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. chomsky outlining is rails repeated, violation of peace agreements as shows as to level and rumble. were appealing to must, can anyone to x who as answers or if you know anyone who can help, please reach out to us here in due by the you a how this annual world government summit this off to the you a how tried rejected trump plan for ethnically, cleansing garza after the 15 months of vitamin harris natal, i'm genocide in palestine. trump secretary of state is due in the middle east today . that's often that and you know, i mean, your opinion leaders meeting in unit today they've been watching trumps v p j d. funds who met with ukrainian dictate to zalinski yesterday given the rise of bricks in the dying panes of us. and by now my dog, if need be a good time to ask, does the united states have a future? well, professor gilbert, dr. wrote that book and people a visiting scholar at columbia university's herman institute joins me now from the capital of brussels in belgium. the doctor, welcome back to the show. you know,
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before we even get into the nitty gritty, here i understand the new volumes by you are appearing in 2025 or a shade you will do war diaries more referring to the proxy war in russia through ukraine. what did you make a regular munich summit to exit the rustles in front of nato defense secretaries appearing to say, you know, of the $1000000.00 dead ukrainians? 25 percent directory gone. so $7000000.00 plus displays bankruptcy if you grain no day to a membership, know you security guarantees. if anything, $500000000.00 a debt in minerals to the usa. know it stream bombings and nothing is regard to germany. and basically, that's it. the nato troops are not going to be in ukraine, and ukraine has to give up. the land are the is there is a lot of news. the fact there, the, the journalist of the world are overwhelmed by the initiatives, not always call them. journalists provides a doctor uh the, the,
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those who are putting out the daily briefings that most of the public ridge call that just information call it while you will. the point is that mr. trump has a flurry of initiatives every day which capture the imagination of media, both main stream media, and let's be honest about it. so try to be a question is, what is he actually intending to do? and the question arises because of the, the distance between the tree and his words and his actions of the the subsidy we've noted a long time ago is given to bluster to an exaggerated threats as a method of negotiation of softening up is talking partners and making them a minimum minimal to solving things as he would like. regrettably what is missing
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and all of this is a sense of reality, a sense of being well informed, disregard. i think one thing we should direct attention to is the concrete continuity and ignorance in the our decision makers in washington and in your before mr. trump's appearance on the stage after his appearance on the stage, the the real problem. it's astonishing. statements that were made by 20 blinking in his last press conference. just before departing office, he was reciting all the principals or the, the concepts that had guided him in his, during his period in office as a business back to russia and the war and ukraine. and everything was delusional. everything showed an absolute inability to absorb what he could find into the
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daily newspapers if he ever welcome them. same is true of people around donald trump today, and trump himself, in his statement statements for this case. let's go to that president cards office . i want to get to that and, and name them. because i mean, as you imply, the journalists have to quit the swivel around what they've been saying for 2 years defending this uh, this obvious defeat that was coming for nato power is because they seem to try and make out that this wasn't a huge concession when as you refer to it, blinking was saying no, everything crimea will positive, says something to the nato idea, naming the personnel who is general kellogg, the coal and flake defendant, who seemed to be saying only the other day that the, that the, that there was that somebody the of it's sanctions enforcement. he was telling the new york post owned by rupert murdoch,
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that sanctions enforcement on rusher only at 3 on a scale of one to 10. just tell us who kellogg is and how that goes to support of what you're saying about the people around trump, giving him clearly well giving them lies with which to somehow handle this situation. the problem is that people like color are high positions. they have is a general control and you already know they are, they are. yeah, she is the emissary. other to the donald trump chose he's, he's made very peculiar choices. and the opening days of who will be the power ministry, people, people who are as as go, astro, built in the country for security and domestic and international for foreign policy is taking people who nominally have been on the other side of these issues from
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what he was saying during the initial actual campaign and he has the, the, the, the, the expectation to say will follow his orders and do his bidding. and in that way, by taking people who are not just post, give us interpretation. he is going to be able to deal with the unit party in congress in a, in a constructive way and to have them approved. but here's what he is going to recommend to them. this is a, this is a tactic that may succeed. you may not, mister kellogg is part of this tactic. someone who is not a believer in uh, in uh, finding a, a, an accommodation with russian. not just the, the, the end of the war. but an accommodation with russia, which was from the very beginning. it's clear, mr. trump's intention and the problem with full and with trump himself
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is that they are mission ford. now there are explanations. i have, i am on a number of different, very reputable, and a far j to, to interview programs. and my peers who are interviewed separately in these programs are military experts, su a people. and they will come to one conclusion that the 8 c, l a and the other intelligence agencies on stage had been feeding to the president and to everyone who has a right to this, this intelligence briefings that are made day by day. they've been repeating some essentially, let's say pickup and cap, and they pass it along as guides. truth, without any attempt to, to try to find other sources as words, the top people decision makers on this page had been fed lies and propaganda for the last 3 years by the intelligence agencies which a, c, i, c, i, a,
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is the most prominent. however, there are problems with that explanation and the problems that come up particularly last month or so when the main purveyors of lies and propaganda are mainstream media, like the financial times like to new york times have changed their to and are giving day by day factual information about the training and losses that the russian games out of balance in the trajectory of the war now leading directly to a russian victory is these just ever picked up the new york times and throw away the trash they're receiving. let's see, i have, they would be saying very different things. mister trump, mister kellogg, j d events, they all would be saying something different. instead, we hear such a war is terribly costing lives and it's
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a stalemate. it is not still. so let me just see, i would tell you is a search, tell me the news that we get a budget in mainstream. i'm not talking about alternative media. i'm not talking about cheerleaders for russian. i'm talking about mainstream information. so you went to a look essentially, i've noticed that you have to, and of course we know talk a call soon within the white house in the past few days, we know his views and of you booting and as being continuously talking about how the narratives in the media are available to american citizens, left alone, the in the totality area and european union way. you where it's banned, talk about the nazis of ukraine, where archie is. i understand is banned where you are. the twitter is banned in the european union. don't allow w o where you are in brussels to receive information. perhaps even that, like the new york times is now printing. and you wouldn't be allowed to read that
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a few months ago. hm. well, yes, and no. the situation in europe is that they're not quite as viable is because you're testing r t is under that. that's clear. but you can watch, i watch the russian news every day. uh for interactions. and frankly speaking, i just, i know it was, there are a few people out there, no rush. and the point is that the russian news is actually better than any of the english language productions that archie was putting out the they are they hope they're available on, on, on various if it goes to your difficult for pressing on 50 contracts to access this kind of thing obviously, and it's easier, given the 200 know go to a concert to go to your local library public library. way you'll find that to me seriously. some books being bull by the public library and some on the i think one
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with i'll give you. but on this idea are sanctions then let's go to this as quickly go to sanctions. trump claim that the sanctions are a way of leveraging zalinski and, and then uh and any kind of seem to be appearing to say no leveraging zelinski over to accept to any terms. but to get these um, detaining them and lift the minerals out of ukraine. i think we both know actually there are no in ukraine anymore. there in what rush you can see it is russia now. so what do you think it'll be wheat fields? the scope besides the treasury secretary was very ahead of today's music. somebody, as we're talking about fake news, this whole story, which was originally goes back to the uh, to zaleski himself. this was 2 months ago, but he was proposing that to that ukraine's mineral wells be put on an
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offer to the stage or to europe as a guarantee for the payment of all the equipment that is being delivered to, to you pray. now this was put up then it's now been revived, is never as if it was a new i think, newly discovered idea in the, in the trunk white house. but there's nothing to it. it is simply a smoke and mirrors for, for the unsuspecting and 100 formed public. the discretion has been dealt with on russian talk chosen by jury or forward changes experts who have said that, oh yes, please, the, these were metals then titanium not just the rivers, but muscles like a genuine wisdom which have great value today exist in ukraine, and they're spread out in many different places, so i don't quite agree with you that the whole and the russian sector, maybe 30 percent of us this lucy and merch attaining,
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are in to say 25 percent of the land mass of russia just now occupying their what the main point is that this is not a new content has just been discovered in the middle of the ocean. ukraine has been around for a long time. it was part of the several journeymen. so beginning at one of the most of the world's leading, extracted mineral industries. they, they mind everything imaginable in the russian federation. and they never meant spend much money developing the extraction of these minerals in ukraine for good, really? well, we'll get back as they said, but 2 of them are truly viable. we'll get back to, there's a button to propose a go with up to our, i'll stop you. the more from the author of does the united states have a future after this, right? the, the
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the welcome back to going underground. and i'm still here with the author of does rush, i'm a future and for the challenge of the russian book, and let's reprise progressive gilbert golf, tara professor, dr. o, we were talking about the minerals in the, the end of thought one you were saying, actually it's reading the over rag, this idea that it's all in the russian. now, lots of russia, parts of you. great. there are rarer minerals. we'll trump uh, get ahold of them. you were saying that there uh they haven't been really that developed since the valuable came down. and before you're where to. busy because they're not worth developing, and there are many mendoza, whole times. there were 100 cards and all kinds spread over the whole globe. but there are very few concentrations of whether extracted and extracted where's commercially viable is not commercially viable to extract them of ukraine, the geology, such that it doesn't pay to do it,
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isn't paid to do it. so it sort of done images. so this is how there is a distraction from the real issue of the supplier, adobe supply arms to ukraine. and if it's, if the issue is, is advanced. if they say that there's something to, to extract from ukraine, it's only twice an argument of false argument to justify continuing to send arms to ukraine. and continuing to do to lie about the real state of the war, which is not a sale. they been intending russian victories and attending ukrainian defeat, but then we should be its relation, but they all items, uh, as far as we understand it from the united states, still going there. and presumably, the lensky and uh, those neo nazis, uh that are part of the forces of ukraine will think. now is the time to increase
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the amount of a symmetric tire or offensive as the last gossips. as you imply of a losing a of a losing battle, i mean, she'd rush and i'd be expecting more terror attacks. i know there have been a since told the trump took office. it is always unforeseeable. but you engage in terrorism when you are losing on the battlefield in traditional warfare. so every effort by the ukraine to, to murder a generals, to murder heis of the founders of the, of the militias in the dunbar. as they have done the last 2 months. and these are demonstrations of their weakness, not of their strength. the why don't we have true wage. izzy capitulation, the russians now are within close distance trip across which is the last major
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fortified center in the middle of done yes, of us the region. and once that is taken, which is likely in the next several weeks, there will be a clean drive just in the upper river. in the it is in the, the ukraine trips have very little possibility falling back in the building defenses and protect themselves against the coming on smart. this is why the, the crumbling is, i'm willing to a, to proceed to am, to a cease fire. it is our role, it has taken a long time to reach this momentum, but they're now enjoying and they want to see it through to the end. as the vast majority of russians want to see happen. yeah. what about then, the british, the british being closely involved in the proxy war?
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not just because you can't be embarrassed, johnson has been in dubai. actually this week uh, famous discovering the piece negotiation in that key, which would have, can be saved so many lives in effect. he helped gail an end. so many of those lives . does it have any wide or repercussions if us a guess tom or of britain does what? some of the sources are claiming that he would put british soldiers into the conflict. the tags at the boss of the pentagon jumps, most of the pentagon saying you can individually european countries put people in the just know under a nato umbrella. any real repercussions of the mass slaughter of british soldiers in kiev for i live in bots of ukraine, presuming the russians is to go to the mall, or is that just a separate side side, but obviously terrible for the british as these remarks. they start from previous behavior by bars jones. they are bravado. they're empty. i'm serious. the russians
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are laughing officially, even though is the whole ground force of britain is $50000.00 and the russians have now um, more than a 1000000 met at arms, going close to a 1000000 and a half to speak about the 50000 pound force. if there was a pretty good a sell sending some tire on to the to the front, it would be wiped out and then then you would have school would be left to protect prisoner ship a few policeman there, bobby hatch. this is absurd. is just, this is the situation back in the, in the, in the iraq war was and the lead lead up to that was that the, the bridge where the products to, to the americans. unfortunately, the pro business has moved on and that the british today and the personal johnson
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that now stammered, they are the attack dogs. they are, they have moved headed out in front of the united states. and they are exposing himself to the other hatred and contempt of the russians. um, the, if there were to go to be an escalation, burton has a bull's eye written all over. the trump could tell them to go, trump doesn't seem to have much time for the current british government. i should just say the british people thankfully like in so many other european countries of these leaders have very little political capital. we which to deploy huge numbers of troops to the east trying to yes, this is will empty talk. the europeans, $25.27 european leaders are conformist and cowards and they're shaking in their books today as to what the americans will do for america, pulls out a supporting ukraine and says, boys,
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it's yours. they know very well that they will drop football. they have no ability to provide equipment, provide manpower to provide the air covered and the intelligence in real time intelligence that has been provided button stage. in short, they are unable to assist ukraine in any significant way. absent american participation, there are 2 out of 27 nash leaders who are the head of the rest in facing reality. and they are not friends approaching. they are simply realists. so the, the meeting that took place last weekend between the uh, the far right of these years of europe, which includes of course 3, but then um, and so do you need from literally, uh,
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they have take cards from the positions of donald trump. and so there is a bit more distance as high levels within europe, i think is a matter of the future is airport crack. finally, since everyone is not running for cover in the stations of mr. trump started aggression plans for, for a revising trade relations with yet there's a lot of wonder sacrifice with a crack. what does that device they made and that people is made with the increasing hazing costs sign, inflation and so on. i should, i should say, that is not only the usa of a future, the written as a collection of essays. it is, does russia have a future rest? you're obviously believes or the russian government does that come out of this terrible proxy. war has come advantages because of the sanctions because of the new links to china and iran into india and so on. of course. uh,
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i have to just find the rebel, but really by asking you about how refreshing your thought is that trump ended the aerial bombardment of gaza and the actual kinetic of genocide, at least for a few weeks since he was came into office. and then refreshingly explains that it's about ethnic cleansing. how does united the entire world against the policies of say, they feel policies as regards palestine? israel, here in the u. a allied to saudi arabia read, you have to rush it to china to everyone is now on board for realizing that the zionist project is a lead full and despicable one. i started to draw any conclusions about what the trunk is doing. well, it's planning. as i said, he's a master showman and he has his own understanding the problem because she issues
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shouldn't be prepared as one thing to say yesterday did wonders in not ending the the very bottom bottom chickasha my god. and i think i'm with now people are watching this of us. we have to say whether it might be just normal this, that was a standing he managed to or to achieve a cease fire. and he was receiving muscle to is that he has put a from yet on the plans of nature, yahoo to attack you wrong, the relation to get me wrong or not sorry. oh, i was personally helpful. that's barely said now to reach from the trumpet ministration. today a wrong when i go sessions the say all you may have been in the rain and government that say no, we will never negotiate with the trump administration. as far as i understand that that's a runs position because there's no point in believing donald trump, because donald trump was the man who wrote back was who's crowing about killing the
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general to the money could be the man who successfully defeated isis. how give me, as i believe in the country, i believe that there were background sparks changed around washington. and the stage around was very helpful. not just the president about the they supreme leader is full for the face with a lead to a accommodation. it's nice place, according to the conference station that goes back to 1980, addressed an proceedings or something back to the president. does escal need be or i'll give you the argument fun for that is the nature of the long term comprehensive cooperation that russia continued for the wrong. a couple of weeks ago. we all expect you to start with. i think it's a component of national defense. you didn't, and the fact that it was asked was by up this understanding of both my strong entry,
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what if there was about to be an accommodation of some sort, christy nonsense. and then it was appropriate to do the best of that to have a military alliance between rough do well. so there was the expectation, regrettably, mr. try and entered into this plan and it goes, oh, well, i got overcharged for proceeding to do to, to say about the wrong the same as he has done in advance of negotiations with this approach. we impose a more draconian sanctions on you and then you will come and negotiate with us. and we will do. we'll do some positions too. right. but this is obvious attempt, regrettably, it doesn't work regrettably for him. i'd say at the moment for the right page, do you mean most of the time to whoever had the time we'll have direct and do is hopefully we won't be will by then or do use the united states will be it will by
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then professor gilbert caro thank you. now that's all, that's it for this year. i will be back on monday to us cable is the i a and us state department of visual how far trump is again being undermined from inside his own administration. and he'll then you can keep in touch my role as social media or if it's not sense in your country or indeed it's not censored by you don't musk otherwise. what's going on the right to be able to come to watch new and old episodes going on the ground. see monday, the the donald trump wrist repeating jo biden's disasters and gaza allowing genocide to
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