reach out to us here in due by the way you held its annual lo government summit this up to the you. a outright rejected trump plan drastically cleansing garza after the 15 months of vitamin harrison h o. m genocide in palestine from secretary state is due in the middle east today. that's often that and you know, i mean, your opinion leaders meeting in munich today they've been watching trumps v p. j. d funds to match with ukrainian dictate to zalinski yesterday, given the rise of bricks and the dying panes of us. and by now my dog, if need be a good time to ask, does the united states have a future? well, professor gilbert, dr. wrote that book and people a visiting scholar at columbia university's herman institute joins me now from the capital of brussels in belgium. progressive doctor, welcome back to the show. you know, before we even get into the nitty gritty, here i understand the new volumes by you are appearing in 2025 or a said you will do war diaries will referring to the proxy war and russia through ukraine. what did you make a regular munich summit to exit the brussels in front of nato defense secretaries

appearing to say, you know, of the 1000000 dead ukrainians, 25 percent directory gone. so $7000000.00 plus displays bankruptcy of u grain. no. nato membership, no use security guarantees. if anything, $500000000000.00, a debt in minerals to the usa, node stream buildings and nothing is regard to germany. and basically, that's it. the nato troops and not going to be in ukraine. and ukraine has to give up the land as the is there's a lot of news. the fact there, the, the journalist of the world overwhelmed by the initiatives not always call them journalists, professor dr. uh the, the, those who are putting out of the daily briefings that the most of the public ridge call that just information color while you will. the point is that mr. trump has

a slow rate of initiatives every day which capture the imagination of media, both main stream media, and let's be honest about it. so to be a question is, what is he actually intending to do? and the question arises because of the, the distance between the tree and his words and his actions of the the subsidy we've noted a long time ago. he is given to bluster to an exaggerated threats as a method of negotiation of softening up is talking partners and making them a metal metal to solving things as he would like. regrettably what is missing and all of this is a sense of reality. a sense of being well informed, disregard. i think one thing we should direct attention to is the concrete continuity and ignorance in the our decision makers in washington and in your

before mr. trump's appearance on the stage. and after his appearance on the stage, the, the real song machine statements that were made by 20 blinking in his last press conference just before departing office, he was reciting all the principals or the, the concepts that had guided him and his during this period in office as a result, stick to russia and the war and ukraine and everything was delusional. everything showed an absolute ability to absorb what he could find to the daily newspapers if he ever welcome them. same is true of people around donald trump today. and trump himself, in his statement statements for this good, let's go to that provides the office. i want to get to that and,

and name them. because i mean, as you imply, the journalists have to quit the swivel around what they've been saying for 2 years . defending this uh, this obvious defeat that was coming for nato power is because they seem to try and make out that this wasn't a huge concession when, as you refer to ad blinking was saying no, everything crimea will pots of us something to the nato idea. naming the personnel who is general kellogg, the cool and like defendant who seemed to be saying only the other day that uh that uh there was so many of its sanctions enforcement. he was telling the new a po stone by remodel that sanctions enforcement on rusher only at 3 on a scale of one to 10. just tell us who kellogg is and how that goes to simple of what you're saying about the people around trump. giving him clearly,

both giving them lies with which to somehow handle this situation. the problem is that people like color are high positions. they have is a general control and you already know they are. they are. yeah, she is the emissary of that to the donald trump chose he's. he's made very peculiar choices and i mean you're opening days of who will be the power ministry people, people who are as go astro, built in the country for security. the domestic and international for foreign policy is taking people who nominally have been on the other side of these issues from what he was saying during visual actual campaign. and he has the, the, the, the, the expectation to say, will follow his orders and do his bidding. and in that way,

by taking people who are not just post to race interpretation, he is going to be able to deal with the, the unit party in congress, in a, in a constructive way and to have them approved. but he is what he is going to recommend to them. this is a, this is a tactic and may succeed. you may not, mister kellogg is part of this tactic. someone who is not a believer in uh, in uh, finding a, a, an accommodation with russian. not just the, the, the end of the war, but an accommodation with russia, which was from the very beginning, it's clear, mr. trump's intention and the problem with well, and with trump himself, is that they are mission ford. now there are explanations. i have, i'm on a number of different, very reputable, and for j to talk interview programs. and my peers who are interviewed separately

in these programs are military experts, su a people. and they will come to one conclusion that the 8 celia and the other intelligence agencies on stage had been feeding to the president and to everyone who has a right to this. this intelligence briefings are made day by day. they've been feeding some essentially, let's say pickup and cap, and they pass it along as guides. truth, without any attempt to, to check to find other sources as words, the top people decision makers on this page had been fetch lies and propaganda for the last 3 years by the intelligence agencies which a, c, i, c, i, a, is the most prominent. however, there are problems with bad explanation and the problems that come up particularly last month or so,

when the main purveyors of lies and propaganda are mainstream media like to financial times like to new york times have changed their tune and are giving day by day factual information about the ukrainian losses that the russian games out of balance in the trajectory of the war now leading directly to a russian victory is these just ever picked up new york times and throw away the trash they're receiving. let's see, i have, they would be saying very different things. mister trump, mister kellogg. j d events, they all would be saying something different. instead, we're here because the war is terribly costing lives and it's a stalemate. it is not stealing. so let me just see, i would tell you it's a search, tell me the news that we get a budget in mainstream. i'm not talking about alternative media. i'm not talking

about cheerleaders for russian. i'm talking about mainstream information. so you want to and what this actually is i've noticed that you have to and of course we know talk a call soon within the white house in the past few days, we know his views and viewed booting and as being continuously talking about how the narratives in the media are available to american citizens, left alone, the in the totality area and european union way. you where it's banned, talk about the nazis of ukraine, where archie is. i understand is banned where you are. the twitter is banned in the european union. don't allow w o where you are in brussels to receive information. perhaps even that, like the new york times is now printing. and you wouldn't have been allowed to read that a few months ago. hm. well, yes, and no. the situation in europe is that they're not quite as vulnerable as because you just are g. as under that, that's clear. but you can watch,

i watch the russian news every day. uh for interactions. and frankly speaking, i just, i know it would. there are a few people out there for no russian. and the point is that the russian news is actually better than any of the english language productions that archie was putting out the they are, they all are available on, on, on various difficulties difficult for pressing on 50 contracts to access this kind of thing. obviously, and it's easier, given the do, i don't know, go to a concert to go to your local library public library. way you'll find that mysteriously some books being bull by the public library. and some art, i think one would give you. but on this idea are sanctions then let's go to this as quickly go to sanctions. trump claim that the sanctions are a way of leveraging zalinski and,

and then in any kind of seem to be appearing to say no leveraging zelinski over to accept any terms. but to get these um, detain human, lift the minerals out of ukraine. i think we both know actually know in ukraine anymore. there in what russia can see it is russia now. so what do you think it'll be wheat fields because scope beside the treasury secretary, was there a heather, today's munich, something. as we're talking about fake news. this whole story, which was originally was, goes back to uh, to zaleski himself. this was 2 months ago, but he was proposing that to that ukraine's mineral wealth be put on an offer to the stage or to europe as a guarantee for the payment of the equipment that is being delivered to, to you, pray. now this was put up then it's now been revived, is never as if it was

a new i think, newly discovered idea in the, in the trunk. what a white house. but there's nothing to it. it is simply a smoke and mirrors for, for the unsuspecting and 100 formed public. the discretion has been dealt with on russian talk shows and by very far changes experts who have said that, oh yes, but he's the, these were metals then titanium not just the rivers, but mentions like genuine vivian, which have great value today. they just didn't ukraine and they're spread out in many different places. so i don't quite agree with you that the whole and the russian sector, maybe 30 percent of us this lithium or janie are in to say 25 percent of the land mass of russia. just now occupying their what the main point is that this is not a new content has just been discovered in the middle of the ocean. ukraine has been

around for a long time. it was part of the said returning. so beginning at one of the most of the world's leading extract just mineral industries. they, they mind everything imaginable in the russian federation. and they never met spend much money developing the extraction of these minerals and ukraine for good really? well, we'll get back cuz it's about 2 of them are totally viable. we'll get back to there's a button too because it go with a drawer. i'll stop you. the more from the author of does the united states have a future after this, right. the the, the,

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because without doing any click of soul tie it up, table it comes in built around what sort of on team so. so this would be a vision door for something to bid jane stuff aside from the sure the bus they have to go. they need to be stuff as i. so the, so not clear on nice through the problem. also, i noticed was that some of the, the welcome back to going underground, and i'm still here with the older of does rush, i'm a future improvement chairman of the russian book, and let's reprise professor gilbert gulf tara professor, dr. o, we were talking about the minerals in the, the end of thought, one you were saying, actually it's reading the over rag, this idea that it's all in the russian. now,

lots of russia happens to be great. there are rarer minerals will trump, uh, get ahold of them. you're saying that there. uh they haven't been really that developed since the available came down and before they went to hell because they're not worth developing. and there are many mendoza, all kinds. they're a 100 cards and all kinds spread over the whole gloat. but there are very few concentrations of weather extraction and they're distracted. where's commercially viable is not commercially viable to extract from the ukraine? the geology is such that it doesn't pay to do it. if it pay to do it, so it's what have done images. so this is how there is a distraction from the real issue of do we supply adobe supply arms to ukraine? and if it's, if the issue is, is advanced. if they say that there's something to, to extract from ukraine, it's only twice an argument to false arguments to justify continuing to send arms

to ukraine. and continuing to do to lie about the real state of the war, which is not a stalemate, but intending russian victory an impending ukrainian defeat. but then we should be its relation, but they all items uh, as far as we understand it from the united states, still going there and presumably zelinski and uh, those neo nazis uh that are part of the forces of ukraine will think. now is the time to increase the amount of asymmetric tear or offensive as the last gossips. as you imply of a losing a of a losing battle. i mean, she'd rush and i'd be expecting more terror attacks. i know there have been since the trump took office, it is always unforeseeable. but you engage in terrorism when you are

losing on the battlefield in traditional warfare. so every effort by the ukraine to, to murder a general subject, murder, heis, of the founders of the, of the militias in the dunbar. as they have done the last 2 months. and these are demonstrations of their weakness, not of their strength. the why don't we have true wage. izzy capitulation, the russians now are within close distance trip across which is the last major fortified center in the middle of done yes of us to region. and once that is taken, which is likely in the next several weeks, there will be a clean, dry, just in the upper river. in the it is in the, the ukraine trips have very little possibility falling back in

a building defenses and protect themselves against the coming on smart. this is why the, the crumbling is on willing to a, to proceed to a him, to a cease fire. and it is our role, it has taken a long time to reach this momentum, but they're now enjoying and they want to see it through to the end. as the vast majority of russians want to see happen. yeah. what about then the british, the british and being closely involved in the proxy war, not just cuz u k. b and borrows johnson has been in dubai. actually this week, uh, famous discovering the piece negotiation in that key, which would have argued be saved so many lives in effect, the help to an end. so many of those lives. does it have any wider repercussions if us, a gas tom or of a britain does what? some of the sources are claiming that he would put british soldiers into the conflict. the tags at the boss of the pentagon drums,

most of the pentagon saying you can individually european countries put people in the just know 100 nato umbrella. any real repercussions of the mass slaughter of british soldiers in kiev for i live in bots of ukraine, presuming the russians is to go to the mall, or is that just a separate side side, but obviously terrible for the british of these remarks. they start from previous behavior, doors, drugs. they are bravado, they're empty. i'm serious. russians are laughing, i'll just leave it. that is, the whole ground force of britain is $50000.00, and the russians have now um, more than a 1000000 met at orange, going close to a 1000000 and a half to speak about the $50000.00 pound force. if there was a pretty good a sell,

send it some tire on to the to the front. it would be wiped out and then then you would have the school would be left to protect britain, the ship a few policeman. there, bobby hatch. this is absurd. this is the, this is the situation back in the, in the, in the rock war was and the lead lead up to that was, that's the bridge where the goes to, to the americans. unfortunately, the pro, this has moved on and the british today and the personal johnson that now stammered, they are the attack dogs. they are, they have moved headed out in front of the united states. and they are exposing himself to the other hatred in contempt of the russians. um the if there were to go to be an escalation bridge and has a bull's eye written all over the trump could tell them to go. trump doesn't seem to have much time for the card. we're just government. i should just say the

british people thankfully, like in so many other european countries, these leaders have very little political capital. we which to deploy huge numbers of troops to the east crying to yes, this is will empty talk. the europeans, 25 and 27 european leaders are conformist and cowards and they're shaking in their boots today as to what the americans will do. if america pulls out a supporting ukraine and says, boys of george, they know very well that they will drop football. they have no ability to provide equipment, provide manpower to provide the air covered. and the intelligence in real time intelligence that has been provided button states insurance, they are unable to assist ukraine in any significant way. absent american participation,

there are 2 at of 27 national leaders who are ahead of the rest in facing reality. and they are not friends approaching. they are simply realists. so the, the meeting that took place last weekend between the uh, the far right of these years of europe, which includes of course, the re but then i. and so do you need from literally uh they have take cards from the positions of donald trump. and so there is a bit more distance as high levels within europe, i think is a matter of, of the future is airport crack. finally, since everyone is not running for cover in the stations of mr. trump started aggression plans for, for

a revising trade relations with yet the wonder sacrifice the crack. what does that device they made and that people's made with the increasing hazing costs and inflation. and so on, i should, i should say that it was only the usa of a future, the written as a collection of essays. it is, does russia have a future rest? you're obviously believes or the russian government does that come out of this terrible proxy war has come advantages because of the sanctions because of the new links to china and iran into india and so on. of course. uh, i have to just find the rebel, but really by asking you about how refreshing your thought is that trump ended the aerial bombardment of gaza and the actual kinetic of genocide, at least for a few weeks since he was came into office. and then refreshingly explains that it's about ethnic cleansing and is united the entire world against the policies

of say, the nature of policies as regards palestine. israel, here in the u. a allied to saudi arabia read, you have to rush it to china to everyone is now on board for realizing that the zionist project is a lead full and despicable one. as i started to draw any conclusions about what the trunk is doing, well, it's planning. as i said, he's a master showman and he has his own understanding the problem because she issues shouldn't be prepared as one thing to say. yes, he did wonders in not ending to be the very bottom bottom chickasha, my god. and i think i'm with now people are watching this of course we have to say whether it might be just normal this uh, that was a standard he managed to or to achieve a ceasefire. and he was receiving most of time is that he has put

a from yet on the plans of natural gas to attack you wrong, the relation to the wrong or not, sorry, i was personally helpful. that's barely said now to reach from the trumpet. ministration took a wrong when i go sessions the say all you may have been is me a ring and government that say no, we will never negotiate with the trump administration. as far as i understand that that's a runs position because there's no point in believing donald trump, because donald trump was the man who wrote back was who's crying about getting the general to the money. could be the man who successfully defeated isis. how give really, as i believe in the country, i believe i said we're back round sparks change. i run and washington and the stage around was very awful. not just the president of the they supreme leader is full for the face with a lead to

a accommodation. it's nice place holding up the conference station and it goes back to 1980, addressed, and proceeding to something back to the president as asking the be, or i'll give you the argument fun for that is the nature of the long term comprehension. part question that russia can speak for the wrong a couple of weeks ago. we all expected that that would happen. it's a component of national defense. you didn't. and the fact that it was asked was by up this understanding of both my strong entry, well, the state was about to be an accommodation of some sort, christy nonsense. and then it was appropriate to do the best of that to have a military alliance between rough do well. so there was the expectation, regrettably, mr. try and entered into this plan and it goes, oh, well, i got overcharged for proceeding to do to,

to say about the wrong the same as he has done in advance of negotiations with this approach. we impose a more draconian sanctions on you and then you will come and negotiate with us. and we will do. we'll do some positions to thanks back, which is obvious attempt, regrettably, it doesn't work regrettably for him. i'd say at the moment for the right page, do you mean marginal try? we have to rich and whoever had the time we'll have direct and do is hopefully we won't be will by then, or these the united states will be it will by then professor gilbert, go to our thank you. now that's all that's it for the show will be back on monday to us cable is the i a and us state department of visual how far trump is again being undermined from inside his own administration. and he'll then you can even touch my role as social media or if it's not sense in your country or needed sort sensing, but you don't musk otherwise. what's going on the right to be able to come to watch new and old episodes going on the ground. see monday,

the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the madness of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to be living online. we have very close propaganda. you know, price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask the better. the answer is will be the of

the breaking news this hour, the russian foreign minister and his us counterparts. have spoken via phone washington's request that says not in there is a landscape viewed the south, the ongoing dialogue between the 2 major powers. if the dialogue will be in such supplies mental, which don't demonstrate united states to rational, i think, yes. so we're not very happy with it, to be honest, but just the slide 12 about the same figure. also, it pushes for a european army to be created. thing those troops can then be deployed in ukraine. i really believe that time has come on portions of yours must be created an account