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must skin any one is ex, who has the answers, or if you know anyone who can help, please reach out to us. here in dubai view a how this annual lo governments summit this off to the you a outright rejected transplant drastically cleansing goes up to the 15 months of vitamin harris and h o m genocide in palestine. trump, secretary of state is due in the middle east today. that's often that and you know, i'm in europe and leaders meeting in unit today. they've been watching trumps v p j . d. phones to match with ukrainian dictate to zalinski yesterday, given the rise of bricks and the dying panes of us. and by now my dog, if need be a good time to ask those be united states have a future. well, professor gilbert, dr. wrote that book and people a visiting scholar at columbia university's herman institute joins me now from the capital of brussels in belgium. progressive doctor, welcome back to the show. you know, before we even get into the nitty gritty, here i understand the new volumes by you are appearing in 2025 or a shed. you will do war diaries will referring to the proxy war in russia through
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ukraine. what did you make a red road munich? summit hague said that brussels in front of nato defense secretaries appearing to say, you know, of the 1000000 dead ukraine is 25 percent directory gone. so $7000000.00 plus displays bankruptcy of you. grain. no. nato membership, no use security guarantees. if anything, $500000000.00 a debt in minerals to the usa node stream bombings and nothing is regard to germany . and basically, that's it. the nato troops and not going to be in ukraine. and ukraine has to give up the land are the is, there's a lot of news, the sector, the, the journalist of the world, overwhelmed by the initiatives. not sure, always you call them journalists, professor dr. the those who are putting out a daily briefings that most of the public ridge call that just information color.
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but you will. the point is that mr. trump has a flurry of initiatives every day which capture the imagination of media both main stream media. and let's be honest about it, alter the, the question is, what is he actually intending to do? and the question arises because of the, the distance between the tree and his words and his actions of the the subsidy we've noted a long time ago. he is given to bluster to an exaggerated threats as a method of negotiation of softening up is talking partners and making them a metal metal to solving things as he would like. regrettably what is missing and all of this is a sense of reality. a sense of being well informed, disregard. i think one thing we should
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a direct attention to is the concrete continuity and ignorance in the our decision makers in washington and in your before mr. trump's appearance on the stage. and after his appearance on the stage, the, the real problem, sondra showing the statements that were made by 20 blinking in his last press conference, i should before departing office. he was reciting all the principals or the, the concepts that had guided him. and his, during this period in office as a result, stick to russia and to warn you cream, and everything was delusional. everything showed absolutely ability to absorb what he could find on a daily newspapers if he ever welcomed them. same is true of people around donald trump today, and trump himself,
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in his statement statements for this good. let's go to that provides the office. i want to get to that and, and name them. because i mean, as you imply, the journalists have to quit the swivel around what they've been saying for 2 years defending this uh, this obvious defeat, that was coming for nato powers because they seemed to try and make out that this wasn't a huge concession when, as you refer to ad blinking was saying no, everything crimea will positive was something to the nato idea. naming the personnel who is general kellogg, the coolant like defendant, who seemed to be saying only the other day that uh that uh there was so many of its functions enforcement. he was telling the new post owned by rupert murdoch, that sanctions enforcement on rusher only at 3 on a scale of one to 10. just tell us who kellogg is and how that goes to simple of
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what you're saying about the people around trump. giving him clearly, both giving them lies with which to somehow handle this situation. the problem is that people like color are high positions. they have is a general control and you already know they are. they are. yeah, she is the emissary. or that the donald trump chose he's, he's made very peculiar choices. and i mean you're opening days of who will be the power ministry. people are people who are as go astro built in. actually, the country for security of domestic and international for foreign policy is taking people who nominally have been on the other side of these issues from what he was saying during visual actual campaign. and he has the, the, the,
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the, the expectation to say, will follow his orders and do his bidding. and in that way, by taking people who are not just post the rest interpretation, he is going to be able to deal with the unit party and congress in a, in a constructive way and to have them approved. but here's what he is going to recommend to them. this is a, this is a tactic and may succeed. it may not. mr. kellog is part of this tactic. someone who is not a believer in uh, in uh, finding a, a, an accommodation with russian. not just the end of the war, but an accommodation with russia, which was from the very beginning, it's clear, mr. trump's intention and the problem with bull and with trump himself, is that they are mission formed. now there are explanations. i have, i'm on
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a number of different, very reputable, and a far j to, to interview programs. and my peers who are interviewed separately in these programs are military experts as you the people. and they will come to one conclusion that the 8 c, l a and the other intelligence agencies on stage had been feeding to the president to everyone who has a right to this, this intelligence briefings that are made day by day. they've been feeding some essentially what they pick up and they pass it along as guides. truth, without any attempt to, to try to find other sources as words, the top people decision makers on this page has been federalized on propaganda for the last 3 years by the intelligence agencies of which a, c, i, c, i, a is the most prominent. however, there are problems with bad explanation and the problems that come up particularly
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last month or so, when the main purveyors of lies and propaganda, our mainstream media like to financial times like the new york times have changed their tune and are giving day by day factual information about the ukranian losses about the russian games out of balance in the trajectory of the war now leading directly to a russian victory. if these just ever picked up the new york times and throw away the trash they're receiving, let's see. i have, they would be saying very different things. mister trump, mister kellogg. j d events, they all would be saying something different. instead we here touch the war is terribly cost in lives and it's a stalemate. it is not still. so let me just see, i would tell you is a search, tell me the news that we get
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a budget in mainstream. i'm not talking about alternative media. i'm not talking about cheerleaders for russian. i'm talking about mainstream information. so you went to a local sledge. i've noticed that you have to and of course we know talk a call soon within the white house in the past few days, we know his views interviewed booting and as being continuously talking about how the narratives in the media are available to american citizens left alone the in the totality area and european union way you where it's banned, talk about the nazis of ukraine, where archie is. i understand is banned where you are. the twitter is banned in the european union. don't allow w o where you are in brussels to receive information. perhaps even that, like the new york times is now printing. and you wouldn't be allowed to read that a few months ago. mm hm. well, yes and no. the situation in europe is that they're not quite as viable is
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suggesting. archie is under that. that's clear. but you can watch and i watch the russian news every day. uh for interactions. and frankly speaking, i just, i know it would. there are a few people out there, no rush, and the point is that the russian news is actually better than any of the english language productions that archie was putting out the they are they all are available on, on, on various difficulties, difficult for pressing on 50 contracts to access this kind of thing obviously. and it's easier, given the 200 know go to a concert to go to your local library public library way you'll find that mysteriously some books being bullied by the public library. and some on the i think one would, i'll give you, but on this idea are sanctions then let's go to this as quickly go to sanctions.
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trump claim that the sanctions are a way of leveraging zalinski and, and then in any kind of seem to be appearing to say no leveraging zelinski over to accept any terms but to get these um, detain human, lithium minerals out of ukraine. i think we both know, actually the, i know in ukraine anymore, there in what russia can see it is russia now. so what do you think it'll be wheat fields? scope beside the treasury secretary, was there a head of today's munich summit, as we're talking about fake news. this whole story, which was originally with goes back to uh to the last week. so this was 2 months ago, but she was proposing that to that to ukraine's mineral welf. be put on an offer to the stage or to europe as a guarantee for the payment of all the equipment that is being delivered to,
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to you pray. now this was put up then it's now been revived as of never as if it was a new newly discovered idea in the, in the trunk white house. but there's nothing to it. it is simply a smoke and mirrors for, for the unsuspecting, a 100 formed public. the discretion has been dealt with all russian talk shows in missouri, a forward changes experts who have said that, oh yes, but he's the, these rep or metals that's like jamie and not just the rivers, but metals like genuine vivian, which have great value today. they just in ukraine and they're spread out in many different places. so i don't quite agree with you, but the role in the russian sector, maybe 30 percent of us dyslexia more to attain you are in the say 25 percent of the land master russian. just now occupying there. what the main point
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is that this is not a new confidence has just been discovered in the middle of the ocean. ukraine has been around for a long time. it was part of the said returning. so beginning at one of the most of the world's leading extract just mineral industries. they, they mind everything imaginable in the russian federation. and they never meant spend much money developing the extraction of these minerals in ukraine for good, really? well, we'll get back cause this abide to remember to leave. i will get back to this invited to because a go with a to our i'll stop you. the more from the author of does the united states have a future after this? right. the, [000:00:00;00]
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the, the climate global warming thoughts of field warming has become a convenient scape code for, you know, all of the planets, problems, you know, whatever. there is a water resource shortage, they don't blame for water management, bad governance or extravagant use of water instead they blame climate. change the the welcome back to going underground, and i'm still here with the older of does rush, i'm a future and for the challenge of the russian book, and let's reprise progressive gilbert golf, tara professor, dr. o, we were talking about the minerals in the,
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the end of thought one you were saying actually it's reading the over rag. this idea that it's all in the russian. now, lots of russia pods of you. great. there are rarer minerals will trump, uh, get ahold of them. you're saying that there uh, they haven't been really that developed since the available came down and before to your where to go because they're not worth developing. there are many minerals a whole times. they're a 100 cards and all kinds spread over the whole group. but there are very few concentrations of whether extraction and then extract is where it's commercially viable, is not commercially viable to extract from the ukraine, the geology, such that it doesn't pay to do it. if it pay to do it, so it's what have done images. so this is how do it is a distraction from the real issue of do we supply adobe supply arms to ukraine?
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and if it's, if the issue is, is advanced. if they say that there's something to, to extract from ukraine, it's only twice an argument to false arguments to justify continuing to send arms to ukraine. and continuing to do to lie about the real state of the war, which is not a stalemate, but intending russian victories and attending ukrainian defeat. but then we should be actually, but they all items, uh, as far as we understand it from the united states, still going there. and presumably, the lensky and uh, those neo nazis, uh that are part of the forces of ukraine will think. now is the time to increase the amount of a symmetric tire or offensive as the last goest. as you imply of a losing a of a losing battle. i mean she'd rush and i'd be expecting more terror attacks. i know there have been a since total trump took office,
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it is always unforeseeable. but you engage in terrorism when you are losing on the battlefield in traditional warfare. so every effort by the ukraine to, to murder a generals, to murder heis, of the founders of the, of the militias in the john boss as they have done the last 2 months. um, these are demonstrations of their weakness, not of their strength. the why don't we have to raise izzy capitulation. the russians now are within close distance trip across which is the last major fortified center in the middle of done yes of us to region. and once that is taken, which is likely in the next several weeks, there will be
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a clean drive just in the upper river. in the it is in the, the ukraine troops have very little possibility of following back building defenses and protect themselves against coming on smart. this is why the, the crumbling is on willing to a, to proceed to a, him, to a cease fire. and it is our role, it is taking a long time to reach this momentum, but they're now enjoying and they want to see it through to the end. as the vast majority of russians want to see happen. yeah. what about then the british, the british being closely involved in the proxy war, not just cuz u k b m, or as junction is being to do by actually this week, fame is discovering the piece negotiation in that key, which would have argued be saved so many lives in effect, he helped gail an end. so many of those lives. does it have any wider repercussions
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if us a guest um or of a britain does what? some of the sources are claiming that he would put british soldiers into the conflict, the tags at the boss of the pentagon. trump supposedly depends. you can say you can individually european countries put people in the just know 100 nato umbrella. any real repercussions of the mass slaughter of british soldiers in kiev, for iowa in bots of ukraine, presuming the russians is to go to the mall, or is that just the separate side side, but obviously terrible for the british of these remarks. they start from previous behavior, doors, drugs. they are bravado, they're empty. i'm serious. the russians are laughing up to sleep with them is the whole ground force of britain is $50000.00 in the russians have
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now um, more than a 1000000 met at arms, going close to a 1000000 and a half to speak about the 50000 pound force that there was a print book with a cell centered, some tire on to the to the front. it would be wiped out and then then you would have the school would be left to protect good ship, a few policemen. there bobby hatch. this is absurd. this is, this is the situation back in the, in the, in the iraq war was and the lead lead up to that was that um the, the bridge where the goes to to the americans. unfortunately, the pro business has moved on and that the british today and the personal johnson that now stammered, they are the attack dogs. they are, they have moved headed out in front of the united states. and they are exposing himself to the other hatred and contempt of the russians. um, the,
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if there were to go to be an escalation, burton has a bullseye written all over. the trump could tell them to go, trump doesn't seem to have much time for the current british government. i should just say the british people thankfully like in so many other european countries, these leaders have very little political capital. we which to deploy huge numbers of troops to the east crying to yes, this is will empty talk. the europeans, 25 and 27 european leaders are conformist and cowards and they're shaking their bridge today as to what the americans will do. if america pulls out a supporting ukraine and says, boys, george, they know very well that they will drop football. they have no ability to provide equipment, provide manpower to provide the air covered. and the intelligence in
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real time intelligence that has been provided button stage. in short, they are unable to assist ukraine in any significant way. absent american participation, there are 2 at of 27 national leaders who are ahead of the rest in facing reality. and they are not friends approaching. they are simply really so the, the meeting that took place last weekend between the of this all right, these years of your which includes the course 3, but then i'm and so do you need from literally uh they have take cards from the positions of donald trump and so there is a bit more just an inch as high levels within europe, i think as a matter of the future, it's airport crack. finally,
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since everyone was not running for cover in the stations of mr. trump started aggression plans for, for a revising trade relations with yet there's a lot of wonder sacrifice the crack. what does that device they made and that people is made with the increasing hazing costs sign, inflation and so on. i should, i should say, that is on the, the usa of a future, the written as a collection of essays. it, it does rush, i have a future rest, you're obviously believes or the russian government does that come out of this terrible proxy war has come advantages because of the sanctions because of the new links to china and iran into india and so on. of course uh i have to just find the rebel, but really by asking you about how refreshing your thought is that trump ended the aerial bombardment of gaza and the actual kinetic of genocide, at least for
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a few weeks since he was came into office. and then refreshingly explains that it's about as a cleansing and is united the entire world against the policies of say, they feel policies as regards palestine. israel, here in the u. a, i lied to saudi arabia. read, you have to rush it to china to everyone. is now on board for realizing that the zionist project is a lead, full and despicable one. are starting to draw any conclusions about what the trunk is doing. well, it's planning. as i said, he's a master showman and he has his own understanding the problem because she issues shouldn't be prepared as one thing to say. yes, he did wonders in not ending to be the very bottom bottom chickasha, my god. and i think i'm with now people are watching this of interest. we have to say, right. it might be just normal this. uh, that was
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a standard he managed to or to achieve a cease fire. and he was receiving muscle to is that he has put a from the plans of natural gas to attack you wrong, the relation to the wrong or not, sorry. oh, i was personally helpful. that's barely said now to reach from the the trumpet. ministration took a wrong when i go sessions the say all you may have been is me a ring and government that say no, we will never negotiate with the trump administration. as far as i understand that that's a runs position because there's no point in believing donald trump. and because donald trump was the man who wrote back was who's crying about killing the general . so they money could be the man who successfully defeated isis. how give me, as i believe in the country, i believe i said we're back round sparks change. i run the washington and the stage
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around was right. well for not just the president spoke to the they supreme leader was full. the face will be to a accommodation, it's nice place, according to the conference station that goes back to 1980, addressed an proceedings or something back to the president does ask him to be or i'll give you the argument fun for that is the nature of the long term, comprehensive quote, question that russia continued for the wrong a couple of weeks ago. we all expect you to start with that. then it's a component of national defense. you didn't. and the fact that it was asked was by up this understanding of both my strong enter, well, let's say it was about to be an accommodation of some sort of policy, not states. and then it was appropriate to do the best of that to have a military alliance between rough trip. so there was the expectation,
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regrettably, mister trying ventured into this plan and it goes, oh, well, i got the phone and i'm trying show, proceeding to do to what would you say about the wrong? the same as he has done in advance of negotiations with this approach. we impose a more draconian sanctions on you and then you will come and they go share with us and we will, they will do from positions to right. but this is obvious attempt. regrettably, it doesn't work regrettably for him. i say at the moment for the right page, do you mean most of the time to river time we'll have to write and do is hopefully we won't be will by then or these the united states won't be, it will by then professor, you'll wind up tomorrow thank you. yeah, my pleasure. that's it for this year. i will be back on monday to us cable is the i a and us state department of visual how far trump is again being under mine from inside his own administration. and he'll then you can keep in touch my role as
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social media or if it's not sense in your country or need adult sense of but you don't musk otherwise. what's going on? because you're able to come to watch new and old episodes going on the ground. see monday, the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deal. so what should be living on that we have very close propaganda. you know a price here in your i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answers
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will be. hello, my name is joe, i'm a traditional catholic, father of 6 children. i'm from dallas, texas originally. all right, my girls. what are you doing? by that time, many things had changed since cove it in america. and you talked about the eligibility propaganda and all that sort of thing. we think that we would like to move and live somewhere else to raise our children. 2023. my wife and i and my 6 children, we moved to restaurant really actually a teen all these movies of russia being this dark, very place and crash and everybody starving. these are fish checked. me and joking . oh, that's called the current and the russians loved people. of what it's like living in russia with a big family, the good and the bad. the pros and cons expectations. meeting reality to
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the i can't do that. i see the the, the, them to trump is not able to find a solution that's more could become easily off on ultimately sunflower, the engineer that hung gary and later warns that ukraine is looming disaster for the continental, which has already shot itself in the foot as the us vice president, point of that. what i worry about is the threats from within the retreats of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of america. tomas frees 3 hostages from gaza in the 6th 1st are a swaps as the start of the seas fire deal in return. israel has the guns released

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