the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered and peter level, donald trump risk repeating joe biden's disasters in gaza. allowing genocide he returned to office claiming to be a peacemaker trumps of words and actions about gods that demonstrate the opposite. what donald trump does now will define his presidency and legacy,

the cross talking guys, i'm joined by my guess what i'm in mirandi until then. he's a professor at the university of the around in rome. we have romano roberto, she is an author and the managing editor of the palestine chronicle. and in toronto, we cross esteban carrillo lopez. he is a news desk editor at the cradle. all right, cross type roles and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciated while i'm in monday and towed in. what is trumps gambit here? because in all of us, obviously have made it a point in our lives to follow the tragedy that unfold. unfolded in palestine and you know, trump in, in a few days of his new presidency has, was, seamlessly adopted israel's policy of, of expulsion and ethnic cleansing seamlessly, all the 2 state solution stuff and all oswell and camp day, all of that stuff. it's gone. and to top it all off is

a recognition that there is no such thing as a palestinian. he's come so far to go so far backwards mohammed personally and i may be wrong. i think that tom still wants to seize, hold, and selfish interest. and so i'm guessing, and i may be completely wrong that uh, there's rarely rising. we'll have to make concessions from it and move away from its maximum this approach. and the 2nd phase will probably go ahead. but whether that's correct or not, a top has done a huge damage to the united states by pacing this position. he's gain the patriot people across the region and beyond. because of policy,

an issue is not an issue for us or for muslims. it is a humanitarian issue, and we've seen people from across the girl, lo, a supported from east asia to west asia, north africa, south africa, north america, south america. this is a global issue now and for him to support is randy region which is carried out this genocide has only harmed the united states and its allies. and i think this is something that the underestimate. yeah. the in the regions that, you know what i was gonna add onto, uh, what i am agreeing with. you completely. is it, it, it shows that the, the west is take, uh, revealed itself. the mask is off. there we are, the, the, the west they showing that it is a supporter of ethnic cleansing, of neo imperialism, neo colonialism. the if he shows it better for what it is, because even though the europeans protest, you know,

they clutch their pearls. but they don't do anything about it. let's go to ramana and in rome, you know, you know, war ethnic cleansing and annexation is been the result of the zine, this project against the palestinians in palestine. but now it's being proposed as the solution. again, it's bit everything is been flipped and we can just move these people um, expel them. then there will be, um, uh, what does this someone call it, god, so largo i mean this it's, it would be funny if it wasn't so cringe, go ahead in rome. yes. first of all, we have to admit that this was the very intense, and i mean trump is no well pending. speaking about it, but the intention was indifferent in the budget ministration when they dropped all of these weapons to israel, when they gave green light. and you know, to everything, when you know, drills would close doors, they were saying, please get rid of him off,

which actually means please get rid of the policy. the people did is exactly what they were referring to. they wanted the ethnic cleansing, and even in terms of close circle with mariam edge or some for example, who do need an insane amount of money to trans campaign is talking about to fire. of course, who doesn't have in mind. uh, just the piece for posting is what she has in mind is sheep focused, recovered the bethany of the hostages, and then she focus and se cleans uh, you know, to proceed with the ethnic, cleansing, of god. the impulse to be the west bank, which is records of the federalist colonial movement that she represents. but i want to say something about, i mean, whoever, whomever thinks that the splint is feasible, either lying or is completely ignorant of history and geography. because, i mean, in 1948, we have seen hundreds of thousands of posting is moving to our countries and we know that, you know,

our and countries are still dealing with that refugee crisis. how can we think that this plan is feasible? first of all, from a practical point of view. so they go to gaza and mandatory take posting is one by one because the posting of people have demonstrated that they have no intention of leading casa, and that their resistance has been strong and proud. throughout the genocide, so this is the 1st thing, and even in the case of this scenario is implementable, then arab countries top made a miracle. i mean, for 16 months of countries, a sunni art countries where shamefully assignment to the genocide and keep, you know, just meet this miracle they actually are standing up. now of course we cannot be surprised when the king of jordan during the press conference, which seemed more like a truck then press conference, said talked about chief national interests. he is right. he is thinking about

you've national interests. you cannot accept a large amount of boasting use because he knows the it to be to discovery lising for his country. and in the same time, he cannot allow from to cross a certain threshold because that po senior calls is too important for his own people to yeah, well they, they, they, they enter the, the press, uh, the conferences you're talking about, no, go to s about now in toronto that look more like a hostage video to me than anything else. it was really painful to watch here. but i mean the s about a, is this a madman theory? i as tom saying, i have an idea is if it says, oh no idea, this is whitney whats going on since it leaves least 1948 even decades before expulsions. but is it, you know, come up with a better idea? give me a better idea, is this is tactic. is this, this negotiation approach? go ahead in toronto. well, i don't know. i would call it a negotiation. the seems more like blackmail inquire,

streaming particular with the are of states right? with jordan, with egypt as long time allies in a bit of a warning to the others, right. especially to those who have normalized with these are all into one to normalize with these are all like saudi arabia by telling them what we are waiting to do with our allies. i think a by trump, this is the 2nd term. you know, if it's easy is going to be his last term. you know, if he's on the list, there is a big change to the constitution of the coming down the line here, which i feel like at this point we cannot do anything else. but these things are going to be his last time, you know, if his and i feel like he is approaching it that way, right. he wants to reshape not just the, the he wants to, to, to both the united states in a different role. right. i think we saw that we medical reviews stating that these is no longer a uni butler world order. and you know, we're not going to be able to sanction the countries in 5 years. it seems like there's a lot of, of, of, of, of understanding in the term white house where, you know, a, the, the global border stands now. yeah. but in the savannah i think there's something

to what you're saying. and i and, and some of that i agree with, i mean the greenland thing, the canada thing, the panama, i get, i get the, i get that and we, and a way it's like the building or it's like it's like building fortress america, right? but then i'm gonna throw now back to my home in here, but they're still be is, is real exception. it see that's what makes it so illogical. go ahead. mohammed. but that's exactly why i think fall is a good thing for the world because and we've had this discussion during his 1st term multiple times on your show. tom shows the video pace of the united states. the see, for example, of biden and obama is gone, as your guess, rightly pointed out, these policies of ethnic cleansing were being pursued under biden as well. uh and right now. so here, because it's so different, critical watching items of borders. joe, anything outrage or you are showing an outrage of what trump statements when they

were assisting with this god, this holocaust and god. so it says if removing the palestinians has outrages but killing them where they are, as all is fine. so in a sense, i find this, this whole narrative refreshing because it exposes the united and by the way, puts a lot of pressure on the polk pro western and pull american camp in the region. because these dictators, whether it's in jordan or egypt or even turkey, where ad on is continuing to sell it as oil to. and so who cheat box a while to and nothing yahoo, all of them are put on or under greater pressure when the united states speaks like this, when the president speaks like this. but personally, i do agree that i think there's really, regime is an exception. we know the reason why the powerful design this lobby in the united states is behind it. but in general, i think that actually this whole,

this talk of greenland in canada and the panama canal is, is an attempt to create a dignified retreat for the united states. yeah, the united states can sort of back off and ukraine and bad cough and other places back down in other areas, but show itself to be stronger. the only problem in the home is going after people that can't defend themselves. a yeah. what, what is green when gonna say no? i me for, oh, yeah, germany might send troops, the u. k. may i send troops there? and so what, okay, i would be the one thing that us about brought up, i think is really important before we go to the break. here. trump is an egomaniac . he's thinking very, very much about his legacy and how he wants to be seen. he wants to be put on mount rushmore. that is his goal. he wants to a peace prize because obama got one. and so i think that there is an enormous amount of overreach here,

and we'll get to see it all over the next few days. you think that the the ceasefire will continue, even if it does, there's still the 3rd part and that's what we're going to talk about when we come back from the break. we're to go to that break, and after that break, we'll continue our discussion. my goal is to stay with darky, the climate global warming thoughts. so field warming has become a convenient scape code for, you know, all of the planets, problems you know, lived over there is a water resource shortage. they don't blame for water management, bad governance, or extravagant use of water. instead,

they blamed climate change the or the welcome next across software. all things are considered. i'm peter real about you mind you were discussing godsa the ok. let's go to another in rome. it's already been mentioned here, the normalization of relations between saudi arabia and israel. they, the abraham process is it's called here, but there is a different normalization going on. and this is what trump is done. he's normalized ethnic cleansing. okay. it's that, you know, it has to be done. it just how it's done. that's this course is changed in that direction, but it's very, very dangerous. and because there's a, you have a, a extremely right wing government under nothing, you know, in israel, they're just tearing it on. and again, you know,

maybe this is my interpretation. and i have to admit to all of you, i've talked to a lot of people since last tuesday, and there are a lot of different interpretations of what's going on here. but it is a donald trump, again in the united states is taking on all of the risk because it'd be, the americans insist that it must be cleaned out. and these rates and say, well, you know, that's what the americans want to do. i mean, it's passing the risk go ahead in room. yes, i do not know exactly what trump had in mind. i have to say that the character is unpredictable, especially when it comes to foreign policy. but you know, doing that seem as press conference on february 4th to be shocked even this unhealthy and very shocked. honestly, it seemed that she was caught by surprise by that and nonsense. and the, the to risk that i see in the plan that trump and on seated is more in the way it can be absorbed by these, where you potty digs. i treat, i think that for example, it anyhow,

which doesn't necessarily would benefit from discipline any way. because you know, the effect of saying the united states, we take ownership of god, but they're not saying is, well, it's will take ownership of government. they're saying this is an american issue, this is a washington issue. so i do not think that even on the ground for is well, these actually enables was made and how has in mind. but in the same time, it's on how immediately took advantage and tried to get the lifeline for his own political interests. or for example, to regroup his extreme government. so now been near, for example, didn't stop screaming since february 4th. please implement the plan. i would like to tell them you're the problem is not that they didn't try already to ethically cleans garza. they have been trying for 16 months. the problem for you is that they didn't manage. they didn't succeed in best plan. but in the meantime, you know,

nathan help would take the end of the 2 is government in these words and other political groups he needs what? because don't forget that actually basically, or main political parties, he needs was totally agree on the ethnic, cleansing, of publishing is as a solution to the problem. so when we talk about extremism in these, well, it's really very complicated, very complicated, a ground. yeah. well i, as i say, i think it's a very narrow overton window. okay, exactly. okay. that's about, i mean, they were coming up this saturday about uh, 3 hostages or hostages or all the hostages. they get it. there's so many different takes there. you can interpret the way what do you think they will go into the 2nd part of the ceasefire? because it seems like israel has, we've, i think all of us with our agreement, they never were on board for this. it was public political expedients at the time i trump wanted it. he got, you know,

he got the glory for the afterglow is almost gone. but i don't see why is real would do it a. um they're looking at their costs, which is they never talk about the palestinian hostages that are being held in jails in israel. is there a chance that this could be extended a hey, i do believe there is a chest a i'm not sure if it's uh the how big of a chance of there is right? because there is these uh theres for a lot there is for warm or into into is really government into is really as uh, as i guess as it is really population itself. right. uh they, they got the problem is not going to be resolved by allowing them to reveal this is the way that they see it, right? especially when you see email just of cassandra yates, we arm you, we, these ready weapons a setting up display, just setting up these uh these, these are small parades, right, to showcase the 1st of all the hostages in the copy was really in english. i have barely been mistreated, the 2nd of all, but they're still in control, right? that they're literally coming out of the trenches and saying, look, you committed genocide on those for 15 months, you slap and gossip,

and yet here we are. here we are still, and this is a reminder that these really uh, that is real and they're not as bates do not like to see, right, because it goes against everything that they have done and everything that they stand for and everything that they say. and now i don't know it's wrong that these ideas to ethnically cleansed a guy, so she's going to be sending us troops and band and very likely he's not going to be uh, he's not gonna be ready troops doing it right. we already seen that. he's ready, troops kill a lot of cbs, but they're not very successful at actually, you know, and removing people from uh, from uh where their homes are. and so what are we talking about here? i think at the end of the day he a, they're probably going to consider private military contracting. probably the mercenary companies, like those that have already been putting in beats to come in and broaden the humanitarian songs inside of the gaza strip. so at the end of the day, what we're seeing today is really the depth of international law. the author of us can be said, this is what the united states end of trump presidency and divided presidents as

well. i'll tell you what i'd be more of a saw was doing, you know, you know, mohammed the, i think it as the bottom put it really just perfectly. this is the internet end of international law, international human and humanitarian law. and it's the way it's really pathetic about it is these were i is they came out of the west and now the west has rejected them. there's always an exception. okay. it shows the west and it's true light. i mean how, what, what will happen during the 2nd stage here, i mean, there still captives in israel is nothing. yeah. who going to, he's a, he does, he's never seem to have shown that have much interest in their fate. it's only because of the prodding of a people like donald trump and his donors go ahead mohammed again, i think that it is in trump's interest for the 2nd space and move forward. but regardless of what happens when from, as you alluded to the, the 3rd phase when he rejected the 3rd phase

a few days ago. basically what he did was that he undermine the united states as a negotiator. so for example, right now the united states wants to negotiate with you've drawn it yet. but when the writing and see that united states as the guarantor of the ceasefire in gaza is now saying we don't want the 3rd phase. that means you cannot trust the united states, you cannot trust any deal that it proposes. and the same is remember not if it is rainy. regime violates this. he's fired a night. murder is innocent people and the united states as a guarantor or the ceasefire, does nothing in that means. basically you cannot trust the united states. and even though i do not believe in the rules base order for the very reason that you pointed out, that it was designed by the west and it serves their interest. and they constantly

violated it because they saw themselves as exceptional. but in my opinion, it was in their interests and undermining this order. actually, while it is it, it, it creates great hardship in the west becomes more brutal and in and it shows it as part of immortality. but i think the collapse of this order is in the long run, a good thing, because it breaks the chains, nothing americans and the europeans have created for the rest of the world. and there, but it can no longer behaving an exceptional manner. the rest of the world no longer sees itself for themselves as a restrained by this order which benefits the west. so in my opinion, in the long run, by, by violating the deal, by dismissing the 3rd phase by violating the rules base order, what truck and the united states are doing, or by tearing up the rules base order is that they're further undermining the

position of the united states, even though in its short term being made, he or the united states may think that it benefits so you know, it's very interesting. remember last week on this program to my head, to my good guests. and i think um, i saw the future of this movement because they were deeply divided on trumps policy . when it comes to the guys that i knew it was going to happen when you don't have power, you can say all kinds of things. but now trump is in office and his movement is getting more and more divided over this. there's a part of his movement is just as appalled as we are. and there, you know, it's a lot like, you know, a steel tear up should be 17 percent or 25 percent. we're not talking about tariffs, we're talking about genocide and more and more people are beginning to realize that which side of history do you want to be on? and it's, it's good to divide his movement. that's why i said in my introduction,

this is going to be determine his legacy. go ahead and roam to. yes, absolutely. and i mean, some doesn't act in a vacuum. of course, you have a lot of influences. for example, last week there was a, in a letter from is where you revised handing him that she was the messenger for a good against evil. so, of course, he's acting in these also in his own circle, which is, you know, filled with extreme as design. if and cetera of colonial and people who do not accept that the word is indeed changing. and i fully agree with the fact that the legitimacy of the west is, you know, shaking. and this is something that they cannot deny. they cannot be, they can no longer deny. and you know, even the, the ease work itself, like the consequences of what happened in gaza. i think we would see them in the long run. evil has lost to deter, is misery,

deterrence in the region and engulf itself. and this is something that, you know, in the long run we will see the consequences. but now they are particularly eager to show that they are still in control. that, you know, there was to some degree of power and these, of course, will be a stage in this process that it would be particularly atrocious for publishing and, and the policy on population. but it is undeniable that without pending cause of what happened, you never know what happened with iran to really have to end and easily. we have to deal with that. as of all, we have 40 seconds left, finish it off for us. you know, i just wanted to, to follow by uh, remind people that there is organizations at this point that are moving forward with uh, with the lawsuit. so again, this is randy, ward cream knows you know, like the heat bridge off from nation or even day the south africa's case against the agency. the international criminal court, which is going to open up a legal names for these are all to be accountable for his radiators to be accountable. and one would hope eventually even you went to leaders to be

accountable for what they have allowed to happen and are going we need to continue to are allowed to happen in ga. so, you know, joe might and normalize genocide thrown out, thrown because if it's normalizing ebony glancing, what's next? right. where does the buck stop and where does the international community find all these sites enough is enough. we're seeing a few of the things that the, the tragic thing is that the, the people of palestine are being monitored to create a better world. that's a really hard thing to think about. that's all the time we have fascinating discussion. want to make my guessing room toronto and into the end. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our t. so you next time, remember prospect rules.

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