is not backing ukraine membership in nato and no commitment of american troops in some kind of post war posts, conflict environment where article 5 could be invoked. that's a pretty interesting starting point. i mean, that was even up to negotiation, which would be your opinions found appalling. um, what do you get from them? because there's a lot of hard negotiations ahead. there's a lot of details and there's a, there's a lot of ambiguity out there. but from the get go, the trump in ministrations making very clear. it does want this more to come to an end. george, what was the question i, i agree piece of that the, but the trumpet those races, they play it once this war to and, and that is even clear from the, the telephone conversation that took place between the secretary of state, marco rubio and um, uh, russian foreign minister, so like a lover of they agreed on the meeting in saudi arabia is going to be obviously

a very high level of negotiating team on both sides. and what was interesting from the, the russian read out of this conversation is that the united states pitched to russia a general. the time, i mean, it was saying, well, the week with, let's sit down, work out our differences and police, according to the russians. the americans brought up the, a number of sol points with the russians, the issue of the embassies and the normalization of right. but the situation with the embassies and the consulate. and the, essentially, the suggestion that the sanctions unilateral sanctions of the united states impose on russia could be a pull negotiation. but there, that's when they get away with the problem lies because i think this is what the, from the administration what they say, look, we are offering russia and they did tell them you,

then any improvement of relations. but then we want something in return from russia, basically we want russia to, and this will allow us to cease find out on this this now. and i think that's going to be a difficult one because the irregular russian would then have to say, well, our issues have not yet been resolved. i mean, the issue to be with the, uh, the, for all the lists. they're not, they're not being fully and across from the russian controls, and we want a permanent guaranteed, somehow security for us. and that, that, that hope isn't up with discussion. so it's going to be very, very tricky to going forward. yeah, damage. george is absolutely right. i mean, in some circles, i think it's fair to say there was euphoria that the there is light at the end of the tunnel. there is a commitment here, but is george rightly points out the war is continuing and there is no indication that it's going to stop any time soon. so we're really kind it in a levitated state here we have intentionality. we know we where we want to go.

george is absolutely right. a form of de talent, which has been so grossly absent in us, russia relations. so, i mean, there's a vision, but what's the next step because the war is continuing dma. well, it's clear that the next step is going to be negotiations of both negotiations. how old is it? a market, who billable? and the certainly a level of i'm not going to sign some kind of an agreement that pulled and the sports. yeah. they can agree on future dogs that may bring that result. and the danger is that the idea of loans will get enrolled into this. the goal sheets, of course, to the main idea of looks of the current, uh, european leadership and uh at least 5. so the gradient stablish, so basically i was better reassured by the phrase or other crowd from uh, from uh, uh, basically from uh, a deep go of disco yesterday in doing it. he said that the,

i think what we don't want to get to do is get the large group of people in discussion. and he'll say that the you may not be at the table. when do you ask hold stokes, with russia? well, that would be very, very cool, because this is what you would need for a good to go. she, since you need to call. so train all the people and you know, this is why people that's where full of moles, that's why they never broke about. they do all which it's, uh, they talk about business, you know, here's what we've had. we've had with this quote, which is the wine warrant out the idea of what you know, why? again, you can only because they are from the warrant ukraine, except maybe bought some of the military industrial complex. and the crazy brand new national slide part will be, will sell them instead of being at the margin. so between what does expire anybody to, to high positions rushed to law stuff was because we understand the green became

so much what it was most then all ducks you are a because last it's a lot of the relationship with russia and mary colt and trump is a is a 1st magic person, i don't want to idealize him. he's not. the idea is to be smart, that she wants to make money and she is a very much curious agent by the fact that there we spend $113000000000.00 on support for you. great. do you guys some of the information she thinks that she can quote and say that by you bring in the actual results that's going to happen. i mean, one of us will tell you that, or the least she made spoke rosie, you know, this is what the us you can achieve still going from. that's what's the email i sent here, are you bringing up the word losing and georgia, a ukraine has lost this military conflict. okay. how it ends? again, we still don't know, but it, we know the outcome, but the other big lose or is europe in all of this?

i mean, the americans went to munich and basically lectured them even hector them. ok. so you're a vassal states vassals don't pull a or are not invited to the table. you accepted that status. so don't complain. now, george, that's, that's exactly right. and what the kellogg was suggesting when he said what we had in the past, we have too many people at the negotiating table was rip, referring to the main spruce. as i'm on my side, almost remember the americans weren't involved in med school. that was a european process, so that could have been the opportunity for the europeans to throw that wage and, and to resolve this. so you know, that, you know, that was that he was under the, the french german law spaces in the midst prices. they didn't do anything in the year of the, in the russians issue. they complain. so say the, you know, they look like no one's doing anything about the implementing minutes and they

didn't bother doing anything. so now the, the mom a seat at the table, having malik 1st, we've failed for 8 years to do anything with that. see the table of it. but it didn't usually you reveal aspect of it could be quite dangerous because they absolutely, uh, re bid. there's going to be a meeting on monday involving all the high level european states. you know, my crowns is gonna be patters, my growling will be this dom i'm a lot. i mean, i'm sure the trump administration shaking in their boot. it's so that that's exactly. but they, it, you know, they so demented that they intend to be somehow involved in your grades and that's where they get this starts getting very dangerous because if, well yeah, i think there's also a call or a to that d. my is that, um, also uh, the american delegation made it very clear, or maybe not crystal clear, but your, your role is to clean up the mess because american feel ups are not going to be

there. there's not going to be the kind of security guarantees that you would like to have the image without american security guarantees we are paying once the months are essentially useless. i mean what the u. k. and you go and we can have a 100 years security agreement, and i mean, it's just as comical stuff here. so europe is paying the cost for its negligence. and i think both of you are surprised. i certainly was to hear people exit, talk about the men's process. we've never really heard of a high level american official actually mention it in the context that he did. there's a learning curve over there, some place that depending on deem a uh, why would somebody easy. uh, so the european lead is, uh, is, uh, i mean, bench, if you know, you just respond to uh, trunk smoothes actually, uh, what we hear is, oh, monique a game. i mean, uh, still doing that. how long have you been say is that, you know, i think for 30 years every, get them to have dialogue with brush it was mentioned in the once about really and

even though we're actually was not present unique in 1938, there was something between the drugs, the french and the british. so again, a toner gift to prompts to rush a piece that's from project syndicate. a new new bands at that's your, that's a normal how is it, how was advanced that they can, you can just set the tools you know, into you're being in presence for a expression of beams which did not fit to be sustainable, ultra liberal ideal. would you know to arrest? i would a j, a person right next to on a bush clean the stairs. you know? no one did it before. so basically, uh, basically what we see is, uh there you are please. i told him, oh skip. at the same time blots those cheap powers blocks, those 2 people to europe. these are the only part if you that's why don't still want to continue. you know, they just the lance kansas, me. they want the,

what the continues because they exist. they, they hold onto their, i mean, they may, i may well, you know, the process because it comes with this. yeah. but it can be for material reasons. obviously there's an el audiological element. we can't allow the russians to win. that's not george, that's not thinking geo politically, this is one of the biggest problems we've had with this complex, but i think what they're really worried about it, we'll talk about in the 2nd part of the program as well, is a nato is at stake here. and they all know it may do is at stake it because this is why we're in the unprecedented situation whereby the americans are saying we want out. we want to bring this thing to an end to your advantage, to say no, we want to keep it going. but then the question is, well, how are you? europeans are going to keep it going without the americans. adam's ends and the landscape came along the music of security congress. and oh, are you going to come up with a european on media? but that's the events that sort of thing isn't feasible though, but so that's, that's is very,

very unusual because in the policy it's always been the other way around. we had belligerent the americans and the europeans was a no, no, no. com, down in the were reassuring everything, but this time is a european. so the belligerent, the americans, you know, they, they want out see, but i think why it's dangerous. because for the, for russia, he doesn't provide any security guarantee is difficult. a european content have been alright, that whole now we're going to continue talking about nato. and the 2nd part of the program, gentlemen, i'm going to go to a quick break. and after that quick break, we'll continue our discussion on russia, ukraine, and the trump administration. stay with our team. the during the 2nd world war pull underground power, military organizations in poland,

occupied by german troops, as well as in the bordering regions of bella. rose were united into the so called home on a few. but after that, since you got them up for you to send it to the organ when they do the prospect, just say it's because i use a blue screen time list. and but the thing is i take this to the ship where they put me through this issue of shy sticker, whom ami was the main organization of the publish resistance, fighting against jim and occupation and soviet rule. somebody's been in the army cuz i knew away my teaching, so i need to level she body shop. really unfair boys still exciting. so yes. can you put those on anything, isn't this, you know, that's most of the home on a county down operations to destroy the nazis. but then switch to settling schools with soviet partisans and the civilian population that supported them. they have never bytes it automatically over to destroy your customers any today? well, i've been in the day i bought it from my goal is to have your product is on

a new post that has to be a liberal in the event or just the booklet is divided. 60 those up letting me know 40 points, the one you got my students deal of when you have no heat. so process jimson we generally look for you is emily to cheat anymore? so the welcome back to across the bullhorn. so we're all things are considered non peter lavelle in deem a. we've talked about the trump administration's pitch. we've talked about the european reaction to it. now on this program, we're going to talk about, well, about something that hardly anyone else talks about and it's very important how, what will the russians settle for? because, you know, we nato expansion, not one in east. we had the nato destroyed about post, the former yugoslavia and nato has been causing trouble all around the world. it's

already been mentioned on this program. the mens process thing we can add to that is stem bull informed with viewers will know exactly what we're talking about. the russians don't want to get fooled again and i will living here the russian people don't want to set be settled for less. there's a lot of pressure on the kremlin on president putin. well, you're absolutely right. and actually the, what do you see us on the european union are based on to absolutely erroneous wild suppositions. the 1st one is that i go to generals not stopping the brain, see what, what size, the voltage except full. and after that, that's the 1st one. what's the position of the seconds while? if with total, what they call, which is g m, as it will be so much nice, you know, there will be quotations for pressure that will be peaceful, go. russia, it's help. so we play a role. you know, if i want you to is replaced by some of the code that's going to be going to be

a lot more belligerent to what's your, because the majority of russians, how very and agree that you, it's a lot of people expected you to play the role media to do in the means closest ended, but before and europe always free with us. and now the b. c, you know, people see how and doing american was say, when that what we're serious about the quotes. we just want to do great to get time to think people here for what the know they say, what should be here. russians have access with the media a lot of us before and they're just now they're a google translate us. if you want to check what she said, so indeed my on the phone was that the press and against power will be important enough to come. the other 4 pets here and still agreed to some kind of booked what it will be. i don't know. what i can say is that what you never want,

that's all the car. just lamp cheap. you know, i remember he's cool. we already have everything that they need here. what we need from your brain is security. neutrality. uh and obviously uh, an agreement will have to be its, uh, a cheap at some point both only with the united states, but with the need to. so because if you're a remains in danger and if you're the main strengthening that holds you, be left thoughts. you not present what things are so, but they left to get a bit st. george, that's what it gets. that's the crux of it all. here is the root causes of it all. and of course, all of his wants to see this carnage come to an end. and i repeat what i've said for 3 years, a conflict that never ever should have happened in the 1st place. my goodness has we're talking about this. can you imagine them? the soldiers in the field wondering who's going to be the last one to die as politicians talk? it's a risk thought to contemplate and, but the,

the issue that really needs to be addressed is security for all, for all the and the west has to, we learn this. they have forgotten about it because they've been ideologically blinded. and most of phobia blinds people into it and doing very, very dangerous things that we've seen for the last 3 years. security guarantees for all, we're all old enough to remember the helsinki process. we're not the so all that we meant we member you all to but if we need something, yelled a yell to slash helsinki process. it. trump is in a hurry. you can't get this kind of stuff done quickly. george, where you call and then you're, you're actually right. the zip um, what the referee is looking for and that, and it has been since it was sensitive issue. those 2 documents in december 2021 is helsinki. 2 point. oh um. the problem there is, uh the attends, are absolutely no mood for any kind of the helsinki process. so even if

some kind of a global conference were arranged under the auspices of the united states, they wouldn't do anything. i mean, they, they wouldn't agree on anything. all that would happen is that the europeans would be there, you know, the carrier call us and it was the live on the line and it, wherever is the german chancellor. jo friedrich much and they would spend that time yelling and ranting and raving against the russians, they wouldn't agree to anything. and that's why the, if of things that were, what were the rushes settle for? i mean, obviously there's the issue of the for all blessed with, you know, rep address is not in full control. that's one thing. and then there's the live, the long term security guarantee is. and it's very hard to see how it can get those long term security guard just given the mood in europe. the. the danger, however, for russia is that if it says no, we're not supplemental. this then is actually, this would have been a, a, an opportunity to get lost because it is the question,

you know, the united states is doing something the bible didn't do well. bomb, it didn't do it. he's the united states is now offering some kind of a publisher and the removal of ups that goes to a fruitful relationship. you have to say no to that. then, you know, russian will be the very difficult position because i think of them the trump administration, particularly trump, himself mercurial as he is with them, you know, resume hostility. and that is some even more intense then um the, the bite of this patient is. so it's a very difficult situation for russian, which has to really mean, you know, who maneuver very, very cleverly, very a skewed way, very diplomatic, made to keep the americans on board. why did sure and did so long term security interest edema. they tell our audience how russians have thought about this conflict in the late being able to contemplate that it could relatively soon

come to an end. we never really hear much about what russians think we're russians are always talked out, but they're very rarely listen to. so give us a flavor of the time right now. as well as knows of you, there is a pdf you missed to call us for the 1st time in 3 years. we have a good news to know about. if there's some kind of dial, restarted the rush or the west. and of course the, no, i'm the director. you said the about people dying. and there was no and there is no epic favorite to watch. agree. yes. relations between dresses depends. so i very much like relations between the french leave them in the, in front of differentiated in belgium, quote, her may be a few, jo. so, but the generally speaking, there was never any teach at least what was idea of what people from the stop, you know, it was a walk over the west against russia. and right now, what the of the month, you know, these 4 regions in ukraine,

we need them 1st because they have always been populated by if any questions i mean reach history co rusher was explained into the south of parking lots of money by its co, the these areas see the web see what populated by russians from inside, deep inside raw shirts and, and we need these for robots for security because their song is next to crimea without care, sometimes is always exposed. uh, basically is rogia is the link between mainland thrasher and per year so that there can be transportation and don't boss, you know, don't. yes, kimball desk. they, they boomed. they are, they're wanting brush or they suffered so much for 10 years. qualston baltics close them. uh stripes wont be pregnant sites. uh they both hardly know they they last solely. so basically what process required is a medium uh,

but everyone was difficult. victor and people very of get the sold out from liberals. emmy brand new belts. cool. i know say, oh no, no, uh you know, when they were reading it, they said we said before so much we constant that and though they say don't still go through, continue your credit cards lose. so these people who is in the ramp, so they fixed the ticket. yeah, well that's one good thing about all this. the russian liberals of the so marginalize themselves, they've turned into a national and international joke. a topic for another program. george it. um it's been talked about. um, i think it's just very vague right now and maybe that in part of this you for you. um uh the trump and uh she could be in in moscow on may, 9th um the 80th anniversary of the defeat of fascism in europe. that would be that would, that would be of a magnitude of the fall of the berlin wall, george lane. it's a beautiful dishes move, something crumpled like, i mean,

it sounds like bold moves. um i, i, i have a feeling is not going to do that. it would just go so much. uh, comes to the lease and uh, in washington. any your, buddy, it's quite possible that they will be some senior us representations, you know, maybe a go at the level of bucko rubio, maybe at the level of the keys kellogg. but they will be some us representation. my name itself would be a significant move, and a game, you know, would be it does the rustle then in a very tricky position because the americans are making all of these moves. but there was a thing in real time that they want you to end this war, even though russia has a visitation not to accomplish the goal. so therefore, it really adds a southern measure of pressure on russia, in the idea of how to respond to what will probably be a very, you know, a generous offer by the american say, look, we recognize all of you, you will suffer anything. we recognize the old of the terrible things that have

been done to you. and we, you know, we're here. so now we want something from you in rich on, you know, trump or anyone's that's a piece agreement. he wants it done and he wants it done. so a demon, how did um uh, the former president of ukraine, the zalinski acquit himself in in munich because he threw a quite a few temper tantrums. um, i mean uh he feels that um, he's been spurned by the americans, which i think is a fair assessment. but the, he but his, um, uh the, the countries that are who the recording him. i don't really the or are not significant. i mean, emily, in a better box, she can yell and scream all you want, but nobody was the care is what she says. i mean, the europeans will, you know, might marry him. but you know that, that, that's a sloppy seconds. as we used to say in high school diploma. well, this is becoming a soco where suitcase with all the handle of where you are, you know, for the europeans because they haven't invested so much and they gave you all kinds

of order assume prompts. there was a joke, it don't you remain to put him in the principal, you know, the very human defense or the only problem was he's not the french citizen. so that was the only of what he didn't get to keep up all sorts of orders from people from germany, products, and no, i wonder how many passports he actually has like a that's a side bar. okay. and the appropriate fees that the key amount feels himself for that. so he makes contradictory statements like, oh, i'm ready to give trial all the natural resources for your brain. all the lab got, you know, it's like a bancroft a gamble, you know, says i have so much of, oh, you can certainly take it off. all right, gentlemen, on that note. um, he definitely was the big loser in munich. um, a fascinating discussion. i want to thank my guessing, budapest son here in moscow. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time. remember, across top roles the

take a fresh to look around this life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really one say better wills, and is it just because it shows you few fractured images present? it is. but can you see through their illusion going underground? can the in the year of 1954,

the united states of america engaged in warfare against the people of vietnam. the white house supported the corrupt above and governments of southern vietnam. in 1965 americans began their invasion following the aim to defeat the forces of vietnamese patriots. the pentagon was confident that the victory would be on the american side, due to its military superiority. however, the vietnamese, during this war into total health for the occupants. unable to cope with a guerrillas, the american army started blanket bombing alongside using chemical weapons and naples, which burnt all alive. the village of my lay, where he 1969 american soldiers killed 504 civilians, including 210 children, became a tragic symbol of this war. all and all. during the whole period of this conflict,

the usa dropped on vietnam more than $6000000.00 tons of bombs, which is 2 and a half times as much as on germany during the 2nd world war. in 1973, the american army under the pressure of the rebels, withdrew from vietnam, and only 2 years later did the puppet regime. and so i got involved. however, the vietnamese paid a high price for their freedom. more than 1000000 vietnamese people became the victims of america in the dressers for st. nearby slots of though is a way out of the key at the fortune of us not suddenness, fortune, she was unable to resume the story and pushing the course duty. i see or should bull option that this be so for sure. but if we started critics last week and you want to do it was a school in your welski territory. so this could save the natural logos of it. so

formally ship portion or the whole day or forwarded me, it was about a football. i still knew about chavo in gold and on my side as close i, you was a category stores board us at ocean and continued to go out and died at bowie. now probably not sure the subspace is phone see about. so those sorta, we can do so full so comfortably. people are both them just got a smith gasket, bluish boys coming out on the bus, which is still going to me. so i'm on the portion of your stomach, i thought maybe waiting and go, are you still not done? i'll go back to normal. yeah, i get to talk about it. there's dorski a whole bunch. but wanted to circle comfortable the some about on there. not. i mean, yeah, the desktop i dropped off some of the stuff, some of the the,

[000:00:00;00] the breaking news the kremlin and couldn't find the said a top, but diplomatic 10 negation will have to saudi arabia on tuesday. they'll sit down with their american counterparts holding up hoff tools, a political settlement over the ukraine conference. we will listen to our american counterparts and of course we will be ready to respond. we will report back to our leaders who will make decisions regarding further steps. closet and didn't get an invite to the told fees decided to stay close to the accident anyway. in 1980, i need to insisting that without ukrainian representation, that could be no peace to the as far as it was in