[000:00:00;00] the, the us delegation, the head, to saudi arabia for high level talks with russian envoy. it's the 1st meeting of its kind of between representatives of washington and moscow since the train cost, which you were up to 3 years ago. what was the situation with the previous administration? no dialogue war until the end. that was the official position of a previous administration that moscow, the expressive optimism about the potential for talks with donald trump to resolve the prices and you crate. the crab being says it's open to discussing the us president's proposal, adoptive,

there was no willingness from washington's previous administration. interesting question about key evidences present. they could not be any or special discussion about ukraine without a direct involvement. but donald trump suggests that he's absolutely ok with the landscaping absence from the negotiating table in costa neal diplomacy. you know, just sort of that in security uh, the security confidence that you use left line sided at the munich meeting of the washington scolded brussels over its approach to democracy. the threat that i worry the most about face of the year of is not russia. it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat that from within the retreat of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of

america. the redwood continuing coverage of the latest trends. shifting the world right now, this is already to national. i a, michael push it. all right, now we stop, we some breaking news on the conflict thing. you train us delegation is leaving later today for saudi arabia to hold ports of russian representatives about it's the fuss such high level meeting between the countries in years not the news was confirmed by donald trump special envoy to ukraine. steve woodcock, and it's set to be a game that building trust with moscow. the russian side has yet to make a public statement about the potential gathering. i don't want to talk too much about that ends specifically, maria, but i am going to night i'll be traveling there. ready the national city. ready the advisor and we'll be having meetings at the direction of the president and hopefully we'll, we'll,

we'll make some really good progress with regard to russia. ukraine. well, let's cross live to ortiz, i'm not sufficient, although do you not joining me right now? not, yeah. what do we know about this situation so far? well, mike's not a lot of details at the moment. we've actually already heard from washington, so i saw a small square hasn't come into the yet. and we could only guess who's going to be on that negotiating team list. but yesterday, actually, blue book named a few american delegation is supposed to be led by the us national security advice that my quotes i'm special envoy to the middle middle east. steve, which gulf and west coast actually noted that the 1st state of twigs will focus on building trusts between us and russia. and this resonated with what pascals stated audi. a motion to say no, this is

a powerful signal and we will now attempt to solve the problems through dialogue. we will talk about peace, not war. what was the situation with the previous administration? no dialogue war until the end. that was the official position of a previous administration. judging by president trump statements, we resolve problems through dialogue. no more. we need peace. this position should appeal more to any reasonable person or state. and you don't need the ease, you know, you know, ukraine will attend the saudi arabia summit as initially expected as trump, during a phone call with putin emphasize he wants to meet with putin. in particular, as trump has an understanding on how putin views the conflicts in ukraine, and now we hop have will say mocker rubio. he said to david keith and brussels will, will be bolt into the process on off to what's because 1st and foremost,

it's all about the tools between most good on washington. all right, nice. yeah. what about ukraine and major european powers? are they going to participate? right now yeah, as i've just said, need of the, you know, ukraine have been invited as initially expected us trump wanted to meet with peyton in particular as early as he knows how, how he's the conflicts in ukraine. and now as i've also mentioned, we have bulk or very b. o. he said earlier, the cuban brussels will be built into this process later on. uh, because fosters and full my state. so about the talks between most kind of washington president trump ran. he was very clear, he thinks this war needs to end, and if he sees an opportunity to end it, which is what he's looking for. whether there is an opportunity or not, we're going to pursue it. ultimately, it will reach a point when, if it's real negotiations and we're not there yet, but if that were to happen, ukraine will have to be involved because they're the one that was invited and the

europeans will have to be involved because they have sanctions on poaching. and rusher as well, and they've contributed to this effort. we're just not there yet. we really aren't, but hopefully we will be because we don't like to see this war and the i'm, you know, according to a fox news um john, this, you crane was not invited to the tool to the saudi arabia. a citing a high ranking sewell's official, sorry, who specified, but i actually, ukraine was nor invited new or informed about the upcoming negotiations. um, zaleski will sa consent, that uh, that was the invitation that he's received. and he's also quote, the meeting between mazda and washington a bit strange as know, similar to looks what, how it, which we in the ukraine and it's a strategic process. um and you know,

it's in the ironic moment here because of seeking us from announced his intentions to who talks with lot of met brewton. as soon as he said that he had a state visit to re add on that. and you know, of seems a bit of like a coincidence, right, and report to see his economy. minnesota is ready and re add, preparing for holding meetings and preparing the visit. but once again, it's ironic. how's the lensky? well is feeling left out in the 5th. because you know, trump actually all the way spaces about to you create such and all of this. all right, now t of constantly says no, you're creating 12. so without you create, what about this time? yeah, you know, as i've just mentioned, um soleski said that he was newer invited. he hasn't received an invitation to this . and it's an ironic moment here,

because as soon as trump announced his his intentions to meet with russian president vladimir putin as the landscape. we'll see, said they, he's, he has a planned visit to saudi arabia and, but apparently his economy ministers already that holding to express hiring the meeting. and once again, it's ironic because how savanski and all of this is really feeling left out. i'm just trying to get involved to know that the big toes between as russia and the us . but, you know, as of so already said i'm trying to all the way has stated, has mentioned actually has been open. sorry about you, chris foot, and all of this you finish are sitting question. i think they have to make peace that people are being killed and i think they have to make peace. we said that was not

a good war to go into and i think they have to make peace. that's what i take. no, i don't think so as long as he's there. but you know, at some point you're gonna have to have elections to. you're gonna have to have it . i can just keep you to go to most of the skin, which you can negotiate with anyone. but zalinski is illegitimate. he has no right to sign anything. but if he wants to take part in the negotiations, i will send people who will conduct these negotiations. the issue is the final signing of the documents. this is a very serious issue that should guarantee security for ukraine and russia with a serious long term historical perspective. so, you know, from all of this, we are seeing a huge shift on the geo political landscape. but to be really sure, if that will have to wait and see how everything is going to be unfolding or wide, the whole world ways to see what comes out now or to correspond, unless the cfo do, you know, joining us right now. thank you so much. for bringing us up to speed. right,

let's get some more reaction to all this now in cross live to former director of it's a governmental a fast to the us trade representative steve. gail, steve is good to have you join me now. so now it's all, 1st of all the us and russia will be meeting in saudi arabia. how would you assess the face of the developments that been unfolding for the last 7 days? it was that very rapid and i think very uh, something to be very optimistic about. you cannot resolve conflict if you're not talking, having conversations about how to resolve the conflict. and i think that we haven't seen that over the last several years was divided administration, but under president trump reaching out and now beginning the conversation with president food and the russians, i think there's a real pathway to find you not only piece, but also better prosperity, for all the nations involved, i do think it's kind of ironic that you have present zalinski complaining about being cut out of these. go see ations when he pushed the legislation in ukraine to

make it illegal for him to negotiate with russia. so now i guess he's complaining that he can't break the law by being involved in the go see ations. i think the other irony here is that the presence of lensky has been bad mouth in the united states. talking trash about the us when they're not doing exactly what he wants to do. not sending more money, more weapons to ukraine after he just boston and backtracked on his agreement to, to provide about a half $1000000000.00 in resources to the us to help pay back the humanitarian aid in the military. a that's been provided to them. so, i think presents lensky when he has canceled the elections and is now saying they don't need to have elections. of people in your brain don't want elections. that's the logic president trump. uh, there are at odds reprise the drop when they're refusing to, to pay back the money and munitions that the u. s. has put in place and then for planning about not being it's and it goes using table and the let's see,

made it illegal for him to be that it goes to the agent. they will. so i, the president, trump is making the wise decision. we're going to move forward with adults in the room at some point, very well involved. so let's see. and you're right. all right, now the us team heading to re, i doesn't assume to include keith carol gould fund, but pointed eskew special. russia, you create envoy. what are you making of this? well, i think i keep kellogg because i sort of changed his tone and tenor in the last 24 to 48 hours. he has not been in mind with the, with president trump's position on your brain with what we're hearing from j advanced was what we're hearing from these hands. if you're a general kellogg is sort of in an outlier. i think some of his language in the last 24 to 48 hours is more in line with president trump, i think present from his wife's and people to get this negotiated to in the cottage to, to move us perhaps towards ending the sites and getting back to good positive relations between the us and russia,

and then bring you in as well. because as that was pointed out earlier, there are also sanctions on russia from the european union, both on individuals is as well as the countryside. the president trump, is the adamant about moving forward with his team all being on the same page of the playbook. anybody who's not on board, he's got to be left out. all right, not good kids is complaining about being left out of the meeting morrow, but it's now working on is the last is suddenly announced a visit to, to the united kingdom, all to the king, the right. what do you make called the timing a little uh too light uh to little again. yeah, i get his language last 2448 hours has not been a sounds like someone who is wanting to resolve the conflict is asking for more weapons is indicating he's ready to launch new offences. i don't think that anything he's saying, or frankly, some of the leadership in western europe or say, would actually promote a pathway to peace and prosperity. and i think that's one of the reasons that both

the you leadership and as a lesbian self are being left out, they would not contribute anything towards moving this forward in a positive way at this point. and i think once we see a bit of a framework of how to resolve this conflict, then they may be invited to sit at the table and, and help put it into place. uh yeah, now the side to, to a stage said 1st washington and moscow would settled the bi lateral issues and then that would lead to you that you created in europe, join the talks. what kind of a diplomatic blow is that the key of and brussels? well, i think it makes it clear that the president trump is in charge. it's actually present pollutants that just a week or so ago that soon, the western european nations and nato would be kneeling and wagging their tail at the fees of president trump. it certainly looks like that when you listen to some of their, their rhetoric, they are being dragged, kicking and screaming towards piece. and i don't think president trump is going to tolerate that sort of uh, of effort to,

to blow up any potential deal that might be reached. again, it is very early. the conversations are literally just beginning. but i think the conversation is the 1st step towards resolving not only the military conflict, but also some of the economic and, and policy conflicts that have, it makes things more difficult the last several years as well. so what all, we have to leave you here. now, for my director of the to governmental affairs to the us trade representative, steve gills, thank you for your insight. thank spelt, it was supposed to be a show of unity by the west, but in the wake of old aga, but instead of recrimination at the munich, you were to come from this unity would perhaps be the more appropriate i would. but as the gathering wrapped up delegates was still trying to put on a brief face. this has been coughing me of diplomacy, you know, the sort of people being quite to have top ben shock than the rest of it. but once

we get over us, the prime minister of iceland said from the shock, what do we need to do? we need to listen what the americans are, say that for me on this, i'm going to this to do a, by all to contribute to rachel mazda. rachel is love to have you join me in the studio. now, it's surprising what's going on, but can you walk us through what really happened on what went down and what went down as exactly what they knew was absolutely not expecting these summits like the munich security conference, like the a i summit for europe that j, the vans the vice president, united states was also speaking at a little bit earlier in the week. these things are only just very routine, quite big news fast actually. and um, normally kind of the talking points are worked out in advance. they're almost always on the same page. it's not supposed to be a roast of the americans, or i'm, i'm the europeans by the americans,

which is essentially what we're seeing at, at both of these events. so for example, j. d events got up at the a i summit in paris with french president, emmanuel. and michael and queen ursula vander lined the president of the european commission, both of the audience and he started talking about you over regulation in his estimation of digital digital realm. and then he segue it into speaking about the use sensor shift of the digital realm under the guise of controlling misinformation. and while he was saying that, i remember watching in the camera pans, and michael and also to vander line. and they were kind of looking around kind of like 2 dogs, sewage just, you know, destroyed the couch cushions and were a little bit worried that they might be getting a walk on the nose with the guy with the newspaper. and i got the newspaper was j d that standing there, i'm marching them over that and he actually went on to do it yet again on that same

topic. and more few days later, at the munich security conference, tablets of the threat that i worry the most about visa, the europe is not russia. it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within the retreat of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of america style struck that of a former european commissioner went on television recently and sounded delighted that the romanian government had just an old and entire election. he warned that if things don't go to plan, the very same thing could happen in germany too. now these cavaliers statements are shocking to american ears, or i would also spins advanced. did. yesterday was the stand on the side of addictive tauriel regime. and to say europe, germany, you are to tell a terry in states is aren't use and that really has,

are welling and aspects of stuff. we create our coalition ourselves. be sure it's none of his business. and as so, yeah, tough guy, a connie minister of germany, robert had back there and also the vice chancellor of germany telling off judy vance not to his face at the conference, but on a pod cast. and i'm sure he'll be listening to that and following along very closely. so what's going on here is that, you know, instead of standing up to the previous administration, previous american administration and a, standing up for their energy sovereignty and ending up the after the industrialized . and his dad's as j, the vans admonished germany for doing right in front of their faces at that munich security conference. these guys, they just kind of are saying, well, you know, how many years now were standing up for, for democracy and freedom that all these things that they really couldn't be bothered standing up to the, by the administration for and judy, that's interesting. there, he's bringing up

a chevy book of don't. who is the former internal markets commissioner at the e u. and he went on french media in a live interview, and he flat out, started bragging about the fact that the you can do what it wants with certain results of certain and favorable elections like with romania. and thereby referring to this idea that the populist agronomist ph. d, who is very pro farming at a time when farming is a huge issue in romania and be pro ukrainian policies are absolutely destroying the farmer's markets in romania. the fact that he won the 1st round of those presidential elections, it was such a big shock that you know, they were grappling around looking for a reason why that might have occurred in the intelligence community. and romania came up with this story about everything. this major multi tens of thousands of dollars worth of ad money in going into

a tick tock campaign that seemed to favor the populace and a who ended up with a shocked when and ultimately what vance didn't mention there. but it's important to underscore as that goes beyond the criticism, but that's levels there. so it's the intelligence community and romania and the you backing them on this? the said, yeah, okay, this is true. and now this is, this is a justification we're looking at. you know, the russians getting caught red handed, manipulating, and election in reality, as political and other west impressive reported. it was a romanian, investigative media outlets that found after the elections has a castle that, that was not anything to do with the russians at all. or any kind of for him meddling. it turns out that the center, right, establishment tardy had purchased that ad campaign themselves. according to this romanian investigative outlet that's been picked up there, who's reporting has been picked up all over the west now. and they were someone

competence they lacked the still of a basic teenager on social media of ended up having their hash tag for that multi $1000.00 campaign, or $200000.00 campaign. i think it was the thing j. d. that said, it was hijacked by the populist, rightly opposition. and that obviously served you know, the, their, um, their opponent. so it wasn't the russians in that case. it was just western incompetent. sounds familiar, right? so to speaking of which apparently the envoys that trump had sent to this conference in munich, a general catalogue or one of his own voice. he, um, he had said earlier that with respect to where this is all going and in, sorry, ray, be with the next phase of negotiations with hopefully ultimately, or who are heading towards direct had they had discussion between president puts in

president trump probably within the next couple of weeks before ramadan ends up unfolding in saudi arabia and everything kind of shuts down. prior to that he said, you know, we really don't need these pounds. the you are ukraine at negotiating table and they can come to the table. but probably the candy table over there in the corner. so what's interesting now is the secretary of state marco rubio has now kind of contradict to that and said europe and ukraine will be part of peace talks. let's have a listen to the kind of contradicting discussions that are happening in, in front of on the world stage for everyone to see on, on the american side. can you, can you a show this audience the ukrainians will be at the table? and europeans will be at the table where you just change the whole dynamic. pardon or victor, thanks for having us today. i appreciate the answer that last question, just you framed it? the answer is no. the answer to the earlier part of the questions. yes,

of course. you can use are going to be at the table. one of the things i'm driving towards is, but our philosophy is not to continue this war to the death of over the last ukrainian. the intent is to kill stop the carnage. stop the war, make sure it's reasonable, making sure the sovereignty stays intact. are all right, so the finish for our minister. so the, any of this report that we're watching right now that this is all very messy and well, you know, diplomacy is messy and it's not in a straight line. the only way it ends up being anything other than that is when everybody is in agreement on propagating the same. talking points in the past, which is again what these conferences typically are and what we're absolutely not seeing here. this is real diplomacy happening in real time, so you have catalog contradict during marco rubio and it doesn't mean that there hasn't been something that occurred between those 2 statements made by those gentlemen. but again, it's a big question mark over whether or not the,

the you or to what extent that you will be involved with these negotiations. i mean, they've been holding their own little kind of side summits ahead of this particular conference, for example. specifically, there was one in paris just before i left paris to come out here in moscow. they were all meeting there and it was, they were setting the stage. they said for an eventual piece agreement as though they were running the adults table. i'm not realizing the. c it seems that trump and puts in, we're also having a conversation and they'd already kind of done the casting and their casting was for as a 2 man show, not for a, a clown troop involving the typical jokers at the you. so let's just have a listen to uh, one of them right now. actually i am amy working day by austin my stuff. what have i done today to have the printer have identity?

not really because in this fight for a year of a future, for them very constant is a freedom for low security. see, you must or we would move news problem by fee me. but obviously the european party of war, the liberal mainstream, will try to do everything in its power to fight disagreement. let's not be now. you've that. yeah, well i mean that's part of the course when it comes to that you all, you have to supply tubes and for 2 signaling, just non stop virtue signaling. and that's again, that's not diplomacy. so what we're looking at now is very messy diplomacy playing out in real time and you, it's kind of been relegated for the time being to the, to the table. and it's not really sure at this point whether they will be involved or not. mark rubio has said yes, you know, calm down over there cuz they're yelling and screaming and freaking out that, you know, we might not be involved in this. and,

and then other american officials have made noise that the pentagon chief p tags, that's one of my former colleagues at fox news. i can't even believe he's the guy now, but all right, so he's kind of doing is a bit of a talk for routine in the sense that he stands up there and he's very direct, very blunt about what's going on. and he's trying to give certain he and inspire, i think some kind of confidence. but sometimes maybe he ends up being a little too certain when things are in flux. and one of the things that he says is that the us will not have troops in your brain, and europeans should have troops a new grade. and so, you know, that's something that obviously the, you would probably have to be brought in on. it's there is going to be some kind of agreement that involves european troops in ukraine, particularly if they're only going to be there to watch us extract

their resources from under vladimir zalinski and the premiums fee, which looks like a is what happens to be shaping up based on what zalinski recently said, let's have a list of young adults b stone. i did not allow the ministers to sign the relevant agreement because it is not yet ready in my opinion, to protect us and our interests for me. it is very important to talk about investments in ukraine, and this should be written out legally and correctly. and it is an investment. and you can think about how to distribute the profits from it. if all this is connected with security guarantees, i don't see this connection in the document yet. alright, so he's not freaking out. it doesn't look like they're over just the mere idea of the us, demanding ukraine's resources as payback for their investment to date, which ultimately has landed in the american economy. because all those weapons that

have been manufactured for ukraine really has benefited the american economy. even zalinski himself has said in the past that only about 10 percent of those that promise military aid is actually ended up on the front line. so now the americans are coming out of the resources and again, he seems kind of caught about that for some reason. he also has said that he wants more money. that's a big shock. he's use this conference is another opportunity for fundraising to kind of shake the 10 top and um yeah let's, i've listen to him doing that. but then we can say that north america, money, good us 25250 billions, which are here. you are cross and russian is no onto. and his grand idea which the e. u has been all in favor of so far, at least is just to take the the interest earned on russian assets held in

the west held in europe to skim off that profit and just hand it right over dividers being zalinski and now kaya callous. who's the relatively new chief diplomat of a blog is been one of the primary advocates for not only just skimming the prophets and giving them to zalinski, but stealing those russian assets altogether in their entirety. and just giving those right over to frame too. so again, when g d is that says at this munich conference, that the e u is violating basic values that it purports to batch like freedom and democracy. it's also kind of violating the rules of the free market by doing this. and it seems like they're always trying to push the envelope and see what they can get away with. so this will be really interested to watch where and all those really interesting, i'm a say is a whole other drama. but what, what to see how these things pat out. all right,