uses into the english lexicon. the us delegation had to saudi arabia for high level talks with russian envoys. it's the 1st meeting of its kind between representatives of washington and moscow. since the train come pick you up to 3 years ago. what was the situation with the previous administration? no dialogue war until the end. that was the official position of a previous administration. moscow expressed this optimism about the potential for pulse with donald trump to resolve the prices in ukraine. of the kremlin says it's open to discussing the us president's proposal after the was no willingness from washington's previous administration.

interesting question. n p. evans, this said big can not be a new or special discussion about your trade without a direct involvement. quite donald trump suggest that he's absolutely ok with the last to be absent from the negotiating table. and this has been coughing me of diplomacy, you know, just sort of in security of the security conference that'd be us left line sided at the munich meeting after washington. scolded crossover, its approach to democracy. the threat that i worry the most about visa, the europe, is not russia, it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within the retreats of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of america. russia says 0 directly ignoring kia, of war crimes,

and next off of the use some different mice. planes that you've created never targets russian civilian the the why do watching our teach national reaching you live for me on you said to read moscow. i a michael porter and i always thought some breaking news right now. the conflicting ukraine or us delegation, is leaving the late that today for saudi arabia to hold ports with the russian representative. it's the 1st such high level meeting between countries in years. the news was confirmed by donald from special envoy to the middle east display of woodcock, and it's set to be a building trusts with moscow or the russian side has yet to make a public statement about the potential meeting. i don't want to talk too much about that ends specifically, maria, but i am going to night i'll be traveling there. ready the national,

secure. ready the advisor and we'll be having meetings at the direction of the president and hopefully we'll, we'll, we'll make some really good progress with regard to russia. ukraine. let's cross now live to our, to use on us. takes you up. i loved you, not joining me right now. not yeah, what do we know so far about what's going on as well. mike's notes, a lot of details, say, slides with a hud from washington mosca how sons commented at yet. and we could only guess who's going to be on, on the negotiating teams list. but actually yesterday, bloomberg named a few and americans delegation will be led by us national security advisor mike waltz and a special uh and boy for the middle east. a steve uh, width, golf, and actually width of noted, uh the, the 1st stage of tweaks will focus on building trusts between the united states and

russia. and this resonated with what kremlin spikes pass and treat me 3 pascals as stated. that the motion is, you know, this is a powerful signal and we will now attempt to solve the problems through dialogue. we will talk about peace, not war. what was the situation with the previous administration? no dialogue war until the end. that was the official position of a previous administration. judging by president trump statements, we resolved problems through dialogue. no more. we need peace. this position should appeal more to any reasonable person or state you to by myself. what about ukraine and major european powers? i've been going to participate. and this is the interesting moment here, because me the, the, you know, you craig will actually attend the saudi arabia summit, as trump actually cheering a phone call with lynette page. and earlier this week, emphasized that she wants to meet with bruton. in particular, as trump has

a some sort of understanding on how to apply them, that putin views the conflict in ukraine. and now we also have multi rubio. he said earlier, the key of and brussels will actually be brought into the price as off towards because 1st and foremost, it's all about tools between moscow. washington president trump ran. he was very clear, he thinks this war needs to end. and if he sees an opportunity to end it, which is what he's looking for, whether there is an opportunity or not, we're going to pursue it. ultimately, it will reach a point when, if it's real negotiations and we're not there yet. but if that were to happen, ukraine will have to be involved because they're the one that was invited and the europeans will have to be involved because they have sanctions on putin and rusher as well. and they've contributed to this effort. we're just not there yet. we really aren't, but hopefully we will be because we don't like to see this war. and so the key of

constantly says that no, you're creating 12 so that you created, talk to us about that. what about this time? well, according to a to a fox news john the list, ukraine was not invited to the talks and saudi arabia, citing a high ranking ukrainian official who actually specified that ukraine was not invited nor informed about the upcoming negotiations. as the landscape also concerns that that will snow invitation that he has received. he's also called the meeting between most and washington. i'm a bit strange as those similar talks what held between the t of on it's at circle, strategic partners before. and you know, if this seems to be ironic and i rumble, i want a moment to, as soon as like as a soon as trump announced his intentions to meet with the russian president. as the last he said, he actually had a state visit to saudi arabia, which obviously is just a coincidence of course,

and reportedly his economy. minnesota is ready in free ads, holding meetings on preparing everything for the visits. and once again, i wanted house to landscape while feeling left out is still trying hard to get involved and everything. and you know, but all of this, um, a trump, actually all the way has been open about, uh, ukraine's foot in wolf. this um, interesting question. uh, i think they have to make peace that people are being killed and i think they have to make peace. your i showed that was not a good war to go into and i think they have to make peace. that's what i think though i don't think so as long as he's there. but, you know, at some point you're gonna have to have election to, you're gonna have to have to just keep you to go to most of the skin,

which you can negotiate with anyone. but zalinski is illegitimate. he has no right to sign anything. but if he wants to take part in the negotiations, i will send people who will conduct these negotiations. the issue is the final signing of the documents. this is a very serious issue that should guarantee security for ukraine and russia with a serious long term historical perspective. and you know, uh the a and b c interview actually t mountain which celeste, he claims that if there was a real plan to resolve the conflict key of what us being invited, what is the trump administration's piece plan? do they have one look for? well, 1st of all, i've seen no they, they don't have a real down because they come have it without us sizing. so maybe then there are some ideas that your, some ideas about the economy, how to secure economy, how to invest. we spoke mostly about teeth with the weiss president,

i think security guarantees told today the question of the president. with all respect, twice president box, it's about more to president because he's the president of the united states and he is a leader of may 2 and each man that lives are all security allies. so, you know, from all of this, we are in sight seeing a huge shift on the geological landscape. but you know, once again to be sure of that, we'll have to wait and see why if we really have to wait and see our to curse. but in that case, you have followed you, not joining me right this, thank you. bye. so for my director of into the governmental a fast to the us trade representative, steve gal believes that the talks in saudi arabia will quickly be effort. you cannot resolve conflict if you're not talking, having conversations about how to resolve the conflict. and i think that we haven't seen that over the last several years was divided ministration,

but under president trump reaching out and now beginning the conversation with president food and the russians, i think there's a real pathway to find you not only piece, but also better prosperity, for all the nations involved, i do think it's kind of ironic that you have the presence of lensky complaining about being cut out of these next. go see ations when he pushed the legislation in ukraine to make it illegal for him to negotiate with russia. so now, i guess he's complaining that he can't break the law by being involved in that goes, he ations. i think the other irony here is that the presence of lensky has been bad mouth in the united states. talking trash about the us when they're not doing exactly what he wants to do. not sending more money, more weapons to ukraine after he just boston and backtracked on his agreement to, to provide about a half $1000000000.00 in resources to the us to help pay back the humanitarian aid in the military. a that's been provided to them. so,

i think presence lensky when he has canceled the elections and is now saying they don't need to have elections. of people in your brain don't want to elections. that's uh, president trump there at odds reprise, or trump, when they're refusing to, to pay back the money and munitions that the u. s. has put in place and then complaining about not being it and it goes to asian table and the, let's see, made it illegal for him to be that it goes to the agent. they will. so i think president trump is making the wise decision. we're going to move forward with adults in the room, and at some point they will involve. so let's see, and you're trying but it was supposed to be a show of unity by the west, but in the wake of all the arguments and rep from a nation that the munich secuity conference, this unity would perhaps be the more appropriate word to describe what happened but as the gathering wrapped up delegates, westfield trying to put on a brave face this has been coughing me of diplomacy, you know, the sort of people being quite to have top ben shock than the rest of it. but once

we get over us, the prime minister of iceland said from the shock, what do we need to do? we need to listen what the americans are saying. what went down is exactly what they knew was absolutely not expecting. these summits like the munich security conference, like the a i summit for europe, that j, the vans, the vice president, united states was also speaking at a little bit earlier in the week. these things are only just very routine, quite big news, fast actually. and normally, kind of the talking points are worked out in advance, they're almost always on the same page. it's not supposed to be a roast of the americans, or i'm, i'm the europeans by the americas, which is essentially what we're seeing, that at both of these events, the threats that i worry, the most about visa, the europe, is not russia. it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within

the retreat of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of america. style struck could of a former european commissioner went on television recently and sounded delighted that the romanian government had just an old and entire election. he warned that as things don't go to plan, the very same thing could happen in germany too. now these cavaliers statements are shocking to american ears, or i would also spins advanced it yesterday was the stand on the side of the dick tutorial regime. and just say europe, germany, you are to tell a terry in states is on use and that really has are well he and aspects. so we create our coalition ourselves, just be sure it's none of his business. and as a everything. yeah, tough guy, a carney minister of germany. robert had back there and also the vice chancellor of germany telling off judy vance not to his face at the conference, but on

a pod cast. i'm sure he'll be listening to that and following along very closely. so what's going on here is that, you know, instead of standing up to the previous administration, previous american administration and the, standing up for their energy sovereignty and ending up the street. the industrialize instead. so as j, the vans admonished germany for doing right in front of their faces at that munich security conference. these guys, any they just kind of are saying, well, you know, how many years now were standing up for news for democracy and freedom that all these things that they really couldn't be bothered standing up to the, by the administration for apparently on the, on the way that trump had sent to this conference in munich, general kellogg, or one of his own voice. he, um, he had said earlier that with respect to where this is all going and inside the re

be with the next phase of negotiations with hopefully ultimately, or who are heading towards direct had they had discussion between president puts in president trump probably within the next couple of weeks before ramadan ends up unfolding in saudi arabia and everything kind of shuts down. prior to that he said, you know, we're going to need these pounds. the, you are ukraine at negotiate table and they can come to the table. but probably the candy table over there in the corner. what's interesting now is the secretary of state marco rubio has now kind of contradict that and said europe and ukraine will be part of peace talks. let's have a listen to the kind of contradicting discussions that are happening in, in front of on the world stage for everyone to see on, on the american side. can you, can you a show this audience the ukrainians will be at the table? and europeans will be at the table where you just change the whole dynamic program

over there to thanks for having us today. i appreciate the answer that last question, just you framed it? the answer is no. the answer to the earlier part of the question is yes, of course you can use are going to be at the table. the finish for our master set at the ending of this report that we're watching right now, that this is all very messy and well, you know, diplomacy is messy and it's not in a straight line. the only way it ends up being anything other than that is when everybody is in agreement on propagating the same, talking points in the past, which is again what these conferences typically. all right, we're absolutely not saying here. this is real diplomacy happening in real time. so you have catalog contradict during marco rubio, and it doesn't mean that there hasn't been something that occurred between those 2 statements made by those gentlemen. but again, it's a big question mark over whether or not the, the you or to what extent that you will be involved in these negotiations. i mean, they've been holding their own little kind of side summits ahead of this particular

conference, for example. specifically, there was one in paris just before i left paris to come out here in moscow. they were all meeting there and it was, they were setting the stage. they said for an eventual piece agreement as though they were running the adults table. i'm not realizing that it seems that trump and puts in we're also having a conversation and they'd already kind of done the cast day and their casting was for as a 2 man show. not for a, a clown. troops involving the typical jokers at the u. i n by austin my stuff. what have i done today? and you have the printer have identity not really because in this fight for a year of a future, for them very consensus of freedom for low security c. ukrainian or we wouldn't move problem by fee. any,

but obviously the european party of war, the liberal mainstream will try to do everything in his power to fight disagreement . let's not be now. you've it. yeah, well i mean that's part of the course when it comes to the you all, you had to supply tubes and virtually signaling, just non stop virtu, signaling and that's, again, that's not diplomacy. so what we're looking at now is very messy diplomacy playing out in real time and you, it's kind of been relegated for the time being to the, to the table. it's not really sure at this point whether they will be involved or not. mark rubio has said yes, you know, calm down over there cuz they're yelling and screaming and freaking out that, you know, we might not be involved in this. so again, when ged that says at this munich conference, that the e u is violating basic values that it purports to back like freedom and democracy. it's also kind of violating the rules of

a free markets by doing this. and it seems like they're always trying to push the envelope and see what they can get away with. so this will be really interesting for watch where it all goes. all right, let's change gears now. ukrainian grow and strike is snaps. 3 people dead in rushes belgrade. reaching out to the car the way traveling in was hit and that's according to the local authorities. it's the 1st such attack on civilians despite the use foreign policy chief insisting that keeps troops, never target non competence. well, when it comes to russia and ukraine, you know, the differences that the russian civilians are not dying. i mean rice and children, then we were not dying. it's so which is on the ground, the further territory when you are occupied, then it doesn't mean you know, in words, you have peace, but it doesn't mean that the human suffering was stop. and that is the something that we need to work for. all right,

let's cross now live to the yes can join are to use roman costs are of joining me right now. so roman the statement by the use for him policy chief as cost. quite a reaction, hasn't it? as well kind of callous seems to be absolutely clear this as the 3 civilians were killed in belgrade region, this sounds a alone while it's really difficult to comment on such an outright and belief in the law. i, especially when the person who sees the sly is an actual head of the entire european diplomacy. she said it would have smiled though how obviously trying to be cubes, which it looks to be her only fort say when the cameras are on the substance of what's coming out of her, of her mouth is so far from reality as she is probably from diplomacy and kind of calluses, this statement is generally in line with the west. and so i are approached over the last decade or so, where they would turn

a blind side to any atrocities committed by the key of regime against the russians . taking of some kind of person in such a position, not know that the key every team is committing terrorist acts against civilians, children, women and socially vulnerable groups know. and as they say, we know, they know, can a person with the authority and that knowledge lie like that? yes, tell us does. for the last few days, all the leaders have been screaming all over the place that they absolutely need to keep their seat at the negotiating table. callous cuts their hopes at the root. how can you talk seriously? with those who have declared lies is their official position. well, a judging from all that happens at the unit goes security conference is probably safe to say that's kind of calluses fantasies. those cynical and having nothing to do with the reality or a desperate attempt to stake a claim in the upcoming talks between bosco and the washington. all right,

so tell us more about the attacks on russian civilians by keeps forces as well. that sausage is committed by the militants, of the key of regime are well documented, not only by the russian military investigators, but also via those who committed those atrocities. when you create, invaded the curse region, the russian civilians were forced to flee. and those who didn't make it out on the side were rounded up and either since the ukraine or were made prisoners in their own towns and villages and the some were even tortured and were killed dead. here's just one example witnessed by our reporter seekers. donal take a look, if you see a know that it was meant to be a standard clean up operation. instead, a bloodcurdling discovery fingerprints of ukraine's months long presence in this village be above you. i do. i do yet. yeah, jim bull is do those little. i mean,

the civilians were killed by straight bullets. they didn't just happened to be in the way of a random piece of crap. no. they were restrained, tortured and executed with a guy a bullet co meticulousness. the well, which is it is. what do you do? you're not the real script, but each the is one of the villages most recently liberated by the russian forces in the coast region. and as they rounded up, those ukrainian soldiers who failed to flee the settlement. little did the russians know that one of the captives would admit to the atrocities, so that we raped the girl with particular cruelty. then i made her niel and then shot her. we went to another house, there were 2 men and one woman. we cut the veins on one of the men's hands. we decided to mock him just like that. then we killed them both. after that,

i raped the woman, made her neil and shot her in the regions the neighboring ukraine has suffered artillery missile and the drone, the tax as well. the desktops civilians, the in regions like the builder of vermonters and the brands, all happened to you, to indiscriminate shedding by the ukranian nationalist. and here are just a few examples. the white house correspondent, dana romano,

cassandra bringing us up to speed. moving on now, are you crazy and may i have suggested that they are forward teasing kids needed kind of thing. uh, the address was published on the telegram channel of a party of a former ukrainian president bush uncles whom against against whom the authority you create in the fall with these recently impose sanctions on coordinators when things are difficult at the front when it is necessary to unite the authorities or persecuting the opposition. i as a military man, as the mayor of boris bull, and as a conscious citizen, working for the victory do not understand what is happening in the country. perhaps the authorities are sick. the way out is to carry out a global cleansing, if the military will do it, you will not like it. love them is the last case says that the absence of elections of the country can be explained by the fact that ukrainians themselves don't want the change of government. while those will disagree with key of stands on that can simply change the citizenship. this is what's really where important

i'm right it, you know, to speak about elections if you want. you bring us don't want totally done to along because the freight because otherwise for the lose their military law we're law and our soldiers will come back home and put in the will occupied. all our 3rd 3 is not involved. you know, myself, it's about the future of our country. it's about for today. really. the question is to survive. the question is to save ukraine, our independence, our people, our homes, and the if somebody doesn't like they can choose and other citizenship if they want. now when it comes to choosing another citizenship, but the issue is not that easy. as the last he has said about fitness, ukrainian,

and of conscription. he's off prohibited from leaving the country without special submission, which recruitment officers forced to be sending them to the front lines, tension on the streets as rising and with it. if the case is recorded, the best estimation, the attempts against that list, mental office is now one woman a, be myself, off near a group of military recruiters. the woman and one officer died. as a result of the incident with 6 more people injured, alex now across live to diagnose it much said being the war correspondent and chapman of the union of john list of the republic of subject. all right, now it's good to have you join me now. so why don't you make up this call by a male for the key of a forward used to be cleansed? is it likely to happen? what are you interpreting to this? i want to say speaking uh, after all the suffering about this auction for me is surprised calling people of

former republic a few green did not make and they serious are against from 2000 and 23rd to this date. they were documented cases of mine are protests and all the rest, but nothing this serious and open. it was of course the it did not. he said if it was did not make a made his way to the media. i think secret in the fact that the, the, immediately the off the military coup in 2014, you are rulers of ukraine, lowest large scale campaign of that or against its own civilian population, not domains on bus, but also, or all over year green. i gaze the russian speaking population, who wants have good relations and blow so thoughts with russia. the venue is neo nazi and ultimately other author, early national. these groups to make pressure on government. the institutions which

they see is by force. and then they publish the images from phillip slapping and beating government representatives. it was the network, so spread cetera. or i'm funding for security and population then was easy to proceed in more bloodshed almost immediately after uprising up the local parliaments in ukraine after the military too. they send our headquarters rocketing residential residential bill. i'm getting things done, boss, if you have no problem to do that in a relatively peaceful time. so internal law arrest then in time of for with the formerly another country we support of the west. you can use or we're either you leverage just leverage just that the of that kind that the rich can put to people who oppose you in degree and then use that to a lot even on the american journalist who are that now and nobody out what happened

to them, mister body st. go said the old obvious thing. that's political leaders. stuff you agree and are seriously ill? of course the question is why he waited for so long. i think this message is sent to wider old is because uh, based off of love him is the last, these are numbers. there is a shift in distribution of power on the west indies realized by victoria of donald trump and a lot of forces inside ukraine. now want to prepare themselves for life after peace, especially probably places like this one. the last the who are the fear was much rather piece proposal in february and march of 2022. after so many people died, reassembled, become refugees in based on his base as major politicians are or i think in future you agree and what, whatever that would be. the last thing you would be.