on the, the, i really believe that time has come on, forces of yours must be created. washington announces that nato membership is not mandatory for t, as in roger zalinski scrambles to hold on to western support st. maybe your reference doesn't need the us. a mosse freeze 3 hostages from gaza in the 6th prisoners swap since the start of this entire deal in return. israel has the guns released the palestinian prisoners for $359.00 of them to be returned to day. and more details emerge about us a id and it's exploits. as the department is accused of supporting terrorist on the african continent, the

live in the russian capital, this is our t international. i'm rachel ruble. donald trump's direct talks with vladimir putting on that ukraine have stirred up a hive of european bureaucrats, hawkish officials, claim washington is going to soft on moscow. and european leaders are avidly following the back and forth over ukraine during the munich security conference. now. and it's the 2nd day, the fast approaching prospect of peace comes amid urgent assurances from bloodwork . zalinski is saying, europe must take a stand against the us and pushed its own interest. moscow will pull us apart if we, as europeans, don't trust each other. a few days ago, president trump told being about he's going to the station was put in not the ones

the to mention that the american needs you are at the table put in was one on one thoughts with america. just like before the war. when they met in switzerland and it looked like to call them up the walt snags, which and we'll try to get the u. s. president. standing on the red square on main, on may 9th this year. not as a respected later, but as a pro, in his own performance, as you did not click the music landscape form ukraine, he found it incredibly based. uh, this comes off to a few days of where we've been hearing these bull michelle announcements coming out from the new white house administration. and donald trump, 1st of all that he spoke to vladimir putin. nobody he was looking to have told between russia and the us with ukraine, of course being invited to that, but possibly as a bit of a spare part. and then we had the us vice president j

d phones here in munich out the security council laying into your room for it to start as in europe. we know he's also incredibly critical of you, craig, but he basically said you replace really use a coming back from its fundamental values of things like freedom of speech. and he said that the us was that it's defending that. we also know that sometimes ski and von submit on the sidelines become friends. think clearly that is a meeting that didn't go the way. so let's be wanted because you heard that incredibly critical now trying to pay, but towards you were trying to price would be say that russia is going to use the us as a pop it. but we're going to have a situation where essentially the world is going to be called up again between the us and russia. i mean, these are very, very big. a dispute with us clayton's by blow to me is a lead. stay for that would be great,

but essentially saying now that anyone who speaks to russia is that freight and is which really you applauded with lensky. also saying that you need that. oh no army . maybe even pivoting them away from nato. however, the gym and sean slough all up shod schultz has or just did not do or of has to become self sufficient united by common strands, ukrainian, and european. if not to us, then we'll stop them. i really, i really believe the time has come. the forces of your must be created to clean though has nearly 1000000 soldiers on the weapons. if you count altogether that are relevant for the better future that they will, eclipse park would be better, but they are really eclipse by a bus them, munitions and all the, all the kind. and because of this,

sits absolutely clear that the post slow you cream would have a very strong army. but what we're seeing now essentially is the scrambling mass to the fact that we know the us is opened up those communications to russia. one things and this conflicted ukraine. it was one of the big promises of donald trump during his campaign trail. and he is really trying to push ahead with that. speaking very clearly about how much he respects present preaching. how he's got, loves the russian. people say it's been really, really interesting, and also we now know that nature's ho, oh, the hopes of ukraine to be part of plato also pretty much dash from saying, well, you know, we don't think you create necessarily needs to be nature. that's not an issue. so we have criticism now or from the, you know, also includes uh, one guy who is hoping to be germany's next charles. so this is the head of this c,

d, u, in germany, from the last nato summit. there is an agreement with a nato that ukraine gets the perspective of becoming a member in this to be changed. nato has to do it jointly. and i don't agree with anybody who is putting natal men membership of the table before the negotiations with russia has begun. so there is a statue. there is it, there isn't agreements. there is something middle is already decided and to change, it might be an option. but this is not something which one nato member alone has to decide on. well, this has always been a bit of a back and forth in your best. somebody does say yes, they support ukraine's. our mission is to be part of nato. the lead to saying, well, you know, not so much, we don't think it's that important to know noted souls interesting. e,

now we've obviously have changes in data leadership under the form of nato boss. uh, there was always a, yes, ukraine has this pulse towards nato. now we're hearing from mark hood to is the former prime minister of the netherlands, who's now the head of natal. well, actually ukraine becoming part of nato was never part of the security guarantees. no a p. steel, very interesting words from him, has to be enjoying a lasting piece. there's absolute americans are your opinions. you're absolutely an agreement to listen to my, your friends, i would say get into the bait. stop by complaining that your might. yes or no. be at the table, but by coming up as concrete proposals, ideas that are in public spending, make sure that the training in the bathroom suppliers come to you, but also come up with concrete ideas about for example, security guarantees. good look like hallmark could at the community knows which side he's right is but it because he knows that the us,

the main least funds nato. and clearly he wants to make sure that trump knows he's kind of on his side when it comes to this telling you apparently this storm warnings you might be left of the tulips. but that doesn't matter because the big guys are in the room. and that is the usa and russia when it comes to negotiating a peace deal for the war in ukraine. russia studies professor gilbert, dr. i've says there's no way europe can keep funding kids without us support. that's in the latest episode of going underground airing at, throughout the day here on our tea. for now, here's a quick taste of the conversation. it is full empty talk to the europeans. $25.00 of the $27.00 european leaders are conformist and cowards, and they're shaking their books today as to what the americans will do. if america pulls out a supporting ukraine and says boys, yours,

they know very well that they will drop football. they have no ability to provide equipment, provide manpower to provide the air covered and the intelligence in real time intelligence that has been provided button states insurance, they are unable to assist ukraine in any significant way. absent american participation, there are 2 out of 27 nash leaders who are ahead of the rush in facing reality. and they are not friends approaching. they are simply really, i think, is a matter of the future is your full crack. finally, since everyone is now running for cover in the stations of mr. trump started aggression plans for revising trade relations with yeah, there's

a lot of wonder sacrifice really crack the also in munich, the indian foreign minister raised questions about how western states can preach democracy at home, but have discouraged it in the global south that was at the time and i have to say this in all honesty, bad, west treated democracy as a western kind of push take on was busy, encouraging non democratic forces in the global top is still with us. i've been in many, many cases. i can find somebody recent ones, where actually every thing that you say you value at home, you don't practice abroad. so i do think the rest of the global salt view. you know, the, the successors and the shortcomings, and the, the sponsors of other countries. they've been loyal to us them so, so which ones of them they really do is cross live now to reggie dog or

a former indian ambassador and permanent representative to the united nations agencies based in rome and best we can have you on the program with us again, do you believe the west promotion of democracy is in fact selective, and does that undermine genuine democratic movements in the global south? that's a big question. your was, uh, let me 1st start by saying that democracy is just a label. this is just a vip that rest us use, especially after world war 2, to beat countries and pre shape countries that are at the top. like, like, let's go back and look to bit on the history hopkins. this claim to be democratic and ending for when catholic church had excommunicated the orthodox church for 900 years plus orthodox judge fees. go into these

2 it up into the english. you. so can you claim to be a don't credit part of the was issue of mark, i'm talking terms with another part of the show that the 2nd how can you hold the country, democratic or regions democratic when it does not allow any other religion to push foot for example, the strategy has not allowed any other religion to come up, invest europe. in contrast, look at the pressure, the islamic regions in russia, which i believe agreement or look at your new india is one of the countries in the was that despite being in the majority country for hundreds of thousands of years, it allowed and encourage other religions to come up and then yes, trustworthy. and then just to be established in india and i'm talking about this,

then i'm talking about janice, i'm i'm talking of sexism. i mean we're talking about 1st of all, india has the 2nd largest population of lives in the world today. so hawkins, which see the country which relieves india believes in wine to go to point in discussions in encouraging freedom of expression. not just small, but for you know, from the rich to a born but not mine. i was born when depot is precious. when my bought it was a priest, mr. now that mr. dr. the, the indian foreign minister called out a specific example of this hypocrisy that he talked about. i want to play a clip of mr. dice on car let's, let's take a listen to that. if i were to look, for example, at how much your opens western us reach out to all players in those societies,

it might say if i were to look at what do western and box it is doing, india is my on both of those do the fraction of thought you would all be up in arms . so i think that all double spend a this investor, deborah, i'm wondering if you have a specific examples yourself of this western have power say that you've encountered during your career when suddenly from mike it, it will show, but only very recently, canada declared indiana miss commerce site and canada, the method of in canada, but so no longer only because he was defending and does interest. so he was quite craig, mr. jason was quite right and say that if in the method of defense and does address, in contrast to the messages was not only promoting schism within the

society of just an india. but even in countries like bound to dish, very democratic government was a withdrawal because of intense from some district actors. so, naturally, double standards either play one is the standard for the restaurant country. so that is for the rest of the world, including the use in your head the so but that each, this for the realization must come to that. this is not the law to us, but the standard it used to apply if you simply are no longer possible to be applied. because wrist isn't deficient this just in deep trouble as a society because it has to them good. it says, okay, the multiculturalism that this boosted about is did. so there is no more discussion, isn't that as one of the phone number please? i don't see any part of. okay, we're gonna live with that rajiv dog or

a former indian investor and permanent representative united to the united nations agencies based in rome that to have you on with us. a pleasure. thank you. at least 4 police officers had been wounded in a suspected. you hottest attack in malia that targeted the convoys of molly's minister of higher education on thursday. a group affiliated with al qaeda is reported to be responsible for the assault. that's a med new accusations. launch that usa id for supporting terrorist activities in africa. turns out there's a, there's a get out of to get out of sponsoring terrorism free card at usaid, which is that usaid cannot directly provide funding to terrace groups. but their contractors are not required under the grant agreement to go through those, you know, oh, fax style, those counter terrorism financing. if the bank did it, you would go directly to jail. do not pass, go, you know,

do not have liberty again for the next 20 years of your life. but if usa does it, it's completely legal right now. and so this is how you have usaid giving, you know, they just last week a $122000000.00 to isis, and we found, you know, they, they fund all the terrace groups in pakistan. they fund the, you know, the terrace groups in the, in this a how, in africa in west africa. this is the case for both of them. it is rank one of the data is to hardy groups in the world. many people of cards who wondering how does this group get access to a limited amount of weapons forms, but sol, vehicles and communication means nigeria itself has hold on the lots of places to investigate the funding and training we spoke a lot on taylor was the chief of defend stuff, the question how the search is, how to sustain themselves. for 15 years eve and pointed to international conspiracy . in providing the 2 of us with funds,

most of the surrendered vocal. her all members came with hard currency. where did they get it? how are they funded? how did they get the training? how did they get the equipment? those are the questions. i think everybody should ask themselves. maybe it is an international conspiracy. tends all to the united states agency for international development is cash was used to fund tear. we're still going to is ations, including local, have them. and you is called with ms. scott to perry as also reveals the dockside to to you is provided for an 8 particularly involving new se i team. how about abdullah been lot who get some of that money? is that name? ring a bell to anybody in the room? because your money of your money, $697000000.00 annually plus the shipments of cash funds. metropolis. isis. i'll kind of bulk over on ices corps on carriers training camps. that's what it's funding your funding terrorism is coming through usa id. think of somebody who,

over the past years has received billions in humanitarian assistance from somalia, also happens to one of the countries with the highest risk of terrorism. the gold could it be that america has been providing financial support to small and to with since the beginning? because the mando along with the east lumber. ted was states including a gun is done with this tiny bunch him and we these 2 guys that we have is how much have been amongst the top inefficient is of you is a test last year it's reported a request for $1600000000.00 in aid and even in december of $2.00 to $24.00, by the end of the ministration ops on the way off the tool. it's in san additional $10.00 to $9000000.00. and to think that for years, each and every us of ministrations agenda in somalia has been sent it around counter terrorism. the u. s. department of state, the us military usa i. d and the other interagency colleagues continue to fight

against terrorism threats in somalia. we will continue to work closely with the somali government to support somali is revival as a secure, thriving, peaceful, and democratic nation. in fact, it's probably no exaggeration to such as that many of the darkest pages in the history off and who is foreign policy can betrays back to counterterrorism programs because even did from to was in africa have cyber officers since the end is began. it's so cold when tara 2024, and know the african union contractors and a sense of included over $3400.00 attacks on the continent which resulted in over $15900.00 states and its african union submission of a political, the fees, peace, and security, as even said, africa is facing a dining table. and the findings contradict claims by the parents of things is preventing terrorism on the continent and promote to security and stability. now,

the revelation of activity is linked to the u. s. a. i d has raise eyebrows, but this one in particular might just answer the question of why, of the big case of called to, to is in africa tragically remains the 8 percent of global 2 is and maybe indeed the one fighting it are the ones funding it all right, let's cross live to investigative journalist, david hyundai and david's in light of these fresh allegations against usa i d. connected with supporting terrorist activities in africa. what motiv would the us government have in spending taxpayers money in this way as well? um, as we is almost every other thing in this conversation, it comes down to money. um i forget has been since we findings and i'll make role to play in the car in global economy as it exist. and that role is to be consuming

that supplies cheap industrial imports and it comes into that as populated by. he was a would done drawers of water. basically it's supposed to be a low production. so low energy, low production zone where it's basically just for extraction of natural resources and cheap labor. now the comic developments of africa specifically are popular huge population centers like nigeria provides a challenge to this paradigm. because once there's maybe 15 or 20 years of, of consecutive design, development in any parts of africa are really what is a large population. then like any of that human sense that anywhere in the world, you will start to see those countries moving up the value chain. now if you recall in 2009, which was where the terrorism and major affairs do you 1st heard of the work for us, we came in seeing a very significant events happening, which i think has fallen into their memory. oh. and that events was that the den

presidents omar yard do or reject to the requests from the us government 2 sites, the headquarters of the us africa combined in nigeria, in other words, and you have rejected the citing of the us. maybe it's every based on it's sorry you citing, you know, concerns about silver and like you responsible governments, you do ceaselessly to the president was dead. and within a year you started having things we have never seen before. suicide bombings, plumbing will be un building a plumbing of churches within 3 years by, by 2015. these people we have never heard of, you know, a few months. probably that certainly started holding cherry tree that actually started hoisting flags and making videos pouncing the night generated. sure. and they, they actually have 3 local government areas. album, ledger 774 and it was like, what is going on? how is it possible that a group this rag tag group of like, you know, flip flops away militants, all of a sudden have all this equipment interest and all these training and all of these

confidence to be able to take on it military. we close to half a 1000000 slicing. man. what does that come from? yeah, it's suspicious indeed. david of with the trump administration, taking a firm stands against us. say id. what role do you think the agency will play in this a hell and, and what bennett bennett's role or over the recent years? oh well, what, what i'm hoping, what happens to us. the idea is that it will completely disappear off the face of the planet. but, but obviously that's, that's me being very optimistic. what i think will happen more likely is that it's going to be collapsed into the state department, which will not fix the problem from an african point of view. but at the very least, we'll reduce the influence that us the id has. because part of the reason why usa idea has been so notorious over the years, is that like every other parts of the us foreign policy establishment, it's basically not subject to any real oversight. so, it's not subject to congressional oversights,

because it was created by an act of congress. and it's all, you know, unlike the c i a, which on paper needs admission from us president to carry out the operations. us the us. i did those notes. mm hm. so it's essentially been the place where the foreign policy establishment pushes all of that really touchy was to because it's pretty much a law unto itself, does whatever it wants, which is why in west africa the, you know, when it comes to issues like funding of tears i, i, i raise an issue some, some weeks ago that also president trump, or did a freeze on all us see, i do statements, us the id, made your same doctors to half a $1000000.00 in the, you know, directly flouncing these or the day after. and the recipients remarked as on, disclose the miscellaneous, so $500000.00 that's less that's, that's close to delia may or wherever is that money going? and then when you add that to the context that this is the conn's name with the welds or as well, we missed the comments. so how on earth is it possible that you are having all

these non state actors, all these 2 groups, all these ripples constantly coming out so, but would work to fight for what exactly and who is behind that? where's? where's the, where's the, the, the, the, the pipeline financing them weighs the logistical capacity coming. okay. it certainly raised a lot more. um, interesting questions there. uh, investigative journalist david hyundai and david, thank you. thank you for having the right turning now to the middle east, where the 6th prisoner swap is happening right now as part of the israel, hamas, and cease fire deal. 3 hostages had been handed over by the militant group from gaza and exchange. israel has begun to release the palestinian prisoners with $369.00 set to be freed. today, our middle east bureau chief maria, from ocean that has more details. oh, in ramallah, where frames palestinian prisoners housing arriving from israeli jails, which are not all of them. the thing is that israel was set to release the $369.00

prisoners on 2nd day, $111.00 gas that was detained during the war, plus $12000000.00 things. so in life terms and exchange for each is really positive, you know, we saw sense back to the gather street, the pull to the broad why agents just one reason or it was released to be able to find a verse of them and just 10 here to ramallah to the feeling of freedom is indescribable . this is the most beautiful moment embracing my brothers, my mother and my family on this day with a joy remains incomplete without my brother and god willing, we will be re united very soon. we left behind hundreds of our imprisoned brothers . the prisons are harsh, filled with disease filled with suffering. everyone is waiting for their moment of freedom and god willing, just as we gained it, they will to spend 23 years in prison. the treatment wasn't that great, not really. honestly, the conditions of the prisoners are miserable. it's not good. but with this joy,

everything else fades away, god willing, i will finally return home. as far as any warnings against mass gatherings, people have been waiting to welcome them. now, ex prisoners, family, friends, of course, but also ordinary citizens. here the prisoner exchange is seen as most i'm owing to joy and a reminder of last more than 48000 people have been killed. same 15 months old. the guys are more, according to this trip to officials, security forces out here on the ground to provide security. i'm using this is also stand by to check on the newly released mondays to be out of jail today i submit button. once i close a 201, but i'm going to figure out some so as a future palestinian president and turned to consent to teen life terms for office tracing. deb, it's actually this really is he wants to return home to die is ro considers he mass securities rad, onto the paints in him and broad. the valley students,

prisoners risk free the hours off to her mouth where these 3 is really hostages. males civilians, to with dual, so wasn't shape. one russian, one american social, tucson of 29 must go head press hard for his release for his a master the to israel. welcome such as return on sunday, through font of was kidnapped with his mother and grandmother. and good friends, all 3 were freed in november 2023 in was a mass called gifts to mister fulton found his father was killed in october 7 during her master's attacks on his really southern communities. here was recently released by palestinians wanting to call the group also based and guys of held him showed a snapshot on a guy's a beach likely signaling to ross so that he was treated well also frames. so i gave the can hand $36.00 that is really american father of free. his youngest daughter was born while he was in 5th period to in the gather,

springs. and both us administration's law made for his release b r. horn. the 3rd one released 46 years old was taken with his brother, who's still remains inconsiderate to engage and he's not going to be released anytime soon for what we know. as in previous rounds him off and p i g turns they tend over into performance. but they saw him, they went further. hostages were driven out in a car, hiding jack from a jewish board to keep boots on october 7th, 2023. they were then handed certificates of release from us even gifted gold, jewelry to sagas, influence tools, or more in full months after he was taking hostage back in $22373.00 hostages still now remain and continue to gaza. please hold 2 of them. i believe to be alive, folks on the next phase, either a 2nd stage or an extension or suppose to stop the whole ready, but they did not report suggests negotiations may find.