of the the us delegation had to saudi arabia for high level talks with ross and the invoice. its the 1st meeting, all that kind since the warranty you created, interrupted 3 years ago. what was the situation with the previous administration? no dialogue more until the end. that was the official position of the previous administration and optimistic outlook that prepping pops up the potential for a meeting between the russian and american president, saying it all stands in stark contrast to the bye, didn't get the interesting question. but key evan says that they cannot be any,

all special discussion about ukraine without a direct involvement. but donald trump suggests that he's ok with zalinski being absent from the negotiating table. this has been company of diplomacy, you know, just sort of a secure way to add the security confidence that'd be, you is left blind sided at the unique meeting, half the washington's cold talks. those will vary to the approach to the monitors. the threat that i worry the most about, the city europe is not russia, it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within the retreat of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of america. russia says europe pays to, deliberately ignoring, keeps wall drives. and that's after the use pop diplomatic claims. the grain never

targets russian civilians, the kind of that welcome to our team to nation and you said what the latest update, ty a, mike, watch it right now we start with some breaking news on the war and ukraine. us delegation is leaving today for saudi arabia. to hold ports with russian representative, it's the 1st such high level meeting between the countries in years. now the news was confirmed by donald trump special envoy to the middle east. steve mixed with coffee at a set to be aimed at the building shots with moscow. the russian side has yet to comment. i don't want to talk too much about that ends specifically, maria, but i am going to night i'll be traveling there. ready the national security advisor and we'll be having meetings at the direction of the president and hopefully we'll, we'll,

we'll make some really good progress with regard to russia. ukraine. not a lot of details so far as we finally heard from washington, moscow has once commented as yet, and we could only guess who's going to be on the negotiating teams list. but actually yesterday, bloomberg named a few and americans delegation will be led by us national security advisor mike waltz and a special uh and boy for the middle east. a steve uh, width, golf and actually went to go from noted, uh, the, the 1st stage of tweaks will focus on building trusts between the united states and russia. and this resonated with what kremlin spikes us an ad tree, the tree pest golf. i've stated promotions, you know, this is a powerful signal and we will now attempt to solve the problems through dialogue. we will talk about peace, not war. what was the situation with the previous administration?

no dialogue more until the end. that was the official position of a previous administration. judging by president trump statements, we resolve problems through dialogue. no more. we need peace. this position should appeal more to any reasonable person or state. you may, the, the, you know, your grade will actually attend the saudi arabia summit, as trump actually cheering a phone call was not in that peach. and earlier this week, emphasized that she wants to meet with bruton. in particular, as trump has a some sort of understanding on how to apply them, f pete in views, the conflict in hugh crane. and now we also have multi rubio. he said earlier, the kids and brussels will actually be brought into the price as also will. it's because 1st absolum ice is all about tools between moscow and washington. president trump ran, he was very clear, he thinks this war needs to end. and if he sees an opportunity to end it, which is what he's looking for. whether there is an opportunity or not,

we're going to pursue it. ultimately, it will reach a point when, if it's real negotiations and we're not there yet. but if that were to happen, ukraine will have to be involved because they're the one that was invited. and the europeans will have to be involved because they have sanctions on putin and russia as well. and they've contributed to this effort. we're just not there yet. we really aren't, but hopefully we will be because we don't like to see this war. and so the key of constantly says that, no, you're creating 12 so that you created, talk to us about that. what about this time? well, according to a to a fox news, john, the less the ukraine was not invited to the talks and saudi arabia, citing a high ranking, ukrainian official who actually specified that ukraine was not invited nor informed about the upcoming negotiations as the landscape. so concerns that, that will snow invitation that he has received. he's also called the meeting between most and washington. i'm a bit strange as those similar talks what held between the t of on it's at circle,

strategic partners before. and you know, if this seems to be ironic and i wrote what i want a moment to as soon as like as a soon as trump announced his intentions to meet with the russian president. as the last he said, he actually had a state visit to saudi arabia, which obviously is just a coincidence of course, and that his economy, minnesota is ready in re add, holding meetings to prepare the visit. and once again, i want it. how's the landscape while still feeling sort of left out is still trying hard to get involved because toppled away actually has been opened about to ukraine's floods in wolf this um, interesting question. i think they have to make peace,

that people are being killed and i think they have to make peace. your i showed that was not a good war to go into and i think they have to make peace. that's what i think. you know, i don't think so as long as he's there, but you know, at some point you're gonna have to have elections to you're gonna have to have it like to be to go to most of the skin which you can negotiate with anyone. but zalinski is illegitimate, he has no right to sign anything. but if he wants to take part in the negotiations, i will send people who will conduct these negotiations. the issue is the final signing of the documents. this is a very serious issue that should guarantee security for ukraine and russia with a serious long term historical perspective. a. hi leah, an n b c interview actually t mountain which celeste, he claims that if there was a real plan to resolve the conflict, t of what us being invited what is the trump administration's piece plan?

do they have one to fill out? first of all, i've seen no they, they don't have a real down because they come have it without us sizing. so maybe that and there are some ideas that your, some ideas about the economy, how to secure economy, how to in the past we spoke mostly about teeth with the weiss president, i think security guarantees told today the question of the president, with all of this that twice president about, it's about more to president because he's the president of the united states and he is a leader of nato. and it's been the leader all the security allies. so, you know, from all of this, we are in sight seeing a huge shift on the geological landscape. but you know, once again to be sure of that, we'll have to wait and see bye, let's cross now live to for my pets. i don't see a security policy on the list, mike, a model of joining the right the market. i'm glad to have you join me. so it was

just fuel. you know, that the weeks ago a days ago we were talking about the 1st phone call between trump. i'm putting the now high level representatives are on the way to saudi arabia to you, to hold the discussions and so on. what is your read to what is going on as well after uh, 4 years of uh, almost a total absence between uh we're looking relationships between the united states and russia. i think it's only appropriate that the 2 sides under a new administration, the trump administration now meet with a rushing officials to re establish a level of confidence building and wanting to open up discussions and to carry on with potential agreements i had. and already you had rubio, and i missed the lab rough uh, having their own phone calls. suggesting just that,

again, with a confidence building, rebuilding, i should say rebuilding effort at this point to try and light a foundation to of confidence building to get a to, to begin to re establish trust between the 2 sides. that trust is basically been obliterated up to this point and we see and hear about it all the time. i hear about it in my own private discussions with the, with officials and that we need to get that back online and there. and that, that's going to take some doing that that's done with that done. you're going to have more concrete discussions then on how to resolve this conflict. and you cannot say zaleski and even the europeans cannot say they haven't been consulted. but really, this is really between the united states and russia now trying to develop a,

a, a level of a foundation for, for establishing a lasting peace. and also it hasn't really been stated us. that's when it's really united states saying this, we're in a different world now. and the united states has its own issues. and we're no longer the lantus is that we have been and we are going to be looking at more for the united states force for change rather than fighting. europe's centuries old wars all the time and having to come to the assistance as we have done it twice already and. and if you're points to it and, and, and then you cry and want to continue on with conflicts and looked upon russia as the enemy. that's our problem there. frankly, the, you have right now this minute, the europeans basically looking at russia as a continued enemy. and that's not a basis for time for

a long term effort is toward us trying to settle disputes. we don't see any evidence of, of some of any similarity between what mr. putting did back in the 2022. and what hitler did back in 39, even though the europeans were, were brainwashed into thinking that by the, by an administrative position. and i used to hear incessantly from, from austin, the former secretary, defense, and detritus, and, and the other, the icons and those days are gone. we've seen it for ourselves. and there's no evidence of this, this creepy efforts to retake europe or anything of the sort. and so i think mr. trump has a different agenda and to be as, as the leader of nato,

i think he's laying down the marker that this is the way it's going to be. this is the way the united states is going to be and, and, and you can either lead fall or just get out of the way. this is a very, a highly anticipated meeting that when you sit down and you'll, you're watching and fully what's going on, what do you expect as the media an outcome of the meeting in saudi arabia? well, i think they all 1st of all agree that uh like some like some parameters them and then they will set the next stage for ultimately the 2 principles to get together. namely, presence trump and the input. but you're laying the foundation 1st with your, with your worker bees at, but this is considered a high level, the group that's, that from the united states that's going in. i'm sure russia will have a similar group to meet the they will uh, in the,

and i think it's also relevant to that. kellogg is not included. and he is really one of the remnants of the media con establishment that was so prevalent during the, during the previous administration in pushing the, the america for the, the, the nato, the effort to backup ukraine and, and ultimately contain and even try to establish your g change in russia those days are over. this is a recognition that it's a new world and under trump and that there's going to be a whole new cycle. we've seen it also in, in the way of the vice president. basically a lecture, the europeans that they, they have been it, they have been a um, a back slightly and if you will, and they're in their values in what, what,

what they stand for and in including the united states. all right, it's really a new world indeed. hadn't everyone's looking forward to the don't of it. thank you so much. that's a good senior security policy on the list. michael matthews. thank you all these for your insights. thank you. my spot. it was supposed to be a show of unity by the west, but in the wake of old arguments and recrimination and unique security conference. this unity would perhaps be the more appropriate would. but as the gathering rob top delegates were still trying to put on a brave face, this has been a cat call suddenly of diplomacy. you know, it just sort of people being quite to have top but shock than the rest of it. but once we get over us, the prime minister of iceland said from the shock, what do we need to do? we need to listen what the americans are, say, what went down is exactly what they knew was absolutely not expecting. these summits like the munich security conference, like the a i summit for europe,

that j, the vans, the vice president, united states was also speaking at a little bit earlier in the week. these things are only just very routine, quite and big news fast actually. and normally kind of the talking points are worked out in advance, they're almost always on the same page. it's not supposed to be a roast of the americans or i'm, i'm the europeans by the americans was essentially what we're seeing, that at both of these events, the threats that i worry, the most about visa, the europe, is not russia. it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within the retreats of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of america. i was struck that of a former european commissioner went on television recently and sounded delighted

that the romanian government had just an old and entire election. he warned that as things don't go to plan, the very same thing could happen in germany to se cavalier statements are shocking to american ears or it also spins advanced did. yesterday was the stand on the side of addicted tauriel regime. he meant to stand and just say europe, germany, you are to tell a terry in states is our use and that really has our wellbeing aspects or not. we create our coalition ourselves, just be sure it's none of his business and as or the new yeah, tough guy. a connie minister of germany, robert had back there and also the vice chancellor of germany telling off judy vance not to his face at the conference, but on a pod cast. and i'm sure he'll be listening to that and following along very closely. so what's going on here is that, you know, instead of standing up to the previous administration, previous american administration, kind of standing up for their energy sovereignty and ending up the street. the

industrialize instead. so as j, the vans admonished germany for doing right in front of their faces at that munich security conference. these guys, any they just kind of are saying, well, you know, how many years now were standing up for news for democracy and freedom that all these things that they really couldn't be bothered standing up to the, by the administration for apparently on the, on the way that trump had sent to this conference in munich, general kellogg, or one of his own voice. he, um, he had said earlier that with respect to where this is all going and in, sorry, ray. be with the next phase of negotiations with hopefully alternately or who are heading towards direct had the head discussion between president puts in president trump probably within the next couple of weeks before ramadan ends up unfolding in

saudi arabia and everything kind of shuts down prior to that he said, you know, we really don't need these pounds the you or you train at negotiate table and they can come to the table, but probably the katie tables over there in the corner. what's interesting now is the secretary of state marco rubio has now kind of contradict to that and said europe and ukraine will be part of peace talks. let's have a listen to the kind of contradicting discussions that are happening in, in front of, on the world stage. for everyone to see on, on the american side, can you, can you a show this audience the ukrainians will be at the table and europeans will be at the table. oh, are you just change the whole dynamic? pardon or victor, thanks for having us today. i appreciate the answer that last question, just you framed it? the answer is no. or the answer to the earlier part of that questions. yes, of course you can use are going to be at the table. the finish for our minister side of the, of this report that we're watching right now,

that this is all very messy and well, you know, diplomacy is messy and it's not in a straight line. the only way it ends up being anything other than that is when everybody is an agreement on propagating the same, talking points in the past, which is again what these conferences typically. all right, we're absolutely not saying here. this is real diplomacy happening in real time. so you have catalog contradictory, marco rubio, and it doesn't mean that there hasn't been something that occurred between those 2 statements made by those gentlemen. but again, it's a big question mark over whether or not the, the you or to what extent that you will be involved with these negotiations. i mean, they've been holding their own little kind of side summits ahead of this particular conference, for example. specifically, there was one in paris just before i left paris to come out here in moscow. they were all meeting there and it was, they were setting the stage. they said for an eventual piece agreement as though they were running the adults table. i'm not realizing. c but it seems that some,

some trump and puts in, we're also having a conversation and they'd already kind of done the cast day and their casting was for as a 2 man show not for a, a clown. troops involving the typical jokers at the u. i n. by austin, my stuff. what have i done today? how the printer have i done enough figures in this fight for a year of a future for them. very constant is a freedom for low security. ukraine or we would move problem fi, fi 3. but obviously the european party of war, the liberal mainstream, will try to do everything in its power to fight disagreement. let's not be now you've it. yeah, well i mean that's part of the course when it comes to the you all yet is by twos

and virtue signaling, just non stop virtue signaling and that's again, that's not diplomacy. so what we're looking at now is very messy diplomacy playing out in real time and you, it's kind of been relegated for the time being to the, to the table. and it's not really sure at this point whether they will be involved or not. mark rubio has said yes, you know, calm down over there cuz they're yelling and screaming and freaking out that, you know, we might not be involved in this. so again, when j. d that says at this munich conference, that the e u is violating basic values that it, it for ports to back, like freedom and democracy. it's also kind of violating the rules of a free markets by doing this. and it seems like they're always trying to push the envelope and see what they can get away with. so this will be really interesting to watch where it all goes. well, the end of the munich security conference was set for some,

quite literally it's job button was reduced to tears, but not just because everyone was heading home to this order is easy to disrupt. it's easy to destroy, but it's much harder to rebuild. so let us stick to these values, let us not reinvent them, but focus on strengthening their consistent application. let me conclude and this becomes difficult. the, all right, let's get some reaction to all these now and speak, live to are to contribute to. it's almost spend joining be right now. it's almost, i'm glad to have you enjoyed the. so the, the many common friends became something office because, you know,

with open portals the presidents were ignored before the, the conference chub and was crying, you know, and so on. because of a changing world or that did anyone really get to talk about security at the end of the day? i mike, it's going to be with you tonight. um. yeah, it's really is a circus. um. what's going on in europe? i mean, uh, from the way he's acting now uh they wanna meet in saudi arabia and ukraine's. i'm going to take part. there's no one invited, i mean, cadillac said that the, i think a few few people to from ukraine would somehow be involved in trumpet made a call to zalinski. but it looks like at the end of the day that the ukraine is not even gonna have a say really, and what's going down here and that's really, i mean, i think it's gives a good a good insight into the way the washington deals with, with these types of things, if you think about it, they use this country and as people as cannon fodder and how many ukrainians died

and suffered in this war. and now they're not even gonna have to say in, in really, you know, what goes down it's, it's incredible to, to think of where the way that the, you know, washington deals with these people. and they deal with, you know, the needle. they're supposed allies in the same way. so i don't know if it's surprising at this point. all right, now the, the, the us vice president of the conference was telling lead as bad, but the threat, the real. so i just not coming from roswell, i've been china that the real threat just from inside from within where free speech is, is suppressed. and then you bought up your points at another allowed. do you think that you'll need is going to take this message to hot? no, i don't think they will take it to heart at all. to be honest. uh the, the you is never been a place where i live in germany. a freedom of speech has never been um and it's never, it's ever really been a top priority. they talk about it a lot. they talk about democracy in these words. they throw around the bug in

practice. i mean, if you look at the censorship on, on, on the x that they're trying to enforce a lot, a lot of stuff has to do with, with the history of the, you know, the nazi party in germany. um, but yeah, free speech has never been one of their their top priority is and as much as they want to paint it that way it's just never been been the case. and i don't think that much will change over here in regards to the, to the, to the, to do what the vice president said. all right, that the vice president also took a different tone earlier when he said that the, that the, you know, sanctions and the ministry options were not off the table and so on the areas with, with, regarding russia. now what do you make of this car within stake approach when it comes to looking at the big picture where everyone is looking for solutions? i mean, the fact of the matter is that a free and solvent russia is. it is

a threat as a threat to the dollar based system. it's a threat to the dollar base or just by the very existence of a country that refuses to take part in a dollar system. it enables others to main, remove themselves from that system as they they search choose that path. syria was it was a good example. um it is a good comparison. i mean are a good analogy. they'd be good cop bad chop or cart stick. um, you know, the vitamin ministration was really the uh, the, the bad cop in the, in the whole thing here. and trump is, is play and the good cap now. but i don't think at the end of the day when, when these parties come together and let them to put in, doesn't give the washington everything that it was a on c l. i think you're going to see the other side of the truck because i don't think that the product is going to k, then i don't think he's got a new belt of that is going to want these things done and he's going to want to

supplement on or on rushes terms and if they don't agree to that, um, you know, due to the dollar is ation process is already started. the multi polar world is here. and i think you were even, you heard from pen thing of trying to get to, you know, putting back into the or rush it back into the it's the g 7 and making the g 8 again. and i think does that get some good insight into, into what is going through his mind there. but he's a showman, he's trying to play both sides here and. but at the end of the day, i don't think which is going to give him what he wants. and we're going to see in a different side of, of trump, what to you know, time with dell and see how it plays out. and pop with it has laid out the russian position all the while trying to let everyone know what russia wants. and so now europe is trying to talk about possibly using as a ceasefire to re um, ukraine. why do you think that you use trying to undermine

a piece process that washington is trying to walk on right now? but i think i know it ought to be. i mean, a trump has got them all so, and such a. so it's, it's pretty amazing the way you came out and he's got these people running all over the place, like headless chickens. i mean, we see that in germany, we're seeing that france fraud jeff. my problem is called a meeting tomorrow. um, your chance are schultz wants to enact some emergency measures and yeah, they're, they're running around like headless chickens. um, i think they believe the, the, they actually believe up their own, the, on their own propaganda about, you know, you know, russia wants to a, to a, to germany or other or, or anything beyond the brands of western europe. and they put that in the hands of these if you know their own populations for so long now that um, i think there started to believe it themselves actually. um, but the, i don't think they have any real ability to think it'd be quite frank about it to enforce the problem. so this is really a process between these 2 powers,

russia and the united states and europeans. i mean, they don't have the military power and they don't have the, you know, without the united states, the nato is nothing. and they just don't have the power or the, the influence to, to, to change the shape of the events. and the way that they would like to go on the way we all right, we have to leave me here now has almost been hearty. contribute to thank you so much for your time. i. thanks, mike. have a good night. stay with our to international for all the latest from around the world. thanks for watching bye. now the

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