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to gather strings on both your assets, ministrations law made for his release. b, r horn. this the one least 46 years old was taken with his raw there who's still remains inconsistency in dollars. if he's not going to be released anytime soon, for what we know. as in previous rounds him off and p i j turns the hand over into performance with a saw and they went further. hostages were driven out in a car, hiding jack from a jewish mode of cable channels over 72023. they were then handed certificates of release from us even gifted gold, jewelry to sagas, infant daughter, more and 4 months after he was taking hostage back in $22373.00 hostages still now remain inconsiderate to god. they please hold 2 of them. i believe to be alive, folks on the next phase, either a 2nd stage or an extension, or suppose to stop the whole ready, but they did not report suggests negotiations may finally begin next week,
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which is a significant delay. while we have to wait and see how it plays out to stay with us up next, the latest episode of going on around right here on our team international by the the i'm afternoon or 10, so you're welcome back to going undergrad, real cussing around the world from you a and a week that's always on mux x sensor, our journalism such as the power of the test level, the god. because it, the time of this show x is refused to explain why we used to have free speech on x,
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even though the genocide jose regime in washington. you cannot follow us on my personal account at option return. see, you don't look, censorship came just weeks after we treated our interview with president trump's new deputy assistant of tweeting about palestinian energy resources in garza and american. visited no m chomsky outlining israel's repeated. violation of peace agreements are shows as to level and rumble. were appealing to musk and anyone that x who has ounces or if you know anyone who can help, please reach out to us here in due by the you a how this annual world government summit this off to the you a outright rejected trump plan drastically cleansing garza, after the 15 months of vitamin harris and h o m genocide in palestine from secretary of state is due in the middle east today . that's often that and you know, i mean, your opinion leaders meeting in unit today have been watching trumps v p j d. events to match with ukrainian dictate to zalinski yesterday, given the rise of bricks and the dying panes of us. i'm by now my dog, if need be
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a good time to ask, does the united states have a future? well, professor gilbert, dr. wrote that book and people a visiting scholar at columbia university's herman institute joins me now from the capital of brussels in belgium. the doctor, welcome back to the show. you know, before we even get into the nitty gritty, here i understand the new volumes by you are appearing in 2025 or a shed. you will do war diaries more referring to the proxy war in russia through ukraine. what did you make a red road munich? summit hague said that brussels in front of nato defense secretaries appearing to say, you know, of the 1000000 dead ukrainians. 25 percent directory gone. $7000000.00 plus displays bankruptcy of ukraine. no. nato membership, no use security guarantees. if anything, $500000000.00 a debt in minerals to the usa node stream bombings and nothing is regards to germany. and basically,
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that's it. the nato troops and not going to be in ukraine. and ukraine has to give up the land is there's a lot of news. in fact, there, the, the journalist of the world are overwhelmed by the initiatives. not always call them journalists, professor, dr. so, so, so the, the, those who are putting out the daily briefings that most of the public ridge call that just information color while you will. the point is that mr. trump has a flurry of initiatives every day which capture the imagination of media, both mainstream media as must be honest about it. oh, sure to be. the question is, what is he actually intending to do? and the question arises because of the distance between the train, his words and his actions, the, the subsidy we've noted
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a long time ago. he is given to bluster to an exaggerated threats as a method of negotiation of softening up is talking partners and making them a metal metal to solving things as he would like. regrettably what is missing and all of this is a sense of reality. a sense of being well informed, disregard. i think one thing we should a direct attention to is the concrete continuity and ignorance in the our decision makers in washington and in your before mr. trump's appearance on the stage. after his appearance on the stage, the, the real style machine and statements that were made by 20 blinking in his last press conference just before departing office. he was very citing all the principals or the, the concepts that had guided him in his,
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during this period. and office has worked with respect to russia and the war and ukraine and everything was delusional. everything showed absolutely ability to absorb what he could sign into the daily newspapers if you ever welcomed them. same is true of people around donald trump today. and trump himself, in his statement statements for this good, let's go to that provides the office. i want to get to that and, and name them. because i mean, as you imply, the journalists have to quickly swivel around what they've been saying for 2 years defending this. uh, this obvious defeat that was coming for nato power is because they seem to try and make out that this wasn't a huge concession when, as you refer to ad blinking was saying no, everything crimea will positive was something to the nato idea. naming the
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personnel who is general kellogg, the coolant like defendant, who seemed to be saying only the other day that uh that uh there was somebody the of its sanctions enforcement. he was telling the new york post shown by reuben moodle, that sanctions enforcement on rusher only a 3 on a scale of one to 10. just tell us who kellogg is and how that goes to support what you're saying about the people around trump. giving him clearly, both giving him lies with which to somehow handle this situation. the problem is that people like color are high positions. they have is a general control and you know they are, they are. yeah, she is the emissary. other to the donald trump chose. he's, he's made very peculiar choices and then you're opening days of who will be the
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power ministry. people are people who are as go, astro built in. actually the country for security and domestic and international for foreign policy is taken. people who nominally have been on the other side of these issues from what he was saying during visual actual campaign. and he has the, the, the, the, the expectation to say will follow his orders and do his bidding. and in that way, by taking people who are not disposed to rest interpretation, he is going to be able to deal with the unit party and congress in a, in a constructive way and to have them approved. but here's what he is going to recommend to them. this is a, this is a tactic and may succeed. you may not, mister kellogg is part of this tactic. someone who is not a believer in uh,
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in uh, finding a, a, an accommodation with russian. not just the, the end of the war, but an accommodation with russia, which was from the very beginning, it's clear mr. trump's intention and the, the problem with low and with trump himself is that they are mission ford. now there are explanations. i have, i'm on a number of different, very reputable, and a far j to, to interview programs. and my peers who are interviewed separately in these programs are military experts as you a people. and they will come to one conclusion that the 8 c, l a and the other intelligence agencies on stage had been feeding to the president and to everyone who has a right to this, this intelligence briefings that are made day by day. they've been feeding some essentially what said pickup and they pass it along as guides. truth,
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without any attempt to, to try to find other sources. there's no words. the top people, decision makers on this page has been fed, lies and propaganda for the last 3 years. by the intelligence agencies of which a, c, i, c, i, a, is the most prominent. however, there are problems with bad explanation. and the problems that come up particularly last month or so when the main purveyors of lies and propaganda are mainstream media like to financial times like to new york times have changed their to them to are giving day by day factual information about the ukrainian losses about the russian games out of balance in the trajectory of the war now leading directly to a russian victory. if these jeff ever picked up the new york times and throw
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away the trash they're receiving from the see i have, they would be saying very different things, mr. trump, mr. kellogg change events, they all would be saying something different. instead, we here because the war is terribly costing lives and it's a stalemate. there's not still only this you, i would tell you this is such that only the news that we get a budget in mainstream. i'm not talking about alternative media. i'm not talking about cheerleaders for russian. i'm talking about mainstream information. so you went to an conceptual, i've noticed that you have to, and of course we know talk a call soon within the white house in the past few days, we know his views interviewed booting and as being continuously talking about how the narratives in the media are available to american citizens, left alone, the in the totality area and european union way, you where it's banned,
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talk about the nazis of ukraine, where i t, as i understand is banned where you are. the twitter is banned in the european union. don't allow w o where you are in brussels to receive information. perhaps even that, like the new york times is now printing. and you wouldn't have been allowed to read that a few months ago. hm. well, yes, and no. the situation in europe is that they're not quite as viable is suggesting r g is under that, that's clear. but you can watch and i watch the russian news every day for interactions. and frankly speaking, i just, i knew it would. there are a few people out there for no russian. the point is that the russian news is actually better than any of the english language productions that archie was putting out the they are, they all are available on, on, on various difficulties difficult for pressing on 50 contracts to access this kind
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of thing obviously. and it's easier, given the 200 know, go to a concert to go to your local library public library way you'll find that mysteriously some books are being bullied by the public library. and so i'm on, i think what would, i'll give you. but on this idea are sanctions then let's go to this as quickly go to sanctions. trump claim that the sanctions are a way of leveraging zalinski and, and then in any kind of seem to be appearing to say, we want to have virginia lensky over to accept any terms, but to get these um, detain human, lithium minerals out of ukraine. i think we both know actually know in ukraine anymore. there in what russia can see it is russia now. so what do you think it'll be wheat fields? scope besides the treasury secretary, was there a head of today's munich summit as we're talking about fake news?
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this whole story, which was originally, goes back to uh, just the last himself, this was 2 months ago this, he was proposing that to that to ukraine's merrill will be put on an offer to the stage or to europe as a guarantee for the payment of the equipment that is being delivered to retrieve, pray, now this was put up then it's now been revived, is just of never as if it was a new i think, newly discovered idea in the, in the trunk. what a white house. but there's nothing to it. it is simply a smoke and mirrors for, for the unsuspecting, uninformed public. the discretion has been dealt with the russian talk chosen by jury a foreign changes experts who have said that, oh yes, but he's the,
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these rad or metals. then titanium not just the rivers, but muscles like a genuine wisdom which have great value today. they just in ukraine and they're spread out in many different places. so i don't quite agree with you that, that role in the russian sector, maybe 30 percent of us this lucy and merch attaining, are in to say 25 percent of the land mass of russia just now occupying their which the main point is that this is not a new content because just been discovered in the middle of the ocean. ukraine has been around for a long time. it was part of the said returning subs union had more of a most of the world's leading, extracted mineral industries. they, they mind everything imaginable in the russian federation, and they never meant spend much money developing the extraction of these minerals in ukraine for good, really well,
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we'll get back is listed by to remember to leave. i will get back to there's a button to present. go with a drawer. i'll stop you. the more from the author of does the united states have a future after this, right? the the welcome back to going under. granted, i'm still here with the author of does rush, i'm a future and for the challenge of the russian book, and let's reprise progressive gilbert golf, tara president, taro, we were talking about the minerals in the the end of thought. one you were saying actually it's reading the over rag, this idea that it's all in the russian. now, lots of russia pods of you. great. uh there are rarer minerals will trump, uh, get ahold of them. you were saying that there uh they haven't been really that
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developed a since developed will came down and before your way to. busy because they're not worth developing. there are many minerals, all kinds. they're a 100 cards and all kinds spread over the whole group. but there are very few concentrations of whether extraction and they're ex, drafted where's commercially viable is not commercially viable to extract from the ukraine. the geology such doesn't pay to do it if it pay to do it. so it sort of done images. so this is not here. it is a distraction from the real issue of do we supply adobe supply arms to ukraine? and if it's, if the issue is, is advanced, if they say that there's something to, to extract from ukraine, it's only twice an argument to false arguments to justify continuing to send arms to your brain. and continuing to do to lie about the real
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state of the war, which is not a stalemate, but intending russian victory in a pending ukrainian defeat. but then we should be at your relation, but they all items uh, as far as we understand it from the united states, still going there. and presumably zalinski and those neo nazis uh that are part of the forces of ukraine will think. now is the time to increase the amount of a symmetric tire or offensive as the last gossips. as you imply of a losing a of a losing battle. i mean, she'd rush it and i'd be expecting more terror attacks. i know there have been a since the trump took office, it is always unforeseeable. but you engage in terrorism when you are losing on the battlefield in traditional warfare. so every effort by the ukraine to, to murder a general as to murder heis,
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of the founders of the, of the militias in the dunbar. as they have done the last 2 months. and these are demonstrations, of their weakness, not of their strength. the why don't we have to raise izzy capitulation. the russians now are within close distance trip across which is the last major fortified center in the middle of done yes of us to region. and once that is taken, which is likely in the next several weeks, there will be a clean drive to snap river. in the it is in the, the green trips have very little possibility following back and then building defenses and protect themselves against coming on smart. this is why the, the crumbling is on willing to a, to proceed to a, him to
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a cease fire. that it is a roll. it is taking a long time to reach this momentum, but they're now enjoying and they want to see it through to the end. as the vast majority of russians want to see happen. yeah, what about then the british, the british being closely involved in the proxy war, not just cuz you kept the emperor as johnson as being the do by actually this week famous. discovering the piece negotiation in that key, which would have argued be saved, so many lives and effects, he helped to an end. so many of those lives. does it have any wider repercussions if us some are of a britain? does what some of the sources are claiming that he would put british soldiers into the conflict. the tags at the boss of the pentagon drums, most of the pentagon saying no, you can individually european countries put people in the just know under
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a nato umbrella. any real repercussions of the mass slaughter of british soldiers in kiev for i live in bots of ukraine, present me, the russians is to go to the mall, or is that just a separate side side, but obviously terrible for the british of these remarks. they start from previous behavior by bars jones. so they are bravado. they're empty. i'm serious. russians are laughing, i'll just leave it. that is the whole ground force. britain is 50000 and the russians have now um, more than a 1000000 minute arms going close to a 1000000 and a half to speak about the 50000 amount for ship. there was a print report of sale, sending some tire on to the to the front. it would be wiped out and then then you would have the school would be left to protect britain the ship a few policeman. there bobby hatch. this is absurd. this is,
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this is the situation back in, in the, in the iraq war was in the lead lead up to that. was that the, the bridge where the goes to, to the americans. unfortunately, the pro, this has moved on and the bridge today and the personal johnson that now stammered, they are the attack dogs. they are, they have moved headed out in front of the united states. and they are exposing himself to the other hatred and contempt of the russians. um, the, if there were to go to be an escalation, burton has a bull's eye written all over the trunk and tell them to go. trump doesn't seem to have much time for the british government. i should just say the british people think really like in so many other european countries of these leaders have very
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little political capital. we which to deploy huge numbers of troops to the east crying to yes, this is will empty talk. the europeans, 25 of 27 european leaders are conformist and cowards and they're shaking their bridge today is to what the americans will do. different america pulls out a supporting ukraine and says, boys, it's yours. they know very well that they will drop the ball. they have no ability to provide equipment, provide manpower to provide the air cover and the intelligence in real time intelligence that has been provided button stage. in short, they are unable to assist ukraine in any significant way. absent american participation, there are 2 at of 27 national leaders who are ahead
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of the rest in facing reality. and they are not friends approach. and they are simply really so the, the meeting that took place last weekend between the uh, the fall right. or these years of the year, which includes the course 3, but then i'm and so do you need from literally uh they have take cards from the positions of donald trump. and so there is a bit more distance as high levels within europe. i think as a matter of the future is airport crack. finally, since everyone was not running for cover in the stations of mr. trump started aggression plans for, for a revising trade relations with yep, there's a lot of wonder sacrifice with a crack. what does that device they made and that people is made with the
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increasing hazing costs and inflation? and so when i should, i should say that is on the does the usa of a future, the written as a collection of essays. it just rush. i have a future rest, you're obviously believes or the russian government does that come out of this terrible proxy war has come advantages because of the sanctions because it'd be new links to china and iran into india and so on. of course. uh i, i have to just find the rubber, but really by asking you about how refreshing your thought is that trump ended the aerial bombardment of gaza and the actual kinetic of genocide, at least for a few weeks since he was came into office. and then refreshingly explains that it's about as a cleansing, how does united the entire world against the policies of say, they feel policies as regards palestine. israel, here in the u. a allied to saudi arabia, read you to russia to china,
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to everyone is now on board for realizing that the zionist project is a lead full and despicable one. as i started to draw any conclusions about what the trunk is during lunch planning. as i said, he's a master showman, and he has his own understanding of how because stations should be prepared as one thing to say. yes, he did wonders in not ending to be the very bottom bottom chickasha. my god, i think i'm with now people are watching this of us. we have to say, right. it might be just normal this. uh, that was a standard he managed to or to achieve a cease fire. and he was receiving muscle to is that he has put a from yet, plans of mission yahoo to attack your wrong the relations with the wrong or
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not. sorry. i was personally helpful. that's barely said now to reach from the the trump administration today a wrong when i go sessions the say all you may have been is me a ring and government that say no, we will never negotiate with the trump administration. as far as i understand that that's a runs position because there's no point in believing donald trump. and because donald trump was the man who was, who's crying about killing the general to the money could be the man who successfully defeated isis. how give me, as i believe in the country, i believe a say were background sparks change around the washington and the stage around was very awful, not just the president of the may supreme leader was hopeful that this will lead to a accommodations in that space. putting the conference station and it goes back to 1980,
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i addressed an proceedings or something back to the president possessed skill need be, or i'll give you the argument fun for that is the nature of the long term comprehension . part question that russia continued for the wrong a couple of weeks ago. we all expect you to start with that. then it's a component of national defense. you didn't. and the fact that it was asked was by up this understanding of both my strong enter. well, let's say it was about to be an accommodation of some sort, christy nonsense. and then it was appropriate to do the best of that to have a military alliance between rough trip to go. so there was the expectation, regrettably, mister trying ventured into this plan and it goes into like a book owner chancia proceeding to do to what would you say about the wrong, the same as he has done in advance of negotiations with this approach. we impose
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a more draconian sanctions on you and then you will come and they go share it with us and we will, they will do some positions to think that this is obvious attempt. regrettably, it doesn't work regrettably for him. i say at the moment, for the right page, the mean model try, we have to return to river time. we'll have direct and do is hopefully we won't be a war by then, or these the united states will be it will by then professor human go tomorrow. thank you. now that's all that's it for the show will be back on monday to us cable is the i a and us state department of visual how far trump is again being undermine from inside his own administration. and he'll then you can keep in touch my role as social media or if it's not sense in your country or indeed it's not censored by you don't musk otherwise. what's going on? do i to be able to come to watch new and old episodes going on the ground? see monday, the
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the i really believe that time has come on forces of your must be creates. it's washington announces natal membership is not guaranteed for t f at the bottom of the low seed scrambles to keep busy repeated backers on board by downplaying us significant. meanwhile to landscape of quarterly and turns down a u. s. proposal that promised to continue the aid if the train paid it back in natural resources, at least until tier can find a better offer washington. and since the deal is a win win, despite the clear benefit to the western power. i think that is when, when, as the american people have a stake in the recovery for ukrainian economy.

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