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is refused to explain why we used to have free speech on x, even though the genocide jo, his regime in washington. you can now follow us on my personal account at option return. see, you don't look censorship game just weeks after which we did our interview with president trump's new deputy assistant, us tweeting about palestinian energy resources in gaza. and americans visited no m chomsky outlining israel's repeated violation of peace agreements as shows as skill level and rumble. were appealing to must, can anyone if x who as answers or if you know anyone who can help please reach out to us here in due by the way you held its annual lo government summit this up to the you. a outright rejected trumps plan for ethnically cleansing guys after the 15 months of vitamin harris and h o. m genocide in palestine. trump secretary of state is due in the middle east today. that's after letting you know, i mean, your opinion leaders meeting in munich today. they've been watching trumps v p j d phones to match with ukrainian dictate to zalinski yesterday given the rise of
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bricks and the dying panes of us. i'm by now my dog if need be a good time to ask, does the united states have a future? well, professor gilbert of tara wrote that book and people, a visiting scholar at columbia university's herman institute joins me now from the capital of brussels in belgium. the doctor, welcome back to the show. you know, before we even get into the nitty gritty, here i understand the new volumes by you are appearing in 2025 or a shed. you'll do war diaries more referring to the proxy war in russia through ukraine. what did you make a red road munich? summit haig said that brussels in front of nato defense secretaries appearing to say, you know, of the 1000000 dead ukrainians. 25 percent directory gone. so $7000000.00 plus displays bankruptcy. if you grain, no nato membership, no, you security guarantees. if anything, $500000000.00 a debt in minerals to the usa, know it's stream bombings and nothing is regards germany. and basically,
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that's it. the nato troops are not going to be in ukraine. and ukraine has to give up. the land are the is, there's a lot of news, the sector, the, the journalist of the world, overwhelmed by the initiatives. not sure, always you call them journalists, professor dr. the those who are putting out of the daily briefings that most of the public ridge call that just information color. but you will. the point is that mr. trump has a slow rate of initiatives every day which capture the imagination of media. both main stream media must be honest about, oh, to be a question is, what is he actually intending to do? and the question arises because of the, the distance between the train, his words and his actions of the the subsidy. we've noted
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a long time ago. he is given to bluster to an exaggerated threats as a method of negotiation of softening up is talking partners and making them a minimum minimal to solving things as he would like. regrettably what is missing and all of this is a sense of reality. a sense of being well informed, disregard. i think one thing we should a direct attention to is the concrete continuity and ignorance in the our decision makers in washington and in your before mr. trump's appearance on the stage. and after his appearance on the stage, the, the real style machine and statements that were made by 20 blinking in his last press conference just before departing office, he was reciting all the principals or the,
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the concepts that had guided him and his during this period in office as there's stick to russia and the war and ukraine and everything was delusional. everything showed absolutely ability to absorb what he could find to the daily newspapers if he ever welcomed them. same is true of people around donald trump today, and trump himself, in his state statements for this good. let's go to that provides the office. i want to get to that and, and name them. because i mean, as you imply, the journalists have to quit the swivel around what they've been saying for 2 years defending this uh, this obvious defeat that was coming for nato power is because they seem to try and make out that this wasn't a huge concession when as you refer to it, blinking was saying no, everything crimea will positive was something to the nato idea. naming the
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made very peculiar choices and then you're opening days of who will be the power ministry. people, people who are as, as go astro, built in the country for security and domestic and international for foreign policy is taking people who nominally have been on the other side of these issues from what he was saying during visual actual campaign. and he has the, the, the, the, the expectation to say, will follow his orders and do his bidding. and in that way, by taking people who are not just post diverse interpretation, he is going to be able to deal with the, the unit party in congress, in a, in a constructive way and to have them approved. but here's what he is going to recommend to them. this is a, this is a tactic that may succeed. you may not, mister kellogg is part of this tactic. someone who is not a believer in uh,
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in uh, finding a, a, an accommodation with russian. not just the, the end of the war, but as an accommodation with russia, which was from the very beginning, it's clear, mr. trump's intention and the problem with bull, and with trump himself, is that say our mission ford. now there are explanations. i have, i'm on a number of different, very reputable, and for j to talk interview programs. and my peers who are interviewed separately in these programs are military experts as you a people. and they will come to one conclusion that the 8 c, l a and the other intelligence agencies on stage had been feeding to the president and to everyone who has a right to this, this intelligence briefings that are made day by day. they've been repeating some
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essentially, let's say pickup, and they pass it along as guides. truth, without any attempt to, to try to find other sources as words, the top people in decision makers on this page had been fed, lies and propaganda for the last 3 years. by the intelligence agencies, which a, c, i, c, i, a, is the most prominent. however, there are problems with that explanation. and the problems that come up particularly last month or so when the main purveyors of lies and propaganda are mainstream media, like the financial times like to new york times have changed their tune and are giving day by day factual information about the ukranian losses about the russian games at about the trajectory of the war now leading
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directly to a russian victory. if these jeff ever picked up the new york times and throw away the trash they're receiving, let's see. i have, they would be saying very different things. mr. trump. mr. kellogg trade events, they all would be saying something different. instead we here because the war is terribly costing lives and it's a stalemate. it is not stealing. so let me just see, i would tell you it's a search, tell me the news that we get a budget in mainstream. i'm not talking about alternative media. i'm not talking about cheerleaders. progression. i'm talking about mainstream information. so you went to a lot of central to me, i've noticed that you have to, and of course we know talk a call soon within the white house in the past few days, we know his views and viewed boots in and as being continuously talking about how the narratives in the media are available to american citizens, left alone,
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the in the totality area and european union way. you where it's banned, talk about the nazis of ukraine, where archie is. i understand is banned where you are. the twitter is banned in the european union. don't allow w o where you are in brussels to receive information. perhaps even that like the new york times is now printing. and you wouldn't be allowed to read that a few months ago. hm. well, yes, and no. the situation in europe is that they're not quite as viable is suggesting. r t is under that. that's clear. but you can watch. i watch the russian news. so every day, uh for interactions and frankly speaking, i just, i know it was, there are a few people out there, no rush. and the point is that the russian news is especially better than any of the english language productions that archie was putting out the they, are they, all they're available on, on, on various difficulties,
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difficult for pressing on 50 contracts to access this kind of thing. obviously, and it's easier, given the 200 know, go to a concert to go to your local library public library. way you'll find that mysteriously some books being bull by the public library and some on i think one would give you. but on this idea are sanctions then let's go to this just quickly go to sanctions. trump claim that the sanctions are a way of leveraging zalinski and, and then uh and any kind of seem to be appearing to say no leveraging zelinski over to accept to any terms. but to get these um, detaining them and lift the minerals out of ukraine. i think we both know actually then oh, in ukraine anymore. they're in what rush we can see it is russia now. so what do you think it'll be wheat fields. the scope beside the treasury secretary was very
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ahead of today's munich summit, as we're talking about fake news. this whole story, which was originally goes back to uh to zalesky himself. this was 2 months ago, but he was proposing that to that ukraine's mineral wells be put on an offer to the stage or to europe as a guarantee for the payment of the equipment that is being delivered to, to you pray. now this was put up then it's now been revived, is never as if it was a new i think, newly discovered idea in the, in the trunk. what a white house. but there's nothing to it. it is simply a smoke and mirrors for, for the unsuspecting and 100 formed public. the discretion has been dealt with on russian talk chosen by jury or forward changes experts who have said
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that, oh yes, but he's the these rep or metals. then titanium not just the rivers, but nestles like genuine wisdom, which have great value today exist in ukraine, and they're spread out in many different places. so i don't quite agree with you, but the role in the russian sector, maybe 30 percent of us this lithium or to obtaining a are in to say 25 percent of the land mass of russia just now occupying their what the main point is that this is not a new content because just been discovered in the middle of the ocean. ukraine has been around for a long time. it was part of the said returning so beginning at one of the most of the world's leading, extracted mineral industries. they, they mind everything imaginable in the russian federation, and they never next spend much money developing the extraction of these
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the climate global warming thoughts. so field warming has become a convenient scape code for, you know, all of the planets, problems, you know, whatever, there is a water resource shortage. they don't blame, pour water management, bad governance or extravagant use of water instead, they blame climate. change the the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the author of does rush, i'm a future. and for the challenge of the russian book, and let's reprise progressive gilbert golf, tara professor, dr. o, we were talking about the minerals in the, the end of thought when you were saying,
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actually it's reading the over rag, this idea that it's all in the russian. now, lots of russia, parts of you, great. there are rarer minerals will trump, uh, get ahold of them. you're saying that there. uh, they haven't been really that developed since the available came down and before they went to hell because they're not worth developing. and there are many minerals, all kinds, they're 100 cards and all kinds spread over the whole globe. but there are very few concentrations of weather extraction, and they're extract is where it's commercially viable is not commercially viable to extract them and ukraine, the geology, such that it doesn't pay to do it if it pay to do it. so it's what have done images . so this is how there is a distraction from the real issue of do we supply adobe supply arms to ukraine? and if it's, if the issue is, is advanced. if they say that there's something to, to extract from ukraine,
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it's only twice an argument to false arguments to justify continuing to send arms to ukraine. and continuing to do to lie about the real state of the war, which is not a stalemate, but intending russian victory an impending ukrainian defeat. but then we should be its relation, but they all items uh, as far as we understand it from the united states, a deal going there and presumably zelinski and uh, those neo nazis uh that are part of the forces of you greenville think. now is the time to increase the amount of a symmetric tire or offensive as the last gossips. uh, as you imply of a losing uh of a losing battle. i mean should rusher and i'd be expecting more terror attacks. i know there have been a since the trump took office,
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it is always unforeseeable. but you engage in terrorism when you are losing on the battlefield in traditional warfare. so every effort by the ukraine to, to murder a generals, to murder heis, of the founders of the, of the militias in the john bosh, as they have done the last 2 months. and these are demonstrations, of their weakness, not of their strength. the why don't we have true rage, izzy. capitulation, the russians now are within close distance trip across which is the last major fortified center in the middle of done yes of us to region. and once that is taken, which is likely in the next several weeks, there will be a clean, dry, just now for river. in the it is in the,
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the green trips have very little possibility following back and the building defenses and protect themselves against the coming on smart. this is why the, the crumbling is on willing to a, to proceed to a him, to a cease fire. and it is our role, it has taken a long time to reach this momentum, but they're now enjoying and they want to see it through to the end. as the vast majority of russians want to see happen. yeah, what about then, the british, the british being closely involved in the proxy war, not just cuz u k. b and borrows johnson has been in dubai. actually this week of famous discovering the piece negotiation in that key, which would have argued be saved so many lives. and in fact, he helped gail an end. so many of those lives. does it have any wider repercussions if us a guess tom or of a britain does what?
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some of the sources are claiming that he would put british soldiers into the conflict, the tags at the boss of the pentagon. trump suppose it depends. you can say you can individually european countries put people in the just know 100 nato umbrella. any real repercussions of the mass slaughter of british soldiers in kiev for i know him parts of ukraine, presuming the russians is to go to the mall. or is that just a separate side side, but obviously terrible for the british. are these remarks they start from previous behavior by doors, drugs. they are bravado they're empty. i'm serious. russians are laughing. obviously, with them is the whole, the ground force with britain is $50000.00 and the russians have now more than a 1000000 met at arms, going close to a 1000000 and
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a half to speak about the 50000 pound force. if there was a present for the sale, send it some fire on to the to the front. it would be wiped out and then then you would have school would be left to protect britain a few. but if you policemen, there are bobby hatch. this is absurd, this is the, this is the situation back in the, in the, in the iraq war was and the lead lead up to that was, that's the, the bridge where the rules to, to the americans. unfortunately, the pro business has moved on and the british today in the personal johnson that now stammered, they are the attack dogs. they are, they have moved headed out in front of the united states. and they are exposing himself to the other hatred in contempt of the russians. um the uh, if there were to go to be an escalation person, has
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a bull's eye written all over the trunk and tell them to go. trump doesn't seem to have much time for the current british government. i should just say the british people think really like in so many other european countries that these leaders have very little political capital. we which to deploy huge numbers of troops to the east crying to yes, this is will empty talk. the europeans, 25 and 27 european leaders are conformist and cowards and they're shaking their bridge today as to what the americans will do. if america pulls out a supporting ukraine and says boys, yours, they know very well that they will drop football. they have no ability to provide equipment, provide manpower to provide the air covered. and the intelligence in real time intelligence that has been provided button states insurance,
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they are unable to assist ukraine in any significant way. absent american participation, there are 2 at of 27 national leaders who are ahead of the rest in facing reality. and they are not friends approaching. they are simply really so the, the meeting that took place last weekend between the uh, the fall, right. these years of your which includes of course 3, but then i. and so do you need from literally uh they have take cards from the positions of donald trump. and so there is a bit more just an interest as high levels within europe, i think is a matter of the future is your full crack. finally, since everyone is not running for cover in the stations of mr. trump started
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aggression plans for, for a revising trade relations with yet there's a lot of wonder sacrifice with a crack. what does that device they made and that people is made with the increasing hazing costs and inflation and so on? i should, i should say that is the only the usa of a future, the written as a collection of essays. it is, does russia have a future rest? you're obviously believes or the russian government does that come out of this terrible proxy war has come advantages because of the sanctions because of the new links to china and iran into india and so on. of course. uh, i have to just find the rebel, but really by asking you about how refreshing your thought is that trump ended the aerial bombardment of gaza and the actual kinetic of genocide, at least for a few weeks since he was came into office. and then refreshingly explains that it's
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about ethnic cleansing. how does united the entire world against the policies of say, they feel policies as regards palestine? israel, here in the u. a allied to saudi arabia read, you have to rush it to china to everyone is now on board for realizing that the zionist project is a lead full and despicable one. as i started to draw any conclusions about what the trunk is doing, well, it's planning. as i said, he's a master showman and he has his own understanding the problem because she issues shouldn't be prepared. that's one thing to say. yes, he did wonders in the ending they, they bumped the telephone, bottom chickasha, they my dog and i think i'm with young people are watching this of us. we have to say right. it might be just normal this uh, that was a standard he managed to achieve
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a cease fire and he was receiving bus. okay. is that he has put a from yes on the plans of mission, yahoo! to attack your wrong, the relation to get me wrong or not. sorry, i was personally helpful. that's barely said now rich from the the trumpet, ministration took a wrong. when i go sessions the say all you may have been, is me a ring and government and say no, we will never negotiate with the trump administration. as far as i understand that that's a runs position, because there's no point in believing donald trump. and because donald trump was the man who wrote back was who's crying about killing the general. so they money could be the man who successfully defeated isis. how give me as i believe in the country, i believe a say were background sparks change. i run the washington and this age around was
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very awful, not just the president about the may supreme leader was full, the face with a lead to a accommodations, and that stays or during the conference station that goes back to 1980, addressed an proceedings or something back to the president does ask in the a, b, or i'll give you the argument fun for that is the nature of the long term comprehension. part question that russia considered for the wrong a couple of weeks ago. we all expect you to start with. i think it's a component of national defense. it didn't. and the fact that it was asked was by up this understanding of both my stroke entry, what if there was about to be an accommodation of some sort of policy, not states. and then it was appropriate to do the best of that to have a military alliance between rough check. well, so there was the expectation,
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regrettably, mr. try and entered into this plan and it goes into like a book owner chancia proceeding to do to, to say about the wrong, the same as he has done in advance of negotiations with this approach. we impose a more draconian sanctions on you and then you will come and negotiate with us. and we will do. we'll do some positions for thanks back, which is obvious attempt, regrettably, it doesn't work regrettably for him. i'd say at the moment for the right page, the mean model try, we have to return to river time. we'll have direct and do is hopefully we won't be will by then or these the united states will be it will by then professor gilbert caro. thank you. now that's all that's it for the show will be back on monday to us cable is the i a and us state department of visual. how far trump is again being undermined from inside his own administration. and he'll then you can keep in touch, why will i social media or if it's not sense in your country or indeed it's not censored but you don't musk otherwise. what's going on?
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do i give you a level dot com to watch new and old episodes going underground? so you monday, the i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about visual intelligence at the point, obviously is to create a trust rather than fit the various jobs. i mean with artificial intelligence, we have so many of the payment the
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robot must protect this phone. existence is alexis, the best number to trump is not able to find a solution that will include become easily uninstalled for you to send you the found gary and leader was the ukraine is a looming dissolves to, for the confidence which is already solved himself. and this book says, pointed out by the us, find the president. so what i worry about is the threat from within the retreat of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of america. today also the idea of operation. another one in fairly cents versus what used to be the camps main street. we report from
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