the, the long time they've done it before on the top right, the seemingly seeing the bigger picture is he says, piece told to the bottom improvement will happen very soon. about size. european officials are basically losing it with washington, leaving them out in the com. let me conclude and this becomes difficult, the side of the you and ukraine, i look on as the russians, and americans are planning for a piece that we take a deep dive on how the routing and lead in brussels on key of essentially scope the conflict from the beginning and while, if anyone doesn't you out with trends cutoffs, quote, the dates of a hail will be opened alongside him if the us secretary of state was nothing but

praise for his rails regional admission. there were more israel's, in the middle east, more countries like that there was would be a fate for an a better place. and this is what we hope for the region. 10 for our plan. just kind of gets off of what was a former is 80 about a case a book about time is just behind this as we go to the top of it is well on how we head to a village and stuff and let them know what locals. again and across has all of these really mean to treat these people right? that simply trying to return home the parts are with i guess on our correspondence study by to join us for a busy live our from must go. it's a pleasure to have your company here is taking off the news hour here on save with allies really a on the approaching prospects of peace between russia and ukraine. a us president donald trump says he will very soon be meeting was not improved. a meeting

with us and saudi arabia that time. it could be very soon. yeah, that's what i'm much more about this right now with all these, i don't know, quoted not joining us or the shoot you a very good morning to you. wow. i mean, this is incredible, right? of us delegation, apparently heading to re add that going to be meeting with the russian delegation there as well. i mean, as i understand, you know, for all these years, this is going to be the 1st high level meeting between russia and america in yes, that's right. and we finally got confirmation that you are that trump's, a special envoys in the middle east, steve with coff has, is already set to be going to saudi arabia with the goal of building trust with moscow and making progress towards peace. i don't want to talk too much about that in specifically, maria, but i am going to night i'll be traveling there. ready the national, secure. ready the advisor and we'll be having meetings at the direction of the president and hopefully we'll, we'll,

we'll make some really good progress with regard to russia. ukraine. as i mentioned that steve with coffee is not going to be going alone. you know, you know, who else might be that? that's right along with, with cough. we're also seeing reports that secretary state marco rubio is going to be going with an out along with national security advisor mike waltz. so in terms of the russian side, there are also media reports that the for administer is going to be going there sort a lab problem. but we have yet to receive any sort of confirmation from moscow on that. but at any rate, these negotiations are set to take place on tuesday. and it's no doubt bad news for vladimir zalinski who was already trying to spread fantasies about some sort of russian invasion of europe to try to create tension. but from obviously not buying . and he says that moscow is dedicated to piece, to the way the

you want to stop fighting. i see that we spoke wrong in hard 3 hours. they have a big, powerful machine. you understand the letter and they did a long time. they've done it before, but i think you'd like this. i think you would like to sell. that would have been a big problem for us. you know, we saw the american vice president j. d. von. so the munich security conference really given the audience a dressing down, telling one of them, your prior things are all mixed up. and then, of course, is that is it lensky. he made some comments there as well. he had made some controversial comments. it seems to he is a bit under pressure these days. tell me about that. let's. yeah, i mean, he definitely seems very upset with the whole situation. he's not just making up stories about the russian invasion of europe, but he's also saying stuff like,

apparently it's a horrible thing that washington and mosque our finally being able to sit down at the negotiating table and come up with some productive solutions possibly. but you know, trump, uh, as long as he says that essentially trumps acting without a plan. what is the trump administrations piece plan? do they have one look so? so 1st of all, i've seen no they, they don't have a real time because they come have it without us. i can show maybe that and there are some ideas and that your, some ideas about the economy. how does your economy, how to invest? we spoke mostly about teeth with weiss pressing. i think security guarantees told today the question of the president with all of this that twice president. but it's about more to president because he's the president of the united states and he is a leader of may 2, and each man that lives are all the security allies to that's not really surprising

. that's once you would feel frustrated after the way that everything's gone. down, i mean, she is not even on the guest list in saudi arabians lensky is going to be in the country when these negotiations take place screen. but at any rate, finally, you know, the us had of state of scene. i die with moscow. this is after years of russian officials calling for peace negotiations and washington just basically didn't give them the time of day until now when it's too little too late. as far as the ones that you will be involved in. is there a certain question? no, i don't think so as long as he's there, but you know, at some point you're gonna have to have elections to you're gonna have to have another along with key of the european union also seems to be scrambling for

a position at the negotiating table. but washington has not really shown very much interest in that, and some us officials have even said that they're not going to be there. so with a lot of media reports and unconfirmed information, some confirmed information, we're gonna have to see how this meeting and saudi arabia plays out. indeed, when you think about the u. k. leadership and in the recent past weeks now saying that we're going to support your crime for the next 100 years and so on and so forth. we'll keep giving them weapons and cash. and then trump comes along. it looks like all the hopes of just being dash, i don't know quarter. thank you. well, we heard from a former director of us into governmental affairs about these latest developments. so steve gill visa is off the years of 5. trump is now setting the stage for a real chance of peace. you cannot resolve conflict if you're not talking, having conversations about how to resolve the conflict. and i think that we haven't seen that over the last several years is divided administration. but under president trump reaching out and now beginning the conversation with president

booth and the russians, i think there's a real pathway to find you not only piece, but also better prosperity for all the nations involved. i do think it's kind of ironic that you have present zalinski complaining about being cut out of these. go see ations when he pushed the legislation in ukraine to make it illegal for him to negotiate with russia. so now i guess he's complaining that he can't break the law by being involved in the go see ations. i think the other irony here is that the presence of lensky has been bad mouth in the united states. talking trash about the us when they're not doing exactly what he wants to do. not sending more money, more weapons to ukraine after he just boston and back track on his agreement to, to provide about a half $1000000000.00 in resources to the us to help pay back the humanitarian aid in the military. a that's been provided to them. so i think presence of lensky when

he has canceled the elections and is now saying they don't need to have elections. of people in your brain don't want elections. that's uh, president trump. uh, there are at odds with prizes or trump, where they're refusing to, to pay back the money and munitions that the u. s. has put in place and then complaining about not being. and so they go see ation table and the, let's see, made it illegal for him to be able to go see agent. they will. so i think president trump is making the wise decision. we're going to move forward with adults in the room at some point variable involved. so let's see. and you're right. so the 3 day munich security conference has wrapped up and properly to the relief for those in attendance, especially at the us vice president j. d. barnes basically told the european audience they put all their priorities wrong. violence was met with stone, cold stairs, and bailey, a glimmer of any applause and even the conference chapman. yeah. he basically lost it. this order is easy to disrupt. it's easy to destroy, but it's much harder to reboot. so that us stick to these values. let us not

reinvent them, but focus on strengthening their consistent application. let me conclude dentist becomes difficult. the, when at least he got some hugs. let's go ahead and join our guests right now. here are not you international. on the far right of the screen is t r t world editor at large a use of add them use of a very well welcome to you. in the middle screen we have esl comes the most splitting india. john was a very welcome, so i thank you for coming on and of course we have a cold and strong new key of the strategy and security. i listen to university of my lie a gentleman, all 3 of you, a very, very well well, it's my pleasure to have you with us here on the program today. use of i will start with you if i may just, let's go back to this uh, unit security conference. so just tell me about your thoughts here. the obvious,

the vision in view points in the interests conflicting vision between europe and america. it was really on display and it definitely was i have when we look at the election of donald trump, it's probably europe's worst nightmare. because the over the past 3 years, they've approached a conflict in ukraine from a one dimensional perspective. on not allowing any room for a diplomatic solution. and now all of a sudden when you have the most powerful country in the world there, nato ally, they're probably most dependable ally, historically pulling you can complete, you turn of every dynamic you turn as well. they're left without any type of newberg space. so they're wondering right now what to do, how to pull this, you turn, they're not as dynamic as the united states. you have multiple voices coming from the european consummate. you have a man like or bonded who wants peace. you have people like the germans,

the european commission, who are more pro war, continue in the war, and you have a lot of countries undecided, but this was expected. i think the major problem in europe right now is it lack of leadership and what i mean, the lack of leadership. when we look at your historically in the past, you've had figures like i can go america who was the german chancellor. but at the same time, the voice of europe, but you don't have that type of voice right now moving forward. you don't have a unifier as a head of state in any of the european countries. now traditionally this was either for the german chancellor or the french president, but the german chancellor right now is, has an election on popular the french president very unpopular as well. you case with greg did. so you have a lack of leadership. yeah. in the you being able to bring these people together to pull that really, why you turn it and come back to the diplomatic table in trump understands that

trump is looking at how he can work with he doesn't see someone viable to work with . and this is leaving the europeans on the sidelines and at the united states unilaterally, will most likely be engaging of the russian precedent on peace without any major european voice at that table. well yeah, i think is a great, a good point use of i don't, don't know, time really wants to work with, for example, the munich conference chapman, who just started blabbing and blubbering and crying. i mean the guy, the guy just lost it in front of the crowd there, and yet he's supposed to be the munich security conference. chad and it just blows my mind. it's all content over to you if i can. of course, the indian foreign minister, a sort of mind john john carter, also taking part in the conference. gentleman, please, personally listen to this comment from the indian foreign minister. that was at the time. and i have to say this in all honesty, bad, west treated democracy as a western kind of push take on was busy, encouraging non democratic forces in the global tongue is still with us. i mean,

in many, many cases i can find somebody recent ones, where actually every thing that you say you value at home, you don't practice abroad. so i do think the rest of the global salt view. you know, the, the successors and the shortcomings. and the, the sponsors of other countries, they will also ask themselves which ones of them there really isn't really bold statements that from josh and caught it. and yet that guy's never holding his tongue these days he needs and he says, when it comes to democracy, you know, practice what you preach, mr. constant over to you. a. yeah, absolutely. when guys do us actually spread democracy, the us once installed public leaders all over the world. and you know, if you look at, during the cold war, in the name of the fighting communism's a do us just double installed the router. dictators in latin

america and in africa and in asia. and same thing now is happening in uh we ukraine, you know, so there are no election, says the villains he is basically age of a dictate or do i do us funded and armed denazi's and ukraine for more than a decade. democracy. so in the munich security conference, you know, they talked about, you know, the theme was multi polar world. yeah. and, uh, i, that's why they really have to do uh, work to work. yeah. and if you look at your opinions, they just realized that they're, they're just, they're vassals, and they don't mean uh, turn into a, uh, i mean,

the thing do i do us, i think i know, i think i think you make a pretty good point. and i do apologize for interrupting you, but you know, some people cool europe and lead us laughed all because of america. and essentially what america really kicked off the ukraine conflicts so many years ago. let me go back to the 2014 us sponsored my down. cool. i mean, american really got the ball rolling of the lap dogs jumped into a lot of america, but now the administration has changed. the lot. dogs don't know who is that mazda, and who should they? why did tales full cold and strong over to you? if i may, the chinese for administer was at the munich security conference. he, he made a few statements here. have a listen to what the chinese foreign minister had to say, please the best. so let me show you around. audio was china and russia are 2 neighbors with a long border line based on our mutual trust. we have built a comprehensive, strategic partnership with from so about china, ending gas purchases from russia. i'd like to ask this if china does not buy gas from russia, what country will be able to provide then with so much gas, which, as to meet the needs of chinese people. it's not possible. and it's not safe

because, you know, some countries tend to politicize economic and trade issues and treat them as a tool to suppress china all along. we have advocated that all disputes and disagreements should be settled through dialogue. however, if the us is not willing, if it is bent on suppressing and containing china, then we have no choice but to play along to the end. we will resolutely uphold china sovereignty national dignity and our legitimate development rates. and we will resolutely respond to the unilateral bullying practices of the us. but by okay, what color strong, those are very strong comments. different china is foreign minister essentially saying that america uses tools to suppress china. it's no good as an outdated playbook your thoughts. well, we'll see a new change on the top. we see the different tools being used. now we have detached strategies to go cost. be able to sing how child needs that to, to consolidate. you seem to know, i know you mentioned perception,

but with regards to you the issue of your previous we have seen how the over for, for the past couple of years now we have seen how you can pause, have use us as, as a big back on on the trend of russia and now that this, you know, the entire ship got for europe and security, we from stripe to, to leave out europe. and this is a good thing. i mean, this is the common fasting that from us always been saying that look useful and used to and, and you don't get old as being a problem or the box. and, you know, using gives us the feet that slow continuous, so truth, the confrontation, we've russia, i really think you'll create as the ultimate predicts about of cost. also be riding the u. s. and also financial as need be support. so now that this is the bass reduction, google and we does investigate, uses a group of forward and i believe that you know, thomas presidency, you the entire change in policy, the less you read so was rushing most drugs and possibly to was trying to as well because you have, you know, you find, you know, options on the table in dealing with china and also rush you. but my hope is that

a possibility and trouble get along fine. and this is a new create and will be you know, ending soon read up the you know, patio so that you can call us, i've been giving to, you know, both sizes all along. so this is a good both fall focus on. all right. all right, so i'm pretty helpful. comments are and i do admire optimism, and i think one of us have our fingers crossed. frankly, a use of a back to you because the turkish foreign minister was actually doing an interview with your child the world. and he was saying that you are just not often say the toki toughie. i should be a part of the negotiation or series the regulation of the crisis in ukraine. and do you think you think i'm to, i should be a component? and i definitely think i'll encourage should be because when you look at just the over the past 3 years, they're probably best position to be at the negotiating table. i mean, every one of the major diplomatic breakthrough since the conflict started 3 years ago, have had some type of surface footprint on it. whether it be broken, you have a great cord or the or whether it be one of the major presenters swaps. whether it

be the april 2022, assembled deal that the sabotaged by boris johnson of whether it even meeting between the russian for mr. sergey lab, robin, gen ukrainian for mr. demetrius labor. at the tell you diplomacy farm, every one of these diplomatic breakthroughs had a turkish footprint on it, and it was smart since the beginning of the conflict. it kept this relationship with ukraine and kept this relationship with russia. and it was a book car compartment wise book that wasn't easy, but it was a huge diplomatic success and it gave a blueprint a template of how these countries should have managed the past 3 years. but right then again, none of them did throughout the set 3 years. turkish press, the origin, the type ad one was called pro russian when he was probably one of the only pro peace guys. probably the 1st pro peace politician vocal and advocating for a diplomatic solution and he did everything he could,

but unfortunately he was working against the blog that i want to see a protracted war. yeah, exactly, very well said, especially your last comment that use of as i'll contact back to you if i may. because you know, the west does, frankly, it does seem well just on shaky ground. but it seems increasingly divided a real lack of unity, frankly. and this comes at the brick countries a growing continuing to find common ground at the end during the foreign minister of the munich security conference. he also mentioned bricks the saying, and a growing number of countries want to join the group. so what's the content, what is there about bricks? the west does not have. it was, you know, uh the bricks is about a win win partnership, and there's no one leader that is going to dictate to the rest. so that's to, uh, democracy and the, you know, there's no one big of a currency that all the members are forced to use. there are no sanctions. there's

no divided rule. so if you look at a us based uh at the international is ordered, it's all based on the dividing rule and to keep the others down. and that's the big difference between uh, brakes and say g 7. yeah, yeah, you know, you talk about what is now, i guess the, the old school in a room space international order. really just a bunch of less the liberals and their imperialistic admissions. excuse me, by saying that totally strong back over to you. if i made because the chinese foreign minister was, according on europe to engage in resolving the ukraine crisis. but judging by the statements and policies of european officials, that they only really apparently want to keep it going that way, seemingly so unwilling to make the steps towards peace. why using europe like this? now, it is not surprising because we have seen how, you know,

best use this as an effect of voice, you know, continuous authorial, you know, approach to us, lucko and about the cost would be this. you know, i'm back on the solutions on the, by the end of the last, just in how washington has, you know, so reading the old black, you know, to, to do just that. and now that from you've seen the picture and death quasi is the new scramble to us, the new orientation of your best scrutiny. but can you just find yourself? we don't support the trends and i know we've, we've promised new, you know, approach. we will see how you would need to find a new products, you know, i know this ongoing people do looking forward and hopefully this appalling relations between russia and the us and is comfortable. and so we, they would have a new, you know, strong ground, the foundation to, to ensure that they will need a strong, you know, still kind of rush and track as repeat this voice phone. when you treat increase and we treat, you know, an investment. so we'll see that, you know, tom gets being seen as appropriate data and it will be so you have the product to be so doing the 1st of and you will do it slowly and then 2nd them and hopefully

that we will see this, this new reset of size between both countries, especially in the us. and these are also spelled a not doing so also utilize the whole thing because they do need to, to really ensure that there will be also pro peace, you know, and both of them you does uh, hopefully get to what's that about. yeah. which is what you're seeing so many changes in motion. he, i mean, it really seems like, you know, the amount of moves on today's period. political chessboard is like every day there's something really new and crucial to talk about. use it back to you if you would give me a snapshot. just give me a brief snapshot you optimistic about the upcoming meeting between russian and american officials and saudi arabia. do you think they can start to build a bridge to bring peace to you? i so i'm very, very optimistic because uh, when we look at donald trump, what he said on the campaign trail, when he did during his 1st administration, he wants his legacy to be piece. i think that's very, very important for him. and if that's the legacy he wants,

bringing peace in ukraine is the holy grail for that legacy. you have to realize that donald trump, as an individual, his personal motivations regarding legacy, especially when you have multiple children and grandchildren who are future viable us presidential candidates that legacy for him is more important than your average us presently because he wants to leave behind that positive image behind the trump name. right. and i think he's mandated his secretary of state. he's mandated officials that are directly involved, whether the secretary of defense or any of the envoys that will be meeting with the russians to find ways and explore ways to bring this up much of the loose piece that everyone's been looking for. i these very lucky because he has a template in the april 2022 dissembled deal that we profit. of course the realities on the ground. the have changed is 2022. but it's a template. it's a template that can be built upon. yeah. and i think trump before this meeting saying that listing there won't be any natal hoffer to you frame and sending those

messages to vladimir, put in that your red lines are not even going to be negotiated. we're going to negotiate everything aside from the red line. so he sent the message that there's going to be common sense negotiations there to them to be reasonable negotiations. right. and i think that was very important. some people say trump saw trump lost his advantage by saying that i don't think so. do you think the russian president would have sat down with trumpet? the said no. nato membership is on the tables. no, he's not because that's one of the reasons why this conflict started in the 1st. if somebody and trumpet noticed that remove. yeah. yeah. so it's what exactly you have to remove the red lines. yeah. remove the red lines before the set that i think it was a very smart lube by him. i mean, obviously he's a master deal maker. he understands how to make a deal and he understands what it's going to take to have the russians come to the table and sit down and have an honest discussion of how this conflict with the end of the i think it's in everyone's favor. i think the russians want this war over

the americans want over, and i think the europeans secretly want this over to at the end, the day inflation rising energy prices, i just don't think they understand how to pull in honorable. you turn honorable exit from the past. the 3 isn't hired of politicians that will use if i'm sorry to drop here. but there's also this disconnect with, with, with the leadership in europe because there is no leadership in europe. none of them a catering to was the tax payers, none of them, a catering to the voters. it's brussels and this big state compile the military industrial complex and as old imperial ambitions of the great game has been going on for a while of a one you know, 100 yes. use if yes, quickly. i see. i see i see a lot of potential in the italian prime minister as a potential future leader. i think she could be the new matter kind of going forward. but again, that requires her to step up more. take a type of these types of foreign policy issues a, she hasn't been a unifier yet on the ukraine conflict by think if there is going to be someone to

step up from the your team content to united by your own and not going to be my crime is not going to be showing. yeah. it's most likely going to be malone. yeah. to be. it could be all right. appreciate that yourself. i missed the concept back to you and i've, i knew i haven't got much time here. may but look, it does seem that in about 24 hours from now, these potential peace tools are going to start in saudi arabia between americans and russians just briefly. are you up to a mistake or is it just to show? well, i think what the drum is trying is to pull a russia to be away from the brakes and try yeah, yeah, because a trump is not just going to give you create in line and remove all the sanctions and do not denali stream back. but he wants something in return, and that's why be, we'll say, yeah, i think it's a very, very good point and, and call a strong ever to you for the final word on this. you had mentioned moments ago that

you are optimistic. we're looking at 24 hours now the peaceful, kicking off into re add your thoughts of costs. i think things are looking positively. i hate both countries. and of course, you know, did those, i'll stop by google been published. and i know this new check out will be attractive to both of the military industrial complex of the us as well as in google and has, you know, and you'll see all these various if you know, lead me is being setting based and i've cost comedy is being seen us, you know, a piece make a deal make up and you know, the, the, the, the trip on them at that end. and the idea to toledo, commonsense, the season, you know, the fraternity of this company, you know, going on, honestly, based a lot of lives. i, that both sides. and i used to as a way forward, as you know, just, you know, being the easiest lowest. i mean, it will be as close to 5 for direct, you know, piece deal will be we boss, probably don't copy all this and know conventional pos various big be mobile now. and all this for this most being done by, by them,

especially have now been last the nicole. and this is really cool. you know, the, a different boss make a that's being made now. and i'm really ready of the mistake that comedies and treatment for people both see are we out? so what is conflict? you know, i, i think the discussion right here, it represents a small snapshot of what so many people are feeling in the world today. there was a sense i'm a bit, this is feeling of renewed optimism with this new leadership in united states. we are seeing big things happening. and when you look at the reactor here, okay, i'm leaders. yeah, exactly. a returned to common sense with adults returning to the run, calling the strong you cheat is on the left screen. their strategy is security. i'm listen to university maliah in the center screen. so content was from split and india. and of course, t r t world editor at large a use of editing on the far right screen to all 3 of you gentlemen, it's been an absolute pleasure. thank you so much for your time and your commentary . thank you. okay, thank you. thank you. and while european politicians.