the, the, the us delegation, the heads to saudi arabia for high level talks with the russian envoys. it's the 1st meeting of its kind between representatives of washington and moscow. same as the 3 and complex you about that 3 years ago. what was the situation with previous administration? no dialogue war until the end. that was the official position of the previous administration. moscow expresses optimism that valid the potential for sex with donald trump to resolve the prizes in ukraine. crumley and says it's open to discussing the us presidents proposals after there was no willingness from washington previous administration. the

to this or as a question now kevin says that they cannot be any official discussion about your grade without a direct involvement. but donald trump suggested that he's absolutely ok this it, as he being absent from the negotiating table, this has been coughing me of diplomacy, you know, to sort of that way and security based security conference and you, if left blindsided, had to be in a committee meeting after washington's golden process over its approach to democracy, the threat that i worry the most about visa, the europe, is not a rush. it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within the retreat of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of america. russia says 0,

then abruptly ignoring keeps little fried. and that's up to the easiest top different my to claims that ukraine never pockets of options the video of the color that welcome to our teaching national, reaching you from the russian capital. what the latest from around the world? i am michael. quite right now. we start with some breaking news on the war and ukraine. us delegation is leaving today for saudi arabia to hold talks with russian representative. it's the fuss, such high level beating between the 2 countries in years of the news was confirmed by donald trump special envoy to the middle east sea woodcock. and it's set to be aimed at building trusts with moscow. the russian side has yet to comment. i don't want to talk too much about that ends specifically, maria, but i am going to night i'll be travelling there with the national,

secure. ready advisor, and we'll be having meetings at the direction of the president and hopefully we'll, we'll, we'll make some really good progress with regard to russia. ukraine. not a lot of details so far as we finally heard from washington, moscow hasn't commented at yet, and we could only guess who's going to be on the negotiating teams list. but actually yesterday, bloomberg named a few and americans delegation will be led by us national security advice of my quotes and a special uh and boy for the middle east. a steve uh, width, golf, and actually width of noted, uh the, the 1st stage of tweaks will focus on building trusts between the united states and russia. and this resonated with what kremlin spoke, spots, and treat me 3 pascals earlier stated emotions. you know, this is

a powerful signal and we will now attempt to solve the problems through dialogue. we will talk about peace, not war. what was the situation with the previous administration? no dialogue war until the end. that was the official position of the previous administration. judging by president trump statements, we resolved problems through dialogue. no more. we need peace. this position should appeal more to any reasonable person or state. you may, the, the, you know, your grade will actually attend the saudi arabia summit. as trump actually cheering a phone call was lynette page. and earlier this week emphasized that she wants to meet with bruton. in particular, as tom has a some sort of understanding on how to apply them. f, pete, and views the conflict in hugh crane. and now we also have multi rubio, he said earlier, the key of and brussels will actually the boats into the price as aust awards. because 1st absolum ice is all about tools between moscow and washington. president

trump ran, he was very clear. he thinks this war needs to end, and if he sees an opportunity to end it, which is what he's looking for, whether there is an opportunity or not, we're going to pursue it. ultimately it will reach a point when, if it's real negotiations, we're not there yet. but if that were to happen, ukraine will have to be involved because they're the one that was invited and the europeans will have to be involved because they have sanctions on pollutant and russia as well. and they've contributed to this effort. we're just not there yet. we really aren't, but hopefully we will be because we don't like to see this war. and so the key of cost, at least as that know you're creating $12.00 so that ukraine talk to us about that . what about this time? well, according to a to a fox news john, the list, ukraine was not invited to the talks and saudi arabia, citing a high ranking, ukrainian official who actually specified that ukraine was not invited nor informed about the upcoming and negotiations and the landscape. so concerns that,

that will snow invitation that he has received. he's also called the meeting between most and washington. i'm a bit strange as those similar talks what held between the t of on it's that so called strategic partners before. and you know, if this seems to be ironic and i rumble, i want a moment to, as soon as like as a soon as trump announced his intentions to meet with the russian president. as the last he said, he actually had a state visit to saudi arabia, which obviously is just a coincidence of course, and that his economy, minnesota is ready in re add, holding meetings to prepare the visit. and once again, i want it. how's the landscape while still feeling sort of left out is still trying hard to get involved because talk all the way actually has been open about to ukraine's floods and all of this

um, interesting question. i think they have to make peace that people have been killed and i think they have to make peace. your i showed that was not a good way to go into and i think they have to make peace. that's what i think. you know, i don't think so as long as he's there, but you know, at some point you're gonna have to have elections to you're gonna have to have it like just to be, to go to most of the skin which you can negotiate with anyone. but zalinski is the legitimate, he has no right to sign anything, but if he wants to take part in the negotiations, i will send people who will conduct these negotiations. the issue is the final signing of the documents. this is a very serious issue that should guarantee security for ukraine and russia with a serious long term historical perspective. a. hi, leah, an nbc interview, actually key mountain which celeste explains that. if that was

a real plan to resolve the conflict, t of what have been invited, what is the trump administration's piece of plan? do they have one look for? well, 1st of all, i've seen no they, they don't have a rio down because they come have it without us sizing. so maybe then there are some ideas today your, some ideas about the economy. how does your economy, how to invest? we spoke mostly about it with the wise president, i think security guarantees told today the question on the president with all this, that twice president bob, it's about more to president because he's the president of the united states and he is a leader of me to and each man that lives are all security allies. so, you know, from all of this, we are inside seeing a huge shift on the geological landscape. but you know, once again to be sure of that, we'll have to wait and see. now for my director,

i'll be in talk up michael. i fast to the us trade representative steve. gil believes that the torque say the saudi arabia will quickly be a fruit. you cannot resolve conflict if you're not talking, having conversations about how to resolve the conflict. and i think that we haven't seen that over the last several years was divided ministration, but under president trump reaching out and now beginning the conversation with president food and the russians, i think there's a real pathway to find you not only peace, but also better prosperity, for all the nations involved, i do think it's kind of ironic that you have present zalinski complaining about being cut out of these next go see ations when he pushed the legislation in ukraine to make it illegal for him to negotiate with russia. so now, i guess he's complaining that he can't break the law by being involved in that goes, he ations. i think the other irony here is that the presence of lensky has been bad mouth in the united states. talking trash about the us when they're not doing

exactly what he wants to do. not sending more money, more weapons to ukraine after he just boston and backtracked on his agreement to, to provide about a half $1000000000.00 in resources to the us to help pay back the humanitarian aid in the military a that's been providing to them. so i think presence lensky when he has canceled the elections and is now saying they don't need to have elections. of people in your brain don't want elections. that's what uh, president trump. uh, there are at odds with prizes a drop when they're refusing to, to pay back the money and munitions that the u. s. has put in place and then complaining about not being. and so they go to the asian table and the, let's see, made it illegal for him to be able to go see agent. they will. so i think president trump is making the wise decision. we're going to move forward with adults in the room and at some point very well involved. so let's see, and you're right state. it was supposed to be a show of unity by the west,

but in the wake of all the arguments and recommendation at the munich security conference, this unity would perhaps be the more appropriate would. but as the gathering wrapped up delegates westfield trying to put on a brave face, this has been coughing me of diplomacy, you know, just sort of people being quite to have top but show them the rest of it. but once we get over us, the prime minister of iceland said from the shock, what do we need to do? we need to listen what the americans are saying. what went down is exactly what they knew was absolutely not expecting. these summits like the munich security conference, like the a, i summit for europe, that j, the vance, the vice president, united states was also speaking at a little bit earlier in the week. these things are only just very routine, quite and big news, fast actually. and normally, kind of the talking points are worked out in advance, they're almost always on the same page. it's not supposed to be

a roast of the americans, or i'm the europeans by the americas, which is essentially what we're seeing, that at both of these events, the threats that i worry, the most about visa, the europe, is not russia. it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within the retreat of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of america. i was struck that of a former european commissioner went on television recently and sounded delighted that the romanian government had just an old and entire election. he warned that as things don't go to plan, the very same thing could happen in germany to south east cavalier. a statements are shocking to american ears or i would also spins advanced. did. yesterday was a stand on the side of the detective tauriel regime. he meant to scan and to say

europe to germany, you are to tell a terry and states was on use and that really has are well and aspects of stuff. we create our coalition ourselves. just be sure it's none of his business, even as an ocean. yeah. tough guy, a carney minister of germany, robert had back there and also the vice chancellor of germany telling awesome judy vance, not to his face at the conference, but on the pod cast. and i'm sure he'll be listening to that and follow along very closely. so what's going on here is that, you know, instead of standing up to the previous administration, previous american administration and a, standing up for their energy sovereignty and ending up the street, the industrialize. and his dad's as j, the vans admonished germany for doing right in front of their faces at that munich security conference. these guys, they just kind of are saying, well, you know, coming here now we're standing up for news for democracy and freedom that all these things that they really couldn't be bothered standing up to the,

by the administration for apparently on the, on the way that trump had sent to this conference in munich general catalogue, or one of his own voice. he, um, he had said earlier that with respect to where this is all going and in saudi arabia with the next phase of negotiations with hopefully alternately or who are heading towards direct had they had discussion between president puts in president trump probably within the next couple of weeks before ramadan ends up unfolding in saudi arabia and everything kind of shuts down. prior to that he said, you know, we're going to need these pounds. the, you are ukraine at negotiating table and they can come to the table. but probably the candy table over there in the corner. so what's interesting now is the secretary of state marco rubio has now kind of contradict to that and said europe and ukraine will be part of peace talks. let's have

a listen to the kind of contradicting discussions that are happening in, in front of on the world stage for everyone to see on, on the american side. can you, can you a show this audience the ukrainians will be at the table? and europeans will be at the table where you just change the whole dynamic. pardon or victor, thanks for having us today. i appreciate the answer that last question, just you framed it? the answer is no. the answer to the earlier part of the questions. yes, of course. you can use are going to be at the table. the finish for our minister side of the, of this report that we're watching right now. that this is all very messy and well, you know, diplomacy is messy and it's not in a straight line. the only way it ends up being anything other than that is when everybody is in agreement on propagating the same, talking points in the past, which is again what these conferences typically. all right, we're absolutely not saying here. this is real diplomacy happening in real time. so you have catalog contradict during marco rubio,

and it doesn't mean that there hasn't been something that occurred between those 2 statements made by those gentlemen. but again, it's a big question mark over whether or not the, the you or to what extent that you will be involved with these association is, i mean, they've been holding their own little kind of side summits ahead of this particular conference. for example. specifically, there was one in paris just before i left paris to come out here in moscow. they were all meeting there and it was, they were setting the stage, they said for an eventual peace agreement as though they were running the adults table. um, not realizing that it seems that trump and puts in were also having a conversation and they'd already kind of done the cast day and their casting was for as a 2 man show. not for a, a clown. troops involving the typical jokers at the u. i n a by asking myself, what have i done today?

how the printer have i done enough? use in this fight for a year of a future, for the very concept of freedom. for the security ukraine, you must or we wouldn't move problem fi fi, me. but obviously the european party of war, the liberal mainstream will try to do everything in his power to fight disagreement . let's not be now. you have it. yeah, well i mean that's part of the course when it comes to that you all, you had to supply tubes and for 2 signaling, just non stop virtue signaling. and that's again, that's not diplomacy. so what we're looking at now is very messy diplomacy playing out in real time and you, it's kind of been relegated for the time being to the, to the table. it's not really sure at this point whether they will be involved or not. mark rubio has said yes, you know,

calm down over there cuz they're yelling and screaming and freaking out that, you know, we might not be involved in this. so again, when j. d that says at this munich conference, that the e u is violating basic values that it, it for ports to back, like freedom and democracy. it's also kind of violating the rules of a free markets by doing this. and it seems like they're always trying to push the envelope and see what they can get away with. so this will be really interesting to watch where it all goes right away from the, you know, ukrainian, joe, and strike has less 3 people dead in russia belgrade region after the call, the way traveling in westgate. and that's according to local authorities. it's the latest such attacks on civilians despite the use foreign policy chief insisting a key as troops have never and do not targets competent non compet them. well, when it comes to russian ukraine, you know,

the differences that the russian civilians are not dying. i mean rice in children, then we were not dying. it's so which is on the ground, the father territory when you're occupied as and it doesn't mean you know in words, to have peace, but it doesn't mean that the human suffering was stop. and that is something that we need to work for. well, a callous seems to be absolutely clear that says the 3 civilians were killed in belgrade, regions this sunday alone. or it's really difficult to comment on such an outright and voice and why, especially when the person who sees the slice is an actual head of a entire european diplomacy. she said it with a small low, heaviest, lead, find to be cute, which she looks to be her only forte when the cameras are on the substance of what's coming out of her mouth. as though for familiarity as that, she is probably from diplomacy and kind of calluses. this statement is generally in

line with the west. and so i are approached over the last decade or so, where they would turn a blind side to any atrocities committed by the key of regime against the russians . thinking of some kind of person in such a position, not know that the key every team is committing terrorist acts against civilians, children, women and socially vulnerable groups know. and as they say, we know they know can a person with the authority and that knowledge, why? like that, yes. tell us does. for the last few days, all the leaders have been screaming all over the place that they absolutely need to keep their seat at the negotiating table. callous cuts their hopes that the route. how can you talk seriously with those who have declared lies is their official position. judging from what happens at the unit goes security conference, it's probably safe to say that sky account as is fantasies of those say they cool and having nothing to do with the reality or a desperate attempt to stake a claim. in the upcoming talks between bosco and the washington,

well it shows that he's committed by the minutes in suffolk, you ever see more well documented, not only by the russian military investigators, but also by of those who committed those atrocities. when you create, invaded the curse region, the russian civilians were forced to flee. and those who didn't make it out on signs were rounded off and either sent to ukraine or made prisoners in their own towns and villages. and the sound were even tortured and were deals. and here is just one example witnessed by our report. steger started take a look at the do you see a real fast it was meant to be a standard clean up operation. instead, a blood curdling discovery, fingerprints of ukraine's months long presence in this village be above you. how do you have going, right? do you get the idea info? let's do those little. i mean, these civilians weren't killed by straight bullets. they didn't just happened to be

in the way of a random piece of crap. no, they were restrained, tortured and executed with a diabolical meticulousness, which is on there. is this whole thing. you're not the real script, but each the is one of the villages most recently liberated by the russian forces in the course region. and as they rounded up those ukrainian soldiers who failed to flee the settlement. little did the russians know that one of the captives would admit to the atrocities us. we rapes the girl with particular cruelty. then i made her niel and then shot her. we went to another house, there were 2 men and one woman. we cut the veins on one of the men's hands. we decided to mock him just like that. then we killed them both. after that i raped the woman, made her kneeling shutter of the regions the neighbouring ukraine has suffered artillery miss. so i'll end the drone attacks as well. the tests of civilians and

regions like a builder of, of our owners and the brands, all happens, you to indiscriminate shipping by the ukranian nationalist and here are just a few examples. the rushes are you regions like that, the desk people's republic, for example, our role so under cost and indiscriminate shedding by the ukranian military. here in goal is to adjust the 40 kilometers away from the minutes. at least $215.00

civilians were killed in nearly $1400.00 hormones that since the start of this special minutes reparation all deaths and the injuries occurred very far from any military depositions. but i guess kind of callous sends the company. the 3rd, the blind guy to that as well. but let's get some thoughts on all of these now and cross live to john listed editor of my dread b dot com. martin j martin is, is great to have you join me right now. so be yeah, so, so to the big question here is how can kind of colors make such claims when russia regularly provides evidence of ukrainian attacks on civilians? it would be to you what's been happening in europe in the last 20 or 30 years, is this intensive indoctrination of its own pressed back its own jaundice in

brussels unity. we have a situation now where the journalists are really being snippets to nuggets. there's nothing more to announce of coming out of brussels and what happens is ultimately the release stops to actually believe it's own. its own fake news starts replacing it. i think that's probably really part of it. you know how this is just not very bright. i mean it's not in the shop is tool box, let's be honest. i'm. she comes from a political dentist, a stone. yeah, father was prime minister. he go to cookie joe in brussels. that's what happens to the lease if it was so she followed, wants to go to procedural and brussels. you know, i'm not sure that she had, we should, we should remember. that's a traditionally was impressive 11 years. and i can tell you that traditionally the, the foreign policy chief job never goes to anybody remote for big level or dynamic . oh, well, come, pretend it always goes to a political has been and let's not forget when she left off is 70 percent of the custodians. said that they didn't have any confidence nor as prime minister. so we

shouldn't really be too shocked to mike. but how to assess these ridiculous things? i mean, you know, i hate to be flippant, but you know, we can intelligence. those are live with liberty for moment. it seems to be a week of a you need his particular women say, incredibly stripping things to get the media spotlight. you know some of the land a spelled to these ridiculous ideas of the minute conference. then we had an a bad back who said, i think yesterday, there's no way that a piece to can go ahead without us signing it off. collect risk. and now we have homeless who just seems to brush all of the inconvenient history. you know, out of the other picture. i'm just having a little one sided narrative just now refusing to look at the statistics of women shouldn't have been killed. horrendously killed. i'm in a dorm bus next reasons. all right, now russia says that europe's refusal to acknowledge keeps crimes will affect whether the you plays a role in peace negotiations. but how would you assess the potential for the ease

you to set up the negotiating table? well, i think that going to attend, i mean, it really, really comes down to trump, you know, i mean, he might want to politicize the situation, scroll some points with you by showing them who really is in control of it. and, you know, i mean, i've been writing my own editorials for the last couple of months. the, any p stokes are really going to be between america and russian. you know, and anybody else in the room is more or less going to be as protect to. so if from the last moment, which i suspect he will do, i suspect to the last moment to humor the opinions, you would allow them to be the. but they're not really going to be much. they don't wanna say much of a role in indigo solution because the, the take on the whole, their interpretation of the situation is completely wrong and they won't hold. they want to continue the, the, the, the funding, this ridiculous will, which is draining the opinions coffers and some then economies. and so the, the kind of the wrong people to have around the table. so i think you let them turn

up the may, will play that. so the presence of bargaining shipped to turn down the are the posters narrative. all right. what, what do you said, do you think the issue of. busy crimes committed by ukraine will have on possible piece towards unfortunately, this is one of the issues of my old drain and slow down the b stokes. you know, if we're, if, if there isn't much wiggle room. the other thing there is, i don't think there's going to be a great deal of negotiation between uh trump of boots and i think the attendance goes to the layout. his needs is piece of it. so he's winning, you know, it's very difficult for somebody who's winning an a will to give away too much. but some, it's possible to international and, and, and, uh, and war crimes may, will be something that slows down the process. and uh, you know, and we would have to wait and see, i think the, what we're seeing now is really in my personal view,

the in game on. so then i think this is really what everything is heading towards, you know, he's becoming more, more difficult in the counseling sense. he's turned on trumps off of the mineral deal. and now he's gone on to social media and is spelling all sorts of notes and it's about, you know, not being able to turn off at the deal be. so i'd be be able to sign any documents and basically page and let it show. and i think we were rapidly moving towards the scenario where probably boots it and trump will be able to move quite quickly and get a piece deal. but the only person in the room who will block that will probably be lensky, so, so less that will be the problem. i'm gonna have to be removed. if i have to ask for a problem, some reports that people, ukraine is already looking as a possible post that a ski ukraine. well, what do you think would happen to those people who or that had carried out a tax against russian civilians? when the conflict is over, it is difficult to say, i mean,

many of them who's got the money. i mean, there's been a huge mess. this amount of corruption going on the last couple of years, you know, the billions and billions of dollars that headed towards let's give a cause of course, been distributed amongst is above. so it's a, my prediction is and the next couple of weeks we will see people leaving kids. i think they'll be, uh, they'll select a capital flights more, a human flight of top people. and the people who call it afford to leave the people who will sort of much further down the food chain and you stick around, they will be posted with the scape codes for the sort of the human rights. some accusations, i think so traditional process up to that. but again, you know, it'll be very interesting to see where the pretend is for pads, who look to disagree or piece um, but my money is on a new, a new setup and you have, i think, uh, i think that was a lensky is behaving as lovely now.