and also i noticed with some of the plug in, not the the breaking news on our t a 180 turn from flooding. there's a link to be safe. he will meet with the law. the mirror puts in a note on other russians for a piece of association that's despite of you for any law forbidding tullocks with the best hopes. and what i worry about is the threat from within the retreat of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of america. no, mincing of words by new us, vice president judy found something new that security conference says. european officials are directly chastised for targeting free speech on counseling elections with delegates of the major security form we're still digesting this week's lengthy

phone conversation between the american and russian leaders. leaving european elisa struggling to be included in peace talks on ukraine. if you're out in the next 4 years, cannot only change the relationship between the u. s. and other countries, but also the relationship between all countries. let's not be deer caught in the headlights. and yet the more big developments this, our m 23 militants interact with. other major cities in the mineral, or rich east of the democratic from public health, the around the clock across the world. this is our to welcome wherever you're catching the news hour from today. we begin with breaking news law. the mirror zalinski has a nice piece prepared to meet with. a lot of them are put in, but only after he comes to an agreement with his main sponsors. the statement came on the sidelines of the munich security conference. as it was, it civilizations,

i will only be seeing one russians, and that is prudent only after you have prepared a common plan with trump for proving to end the war. the only in this case is that under these conditions on those, there will be no other platforms with compromises in the book of. so what does it let us do? seems to be contradicting himself every time he opens his mouth with all that depends on the current script in his hands and is far from any kind of reality. as we all heard, the less key just said that you will only speak with foods in this same guy. it should, and in, sorry degree early are making it illegal just be har. negotiate with the russian presidents, other paragraphs of that degree, very from the approval of the exec stuff. they address the nasal requirements for a multi level security system. they some multi lateral and bilateral agreements strengthening of ukraine's defense capability by increasing the supply of minutes every technical assistance had, of course,

recommendations of sanctions against russia. this is what this gets set about negotiating with foods in earlier. it was our state that is always offered russia to agree to co exist on equal, honest, decent, and fair terms. obviously, this is impossible with this russian president. he doesn't know what dignity and honesty are. therefore, we are ready for dialogue with russia, but with another russian president in wild. moscow has always been opened to talks with ukraine about a peaceful settlements, but well considering all the realities on the ground after the start of this special military operation. at this point, however, zalinski is no longer of any interest for russia because, well, his presidential term ends its last year. the former act are observed tower and ukraine. and if he cancelled presidential elections in the country and to subsequently in the hands of democracy in ukraine was gone, letting their food to knows, that's the end. it's off. so with the lensky or at this point. absolutely. if you,

it's all, just keep you to go to most of us can, you can negotiate with anyone. but zalinski is illegitimate. he has no right to sign anything. but if he wants to take part in the negotiations, i will send people who will conduct these negotiations. the issue is the final signing of the docking. it's. this is a very serious issue that should guarantee security for ukraine and russia with a serious long term historical perspective. and there can't be a single slip. everything should be polished. but if there is a desire to negotiate and find compromise solutions, let anyone negotiate there. naturally, we will strive to achieve what suits us, which corresponds to our interest in terms of signing documents. everything should be done in such a way that lawyers confirm to us the legitimacy of those people who be authorized by the ukrainian state to sign these agreements. we will soon be a part offered lady to mon try has been to the go to well carried on the stick,

if you will, for the crating and people from the lensky and the officials, all for his regime now. those words were publicly echoed, not only by major leadership leadership, but should bytes by biden's administration as well. uh, we will be in made. so we will be a part of a european union. and now such promises were fed to view crazy and people on a daily basis because it ask you has now changed his tune, my 1st phone call with the president biden. and my 1st question will we be made to? he said no, no. and i said, we will see be wary, honest. united states that they never saw us in nato. they just spoke about it on the level of a leader of the country and the level of president nam, a. i heard this, but it doesn't mean that we can't change the spot. we really have drunk. our mean we can really make from getting natal everywhere. we don't have natal rios nato. we

will make nature in ukraine class, or donald trump scene took over the white house and made the leadership have also changed their tea and, and are acting like ukraine were never really promised anything. only 8 months ago, you had a, somebody said washington d. c. a 32 allies agreed and i know you know these words, but i'll read them to you. we will continue to support ukraine on it's irreversible cost to full euro, atlantic integration, including statement which does nato still stand by? those words were in those as line, so it says that it should be part of a peace deal. now there's never been before and not even in that portion. summit statements that been a pc. what will be done on your brain? that's in that piece. are to be natal things so many things are part of of beast deal should be made to,

but it has never been promised to your brain. now it's hard to pinpoint what exactly made so and ukraine will come up with next so far has been a story full of contradictions bordering on blayton lives and manipulation. meanwhile, zaleski continues to demand more money, more weapons, and even threatens american soldiers. with this on the battlefield against the russian army is one of the key conditions the us side line for ukraine is paying buckets debts by allowing access to the countries where earth, minerals in your neck, a lot of years lensky fund, the creative way to justify washington to the month, the way it was listed she is, we met with our american colleagues, we have had a lot of meetings and i'm very happy about it. we had a good conversation with president from you, and we received an offer to invest and ukraine's critical minerals that was discussed extensively. and i said that we need to protect you brain and our resources. if we are speaking pragmatically and not just about the security of your

muscle, though, i believe that the security of europe is 1st and foremost, when we talk about protecting our resources, it keeps keeps, so that they don't get caught in the hands of an occupying russia and their allies, if it is necessary to protect all materials in such a way to non heidi to, to are putting your and this guy to the teeth. yeah, you give them a bunch of 6 things, not a do of 6 things. you give them a tack, comes you give them tanks because they, they will fight. remind may not didn't they do great. okay. it just doesn't work out well. so less on this guy. let's do the minerals agreement. so we'll have our american business interest. food doesn't understand what's going on if we sign dismentos or agreement treatments screwed calls, trump will defend the deal while we're talking about is the ones that do it's about the batteries with you. i'm the ones that do the electric cars. so all of that is of great interest, these rare earth minerals, but 22 percent of those where as minerals are now part of russian territory from

russian advancement. so what does that mean? and that's what donald trump, you know, being a business man. he wants those where minerals, but does he want to do that at the expense of losing his friendship? that's trying to percolate again with russia. because russia controls 22 percent of that. um and zalinski knows that. so he's trying to put in a bar, you know, any kind of negotiating, you know, leverage that he can because whenever you're trying to do piece right, you want leverage and zones. he doesn't have much. i think that's it. they definitely don't have any cash to give the us, right. i keep hearing increasingly in my views, valid question being raised at flooding. there's a lensky thing. why aren't you more actively pursuing peace? but as you say, when you look into the details of it and the money that's been coming in to your credit, shutting off that, you know, that's ukraine is the hold it to us. let's say it directly. so if stops stops on,

europe is not willing to do this. he knows he's in a hole here. he's no longer of any use to europe or the us as he. and he's committed crimes in some more crimes. so if, if you know, is the wins, he's probably trying to figure out an exit route, among other things. um, i don't really see him running for president again, i think he wouldn't be elected. obviously there's 10 enough people he's, i mean he's basically sacrificed a generation of men for what to give rare earth minerals to the us to give 22 percent of the land to, to russia. yeah, he's in a very bad position, tara read now the e. u. is undermining its own democratic values? that is the blunt admission us vice president. jude events kicked off with the munich security conference earlier as the new trump team inform brussels. it means business when it comes to ending the ukraine company. the threat that i worry the

most about face of the europe is not russia. it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within the retreats of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of america style struck could of a former european commissioner went on television recently and sounded delighted that the romanian government had just an old and entire election. he warned that if things don't go to plan, the very same thing could happen in germany too. now these cavaliers statements are shocking to american ears may be valentine's day, but there is certainly no love in hearing mean to get the security conference and not says you heard that fiery speech from the us, vice president j. d font criticizing. we were in many respects saying that because

it was reeling back from its own fundamental values and basically saying that there's a new sheriff in town that still new terms and things are going to go a very different way to how they know for 18 years. but the last full use, his speech was so critical that mendez viewed it significantly didn't know whether they should even close at the end. it was calling devon, or whose moments and we've already been getting reaction from europe in need is he was quite king as particularly against the things that we've been hearing from, from between instruction regarding ukraine and not. because just in the last few days, donald trump saying that he spoke directly with vladimir putin of russia. and he said, wash is this great country. we want to be friends with them. we can, he then spits a lot to me so landscape and laid out how things are possibly going to, to imagine ukraine and not as not music to the ease of many people here in europe, including the gym and the president who says that you must not be paralyzed for the

slurry of a night since it's coming out from the other side of the atlantic. but i'm on the to the right. ladies and gentlemen, of course, in that case, we're not just talking about the growth of european troops, also about the reduction of american troops or the modem. i talked about this with vice president advanced this morning, and i told him that whenever you were planning to discuss it with us, the next 4 years cannot only change the relationship between the us and other countries. but also the relationship between all countries will the international community maybe take all of the damage? my answer is very simple, but i think it's right. that's up to us. we are subjects not objects of the international order. we must not let the flood of announcements paralyze us. we must not freeze out of fear or as they say in english, let's not be deer caught in the headlights alone. well, he's not the only person who is unhappy just taken. listen to this,

a hail ukraine would weaken europe, but it was also re, comes the united states, it would intensify, which challenges in the, in the pacific, and threats and all shared interest. well does one view what we've also seen told him, is lensky arriving here? we mean the key may have come cap in hand, but it looks like i had of his meeting with j. d. von cus, vice president. things on going exactly how he wanted. know, she has heard was from the screen saying the last 3 days. what we've heard from the us secretary of defense, pete to have were assess saying that basically you create needs to look at the reality on the grounds. and essentially, there will be no going back to the board is free at 2014, and also the ukraine should clean looking to be a member of nato in the future of load them. is the lensky rejecting all of that, but looking incredibly tired,

incredibly dejected at the press conference she gave a well, we also been hearing from the gym and shawn slow all of shows. also talking about the concessions he has the by what's happening in ukraine and whether essentially america is going to try and uh, and go with negotiations directly with russia as it is basically pushing not just ukraine, but the europeans of sidelines in may. what they see to the table, they say hi to him is do we need a reform of the debt break in order to invest in our security and defense? secondly, the bonus tag should make a decision as soon as possible, according to which the war and ukraine and its serious consequences for the security of germany in europe are to be classified as an emergency. well unimportant pointy, because we have heard from donald trump that they was going to be a very high profile meeting here at the munich security conference between the usa, between russia and potentially ukraine. you know,

ukraine said it was going to turn up at the table, but it also seems that russia hasn't been invited. we've been hearing from the foreign ministry spokesperson, who says, in fact, brush awesome and invited since 2022 because that was a political decision taking just until the most is any top of going to start taking place at ease. terry. meaning well, we welcome and now a host of great guests for reaction former c i a analyst, and the head of the burg associates consulting firm, laurie johnson, ortho and geopolitical expert. doctor gould ray shake and senior research fellow p global policy institute george zamarelli, jasmine, you're all much welcome. george. can we kick off with you? loved him or zalinski has legally bind any talks with a volume or putting years ago. no. the saying the russian president is the only russian hill speak to. why is the argument that he won't speak to anyone else?

well, i don't know. i think he's scrambling around um, probably taking his queues from donald trump's, as donald trump has now elevated his dialogue with the uh, the russians to a very friendly, personal uh, telephone call the other day. and now of the promises to have a, a one to one meeting in saudi arabia sometime in the near future. and then the mutual visits to one of those countries. so clearly, trump is elevating his relationship to with boots in to a very high degree is always said that he has the and he's always had good relations with both team. so zalinski is taking his cues. i mean, he knows that he's is only hope of getting anywhere is to keep it on the keep on the right side of trauma. so if he went to rule out, talking to built in, this would only antagonize trump,

and that's the last thing he wants to do. laurie lindsey graham spoke with mr. zelinski on the sidelines. all of the conference in munich thing. donald trump won't do to ukraine. what the us did in afghanistan, or the situations compar, bye bye. well, hey, lindsey graham's and no position to declare that he doesn't know donald trump doesn't find it him number one. number 2, trump has already done that, and he's done it to europe to what we saw on wednesday. both the combination of donald trump's phone call. and then the speech by pete had accept uh, at the defense ministers meeting for nato was the equivalent of donald trump saying to ukraine and nato, your fire. this is the europe. we're shocked. you know, they've been to like a 70 year relationship with united states. and united states essentially showed up

on what does it say that we're getting a divorce, and i'm run it off at the next door neighbor. because now the united states has a, uh, if you wanna do provide any security assistance to ukraine. you, europeans, you've got to do it. if you send in a trip sent to ukraine, it's not going to be under the auspices of nato. so if you get into trouble, kenneth, implement article 5, then. oh yeah, you craig's never getting it to nato. we're not going to accept that and we'll throw in all the aid requirements on you. good. yeah. good rest. there seems to be something just over writing all these developments and not the war itself because kind of put the point to why isn't a lot of mirrors? lensky rushing the whole talks as soon as possible. shirley saving the lives of his under pressure troops is critical not looking for what he calls favorable conditions before fox can begin the conditions on let's say that it will sort of

human any big 3rd. if you talk about the in this kid, i know he's navigating the complex to any of you over there in military, political and diplomatic elements are all there. and he's trying to, to make up balance between all of them. and actually he's one thing, some kind of security getting these from the rest. i'm going to be particularly united states of america, which he's not getting on the truck. and yeah, if you go back to even move forward and the p e, he's trying to get some started off in the support. but a f c's ripping for the deserts of jeopardy election, which i don't think will be as the one from that on. so if you get them across the hips, then look, pleasure. and if you look good, he's support crossing utah, but particularly for that it's only the nobody is send you the book and he's also there because of there more than $200.00 us or do you still won't be off because of

that the i have supporting him but be, i don't want to not be nothing different for supporting sometime back. the more they to the pork that's a good but to me having some think that all for the all the thing seeing would it be going to be training. and we have also seen the new building me will get to believe you've been red feed, the not, well, the simple support team anyways, but houston trying to gain some support, but he's also been doing the pin gone. nobody leverage and that these tools, the resources of euclid because of the was in thing that the, that he was the spiritual for america one but predict olivia or mean does it have? so he might be thinking there, why are both mean drugs and just a little bit g my, there's some support the i think that this is also happening is very well. so he's very nice. i know george, the german president spoke up and unit conference calling in europe not to behave

like quote a deer caught in the headlights and made trumps foreign policy move. why the method for and what role do you expect brussels the plan, the years to come in regional security as well as are in a real bind here because um, the whole ukrainian project was initially at american project. uh it was uh can see because many years ago um, you know, back at the time of uh the my dont in 2014 uh particular the democratic party and victoria newland. and then of course, it escalated very much on the biden, and they pushed the europeans to pursue a policy that was contrary to the interests of europe. it worked very well for the americans, but he worked very badly for euro, but eventually the europeans really took it over. you mean susie, as i mean, the excitement then raised with the russell sylvia. and now suddenly um, the witnessing

a reversal from the united states. they don't know how to respond that, but the one thing they know they, they, they shouldn't do is to say anything that is likely to antagonize donald trump. so, you know, is what they're saying is that, well we, we really think read all over the, the trumpet, ministrations, making a lot of good points. we really do need to spend much money on a military guy. so he's episode a ride to 2 percent. isn't enough, maybe 3 percent isn't enough. uh and as a yeah, i would, you know, we, we really go to uh, shape off and uh, take care of our own security. i mean, at the moment they don't know what to do. they probably hoping that the eyes of the trouble falls flat on the space or say, hoping to see trump off because our pool, he's only got one to as, as a president. and the way american politics works with mid terms coming up really base, basically in about 18 months or so as time they housing,

the offer that you'll be elaine, the president, and then they can stop, you know, looking for the future and maybe having a, uh, the somebody in the mobile office ready though is the extra examples they have, big risk, gd, yvonne slipped strong at the moment. at laurie just on a similar scene to what george was saying there berlins defense chief. the story is admit, that if the us reduces its military presence in europe, its allies wont be able to fill the void anytime soon. so what options does you have on will it be able to meet the 5 percent defense spend goals set by washington? i'll make it simple, they have no options and they won't be able to meet it. germany is in the process of the industrialized, the economy and the u. k. as a rec. similarly in france, there is no industrial base anymore in europe. they can produce or even begin to match. they've already conceded that even the united states plus europe combined

can not match the industrial output on military hardware and weapons that russia can produce. so you take united states out of the equation. so you're, you're obviously even as more of a disadvantage. so this is look the reality as europe is being exposed now for the 2nd class power that it is not really a power. that is, there is no majority. there's not a single country in europe where you have a majority party and a majority of the population. believe one thing you've got all these fragments in every society. whether it's the, i'll stay in germany where they get like they're the top party and they get 28 percent of the vote. so unlike the united states where there was a majority support for donald trump, no european country has that. and frankly, i think donald trump has a vendetta, particularly against the u. k. for their past involvement in fabricating russia. gates, trying to destroy him politically and even cure storm are sending his own members

of his party to campaign against trump. trump's not going to shut a single tear when british brittany goes down and gurus, european leaders, they're demanding a place up in negotiating table. when it begins with the chief thing, the block must negotiate from a position of strength. is it going to be able to do that? oh, is it possible uh, when they don't have that? well, it is printed directories. a mess they're going to have to be like republic right now. but what, how software do you don't be in the industry used to be due to money and also to the him, ben certain to all type of status on this here, because off of the very high prize and they do the good thing. there was practice being displayed, they found you look at frost, there is no point to going to simply be like phone friends. that's even you looking at particular zip code between in germany. that is also very but right now and do you hear the liberal government? sometimes becky, you know, did but then, but i don't know,

and i wonder that need that governments may be able to finish. it spiked uh 5 years thermal, a lot of so in depth and be southern situation hoping that the because you don't have a heart there, but they're talking with the pollution of the split the right. no. the, the, the other thing is they're going to really be that nipple and please minus the united states of america. be, i just, the will go anywhere even did. but to me, the, the special for medical ebony was, does not want them to sit on the hype table to do about that. then not hoping to get there if they would know. the other thing that we've got a about a minute and a half left. so we'll get your, your views, just briefly tell them if, if we could just george on the last few days the developments coming at speed. does it surprise you what's happening on, on the realm of occasions, all of them, or what's it inevitable when it was inevitable? that donald trump would launch a dramatic diplomatic initiative. it was inevitable that the europeans would be,

uh, shocked a non plus uh buys um where this leads. i think it's still unclear. there's all kinds of very, very difficult across roads ahead. um, but yeah, your trunk was always going to make a big effort to bring this to an end. but we'll see that where it's going to go. laurie, what was your regret take away from, from the last 48 hours or so. the united states has made a fundamental break with europe. that is no longer marching and lock step, and that ukraine project is over. the, the reality is russia holds the trump cards here. trump doesn't hold any leverage over russia. the last 10 seconds to you sir, will be very clear. we'll do, but whatever he was one thing and a good, you don't be a predictor and the neutral project project as well as you can project has gone top

notch analysis as we knew it would be there from former c a l. s. and head of the burg associates consulting firm, laurie johnson, author on jill at political expert. dr. good, right check on senior research fellow with a global policy in st. george. i'm a really much appreciate your time gentlemen. i guess you'd like to live. i want to fit this story and because it's a big developing one in central africa in search and from the m 23 militant group, i've reportedly capture the major report in the democratic republic of congo is mineral rich, east or t corresponding unit for you can get reports. what has been happening is that the entering the city fights has, which have already captured gone. my eastern does see no cities tend to advance on the provincial capital of the couple in south keys, which happens to be the region, the 2nd largest city in east austin. we have seen the group recently claimed in a post on x,

that the situation in the region is listening sites and ongoing kennings and teams as well. now to spikes declaring a sci fi a just a few days ago to prove, continue with heavy standing along the front lines of raising concerns off a broad war. the company's government, however, has refused to engage directly with the enter. the city fight is assisting that in the talks must include as the um, in a product peace process of the. * serious allegations at this moment, also one village to support for the enter the city, which raises questions about the nature of international involvement and the regional dynamics of play. according to these reports, for the london military forces may just have cross the border, enabling them to the city to gain ground and intensifies operations. for now, it remains to be seen with up a comparable for i'm the, the m 23 control completely. now the internet.