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to have to be the the i'm option or 10, so you're welcome back to going undergrad, real cussing around the world from you a and a week that's always on mux x sensor. our journalism, such as the power of the test level, the god, does it the time of this show x is refused to explain why we used to have free speech on x, even though the genocide shows regime in washington. you cannot follow us on my personal account at option return. see, you don't look sense. the shift came just weeks after which we did our interview with president trump's new deputy assistant, us tweeting about palestinian energy resources in gaza. and the american visited no m. chomsky outlining israel's repeated violation of peace agreements. our shows are
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still up on rumble. were appealing to musk and anyone that x who as ounces, or if you know anyone who can help, please reach out to us here in due by the way you held its annual lo governments summit this up to the you a outright rejected transplant drastically cleansing, guys after the 15 months of vitamin harris and h o m genocide in palestine, trump secretary of state is due in the middle east today. that's often that and you know, i'm in europe and leaders meeting in unit today have been watching trumps v p j d. phones to match with ukrainian dictate to zalinski yesterday given the rise of bricks and the dying panes of us. i'm by now my dog. if need be a good time to ask, does the united states have a future? well, professor gilbert, dr. wrote that book and people a visiting scholar at columbia university's herman institute joins me now from the capital of brussels in belgium. the doctor, welcome back to the show. you know, before we even get into the nitty gritty, here i understand the new volumes by you are appearing in 2025 or
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a shed. you will do war diaries more referring to the proxy war in russia through ukraine. what did you make a red road munich? summit hague said that brussels in front of nato defense secretaries appearing to say, you know, of the 1000000 dead ukraine is 25 percent directory gone. so $7000000.00 plus displays bankruptcy view grain. no. nato membership, no use security guarantees. if anything, $500000000.00 a debt in minerals to the usa node stream bombings and nothing is regards germany. and basically, that's it. the nato troops are not going to be in ukraine. and ukraine has to give up the land as the is there is a lot of news. the fact there the, the journalist of the world are overwhelmed by the initiatives, not always call them journalists, professor dr. the those who are putting out of the daily
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briefings that most of the public ridge call that just information call it while you will. the point is that mr. trump has a slow rate of initiatives every day which capture the imagination of media, both mainstream media. and let's be honest about it, alter the, the question is, what is he actually intending to do? and the question arises because of the, the distance between the tree and his words, his actions of the the subsidy we've noted a long time ago. he is given to bluster to an exaggerated threats as a method of negotiation of softening up is talking partners and making them a minimum minimal to solving things as he would like. regrettably what is missing and all of this is a sense of reality. a sense of being well informed,
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disregard. i think one thing we should direct attention to is they came to the continuity, and neither is in the our decision makers in washington and in your before mr. trump's appearance on the stage. after his appearance on the stage, the, the real problem, it's astonishing. statements that were made by 20 blinking in his last press conference of the 2 before departing office. he was reciting goal of the principals or the, the concepts that had guided him in his, during this period in office as visitors deck to russia and the war and ukraine. and everything was delusional. everything showed an absolute ability to absorb what he could find into the daily newspapers if he ever welcome them. the
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same is true people around donald trump today and trump himself, in his paper statements for this case, let's go to that provides the office. i want to get to that and, and name them. because i mean, as you imply, the journalists have to quit the swivel around what they've been saying for 2 years defending this. uh, this obvious defeat that was coming for nato power is because they seem to try and make out that this wasn't a huge concession when, as you refer to it blinking was saying no, everything crimea will pots of us something to the nato idea. naming the personnel who is general kellogg, the coal and flake defendant, who seemed to be saying only the other day that the, that the there was that so many the of of the sanctions enforcement. he was telling the new york post owned by reuben murder, that sanctions enforcement on rusher only a 3 on
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a scale of one to 10. just tell us who kellogg is and how that goes to support what you're saying about the people around trump, giving him clearly both giving him lies with which to somehow handle this situation . the problem is that people like color are high positions. they have is a general control and you already know they are. they are. yeah, she is the emissary that donald trump chose. he's. he's made very peculiar choices . and the opening days of who will be the power ministry. people, people who are as go astro, built in the country for security and domestic and international for foreign policy . just taking people who nominally have been on the other side of these issues from what he was saying during visual actual campaign. and he has the, the,
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the, the, the expectation to say, will follow his orders and do his bidding. and in that way, by taking people who are not disposed to arrest interpretation, he is going to be able to deal with the, the unit party and congress in a, in a constructive way to have them approved. but here's what he is going to recommend to them. this is a, this is a tactic and may succeed. it may not, mister kellogg is part of this tactic. someone who is not a believer in uh, in uh, finding a, a, an accommodation with russian. not just the, the, the end of the war, but an accommodation with russia, which was on the very beginning, it's clear, mr. trump's intention. and the problem with bull and with trump himself, is that they are mission formed. now there are explanations. i have, i'm on
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a number of different, very reputable, and for j to to interview programs. and my peers who are interviewed separately in these programs are military experts as you a people. and they will come to one conclusion that the 8 c l u and the other intelligence agencies on stage had been feeding to the president and to everyone who has a right to this, this intelligence briefings that are made day by day. they're competing. so i'm essentially, let's say pickup and they pass it along as guides. truth, without any attempt to, to try to find other sources as words the top people, decision makers on this page had been fed, lies and propaganda for the last 3 years by the intelligence agencies. which a, c,
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i, c, i, a, is the most prominent. however, there are problems with bad explanation. and the problems that come up particularly last month or so when the main purveyors of lies and propaganda are mainstream media like to financial times like to new york times have changed their tune and are giving day by day factual information about the ukranian losses about the russian games about the trajectory of the war now leading directly to a russian victory. or if these jeff ever picked up the new york times and throw away the trash they're receiving. let's see. i have, they would be saying very different things. mister trump, mister kellogg. j d events, they all would be saying something different instead with here because the war is terribly costing lives and it's a stalemate. it is not still. so let me just see,
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i would tell you is a search. tell me the news that we get a budget in mainstream. i'm not talking about alternative media. i'm not talking about cheerleaders for russian. i'm talking about mainstream information. so you went to a look essentially, i've noticed that you have to, and of course we know talk a call soon within the white house in the past few days, we know his views and viewed boots in and as being continuously talking about how the narratives in the media are available to american citizens, left alone, the in the totality area and european union way. you where it's banned, talk about the nazis of ukraine, where i t, as i understand is banned where you are. the twitter is banned in the european union. don't allow w o where you are in brussels to receive information. perhaps even that, like the new york times is now printing. and you wouldn't have been allowed to read that a few months ago. hm. well, yes,
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and no. the situation in europe is that they're not quite as vulnerable as because you're testing hard t, as under that, that's clear. but you can watch. i watch the russian news. so every day, uh for interactions and frankly speaking, i just, i know it would. there are a few people out there for no russian. and the point is that the russian news is naturally better than any of the english language productions that archie was putting out the they are they all there are available on, on, on various difficulties difficult for pressing on 50 contracts to access this kind of thing. obviously, and it's easier given the 200 no go to a concept to go to your local library public library way you'll find that mysteriously some books being bullied by the public library. and some art, i think one would give you. but on this idea are sanctions then let's go to this as
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quickly go to sanctions. trump claim that the sanctions there a way of leveraging zalinski and, and then in any kind of seem to be appearing to say no leveraging zelinski over to accept to any terms. but to get these um, detain human, lift the minerals out of ukraine. i think we both know actually then know in ukraine anymore, there in what russia can see it is russia now. so what do you think it'll be wheat fields the scope beside the treasury secretary? was there a head of today's munich summit, as we're talking about fake news, this whole story, which was originally goes back to a to zalesky himself. this was 2 months ago, but he was proposing that to that, to ukraine's mineral wealth, be put on an offer to the stage or to europe as
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a guarantee for the payment of all the equipment that is being delivered to, to you pray. now this was put up then it's now been revived, is never as if it was a new newly discovered idea in the, in the trunk white house. but there's nothing to it. it is simply a smoke and mirrors for, for the unsuspecting and 100 formed public. the discretion has been dealt with on russian talk, chosen by very forward changes experts who have said that, oh yes, please. the, these rap are metals then titanium not just the rivers, but muscles like a genuine vivian, which have great value today. they just didn't ukraine and they're spread out in many different places. so i don't quite agree with you that the whole and the russian sector, maybe 30 percent of us this lift the merchants any are in the say 25
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percent of the land mass of russia just now occupying their what the main point is that this is not a new confidence has just been discovered in the middle of the ocean. ukraine has been around for a long time. it was part of the several journeymen. so we're getting at one of the most of the world's leading, extracted, mineral industries. they, they mind everything imaginable in the russian federation, and they never meant spend much money developing the extraction of these minerals and ukraine for good, really? well, we'll get back cause it's a bad to remember to leave. i will get back to there's a button to because a go with up to are, i'll stop you. the more from the author of does the united states have a future after this, right? the, [000:00:00;00]
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the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the, or the case of the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington as well. so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to be living on campus. that includes propaganda. you know, price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions, ask a better. the answer is, will be the welcome back to going under granted, i'm still here with the author of does rush, i'm a future and for the chairman of the russian book, and let's reprice professor gilbert gulf, tara professor, dr. o,
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we were talking about the minerals in the, the end of thought, one you were saying, actually it's reading the over rag, this idea that it's all in the russian. now, lots of russia happens to be great. there are rarer minerals will trump, uh, get ahold of them. you're saying that there they haven't been really that developed since the developed will came down and before they're worth it. busy because they're not worth developing, and there are many mendoza hold times. they're 100 cards and all kinds spread over the whole group. but there are very few concentrations of where they're extracted and extracted, where's commercially viable is not commercially viable to extract from the ukraine? the geology, such that it doesn't pay to do it, isn't paid to do it. the soviets would have done imaging. so this is how there it is a distraction from the real issue of do we supply adobe supply arms to ukraine?
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and if it's, if the issue is, is advanced, if they say that there's something to, to extract from ukraine, it's only twice an argument to false arguments to justify continuing to send arms to ukraine. and continuing to do to lie about the real state of the war. which is not a stalemate, but intending russian victory an impending ukrainian defeat. but then we should be its relation, but they all items uh, as far as we understand it from the united states, still going there and presumably zelinski and those neo nazis. uh that are part of the forces of ukraine will think. now is the time to increase the amount of a symmetric tire or offensive as the last gossips. as you imply of a losing a of a losing battle. i mean, she'd rush and i'd be expecting more terror attacks. i know there have been
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a since the trump took office, it is always unforeseeable. but you engage in terrorism when you are losing on the battlefield in traditional warfare. so every effort by the ukraine to, to murder a generals, to murder heis, of the founders of the, of the militias in the john bush as they have done the last 2 months. and these are demonstrations of their weakness, not of their strength. the why don't we have to raise izzy capitulation. the russians now are within close distance trip across which is the last major fortified center in the middle of done yes of us to region. and once that is taken, which is likely in the next several weeks, there will be
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a clean dr. just now for river. in the it is in the, the green trips have very little possibility of following back and the building defenses and protect themselves against the coming on smart. this is why the, the crumbling is on willing to a, to proceed to a, him to a cease fire. it is our role, it has taken a long time to reach this momentum, but they're now enjoying and they want to see it through to the end. as the vast majority of russians want to see happen as. yeah, what about then the british, the british being closely involved in the proxy war? not just because you can't be embarrassed. johnson has been in dubai actually this week. uh famously, scott, bring the piece negotiation in turkey, which would have argued be saved, so many lives and effects. he help scale and,
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and so many of those lives. does it have any why the repercussions if us a guess tom or of britain does what? some of the sources are claiming that he would put british soldiers into the conflict. the tags at the boss of the pentagon jumps, most of the pentagon saying you can individually european countries put people in the just know under a nato umbrella. any real repercussions of the mass slaughter of british soldiers in kiev for i live in bots of ukraine because of me, the russians is to go to the mall, or is that just a separate side side, but obviously terrible for the british of these remarks. they start from previous behavior by doors, drugs. they are bravado, they're empty. i'm serious. the russians are laughing up the sleeve ago is the whole ground force of britain is 50000 and the russians have
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no more than a 1000000 men at arms. going close to a 1000000 and a half to speak about the 50000 pound force up there. so that's pretty good. a sell sending some tire on to the to the front. it would be wiped out and then then you would have school would be left to protect britain, a ship, a few policemen. there bobby hatch. this is absurd. this is the, this is the situation back in the, in the, in the iraq war was and the lead lead up to that was that was the, the bridge where the rules to, to the americans. unfortunately, the pro business has moved on and the british today in the personal johnson that now stammered, they are the attack dogs. they are, they have moved headed out in front of the united states. them and they are exposing himself to the other hatred in contempt of the russians. um the
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uh, if there were to go to be an escalation person has a bose. i written all over the trump could tell them to go. trump doesn't seem to have much time for the current british government. i should just say the british people thankfully, like in so many other european countries of these leaders have very little political capital. we which to deploy huge numbers of troops to the east crying to yes, this is for empty talk to the europeans. 25 of the 27 european leaders are conformist and cowards and they're shaking in their books today as to what the americans will do. if america pulls out a supporting ukraine and says, boys, george, they know very well that they will drop football. they have no ability to provide equipment, provide manpower to provide the air covered. and the intelligence in
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real time intelligence that has been provided button stage. in short, they are unable to assist ukraine in any significant way. absent american participation, there are 2 out of 27 nash leaders who are the head of the rush in facing reality. and they are not friends approaching. they are simply really so the, the meeting that took place last weekend between the, the, this, all right. or these years of your which includes of course the read, but then i saw the need from literally, uh they have take it in cards from the positions of donald trump. and so there is a bit more distance as high levels within europe. i think as a matter of,
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of the year term is airport crack. finally, since everyone is now running for cover in the stations of mr. trump started aggression plans for, for a revising trade relations with yet there's a lot of wonder sacrifice with a crack. what does that revised they made and that people's made with the increasing hazing costs and inflation and so on. i should, i should say that is on the, the usa of a future. the written as a collection of essays is, does russia have a future rest? you're obviously believes or the russian government does that come out of this terrible proxy war has come advantages because of the sanctions because of the new links to china and iran into india and so on. of course. uh i, i have to just find the revo. bailey, by asking you about how refreshing your thought is that trump ended the aerial bombardment of gaza and the actual kinetic of genocide, at least for
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a few weeks since he was came into office. and then refreshingly explains that it's about as a cleansing. how does united the entire world against the policies of say, they feel policies as regards palestine? israel, here in the u. a allied to saudi arabia read, you have to rush it to china to everyone is now on board for realizing that the zionist project is a lead full and despicable one. i started to draw any conclusions about what the trunk is doing well, planning. as i said, he's a master showman and he has his own understanding of how because she ation should be prepared as one thing to say yes, he did wonders in not ending to be the very bottom bottom chickasha. my god, i think i'm with now people are watching this of us. we have to say that it might
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be just normal. that's. that was a standard to see that he managed to, to achieve a cease fire. and he was receiving bus a to is that he has put a from yet on the plans of natural gas to attack you wrong? the relationship in the wrong. oh, oh not sorry. oh, i was personally. okay. that's barely said now it's rich from the trumpet, ministration. today a wrong one of those sessions. the say i'll give you may have been is me a ring and government that say no, we will never negotiate with the trump administration. as far as i understand it, that's the runs position because there's no point in believing donald trump, because donald trump was the man who was, who's crying about killing the general to the money could be the man who successfully defeated isis. how give me, as i believe in the country, i believe that there were background sparks change. i run and washington and the
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stage around was very awful. not just the president of the they supreme leader is full for the face with a lead to a accommodations. nice place, according to the conference station that goes back to 1980, i addressed an proceedings or something back to the president does ask if need be or i'll give you the argument fun for that is the nature of the long term comprehension. part question that russia conflict for the wrong a couple of weeks ago, we all expected that that was, i think it's a component of national defense. she didn't. and the fact that it was asked was by up this understanding of both my strong entry what the state was about to be an accommodation of some sort, christy nonsense. and then it was appropriate to do the best of that to have
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a military alliance between rough do well. so there was the expectation, regrettably, mr. try entered into this plan in the construction. oh, well i got the owner time shop proceeding to do to go to say about the wrong, the same as he has done in advance of negotiations with this approach. we impose a more draconian sanctions on you and then you will come and the go shared with us . and we will do. we'll do some positions for thanks back, which is obvious attempt, regrettably, it doesn't work regrettably for him. i'd say at the moment for the right page, do you mean mars? i'll try, we have to return to river had the time we'll have direct and do is hopefully we won't be will by then, or these the united states will be it will by then professor, you'll go to our thank you. now that's all that's it for the show will be back on monday to us cable is the a and us state department of visual how far trump is again being undermined from
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inside his own administration. and he'll then you can keep in touch my role as social media or if it's not sense in your country or need adult sense of but you don't musk otherwise. what's going on? you have to be able to come to watch, new and old episodes are going underground. see monday
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the the history scott, you missed school curriculum. that's why i decided not let me set itself up. one was in which is stuck in the truth of what really happened yet, and he's one of the, the demons. so just bear with the weather wasn't taking the picture. they were proud of the most of the,

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