the, the welcome to cross top boulevard and were all things are considered on peter level? finally, the trump administration has started its pitch, the end, the ukraine complex. needless to say, it did not go down well with the european establishment addicted as they are to this war. we'll try this plan work. will the russians agree to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast, right, the guy goal, which be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have dmitri bob, that she is the deputy for an editor. uncomfortable sky up problem that daily or gentlemen cross type rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. let's start out with george in budapest. well,

we've been waiting for this for her a long time. it was a campaign promise, and no trump is making his um, his move as it were here. obviously, i'm making reference to what was going on at the munich security conference. and we had p peg sets, which kind of surprised us all. he eloquently delivered the administration's position with quite a bit of forcefulness, i would say much to the gloom and doom of the europeans, georgia. the you know, from the held said, i think it's an interesting game, but the trump administration is essentially saying ukraine has to make a territorial territorial concessions. the us is not backing ukraine membership in nato and no commitment of american troops in some kind of post, more post conflict environment where article 5 could be invoke that some

pretty interesting starting point. i mean, that was even up to negotiation, which should be your opinions found appalling. um, what do you get from that? because there's a lot of hard negotiations ahead. there's a lot of details and there's a, there's a lot of ambiguity out there. but from the get go, the trump administration is making very clear, it does want this more to come to an end. george, what was the question i, i agree fee the, that the but the trumpet those races, they play it once this war to and, and that is even clear from the, the telephone conversation that took place between the secretary of state, marco rubio and um, uh, russian foreign minister, so like a love rob they agreed on the meeting in saudi arabia is going to be obviously a very high level of negotiating team on both sides. and what was interesting from the russian read out of this conversation is that the united states pitched to

russia a general. the time, i mean, it was saying, well, the week, let's sit down, work out our differences and police, according to the russians. the americans brought up the a number of sol points with the russians, the issue of the embassies and the normalization of the rest of the situation with the embassies and the consulates. and the, essentially, the suggestion that the sanctions unilateral sanctions of united states impose on russia could be a pull negotiation. but there, that's sort of in a way where the problem lies, because i think this is what the trump administration want to say. look, we're offering russia and they told they knew anybody any improvements of relations, but then we want something in return from russia. basically we want russia to, and this will allow us to cease by now on this, this now. and i think that's going to be a difficult one because a get

a russian would then have to say, well, our issues have not yet been resolved. i mean, the issue to be with the, uh, the, for all the lists. they're not, they're not even fully in the roof and the russian controls and we want a permanent guaranteed, somehow security for us. and that's, that's, that's the hope isn't go put discussion. so it's going to be very, very tricky to going forward. yeah, damage. george is absolutely right. i mean, in some circles, i think it's fair to say there was euphoria that the there is light at the end of the tunnel. there is a commitment here, but is george rightly points out the war is continuing and there is no indication that it's going to stop any time soon. so we're really kind of in a levitated state here we have intentionality. we know we where we want to go. george is absolutely right. a form of de talent, which has been so grossly absent in us russia relations. so i mean, there's a vision, but what's the next step?

because the more is continuing dma. well, it's clear that the next step is going to be negotiations of both negotiations. how old is it? a market, who billable? and the sort of get a level of i'm a one to sign some kind of an agreement that pulled and the sports. yeah. they can agree on future thoughts that may bring that result. and the danger is that the idea of old school getting bolt is this. the goal sheets, of course, to the main idea of looks of the current, uh, european leadership and uh at least 5. so the gradient stablish, so basically i was barely assured by the phrase or other products from uh, from uh, uh, basically from, uh, uh, i'm going to go up, go up yesterday in doing it. he said that the, i mean, what we don't want to get to do is get to a large group of people in discussion. and so he'll say that, that the,

you may not be at the table. when do you ask old stokes with russia? well, that would be very, very good because this is what you would need for a good to go. she, since you need to call. so train all the big points. you know, this is why people mess where full of moles, that's why they never spoke about. they do all legit. uh they talk about the business. you know, here's what we've had. we've had with this quote, which is the wine. why are the what you know, why? again, you can only because they are from the warrant. ukraine big sap maybe bought some of the military industrial complex, and the crazy brand new national slide part will be will sell them instead of being at the margin. so green, what does expire? anybody to, to high positions? a rush chill last of course, because a couple were understaffed. you green became so much where it was most of the little ducks you were a because last, it's a profitable relationship with russia and mary cooled and promptly is a, is a for a magic person. i don't want to idealize him, he's not. the idea is to be smart,

that she wants to make money and she is a very much curious stage. and by the fact that we have spent $113000000000.00 on support for you. great. do you guys some of the information she thinks that she can quote them, say that by you bring your natural resources. that's going to happen when one of us will tell you that or the least she may stop rosie. you know, this is of what the see kind of still going from. that's what the email i sent here . are you bringing up the word losing and georgia, the ukraine has lost this military conflict. okay. how it ends? again, we still don't know, but it, we know the outcome, but the other big loser is europe. in all of this. i mean, the americans went to munich and basically lectured them even hector them. ok. so you're a vassal states vassals don't pull a or not invited to the table. you accepted that status. so don't complain. now,

george, that's, that's exactly right. and what the kellogg was suggesting when he said what we had in the past, we have too many people at the negotiating table was rip, referring to the main spruce. as i'm on my side, almost remember the americans weren't involved in it. so that was a european process, so that could have been the opportunity for the europeans to throw the wage and, and to resolve this. so you know, that, you know, that was that he was under the, the french german war spaces in the midst prices. they didn't do anything in the year of the, in the russians issue. they complain. so essentially, you know, they look like no one's doing anything about the implementing minutes and they didn't bother doing anything. so now they, the mom a seat at the table, having malik 1st we've failed for 8 years to do anything with that. see the table of it. but it did usually you reveal aspect of it could,

could be quite dangerous because they absolutely uh, re bid. there's going to be a meeting on monday involving all the high level european states. you know, my chrome just in the powder is micro will be this dom i'm a little. i mean, i'm sure the trump administration shaking in their boot. it's so that that's exactly. but they, it, you know, they're so demented that they intend to be somehow involved in ukraine's, and that's where it starts getting very dangerous because if, well, yeah, i think there's also a call or a to that dema is that, um, also uh, the american delegation made it very clear or maybe not crystal clear, but your, your role is to clean up the mess because american troops are not going to be there . there's not going to be the kind of security guarantees that you would like to have the image without american security guarantees. we are being was the months are essentially useless. i mean, what the u. k. and you go and we came, have a 100 years during the agreement. i mean,

this is just comical stuff here. so europe is paying the cost for its negligence. and i think both of you are a surprise. i certainly was to hear people exit, talk about the men's process. we've never really heard of a high level american official actually mention it in the context that he did. there's a learning curve over there, some place of depending on dma a well, it's amazing. i saw the european lead is a, is a, i mean, bent, if you don't, you just risk boss to, uh trumps. moves actually. uh, what we hear is, oh, mooney could game. i mean, still doing that. how long have you been say it's, you know, i think for 30 years every, get them to have diet work with brush it was met with the once about unique and even though rochard was not present unique in 1938, there was something between the drugs the french and the british. so again, a toner just to comes to russia. that's for on projects indicate

a new new bands at, that's your, that's a normal how is how was advanced that they can, you can just set the tools you know, into you're being imprisoned. for a expression of beams which did not fit through these terrible ultra liberal ideal would you know, at the rest of the body j. a person's brain next to on a bush clean the stairs. you know, no one did it before. so basically, uh, basically what we see is, uh there you are, please. i told you always get at the same time blots those cheap and borders blocks, those 2 people to europe. these are the only part if you, that's one of them wants to continue. you know, they just allows kansas to me, they want, they want to continue because they exist. they, they hold onto their, well, i mean and deem it, i mean, well, you know, it was just because it pumped, we've just, yeah, but it can be for material reasons. obviously there's an how ideological element. we can't allow the russians to win. that's not george,

that's not thinking geo politically, this is one of the biggest problems we've had with this complex, but i think what they're really worried about it, we'll talk about in the 2nd part of the program as well, is a nato is at stake here. and they all know it may do is at stake it because this is why we're in a unprecedented situation whereby the americans are saying we on out, we want to bring this thing to an end to your advantage. this thing though, we want to keep it going, but the question is, well, how are you? europeans are going to keep it going without the americans, adams, and then the landscape came along. the music isn't going to come to us at all while you go to come up with a european on media. but that's the events that have the hip. so the isn't feasible though, but so that's, that's is very, very unusual because in the policy, it's always been the other way around. we had belligerent the americans and the europeans was a no, no calm down in the reassuring everything. but this time it's a europeans that a, i'll deliver in the americans, you know, they,

they want out. but i think why it's dangerous, because for the, for rush really doesn't provide any security guarantees difficult. a european come to the right that holding, i hope we're going to continue talking about nato. and the 2nd part of the program, gentlemen, i'm going to go to a quick break. and after that quick break, we'll continue our discussion on russia, ukraine, and the trump administration. stay with our team, the, the gym and so just to deal with the other one was taking the picture. they were proud of the muscle by the way, to go in your mouth. so i didn't recommend your opinion or no, but he got cutting away. well, i actually was who i see on google more guy and with then almost a week ago. and then we'll get to under the, under the general say to us, love to the street. but this, this indeed reality last has never been to the did you purchase

a i'm tied to the police. yeah. genocides hard to time prize size and call you to do this to yourself of it's just extra us us to give you isn't actually this is a very vote decision by the gym and government to even stop because association when the agreement was reached, gena, they did more divisions and more and got more questions or more of those they are is using to pay us what they are giving us is the pollution countries. and now we have not been supportive calls. what has been happening here. it will open the ponder as books, the next thing it will be them full then also have to pay the, the, the,

the welcome back to prospect bullhorn. so are all things are considered non peter level in dma. we've talked about the trump administrations of pitch. we've talked about the european reaction to it. now on this program, we're going to talk about, well, about something that hardly anyone else talks about. and it's very important how, what will the russians settle for? because, you know, you know, we nato expansion, not one in east. we had nato destroyed about po, uh, the former yugoslavia and nato has been causing trouble all around the world. it's already been mentioned on this program. the mens process thing we can add to that is stem bull informed were viewers will know exactly what we're talking about. the

russians don't want to get fooled again and i will living here the russian people don't want to set the settle for less. there's a lot of pressure on the kremlin, on president putin. well, you're absolutely right. and actually the, what do you see is all the european union are based on to absolutely erroneous wild suppositions. the 1st one is that i go to general is not stopping to train you what, what the example and after that, that's the 1st, while it's a position of the seconds, while if with purple, what they call, which is g m, as it will be so much nice that, you know, there will be quotations for crash other will be peaceful. going, russia. it's absolutely wrong. you know, if i want to do is replaced by someone, the cone that's going to do is going to be a lot more belligerent to what's your, because the majority over actions are very and great that you, it's a lot of people expect you to play the role media to during the music process ended,

but before, and you're always playing with us. and now the b. c, you know, people see how i'm doing american, let's say when that what we're serious about is the quotes. we just wanted a new grade to get time to think people here for what the know they say, what should be here. russians have access with the media a lot of us before, and they're just now they're a google translate us. if you want to check what she said, so uh indeed my own default is that the president against power will be important enough to come. the other thoughts has here and still agreed to some kind of what it will be. i don't know. what i can say is that what you never want, that's all the car. i'm just left. she. you know, i remember she's cool. we already have everything that we need here. what we need from your brain is your age. your credit. uh and obviously uh,

an agreement look, have to be its uh, achieved at some point built on the with the united states, but with the need to. so because if you're remains in danger, and if you're pre main strengthening, that volts you will be left towards you. not present what things are so, but they left to get a bit and see george, that's what gets it. that's the crux of it all. here is the root causes of it all, and of course all of us want to see this carnage come to an end. and i repeat what i've said for 3 years, a conflict that never ever should have happened in the 1st place. my goodness is we're talking about this, can you imagine them the soldiers in the field wondering who's going to be the last one to die as politicians talk? that's a risk thought to contemplate and do it. the, the issue that really needs to be addressed is security for all, for all the and the west has to, we learn this, they have forgot. ok nobody because they've been ideologically blinded. and most of

phobia blinds people into and doing very, very dangerous things to be seen for the last 3 years. security guarantees for all we're all old enough to remember the helsinki process. we're not the so all that we met, we member yelled to, but it, we need something, yelled a yell to slash helsinki process. it. trump isn't a hurry. you can't get this kind of stuff done quickly. george, where you call, and then you're, you're actually right. the zip um, what the referee is looking for and that, and it has been since ever since it issue those 2 documents of december 2021 is helsinki 2 point. oh um. the problem there is that the europeans are absolutely no mood for any kind of the helsinki process. so even if some kind of a global conference were arranged under the auspices of the united states, they wouldn't do anything. i mean, they, they wouldn't agree on anything full. what would happen is that the europeans would

be there, you know, the carrier call us and it was the live on the line and then it will, wherever is the german chancellor. jo friedrich much, and they would spend that time yelling and ranting and raving against the russians . they wouldn't agree to anything. and that's why the, the thank you though. so if of things, what would russia settle? what would, i mean? obviously there's the issue of the for all blessed with, you know, rep address is not in full control of, that's one thing. and then there's the live, the long term security guarantee is. and it's very hard to see how it can get those long term security guard just given the mood in the europe. the, the danger, however, for russia is that if it says no, we're not supplemental. this then is actually, this would have been a, you know, an opportunity to get lost because there's no question. you know, the united states is doing something the bible didn't do well. bonnet didn't do it . he's the united states is now offering some kind of a publisher and the removal of ups that goes to a fruitful relationship. you have to say no to that. then, you know,

roughly would be in the very difficult position because i think of them the trump administration, particularly trump, himself mercurial as he is with them, you know, resume hostility. and that is something even more intense then. um and then the bite of this patient is, so that's a very difficult situation for us. your address to really mean, you know, who maneuver very, very cleverly, very a skewed way, a very diplomatic made to keep the americans on board. why did sure and did so long term security interest edema. it tell our audience how russians have thought about this conflict in the late being able to contemplate that it could relatively soon come to an end. we never really hear much about what russians think were russians are always talked at, but they're very rarely listen to. so give us a flavor of the time right now. no worries. no. the you there is

a pdf. give me just a few costs for the 1st time. uh, in 3 years we have a good news to know about the some kind of dial restarted drescher, the west. and of course, uh no, i'm in groceries. crepey about people dying. and there was no, and there is no f decatur to was you agree? yes. relations between grasses, debris. and so i very much like relations between the french leave them in the, in front of the french, even in belgium and quote, her may be a few, jo. so, but the generally speaking, there was never any feature least what was the idea of what people from the stop, you know, it was the walk on the west against russia. and right now what the o d u month, you know, these 4 regions in ukraine. we need them 1st because they have always been populated by of the questions. i mean, reach, history. co. russia was expended by the south of parking lots of money by its po,

the, these areas see the web see what populated by russians from inside, deep inside glass shirts and, and we need these for robots for security because their song is next to create a new without tears sometimes use all is exposed. uh, basically is alpha rogia is the link between main with russia in pretty near show that there can be transportation and don't boss, you know, don't, yes, campbell desk. they, they boomed. they are building brush or they suffered so much for 10 years. quantum voltage, close them. uh, stripes from view bring sites. uh, the boat hadaway they, they lost solely. so basically what process requires a medium above everyone was difficult to and people very of get the sol dash of liberals, emmy brand new belts go. and i will say, oh no, no. uh, you know, when they were reading it, they said we said before so much we can stand up. and though they say, don't stop both the rules continue. ukraine con flows. so these people who's in the

ramp, so they're pretty, pretty typical. yeah. well, that's one good thing about all this, the russian liberals of the so marginalize themselves, they've turned into a national and international joke, a topic for another program, george, it, um, it's been talked about it, but i think it's just very vague right now and maybe it didn't part of this you for you? um uh the trump and she could be in in moscow on may, 9th um the 80th anniversary of the defeat of fascism in europe. that would be that would, that would be of a magnitude of the fall of the berlin wall. george made it so it would be in full days just move something crumpled like, i mean i was like bold moves. um i, i, i, it was the, and he is not going to do that. it would just go so much. uh, comes to the lease and uh, in washington. any your buddies quite possible that they will be some senior us uh,

representations you know, maybe a go at the level of buckle rubio, maybe at the level of the keys catalog, but they will be some us representation in itself would be a significant move and a game, you know, would be it, does the russell been in a very tricky position because the americans are making all of these moves, but they was, i think, in real time, they want you to end this war. even though the russia has a visitation ought to accomplish the goal. so therefore, it only adds a southern measure of pressure on russia in the idea of how to respond to what was the be a very, you know, a generous offer by, by the american say, look, we recognize all of you, you will suffer anything we recognize you know all of the terrible things that have been done to you and we, you know, we're here. so now we want something from you in return. you know, trump or anyone's, this piece agreement. he wants to done and he wants it done. so a demon, how did um uh, the former president of ukraine,

the zalinski acquit himself in in munich because he threw a quite a few temper tantrums. um, i mean uh he feels that, um, uh, he's been spurned by the americans, which i think is a fair assessment. but we can hear it. but his, um, uh the, the countries that are with the recording him, i don't really the are, are not significant. i mean, emily, in a better box, she can yell and scream all you want, but nobody was the tears. what she says, i mean, the europeans will, you know, might marry him. but you know that, that, that's a sloppy seconds. as we used to say in high school diploma. well, this is becoming a software suitcase with all the handle of where you are, you know, for the europeans because they haven't invested so much. you know, they gave you all kinds of order assume prompts. there was a joke, it don't you remain to put him in the principal, you know, the very human defense or the only problem is he's not the french citizen. so that was the only of what he didn't get to keep up all sorts of order screen read the

from your products. and no, i wonder how many passports he actually has like a that's a sidebar. okay. and the appropriate fees that the, he amount feels himself for that. so he makes contradictory statement. so i, oh, i'm ready to give trial old and they show results us will be great and all the lab got, you know, it's like a bankrupt uh, gamble. you know, it says i have so much of oh, you can show them the bacon so far. i gentleman on that note. um, he definitely was the big loser in munich. um, a fascinating discussion and what i think my guessing, budapest, in here in moscow. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time. remember across top roles the, [000:00:00;00]

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