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the the on option are 10, so you're welcome back to going undergrad, real cussing around the world from you a and a week that's always on mux x sensor. our journalism, such as the power, the tesla, all the got, is it the time with this show x is refuse to explain why we used to have free speech on x, even though the genocide shows regime in washington. you cannot follow us on my personal account at action retents c. e lux. censorship came just weeks after which we did our interview with president trump's new deputy assistant, a sweet thing about palestinian energy resources in gaza and the american visited. no, i'm chomsky outlining is rails repeated, violation of peace agreements as shows are still up on rumble. were appealing to
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must, can anyone if x, who as on says, or if you know anyone who can help please reach out to us here in dubai view a how that's annual world governments summit this up to the u. a. outright projected transplant drastically cleansing guys after the 15 months of vitamin harris and h o m genocide in palestine. trump secretary of state is due in the middle east today. that's often that in, you know, i'm in europe and leaders meeting in munich today. they've been watching trumps v p j d. phones to match with ukrainian dictate the zalinski yesterday, given the rise of bricks and the dying panes of us. i'm by now my dog if need be a good time to ask, does the united states have a future? well, professor gilbert of tara wrote that book and people, a visiting scholar at columbia university's herman institute joins me now from the capital of brussels in belgium. a doctor, welcome back to the show. you know, before we even get into the nitty gritty, here i understand the new volumes by you are appearing in 2025 or
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a shed. you will do war diaries will referring to the proxy war in russia through ukraine. what did you make a red road munich? summit hague said that brussels in front of nato defense secretaries appearing to say, you know, of the 1000000 dead ukrainians. 25 percent directory gone. $7000000.00 plus displays bankruptcy. if you grain, no. nato membership, no use security guarantees. if anything, $500000000.00 a debt in minerals to the usa node stream bombings and nothing is regards germany. and basically, that's it. the nato troops are not going to be in ukraine. and ukraine has to give up the land the, there's a lot of news. in fact, there, the, the journalist of the world are overwhelmed by the initiatives. not always call them journalists, professor, dr. so so, so the, the, those who are putting out the daily briefings that most of the public ridge
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call that just information color. but you will. the point is that mr. trump has a flurry of initiatives every day which capture the imagination of media, both mainstream media and let's be honest about it, alter the, the question is, what is he actually intending to do? and the question arises because of the distance between the dream, his words and his actions of the the subsidy we've noted a long time ago. he is given to bluster to exaggerated threats as a method of negotiation of softening up is talking partners and making them a minimum minimal to solving things as he would like. regrettably what is missing and all of this is a sense of reality. a sense of being well informed,
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disregard. i think one thing we should direct attention to is the content continuity and ignorance in the our decision makers in washington and in your before mr. trump's appearance on the stage. after his appearance on the stage, the, the real problem, it's astonishing. statements that were made by 20 blinking in his last press conference. just before departing office, he was reciting goal, the principals or the, the concepts that had guided him and his during this period and office has worked with respect to russia and the war and ukraine. and everything was delusional. everything showed absolutely ability to absorb what he could sign into the daily newspapers if you ever welcomed them. the same is
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true of people around donald trump today and trump himself, in his statements for this case, let's go to that provides the office. i want to get to that and, and name them. because i mean, as you imply, the journalists have to quit the swivel around what they've been saying for 2 years defending this uh, this obvious defeat. that was coming for nato powers because they seemed to try and make out that this wasn't a huge concession when, as you refer to it, blinking was saying no, everything crimea will positive, says something to the nato idea. naming the person now who is general kellogg. the coal and flake defendant, who seemed to be saying only the other day that uh that uh, that there was that somebody the of its sanctions enforcement. he was telling the new a po stone by remodel that sanctions enforcement on rusher only at 3 on
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a scale of one to 10. just tell us who kellogg is and how that goes to support what you're saying about the people around trump, giving him clearly both giving him lies with which to somehow handle this situation . the problem is that people like color are high positions. they have is a general control. them you know, they are, they are. yeah. she is the emissary of that to the donald trump chose he's. he's made very peculiar choices and the opening days of who will be the power ministry, people, people who are as go astro built in the country for security of domestic and international for foreign policy is taking people who nominally have been on the other side of these issues from what he was saying during visual actual campaign.
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and he has the, the, the, the, the expectation to say will follow his orders and do his bidding. and in that way, by taking people who are not disposed to rush interpretation, he is going to be able to deal with the, the unit party and congress in a, in a constructive way and to have them approved. but here's what he is going to recommend to them. this is a, this is a tactic and may succeed. it may not. mr. kellog is part of this tactic. someone who is not a believer in uh, in uh, finding a, a, an accommodation with russian. not just the, the end of the war, but as an accommodation with russia, which was from the very beginning, it's clear, mr. trump's intention. and the problem with bo, and with trump himself, is that they are mission for. now there are explanations. i have, i am on
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a number of different, very reputable, and for j to to interview programs. and my peers who are interviewed separately in these programs are military experts as you a people. and they will come to one conclusion that the 8 c l u and the other intelligence agencies on stage had been feeding to the president and to everyone who has a right to this, this intelligence briefings that are made day by day. they've been feeding some essentially, let's say pickup and they pass it along as guides. truth, without any attempt to, to try to find other sources is, you know, words the top people, decision makers on this page had been fetched, lies and propaganda for the last 3 years. by the intelligence agencies, which a, c, i, c, i, a, is the most prominent. however,
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there are problems with bad explanation. and the problems that come up particularly last month or so when the main purveyors of lies and propaganda are mainstream media, like the financial times like to new york times have changed their tune and are giving day by day factual information about the ukrainian losses. that the russian gains out of balance in the trajectory of the war now leading directly to a russian victory. if these gentlemen ever picked up the new york times and throw away the trash the receiving from, let's see. i have, they would be saying very different things, mr. trump. mr. kellogg, tracy vance. they all would be saying something different. instead, we here, cuz the war is terribly costing lives and it's a stalemate. it is not stealing. so let me just see, i would tell you it's
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a search, tell me the news that we get a budget in mainstream. i'm not talking about alternative media. i'm not talking about cheerleaders for russian. i'm talking about mainstream information. so you went to a local central. i've noticed that you have to and of course we know talk a call soon within the white house in the past few days, we know his views interviewed booting and as being continuously talking about how the narratives in the media are available to american citizens left alone the in the totality area and european union way you where it's banned, talk about the nazis of ukraine, where archie is. i understand is banned where you are. the twitter is banned in the european union. don't allow w o where you are in brussels to receive information. perhaps even that, like the new york times is now printing. and you wouldn't have been allowed to read that a few months ago. hm. well, yes,
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and no. the situation in europe is that they're not quite as viable is because you're testing r t is under that. that's clear. but you can watch. i watch the russian news every day. uh for interactions. and frankly speaking, i just, i know it was, there are a few people out there for no rush. and the point is that the russian news is especially better than any of the english language productions that archie was putting out the they, are they all they're available on on, on various subjects. nancy gold here, difficult for professional and 50 contracts to access this kind of thing obviously . and it's easier given the 200, they'll go to a concert to go to your local library public library way you'll find that to the mysterious sleep. some books being bull by the public library and some odd, i think one would i'll give you. but on this idea are sanctions then let's go to
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this as quickly go to sanctions. trump claim that the sanctions are a way of leveraging zalinski and, and then uh and any kind of seem to be appearing to say no leveraging zelinski over to accept to any terms. but to get these um, detain human, lift the minerals out of ukraine. i think we both know actually there are no in ukraine anymore. there in what rush you can see it is russia now. so what do you think it'll be wheat fields, the scope beside the treasury secretary was there ahead of today's munich summit, as we're talking about fake news. this whole story which was originally would come, goes back to the uh to the electrical himself. this was 2 months ago, but he was proposing that to that to ukraine's merrill will be put on an offer to the stage or to europe as a guarantee for the payment of all the equipment that is being delivered to
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retrieve pray. now this was put up then it's now been revived as of never as if it was a new i just newly discovered idea in the, in the trunk white house. but there's nothing to it. it is simply a smoke and mirrors for, for the unsuspecting and 100 formed public. the discretion has been dealt with all russian talk shows in missouri, a forward changes experts who have said that, oh yes, but it's the, these were metals that's like tiny and not just the rivers, but nothing's like a genuine vivian, which have great value today. they just in ukraine and they're spread out in many different places. so i don't quite agree with you that the whole and the russian sector, maybe 30 percent of us this lithium or to obtaining, are in to say 25 percent of the land mass of russia. just now occupying there,
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but the main point is that this is not a new confidence has just been discovered in the middle of the ocean. ukraine has been around for a long time. it was part of the said returning. so union had one of the most of the world's leading, extracted mineral industries. they, they mind everything imaginable in the russian federation. and they never meant spend much money developing the extraction of these minerals and ukraine for good, really? well, we'll get back cuz it's about to remember to leave. i will get back to there's a button to because a go with up to are, i'll stop you. the more from the author of does the united states have a future after this, right? the, [000:00:00;00]
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the, the boiler suddenly mining t suddenly less finley or more in the form, the physics clue when the customer will just didn't like they didn't always sit on the facilities to do it. but still on the ocean where y'all are still, well, that's even your sewage, the right they're going to deduct much isn't live in your the the telling me is that a quick call mom, i'll get that to me. answer those videos. the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the author of does rush, i'm a future improvement chairman of the russian book, and let's reprise professor gilbert gulf. tara provides a doctor. oh, we were talking about the minerals in the,
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the end of thought one you were saying actually it's reading the over rag. this idea that it's all in the russian. now, lots of russia pods of you. great. they're all rarer minerals. we'll trump, uh, get ahold of them. you were saying that there uh they haven't been really that developed since the available came down and before on their way to. busy because they're not worth developing. there are many minerals, all kinds. they're a 100 cards and all kinds spread over the whole group. but there are very few concentrations of where they're extracting and the extracted where's commercially viable, is not commercially viable to extract from the ukraine. the geology such doesn't pay to do it if it pay to do it. so it's sort of done imaging. so this is the hot air. it is a distraction from the real issue of the supplier, adobe supply arms to ukraine. and if it's, if the issue is,
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is advanced, if they say that there's something to, to extract from ukraine is only twice an argument of false arguments to justify continuing to send arms to your brain. and continuing to do to lie about the real state of the war, which is not a stalemate, but intending russian victories and attending ukrainian defeat. but then we should be at your relation, but they all items uh, as far as we understand it from the united states, still going there. and presumably zalinski and those neo nazis uh that are part of the forces of ukraine will think. now is the time to increase the amount of asymmetric tear or offensive as the last gossips. as you imply of a losing a of a losing battle. i mean should rushing now be expecting more terror attacks. i know there have been since the trump took office,
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it is always unforeseeable. but you engage in terrorism when you are losing on the battlefields in traditional warfare. so every effort by the ukraine to, to murder a general's murder, heis of the founders of the, of the militias in the dunbar as they have done the last 2 months. um, these are demonstrations of their weakness now that their strength the why don't we have to raise izzy capitulation. the russians now are within close distance trip across which is the last major fortified center in the middle of done yes of us to region. and once that is taken, which is likely in the next several weeks, there will be a clean drive to snap river. in the it is in the,
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the ukraine trips have very little possibility falling back in the building defenses and protect themselves against the coming. honestly, this is why the, the crumbling is unwilling to a, to proceed to a, to a cease fire. and it is our role. it has taken a long time to reach this momentum, but they're now enjoying, and they want to see it through to the end. as the vast majority of russians want to see happen. yeah. what about then the british, the british and being closely involved in the proxy war, not just cuz u k. b and boris johnson has been in dubai. actually this week, uh, famous discovering the piece negotiation in that key, which would have, can be saved so many lives in effect, the help to an end. so many of those lives. does it have any wider repercussions if
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us a guest um or of a britain does what uh, some of the sources are claiming that he would put british soldiers into the conflict. the tags at the boss of the pentagon drums, most of the pentagon saying you can individually european countries put people in the event just not under a nato umbrella, any real repercussions of the mass slaughter of british soldiers in kiev, for i know him parts of ukraine presuming the russians is to go to the mall, or is that just a separate side side, but obviously terrible for the british of these remarks. they start from previous behavior by doris jones. they are bravado they're empty. i'm serious. the russians are laughing up, the sleeve with them is the whole. the ground force with britain is 50000 and the russians have now um, more than a 1000000 minute arms going close to a 1000000 and
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a half to speak about the 50000 pound force. if there was a point of sale, send it some tire on to the to the front. it would be wiped out and then then you would have school would be left to protect britain, a few. but if you policemen, there are bobby hatch. this is absurd. this is, this is the situation back in the, in the, in the iraq war was and the lead lead up to that was, that's the bridge where the students to, to the americans. unfortunately, the pro business has moved on and it's a bridge today. and the personal johnson that now stammered, they are the attack dogs. they are, they have moved headed out in front of the united states. and they are exposing himself to the other hatred in contempt of the russians. the,
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if there were to go to be an escalation, britain has a bullseye written all over. the trump could tell them to go, trump doesn't seem to have much time for the british government. i should just say the british people think really like in so many other european countries that these leaders have very little political capital. we, which to deploy huge numbers of troops to the east crying to yes, this is for empty talk. the europeans, 25 and 27 european leaders are conformist and cowards, and they're shaking their bridge today as to what the americans will do. if america pulls out a supporting ukraine and says, boys, it's yours. they know very well that they will drop the ball. they have no ability to provide equipment, provide manpower to provide the air covered at the intelligence in
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real time intelligence that has been provided button states insurance, they are unable to assist ukraine in any significant way. absent american participation, there are 2 out of 27 national leaders who are the head of the rest in facing reality. and they are not friends approaching. they are simply really so the, the meeting that took place last weekend between the of this all right. these years of your which includes of course 3, but then i and so do you need from literally uh they have take cards from the positions of donald trump. and so there is a bit more distance as high levels within europe. i think as a matter of the future is airport crack. finally,
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since everyone was not running for cover in the stations of mr. trump started aggression plans for, for a revising trade relations with yet there's a lot of wonder sacrifice with a crack. what does that device they made and that people is made with the increasing heating costs and inflation and so on? i should, i should say that is on the does the usa of a future, the written as a collection of essays that just rush. i have a future rest, you're obviously believes or the russian government does that come out of this terrible proxy war has come advantages because of the sanctions because it'd be new links to china and iran into india and so on. of course. uh, i, i have to just find the revel. bailey, by asking you about how refreshing your thought is that trump ended the aerial bombardment of gaza and the actual kinetic of genocide, at least for a few weeks since he was came into office. and then refreshingly explains that it's
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about the cleansing, how does united the entire world against the policies of say, they feel policies as regards palestine. israel, here in the u. a allied to saudi arabia, read you to russia to china, to everyone is now on board for realizing that the zionist project is a lead full and despicable one. as i started to draw any conclusions about what the trunk is doing well, planning. as i said, he's a master showman and he has his own understanding the problem because issues should be prepared as one thing to say yesterday did wonders in not ending to be the very bottom bottom chickasha. my god, i think i'm with now people are watching this of interest. we have to say, right?
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it might be just normal this, that was a standing that he managed to to achieve a cease fire. and he was receiving bus. the thing is that he has put a from yes on the plans of mission yahoo to attack your wrong the relations with the wrong. oh, oh not sorry. oh, i was personally helpful. that's barely said now rich from the the trump administration, took a wrong. when i go sessions the say all you may have been is me a ring and government that say no, we will never negotiate with the trump administration. as far as i understand it, that's the runs position because there's no point in believing donald trump. and because donald trump was the man who was, who's crying about killing the general to the money could be the man who successfully defeated isis. how give really, as i believe in the country, i believe there were background sparks change. i run and washington and the stage
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around was very awful. not just the president of the may supreme leader is hopeful that this will lead to a accommodations nice place. according to the conference station that goes back to 1980, i addressed an proceedings or something back to the president possessed skill need be, or i'll give you the argument fun for that is the nature of the long term comprehension . part question that russia considered for the wrong a couple of weeks ago. we all expect you to start with. i think it's a component of national defense. you didn't. and the fact that it was asked was by up this understanding of both my strong entry, what if there was about to be an accommodation of some sort, christy nonsense. and then it was appropriate to do the best of that to have a military alliance between rough trip google. so there was the expectation,
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regrettably, mr. try and entered into this plan and it goes into like a book owner, chancia are proceeding to do to, to say about the wrong, the same as he has done in advance of negotiations with this approach. we impose a more draconian sanctions on you. and then you will come and they go shared with us, and we will, they will do from positions to right back, which is obvious attempt, regrettably, it doesn't work regrettably for him. i'd say at the moment for the right page, the mean model try, we have to return to whoever had the time we'll have direct and do is hopefully we won't be will by then. or these the united states will be a will by then professor human go tomorrow. thank you. a message that said for the show will be back on monday to us cable is the a and us state department of visual how far trump is, again being undermined from inside his own administration. and so then you can keep in touch with people as social media or if it's not sense in your country or indeed
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