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i'm afternoon or 10, so you're welcome back to going undergrad, real gusting, around the world from you a e and a week that's always on mux x sensor. our journalism such as the power of the tesla oligarch. because at the time of this show, x is refused to explain why we used to have free speech on x, even though the genocide jo, his regime in washington. you can now follow us on my personal account at option return. see, you don't look, censorship came just weeks after which we did our interview with president trump's new deputy assistant, us tweeting about palestinian energy resources in gaza and americans visited no m. chomsky outlining is rails repeated, violation of peace agreements. our shows are still up on rumble. were appealing to musk and anyone that x who as answers or if you know anyone who can help, please reach out to us here in due by the way you held its annual lo government summit this up to the you a outright rejected trump plan for ethnically cleansing, guys after the 15 months of vitamin harris and
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h o m genocide in palestine. trump secretary stages due in the middle east today. that's often that and you know, i mean, your opinion leaders meeting in unit today have been watching trumps v p j. d. phones to match with ukrainian dictates a zalinski yesterday given the rise of bricks and the dying panes of us. i'm by now my dog. if need be a good time to ask, does the united states have a future? well, professor gilbert, doctor, i wrote that book and people a visiting scholar at columbia university's herman institute joins me now from the capital of brussels in belgium. a progressive doctor, welcome back to the show. you know, before we even get into the nitty gritty, here i understand the new volumes by you are appearing in 2025 or a shed. you will do war diaries more referring to the proxy war in russia through ukraine. what did you make a red road munich? summit hague said that brussels in front of nato defense secretaries appearing to say, you know, of the 1000000 dead ukraine is 25 percent directory gone. so $7000000.00 plus
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displays bankruptcy if you grain, no. nato membership, no use security guarantees. if anything, $500000000.00 a debt in minerals to the usa, node stream buildings and nothing is regard to germany. and basically, that's it. the nato troops are not going to be in ukraine. and ukraine has to give up the land as the there's a lot of news. the fact there, the, the journalist of the world are overwhelmed by the initiatives, not always call them journalists, professor dr. the those who are putting out of the daily briefings that most of the public ridge call that just information call it while you will. the point is that mr. trump has a flurry of initiatives every day which capture the imagination of media, both mainstream media. and let's be honest about alter the, the question is,
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what is he actually intending to do? and the question arises because of the, the distance between the tree and his words, his actions of the, the subsidy we've noted a long time ago. he is given to bluster to an exaggerated threats as a method of negotiation of softening up is talking partners and making them a man minimal to solving things as he would like. regrettably what is missing and all of this is their sense of reality. a sense of being well informed, disregard. i think one thing we should a direct attention to is they came to the continuity and ignorance in the our decision makers in washington and in your before mr. trump's appearance on the stage. after his appearance on the stage, the, the real problem,
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it's astonishing. statements that were made by 20 blinking in his last press conference. just before departing office, he was reciting goal of the principals or the, the concepts that had guided him in his, during this period in office as well, but just deck to russia and to warn you cream. and everything was delusional. everything showed an absolute inability to absorb what he could find into the daily newspapers if he ever welcome them. same is true of people around donald trump today and trump himself, in his statement statements for this good. let's go to that provides the office. i want to get to that and, and name them. because i mean, as you imply, the journalists have to quit the swivel around what they've been saying for 2 years defending this. uh, this obvious defeat that was coming for nato power is because they seem to try and
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make out that this wasn't a huge concession when, as you refer to it, blinking was saying no, everything crimea will positive us something to the nato idea. naming the person now who is general kellogg, the coal and flake defendant, who seemed to be saying only the other day that the, that the that there was that somebody the of of the sanctions enforcement. he was telling the new a po, stone by remodel that sanctions enforcement on rusher only a 3 on a scale of one to 10. just tell us who kellogg is and how that goes to support of what you're saying about the people around trump. giving him clearly well, giving them lies with which to somehow handle this situation. the problem is that people like color are high positions. they have is
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a general control and you already know they are, are they are. yeah, she is the emissary of that to donald trump. chose he's, he's made very peculiar choices and the opening days of who will be the power ministry. people, people who are as go astro, built in the country for security and domestic and international for foreign policy is taking people who nominally have been on the other side of these issues from what he was saying during the initial actual campaign. and he has the, the, the, the, the expectation to say, will follow his orders and do his bidding. and in that way, by taking people who are not just post to race interpretation, he is going to be able to deal with the, the unit party and congress in a, in
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a constructive way and to have them approved. but he is what he is going to recommend to them. this is a, this is a tactic and may succeed. it may not, mister kellogg is part of this tactic. someone who is not a believer in uh, in uh, finding a, a, an accommodation with russian. not just the, the end of the war, but an accommodation with russia, which was from the very beginning, it's clear, mr. trump's intention. and the problem with bo, and with trump himself, is that they are vision formed. now there are explanations. i have, i'm on a number of different, very reputable, and for j to to interview programs. and my peers who are interviewed separately in these programs are military experts as you a people. and they will come to one conclusion that the 8 c,
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l a and the other intelligence agencies on stage had been feeding to the president and to everyone who has a right to this, this intelligence briefings that are made day by day. they've been repeating some essentially what said pickup and cap, and they pass it along as guides. truth, without any attempt to, to try to find other sources is you know, words. the top people, decision makers on this page had been fed, lies and propaganda for the last 3 years by the intelligence agencies which a, c, i, c, i, a, is the most prominent. however, there are problems with bad explanation. and the problems have come up particularly last month or so when the main purveyors of lies and propaganda are mainstream media, like the financial times like to new york times have changed their tune and are
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giving day by day factual information about the ukranian losses about the russian games out of balance in the trajectory of the war now leading directly to a russian victory. or if these jeff ever picked up new york times and throw away the trash they're receiving. let's see. i have they would be saying very different things. mister trump. mister kellogg, j d events, they all would be saying something different. instead, wait here because the war is terribly cost the lives and it's a stalemate. it is not still. so let me just see, i would tell you it's a search. tell me. the news that we get a budget in mainstream. i'm not talking about alternative media. i'm not talking about cheerleaders for russian. i'm talking about mainstream information, so you went to a lot of central to me. i've noticed that you have to. and of course, we know talk
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a call soon within the white house in the past few days. we know his views interviewed booting and as being continuously talking about how the narratives in the media are available to american citizens left alone the in the totality area. and european union where you are, where it's banned, to talk about the nazis of ukraine, where i t, as i understand is banned where you are. the twitter is banned in the european union. don't allow w o where you are in brussels to receive information. perhaps even that, like the new york times is now printing. and you wouldn't have been allowed to read that a few months ago. hm. well, yes, and no. the situation in europe is that they're not quite as viable is because you're testing r g is under that. that's clear. but you can watch, i watch the russian news. see every day for interactions. and frankly speaking, i just think it would. there are
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a few people out there for no russian. the point is that the russian news is actually better than any of the english language productions that archie was putting out the they are they all there are available on, on, on various exams, a goal? yeah. difficult for pressing on 50 contracts to access this kind of thing obviously . and it's easier, given the 200 know, go to a concert to go to your local library public library. way you'll find that mysteriously some books being built by the public library and some art, i think one would i'll give you. but on this idea are sanctions. then let's go to this as quickly go to sanctions. trump claim that the sanctions there a way of leveraging zalinski and, and then in any kind of seem to be appearing to say no leveraging zelinski over to accept to any terms. but to get these um, detain human,
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lift the minerals out of ukraine. i think we both know, actually they, i know in ukraine anymore. there in what rush you can see it is russia now. so what do you think it'll be wheat fields because scope beside the treasury secretary, was there a heather? today's munich, something as we're talking about fake news. this whole story which was originally goes back to a to zaleski himself. this was 2 months ago, but he was proposing that to that ukraine's mineral wealth be put on an offer to the stage or to europe as a guarantee for the payment of the equipment that is being delivered to, to you, pray. now this was put up then it's now been revived, is never as if it was a new i think, newly discovered idea in the, in the trunk white house. but there's nothing to it. it is simply a smoke and mirrors for,
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for the unsuspecting and 100 formed public. the discretion has been dealt with on russian talk chosen by very forward changes experts who have said that, oh yes, please the these rap are metals. that's like a name, not just the rivers, but nestles like a genuine vivian, which have great value today. they just in ukraine and they're spread out in many different places. so i don't quite agree with you that the whole and the russian sector, maybe 30 percent of us this lithium or jamie, are in to say 25 percent of the land mass of russia just now occupying there. but the main point is that this is not a new content, it's just been discovered in the middle of the ocean. ukraine has been around for a long time. it was part of the separate journey was so beginning at one of the most of the world's leading,
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extracted mineral industries. they, they mind everything imaginable in the russian federation. and they never meant spend much money developing the extraction with these minerals and ukraine for good . really? well, we'll get back as they said, but 2 of them are truly viable. we'll get back to there's a button to professor gilbert of drawer. i'll stop you. the more from the author of does the united states have a future after this, right? the, [000:00:00;00] the corner somewhere minding p some or less finley or more in the form of the fees each screw when the customer will just didn't like they didn't always sit on the
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facilities to do it, but still on the ocean, we're yours them. well, that's even your sewage, the right, they're gonna deduct months. you said live in your the the telling me is that a quick call momma contact and answer this and do the welcome back to going underground. and i'm still here with the author of does rush, i'm a future in full, the chairman of the russian book, and let's reprise professor gilbert gulf tara professor, dr. o, we were talking about the minerals in the, the end of thought one you were saying, actually it's reading the over rag, this idea that it's all in the russian. now, lots of russia, a bunch of you. great. there are rarer minerals. we'll trump, uh, get ahold of them. you were saying that there, uh, they haven't been really that developed since the available came down and before or
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you're where to go because they're not worth developing. there are many minerals all kinds. they're a 100 cards and all kinds spread over the whole globe, but they're very few concentrations of where they're extracted and the extracted where's commercially viable is not commercially viable to extract from the ukraine . to geology is such that it doesn't pay to do. it isn't paid to do it, so it sort of done images. so this is how there is a distraction from the real issue of do we supply adobe supply arms to ukraine? and if it's, if the issue is, is advanced. if they say that there's something to, to extract from ukraine, it's only twice an argument or false argument to justify continuing to send arms to your brain. and continuing to do to lie about the real state of the war, which is not a stalemate,
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but intending russian victory and attending ukrainian defeat. but then we should be rich relation, but they all items, uh, as far as we understand it from the united states, still going there. and presumably, the lensky and uh, those neo nazis, uh that are part of the forces of ukraine will think. now is the time to increase the amount of a symmetric tire or offensive as the last gossips. as you imply of a losing a of a losing battle. i mean, she'd rush and i'd be expecting more terror attacks. i know there have been a since the trump took office, it is always unforeseeable. but you engage in terrorism when you are losing on the battlefield international warfare. so every effort by the ukraine to, to murder a generals, to murder heis, of the founders of the,
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of the militias in the dawn bush as they have done the last 2 months. and these are demonstrations of their weakness, not of their strength. the why don't we have to raise izzy capitulation. the restaurants now are within close distance trip across which is the last major fortified center in the middle of done yes of us to region. and once that is taken, which is likely in the next several weeks, there will be a clean drive just in the upper river. in the it is in the, the ukraine trips have very little possibility following back building defenses and protect themselves against the coming. honestly, this is why the, the crumbling is, i'm willing to a, to proceed to am, to
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a cease fire. and it is our role is taking a long time to reach this momentum, but they're now enjoying, and they want to see it through to the end. as the vast majority of russians want to see happen. yeah. what about then, the british, the british being closely involved in the proxy war, not just cuz u k b m, or as johnson has been in dubai, actually this week. uh famously, scott, bring the piece of negotiation in to a key, which would have argued be saved, so many lives and effects. he help scale and, and so many of those lives. does it have any wider repercussions if fasick is tom or of a britain? does what some of the sources are claiming that he would put british soldiers into the conflict, the tags that the boss of the pentagon. trump suppose it depends. you can say you can individually european countries put people in the just the 100 and nato
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umbrella. any real repercussions of the mass slaughter of british soldiers in kiev, for iowa, in bots of ukraine, present me, the russians is to go to the mall, or is that just a separate side side, but obviously terrible for the british. these remarks by storm and from previous behavior by bars jones. they are bravado they're empty. i'm serious. russians are laughing officially, even though is the whole ground force of britain is $50000.00. as the russians have no more than a 1000000 men at arms going it close to a 1000000 and a half to speak about the 50000 pound force. if there was a point of sale, centered some tire on to the to the front. it would be wiped out and then then you would have school would be left to protect britain, a ship, a few policeman there, bobby hatch. this is absurd. is just this is the situation back. and then the,
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the rock war was and the lead lead up to that was that the, the bridge where the goes to, to the americans. unfortunately, the provisions moved on and the british today and the personal johnson that now stammered, they are the attack dogs. they are, they have moved headed out in front of the united states, and they are exposing himself to the other hatred in contempt of the russians. um, the, if there were to go to be an escalation, burton has a bullseye written all over. the trump could tell them to go, trump doesn't seem to have much time for the card. we're just government. i should just say the british people thankfully like in so many other european countries, these leaders have very little political capital. we which to deploy huge numbers
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of troops to the meat grinder. yes, this is for empty. talk to the europeans. $25.27. european leaders are conformist and cowards and they're shaking their bridge today is to what the americans will do. if america pulls out a supporting ukraine and says, boys, george, they know very well that they will drop football. they have no ability to provide equipment, provide manpower to provide the air covered. and the intelligence in real time intelligence that has been provided button stage. in short, they are unable to assist ukraine in any significant way. absent american participation, there are 2 out of 27 nash leaders who are ahead of the rush in facing reality,
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and they are not friends approaching. they are simply really so the, the meeting that took place last weekend between the uh, the fall right. or these years of your which includes of course the read. but then i saw the need from literally, uh, they have take cards from the positions of donald trump. and so there is a bit more distance as high levels within europe. i think as a matter of the near term is airport crack. finally, since everyone is now running for cover in the face of a mr. trump started aggression plans for, for a revising trade relations with yep, there's a lot of wonder sacrifice with a crack. what does that revised they made? and that people's made with the increasing hazing costs and inflation and so on. i should, i should say, that is the only does the usa of a future, the written as
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a collection of essays that does russia have a future rest? you're obviously believes or the russian government does that come out of this terrible proxy war has come advantages because of the sanctions because of the new links to china and iran into india and so on. of course. uh i, i have to just find the rebel by really, by asking you about how refreshing your thought is that trump ended the aerial bombardment of gaza and the actual kinetic of genocide, at least for a few weeks since he was came into office. and then refreshingly explains that it's about his estimate cleansing, how does united the entire world against the policies of say, they feel policies as regards palestine. israel, here in the u. a allied to saudi arabia, read you to russia to china, to everyone is now on board for realizing that the zionist project is
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a lead full and despicable one. i started to draw any conclusions about what the trunk is doing well, planning. as i said, he's a master showman and he has his own understanding the problem because she issues should be prepared as one thing to say yesterday did wonders in not ending the the bumper got a bunk bodily chickasha. my god, i think i'm with now. people are watching this, of course we have to say what it might be just normal this, that was a standard to see that he managed to, to achieve a cease fire. and he was receiving bus. okay. is that he has put a from yes on the plans of mission yahoo! to attack you wrong, the relation to the wrong. oh, oh not sorry. oh,
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i was personally helpful. that's barely said now rich from the the trumpet ministration. today a long time ago sessions the banners, they all you may have been, it's been raining and government that say no, we will never negotiate with the trump administration. as far as i understand it, that's the runs position because there's no point in believing donald trump, because donald trump was the man who was, who's crying about killing the general to the money to be the man who successfully defeated isis. how give me, as i believe in the country, i believe that there were background sparks change. i run and washington and the stage around was very awful. not just the president spoke to the may supreme leader was full the face with a lead to a accommodation. it's nice place, according to the conference station that goes back to 1980, addressed an proceedings or something back to the president disaster can only be or
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i'll give you the argument fun for that is the nature of the long term comprehension. part question that russia considered for the wrong a couple of weeks ago. we all expected that that would happen. it's a component of national defense. you didn't. and the fact that it was asked was by up this understanding of both my strong entry, well, the state was about to be an accommodation of some sort, christy nonsense. and then it was appropriate to do the best of that to have a military alliance between rough do well. so there was the expectation, regrettably, mr. try and entered into this plan and it goes into like a phone and a time shop proceeding to do to, to say about the wrong, the same as he has done in advance of negotiations with this approach. we impose a more draconian sanctions on you. and then you will come and they go share it with
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us. and we will do, we'll do some positions for thanks back, which is obvious attempt, regrettably, it doesn't work regrettably for him. i'd say at the moment for the right page, the mean model try, we have to return to whoever had the time we'll have direct and do is hopefully we won't be will by then or these the united states won't be, it will by then professor, you'll go to our thank you. now that's all that's it for the show will be back on monday to us cable is the i a and us state department of visual how far trump is again being undermined from inside his own administration. and he'll then you can even touch my role as social media or if it's not sense in your country or indeed it's not sensitive but you don't musk otherwise. what's going on the right, you've got a level dot com to watch new and old episodes going on the ground. see monday,
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they blame climate change. the, as the, i really believe that time has come on, forces of yours must be created. washington 99 says nato membership is not guaranteed for key f as 11 years. let's face grumbles to keep his european bonacre's on board by done thing. us significant. and while ukraine's the fact the leader attorneys don an american proposal that promised the continued flow of money provided to the country, natural resources are shipped to that side in the us, allegedly the, when i think that is when, when, as the american people have a stake in the recovery of the premium economy poses conflict and we will go to the
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