the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered. and peter level, donald trump risk repeating jo biden's disasters and gaza allowing genocide he returned to office claiming to be a peacemaker. comes to words and actions about gods that demonstrate the opposite. what donald trump does now will define his presidency and legacy,

the cross talking guys, i'm joined by my guess what i'm in mirandi until around is a professor at the university of thrown in rome. we have romano roberto, she is an author and the managing editor of the palestine chronicle. and in toronto, we crossed the esteban carrillo lopez. he is a news desk editor at the cradle. all right, cross top roles in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciated well how much brandy and towed in what is trumps gambit here, because in all of us, obviously have made it a point in our lives. the follow the tragedy that unfold unfolded in palestine and, you know, trump in, in a few days of is new presidency, has was, seamlessly adopted israel's policy of, of expulsion and ethnic cleansing seamlessly, all the 2 state solution stuff and all oswell and cam day. all that stuff,

it's gone and to top it all off is a recognition that there is no such thing as a palestinian. he's come so far to go so far backwards mohammed personally and i may be wrong. i think that tom still wants to seize, hold and selfish interest. and so i'm guessing, and i may be completely wrong that this vending machine will have to make concessions from its and move away from its maximum of this approach. and the 2nd phase will probably go ahead, but whether that's correct or not, a trump has done a huge damage to the united states by pacing this position. he's gain the patriot people across the region and beyond. because of policy, an issue is not an issue for us or for muslims. it is

a humanitarian issue. and we've seen people from across the growth low support, uh, from east asia to, to west asia, north africa, south africa, north america, south of america. this is a global issue now and for him to support this is randy region which is carried out this tennis. i have only harmed the united states and its allies. and i think this is something that the under estimate. yeah. the in the region that you know what i was gonna add onto, uh, what i am agreeing with you completely is that it shows that the, the west is take, uh, revealed itself. the mask is off there we are, the, the, the west. they showing that it is a supporter of ethnic cleansing, of neo imperialism, neo colonialism. the if he shows it better for what it is, because even though the europeans protest, you know, they clutch their pearls,

but they don't do anything about it. let's go to ramana in, in rome, you know, you know, war ethnic cleansing and annexation is been the results of the zine, this project against the palestinians in palestine. but now it's being proposed as the solution. again, it's bit everything is been flipped and we can just move these people expel them, then that will be uh, what does this someone call it? god, so largo i mean this it's, it would be funny if it wasn't so cringe, go ahead in rome. yes. first of all, we have to admit that this was the very intense, and i mean trump is no well pending. speaking about it, but the intention was indifferent in the budget ministration when they dropped all of these weapons to israel, when they gave green light and you know to everything. when you know drills we close doors. they were saying, please get rid of him off,

which actually means please get through the policy that people need is exactly what they were referring to. they wanted the ethnic cleansing, and even in terms of clues circle when mary, i'm ed or son for example, who do need any seen amount of money to trans campaign is talking about to fire. of course she doesn't have in mind uh, just before posting is what she has in mind is sheep focused, recovered the bethany of the hostages, and then she focused and ethic cleans uh, you know, to proceed with ethnic cleansing of the impulse to be the west bank which is every good of the set of community movement that she represents. but i want to see something about, i mean, whoever, whomever thinks that the splint is feasible, either lying or is completely ignorant of history and geography. because, i mean, in 1948, we have seen hundreds of thousands of posting is moving to our countries and we know that, you know,

our and countries are still dealing with that refugee crisis. how can we think that be split is feasible? the 1st of all, from a practical point of view. so they go to gaza, and mandatory take posting is one by one because the posting a people have demonstrated that they have no intention of leading casa, and that their resistance has been strong and proud throughout the genocide. so this is the 1st thing, and even in the case that the scenario is implementable, then arab countries talk, made a miracle. i mean, for 16 months of countries as many art countries where shamefully assigned to all the genocide and keep, you know, just meet this miracle, they actually are standing up. now of course we cannot be surprised when the king of jordan during the press conference, which seemed more like a truck then press conference, said talked about chief national interests. he is right. he is thinking about

you've national interest. you can not accept a large amount of boasting youth because he knows that it to be to discovery liking for his country. and in the same time, he cannot allow some to cross a certain threshold because that policy new cause is too important for his own people to yeah, well they, they, they, they entered the, the press conference. so you're talking about no, go to s about now in toronto that look more like a hostage video to me than anything else. it was really painful to watch here. but i mean, it's about me. is this a madman theory? i is tom saying, i have an idea is if it says, oh no idea, this is a new its going on since it least least 1948 even decades before expulsions. but is it, you know, come up with a better idea? give me a better idea, is this is tactic, is this, this negotiation approach? go ahead in toronto. well, i don't know, i would call it a negotiation. the seems more like black midland course and in particular with the

are of states, right. we jordan with egypt this long time allies in a bit of a warning to the others, right? especially to those who have normalized with these are all into one to normalize with these are all like saudi arabia by telling them what we are we to do with our allies. i think up by trunk. this is the 2nd term, you know, if these disease going to be his last term, you know, if he's on the list, there is a big guy change to the constitution of the coming down the line here, which i feel like at this point. we cannot do anything else, but this is going to be his last time, you know, if his and i feel like he's approaching it that way, right. he wants to reshape not just the day that he wants to, to, to both the united states in a different role. right. i think we saw that we medical reviews stating that this is no longer a uni butler world order. and you know, we're not going to be able to sanction the countries in 5 years. it seems like there's a lot of, of, of, of, of understanding in the term white house where, you know, a, the, the global quarter stands now. yeah. but the, i think there's something to what you're saying and i and,

and some of that i agree with. i mean on the greenland thing, but canada thing the panama, i get, i get the, i get that and we're in a way, it's like the building very. it's like it's like building fortress america. right. but then i'm going to throw now back to my home and here, but they're still the is, is real exception. it see that's what makes it so we a logical go ahead mohammed. but that's exactly why i think fall is a good thing for the world because and we've had this discussion during his 1st term multiple times on your show trunk shows the video phase of the united states. obviously, for example, of biden and obama is gone, as your guess, rightly pointed out, these policies of ethnic cleansing were being pursued under biden as well. and right now, so here, because it's so hypocritical watching items of borders, jonathan outrage or is showing an outrage of what trump statements when they were

assisting with this god, this holocaust and god. so it says if removing the palestinians has outrages but killing them where they are, as all is fine. so in a sense, i find this, this whole narrative refreshing because it exposes the united and by the way, puts a lot of pressure on the pope. pro western and pull americans happened the region because these dictators whether it's in jordan or egypt or even turkey or add on is continuing to sell it as oil to. and so ok, who cheat box a while to a nothing yahoo, all of them are put on or under greater pressure when the united states speaks like this when the president speaks like this. but personally, i do agree that i think there's really regime is an exception. we know the reason why the powerful design this lobby in the united states is behind it. but in general, i think that actually this whole, this talk of greenland in canada,

the panama canal, is, is an attempt to create a dignified retreat for the united states. yeah, the united states can sort of back off and ukraine and bad cough and other places back down in other areas, but show itself to be stronger and read. the only problem in my home is going after people that can't defend themselves. a what is green? one gonna say no, i me for, oh, yeah, germany might send troops, the u. k. may send troops there. and so what, okay, i would be the one thing that us about brought up, i think is really important before we go to the break here. trump is an egomaniac, he's thinking very, very much about his legacy and how he wants to be seen. he wants to be put on mount rushmore. that is his goal. he wants to a peace prize because obama got one. and so i think that there is an enormous amount of overreach here,

and we'll get to see it over the next few days. you think that the the ceasefire will continue, even if it does, they're still the 3rd part and that's what we're going to talk about when we come back from the break. we're to go to that break, and after that break, we'll continue our discussion. my goal is to stay with our to the

the, the russian states. never the phone in the most sense, community best ingles, all sense and the same assistance must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians cruising and split the r t spoke neck,

keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube. the question, did you even quickly check the local bank across stuff where all things are considered? i'm peter real about your mind. you were discussing godsa the ok. let's go to another in rome. it's already been mentioned here, the normalization of relations between saudi arabia and israel. the abraham process is it's called here, but there is a different normalization going on and this is what trump is done. he's normalized ethnic cleansing. okay. it's that you know, it has to be done. it just how it's done. that's this course is changed in that

direction, but it's very, very dangerous. and because there's a, you have a, a extremely right wing government under nothing, you know, in israel they're just tearing it on. and again, you know, maybe this is my interpretation, and i have to admit to all of you, i've talked to a lot of people since last tuesday, and there are a lot of you for an interpretation. so what's going on here? but it is a donald trump, again in the united states is taking on all of the risk because it'd be, the americans insist that it must be cleaned out. and these rates just like, well, you know, that's what the americans want to do. i mean, it's passing the risk. go ahead and roam. yes, i do not know exactly what trump had in mind. i have to say that the character is unpredictable, especially when it comes to foreign policy. but you know, doing that seem as press conference on february 4th. so to be shocked, even this unhealthy, very shocked. honestly,

it seemed that she was caught by surprise. but that nonsense and the, the, to risk that i see in the plan that trump enunciated is more in the way it can be absorbed by these, why you positive i treat. i think that for example, it anyhow, which doesn't necessarily would benefit from discipline any way. because even the effect of fading, the united states, we take ownership of golf. they're not saying is, well it's, we'll take ownership of government. they're saying this is an american issue. this is a washington issue, so i do not think that even on the ground for is well, these actually enables what made and how has in mind. but in the same time, it's on how immediately took advantage and try to get these lifeline for his own political interests or for example, to regroup his extremist government. so now the year, for example, didn't stop screening since february 4th, please implement the plan. i would like to tell them you're the problem is not that

they didn't try already to ask me to leave cleans god, but they have been trying for 16 months. the problem for you is that they didn't manage. they didn't succeed in best plan. but in the meantime, you know, nathan, how could take the end of the experience, government in these words and other political. it's a good thing is that because don't forget that's actually basically or main political parties. the news was totally agree. i have the i think lindsey of publishing is as a solution to the problem. so when we talk about extremism, the news, well, it's really very complicated and very complicated. a ground. yeah. well i, as i say, i think it's a very narrow overton window. okay, exactly. okay, that's about, i mean they were coming up this saturday about, uh, 3 hostages or hostages or all the hostages. they, you know, there's so many different takes, or you can interpret the way. what do you think they will go into the 2nd part of

the ceasefire? because it seems like israel has, we've, i think all of us with our agreement, they never were on board for this. it was put a political expediency at the time. i trump wanted it. he got, you know, he got the glory for it. the afterglow is almost gone, but i don't see why is real would do it a. um, they're looking at their costs, which is they never talk about the palestinian hostages that are being held in jails in israel. is there a chance that this could be extended? i say i do believe there is a chance a i'm not sure if it's uh the how big of a chance there is, right? because there is these. uh theres for lot there is for warm or in the indies. ready to go are meeting these really as uh, as i guess, as it is really population itself. right? uh they, they got the problem is not going to be resolved by allowing them to reveal this is the way that they see it, right? especially when you see email just of cassandra yates, we arm you, we these right new weapons, a setting up these pages, setting up these, these, these as small parades, right,

to showcase the 1st of all the hostages in the copy was really in english. i have barely been mistreated and 2nd of all that they're still in control, right? that they're literally coming out of the trenches saying, look, you committed genocide on us for 15 months, you slap and gossip, and yet here we are. here we are still, and this is a reminder that these really, uh they, that israel and the united states do not like to see, right, because it goes against everything that they have done and everything that they stand for and everything that they say. and now don't armstrong, this idea to ethnically cleansed a guy, so he's going to be sending us troops and band and very likely he's not going to be uh, he's not going to use randy troops doing a dr. we've already seen that. he's really troops. thank you. a lot of cbs, but they're not very successful at actually, you know, and removing people from uh, from uh where their homes are. and so what are we talking about here? i think at the end of the day here, they're probably going to consider private military contractors, right. a mercenary companies, like those that have already been putting in beats to come in and brought the

humanitarian songs inside of the gaza strip. so at the end of the day, what we're seeing today is really the depth of international law, the author of us condition. this is what the united states end of trump presidency and divided presidents who you as well thought, you know, going to be more of a saw was doing, you know, you know, mohammed, the, i think it as to bottom put it really just perfectly. this is the internet end of international law, international human and humanitarian law. and it's the way it's really pathetic about it is these are i is, they came out of the west and now the west has rejected them. there's always an exception. okay. it shows the west and it's true light. i mean how, what, what will happen during the 2nd stage here? i mean, there still captives in israel is nothing. yeah. who going to, he's a he does, he's never seem to have shown that have much interest in their fate. it's only because of the prodding of people like donald trump and his donors go ahead mohammed again,

i think that it is in trump's interest or the 2nd phase to move forward. but regardless of what happens when trauma, as you alluded to the, the 3rd phase when he rejected the 3rd phase a few days ago. basically what he did was that he undermine the united states as a negotiator. so for example, right now the united states wants to negotiate with you've drawn it yet. but when the writing and see that the united states, as the guarantor of the ceasefire in gaza is now saying we don't want the 3rd phase . that means you cannot trust united states, you cannot trust any deal that it proposes. and the same is remember not if it is rainy. regime violates the seeds fire day night. murder is innocent. people and the united states as a guarantor or the ceasefire, does nothing in that means. basically you cannot trust united states. and even

though i do not believe in the rules base order for the very reason, but you pointed out that it was designed by the west and it serves their interest. and they constantly violated it because they saw themselves as exceptional. but in my opinion, it was in their interest and undermining this order. actually, while it is it, it, it creates great hardship in the west becomes more brutal and him and it shows it as a matter of immortality. but i think the collapse of this order is in the long run, a good thing, because it breaks the chains, the americans and the europeans have created for the rest of the world and there, but it can no longer behaving an exceptional manner. the rest of the world no longer sees itself for themselves as a restrained by this order which benefits the west. so in my opinion, in the long run by, by violating the deal,

by dismissing the 3rd phase by violating the rules base order. what truck in the united states are doing, or by tearing up the rules base order, is that they are further undermining the position of the united states even though in its short term being made. he or the united states may think that it benefits the you know, it's very into the same amount of last week on this program to my head, to my good guests. and i think um, i saw the future of this movement because they were deeply divided on trumps policy . when it comes to the guys that i knew it was going to happen when you don't have power, you can say all kinds of things. but now trump is in office and his movement is getting more and more divided over this. there's a part of his movement is just as appalled as we are. and there, you know, it's a lot like, you know, a steel tear up. should it be 17 percent or 25 percent? we're not talking about tariffs,

we're talking about genocide and more and more people are beginning to realize that which side of history do you want to be on? and it's, it's good to divide his movement. that's why i said in my introduction, this is going to be determine his legacy. go head and room to. yes, absolutely. and i mean, some doesn't act in a vacuum. of course, you have a lot of influences. for example, last week there was a, in a letter from is where you revise standing him, that she was the messenger for of good against evil. so of course, he's acting in peace also in his own circle, which is, you know, filled with extreme as design. if and cetera of colonial and people who do not accept that the word is indeed changing. and i fully agree with the fact that the legitimacy of the west is, you know, shaking. and this is something that they cannot deny. they cannot be,

they can no longer deny and you know, even the, the east look itself, like the consequences of what happened in gaza. i think we would see them in the long run. israel has lost a detour, as news or a deterrence in the region. and e gaus itself, and this is something that, you know, in the long run we will see the consequences. but now they are particularly eager to show that they are still in control of that, you know, those feel some degree of power. and these of course will be a stage in this process that it would be particularly atrocious for publishing and, and the policy on population. but it is undeniable that what's happening, garza, what's happened, you never know what happened with you run to the have to end and you said we have to deal with that. as of all, we have 40 seconds left, finish it off for us. you know, i just want to to, to follow by. 2 reminding people that there's organizations at this point that are moving forward with uh, with the lawsuit. seconds is randy work, creamy knows, you know,

like the cambridge out foundation or even did the south africa's case against the agency. the international criminal court in which is going to open up a legal names for these are all to be accountable for his really needs to be accountable. and one would hope eventually even you went to leaders to be accountable for what they have allows to happen. and are going, we need to continue to allows of happen in ga. so, you know, joe might and normalize genocide thrown out thrown because if it's normalizing ebony glancing, what's next? right. where does the buck stop and where does the international community find all these sites? enough is enough. we're seeing a few of the things that the, the tragic thing is that the, the people of palestine are being monitored to create a better world. that's a really hard thing to think about, and that's all the time we have fascinating discussion when i think my guessing from toronto and into the end. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our tea. so you next time. remember prospect rules the

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