, there is a big guy change to the constitution other coming down the line here, which i feel like at this point we cannot do anything else, but the pieces are going to be his last time. you know, if his and i feel like he's approaching it that way, right. he wants to reshape not just the day that he wants to, to, to both the united states in a different role. right. i think we saw that we medical reviews stating that this is no longer a uni butler world order. and you know, we're not going to be able to sanction the countries in 5 years. it seems like there's a lot of, uh, of understanding in the term white house where, you know, a, the, the global border stands now. yeah, but it's a pretty good estimate. i think there's something to what you're saying and i and, and some of that i agree with. i mean on the greenland thing, the canada thing, the panama, i get, i get the, i get that and we're in a way, it's like the building or it's like it's like building fortress america, right?

but then i'm going to throw now back to my home and here, but they're still the is, is real exception. it see that's what makes it so we a logical go ahead mohammed. but that's exactly why i think fall is a good thing for the world because and we've had this discussion during his 1st term multiple times on your show. tom shows the original phase of the united states . i see, for example, of biden and obama is gone. as your guess, rightly pointed out, these policies of ethnic cleansing were being pursued under biden as well. and right now, so here, because it's so different, critical watching items of borders. joe, anything outrage or is showing an outrage of what trump statements when they were assisting with this god, this holocaust and god. so it says it's removing the palestinians has outrages,

but killing them where they are as old as fine. so in a sense, i find this, this whole narrative refreshing because it exposes the united and by the way, puts a lot of pressure on the polk pro western and pull americans happened the region because these dictators whether it's in jordan or egypt or even turkey or add on is continuing to sell it as oil to and so ok who cheap pocket while to a nothing yahoo, all of them are put on or under greater pressure when the united states speaks like this when the president speaks like this. but personally, i do agree that i think there's really regime is an exception. we know the reason why the powerful design this lobby in the united states is behind it. but in general, i think that actually this whole, this talk of greenland in canada, the panama canal, is, is an attempt to create a dignified retreat for the united states. yeah, the united states can sort of back off and ukraine and bad cough and other places

back down in other areas, but show itself to be stronger and read. the only problem in my home is going after people that can't defend themselves. what, what is greenland gonna say? no, i me foot. oh, yeah. germany might send troops, the u. k. may i send troops there? and so what, okay, i would be the one thing that us about and brought up i think is really important. before we go to the break, here a trump is an egomaniac, he's thinking very, very much about his legacy and how he wants to be seen. he wants to be put on mount rushmore. that is his goal. he wants to a peace prize because obama got one. and so i think that there is an enormous amount of overreach here, and we'll get to see it all over the next few days. you think that the, the agencies fire will continue, even if it does, they're still the 3rd part and that's what we're going to talk about when we come back from the break. we had to go to that break. and after that break,

we'll continue our discussion. our goal is to stay with our to the, the of all google claims and ruined the lines of tens of thousands. but it was the hague tribunal, the delta finishing flow to the muscle. to expand on your side, i will talk to you and will all of that will cause up the curious thought me memories that the rest of your stuff or some of the funding that has made them, i guess i need. okay. i will need you to send me to blog that's through you guys are throwing in eco so tired. i table a cousin built around what sort of on teams so so so the evictions are for supplemental bit jamie stuff. as i've done this for the bus,

they have to go into stuff as i so the so now click on the nice to promo that it probably also i noticed was that some of the the welcome back across stuff. were all things are considered on peter real about your mind you were discussing godsa the ok, let's go to another in rome. it's already been mentioned here, the normalization of relations between saudi arabia and israel. they. the abraham process is it's called here, but there is a different normalization going on and this is what trump is done. he's normalized ethnic cleansing, okay. it's that you know,

it has to be done. it's just how it's done. that's the discourse has changed in that direction, but it's very, very dangerous. and because there's a, you have a, a extremely right wing government under nothing, you know, in israel they're just cheering it on. and again, you know, maybe this is my interpretation, and i have to admit to all of you, i've talked to a lot of people since last tuesday. and there are a lot of different interpretations of what's going on here. but it is a donald trump, again in the united states is taking on all of the risk because it'd be, the americans insist that it must be cleaned out. and these rates just like, well, you know, that's what the americans want to do. i mean, it's passing the risk. go ahead and room. yes, i do not know exactly what trump had in mind. i have to say that the character is unpredictable, especially when it comes to foreign policy. but you know, doing that seem as press conference on february 4th. so to be shocked,

even need some help seemed very shocked. honestly, it seemed that she was caught by surprise. but the announcement and the, the 2 risk that i see in the plan that trump enunciated is more in the way it can be absorbed by these, right. the positives i treat, i think that for example, is on how, which doesn't necessarily would benefit from discipline any way. because even the effect of fading, the united states, we take ownership of golf. they're not saying is, well it's, we'll take ownership of government. they're saying this is an american issue, this is a washington issue. so i do not think that even on the ground for me is, well, these actually enables was made and how has in mind. but in the same time, it's on how immediately took advantage and tried to get these lifeline for his own pretty good interest for, for example, to regroup his extreme government. so now been year for example, didn't stop screaming since february 4th, please implement the plan. i would like to attend the year. the problem is not that

they didn't try already, to se can be cleaned guides or they have been trying for 16 months. the problem for you is that they didn't manage, they didn't succeed in best plan. but in the meantime, you know, nathan help would take the end of the extra was government in these words and other political groups he needs what? because don't forget that actually basically or main political parties. the news was totally agree on the i think lindsey of publishing is as a solution to the problem. so when we talk about extremism in these words, it's really very complicated and very complicated. a ground. yeah. well i, as i say i, it gets a very narrow over to the window. okay, exactly. okay. as about, and i mean the were coming up uh this saturday about, uh, 3 hostages are hostages or all the hostages. they, you know, there's so many different takes, or you can interpret the way. what do you think they will go into the 2nd part of

the ceasefire? because it seems like israel has, we've, i think all of us with our agreement, they never were on board for this. it was public political expedients at the time i trump wanted it. he got, you know, he got the glory for it. the after glow is almost gone, but i don't see why is real would do it. um, um they're looking at their costs, which is they never talk about the palestinian hostages that are being held in jails in israel. is there a chance that this could be extended? i say, i do believe there is a chance a i'm not sure if it's uh, the, how big a by chance is there is right, because there is, these are, there's for a lot there is for warm or into into is really government in these really as a 0 guess, as it is really population itself, right? uh they, they got the problem is not going to be resolved by allowing them to reveal this is the way that they see it, right? especially when you see e mail just of cassandra yates, we arm you and we, these ready weapons a setting up display, just setting up these a these,

these are small parades, right? to showcase the 1st of all the hostages in the copy was really in english. i have barely been mistreated and 2nd of all that they're still in control, right? that they're literally coming out of the trenches as saying, look, you committed genocide on those for 15 months, you slap and gossip, and yet here we are. here we are still, and this is a reminder that these ready did that israel and the united states did not like to see. right because it goes against everything that they have done and everything that they stand for and everything that they say. and now i don't know it's wrong that these idea to ethnically cleansed, a guy saw he's going to be sending us troops and band and very likely he's not going to be uh, he's not gonna be ready troops doing it right. we already seen that. he's ready, troops kill a lot of cbs, but they're not very successful at actually, you know, and removing people from uh, from uh where their homes are. and so what are we talking about here? i think at the end of the day here, they're probably going to consider private military contract and friday, mercenary companies like those that have already been putting in beats to come in

and broaden the humanitarian songs inside of the gaza strip. so at the end of the day, what we're seeing today is really the depth of international law, the author of us. amazing. this is what the united states end of trump presidency and divided presidency as well. i'll tell you what, i'll be more of a saw. what's doing, you know, you know, mohammed, the, i think it as the bottom put it really just perfectly. this is the internet end of international law, international human and humanitarian law. and it's, it's really pathetic about it is these were i is, they came out of the west and now the west is rejected them. there's always an exception. okay. it shows the west and it's true light. i mean how, what, what will happen during the 2nd stage here, i mean, there still captives in israel is nothing. yeah. who going to, he's a, he does, he's never seem to have shown that have much interest in their fate. it's only because of the prodding of

a people like donald trump and his donors go ahead mohammed again, i think that it isn't trumps interest for the 2nd phase to move forward. but regardless of what happens when trauma, as you alluded to the, the, the 3rd phase when he rejected the 3rd phase a few days ago. basically what he did was that he undermine the united states as a negotiator. so for example, right now the united states wants to negotiate with you've drawn it yet. but when the writing and see that the united states, as the guarantor of the ceasefire in gaza is now saying we don't want the 3rd phase . that means you cannot trust united states, you cannot trust any deal that it proposes. and the same is remember not if it is rainy regime by analyze the seas 5 day night. murder is innocent. people and the united states as a guarantor or the ceasefire,

does nothing in that means. basically you cannot trust the united states. and even though i do not believe in the rules base order for the very reason that you pointed out, that it was designed by the west and it serves their interest and they constantly buy and they did it because they saw themselves as exceptional. but in my opinion, it was in their interest and undermining this order. actually, while it is it, it, it creates great hardship in the west becomes more brutal and in and it shows it as part of immortality. but i think the collapse of this order is in the long run, a good thing, because it breaks the chains that americans and the europeans have created for the rest of the world and there, but it can no longer behaving an exceptional man or the rest of the world no longer sees itself for themselves as a restrained by this order which benefits the west. so in my opinion,

in the long run, i find violating the deal by dismissing the 3rd phase by violating the rules base order. what truck and the united states are doing, or by tearing up the rules base order is that they are further undermining the position of the united states even though in its short term being made. he or the united states may think that it benefit. so you know, it's very interesting we're amount of last week on this program to my head to my got guests. and i think um, i saw the future of this movement because they were deeply divided on trumps policy . when it comes to the guys that i knew it was going to happen when you don't have power, you can say all kinds of things. but now trump is in office, and his movement is getting more and more divided over this. there's a part of his movement is just as appalled as we are and there, you know, it's a lot like, you know, a steel tear up. should it be 17 percent or 25 percent?

we're not talking about tariffs, we're talking about genocide and more and more people are beginning to realize that the which side of history do you want to be on. and it's, it's good to divide his movement. that's why i said in my introduction, this is going to be determine his legacy. go ahead and roam to. yes, absolutely. and i mean, some doesn't act in a vacuum. of course you have a lot of inferences. for example, last week, um, there was a, in a letter from is where you are by sending him that she was the messenger for of good against evil. so of course, he's acting in peace also in his own circle, which is, you know, filled with extreme as design if and cetera of colonial and people who do not accept that the word is indeed changing. and i fully agree with the fact that the legitimacy of the west is, you know,

shaking. and this is something that they cannot deny that they cannot be, they can no longer deny. and you know, even the, the ease work itself, like the consequences of what happened in gaza. i think we will see them in the long run. israel has last to deter, is misery deterrence in the region and in gaza itself. and this is something that, you know, in the long run, we will see the consequences. but now they are particularly eager to show that there are still in control that, you know, there was to some degree of power. and these of course will be a stage in this process that it would be particularly atrocious for publishing and, and the policy on population. but it is undeniable that what's up ending garza, what's happened, you never know what happened with your on to the have to end. and he said we have to deal with that. as of all, we have 40 seconds left, finish it off for us. you know, i just want to to, to follow by. 2 reminding people that there's organizations at this point that are moving forward with uh, with the lawsuit. seconds is randy war criminals, you know,

like the cambridge out foundation or even day, the south africa's case against the agency. the international criminal court in which is going to open up, i need all the names for these are all to be accountable for his really needs to be accountable. and one would hope eventually even you ends leaders to be accountable for what they have allows to happen. and are going, we need to continue to are allowed to happen in ga. so, you know, joe might and normalize genocide thrown out, thrown these is normalizing ebony, glancing. what's next? right. where does the buck stop and where does the international community find all these sites? enough is enough. we're seeing a few of the things that the, the tragic thing is that the, the people of palestine are being monitored to create a better world. that's a really hard thing to think about, and that's all the time we have fascinating discussion, want to thank my guessing from toronto and into the end. and of course i want to thank our viewers are watching us here in our tea. so you next time. remember

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