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still with our team to national for all the latest from around the world. thanks for watching and i'll see you again. the the welcome to cross type bullhorn were all things are considered on theater level. finally, the trump administration has started its pitch the end, the ukraine complet. needless to say, it did not go down well with the european establishment addicted as they are to this war. will trump's plan work? will the russians agree to discuss these issues? and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a podcast where the guy go, which be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have dmitri bob,

that she is the deputy for an editor. uncomfortable sky, a problem, the daily or gentleman cross type rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. let's start out with george in budapest. well, we've been waiting for this for her a long time. it was a campaign promise, and no trump is making his um, his move as it were here. obviously, i'm making reference to what was going on at the munich security conference, and we had p pegs. that's which kind of surprises all he eloquently delivered the administration's position with quite a bit of forcefulness, i would say much to the gloom and doom of the europeans. george, at the, you know, from the held said, i think it's an interesting gamut that the trump administration is essentially saying ukraine has to make a territorial territorial concessions. the us is not backing ukraine membership in nato and no commitment of american troops in some kind of post, more posts,

conflict environment where article 5 could be invoked. that's a pretty interesting starting point. i mean, that was even up to negotiation, which is the europeans found appalling. um, what do you get from? because there's a lot of hard negotiations ahead. there's a lot of details. there's a, there's a lot of ambiguity out there. but from the get go, the trump administration is making very clear, it does want this more to come to an end. george was the question i, i agree visa that the but the trumpet those rates and they play it once this war to and, and that is even clear from the, the telephone conversation that took place between the secretary of state, marco rubio and um, uh, russian foreign minister, so like a lover of they agreed on the meeting in saudi arabia is going to be obviously a very high level of negotiating team on both sides. and what was interesting from

the russian read out of this conversation is that the united states pitched to russia a general day time. so, i mean, he was saying, well, the week with, let's sit down, look out our differences and at least according to the russians, the americans brought up the number of sol points with the russians. the issue of the embassies and the normalization was over the situation with the embassies and the consulates. and the, essentially, the suggestion that the sanctions unilateral sanctions of united states imposed on russia could be a pull negotiation. but there, that's when they get away with the problem lies, because i think this is what the trump administration want to say. look, we are offering russia and they, they don't, they knew anybody, any improvements of relations, but then we want something in return from russia. basically,

we want russia to end. this will allow us to cease find out on this, this now. and i think that's going to be a difficult one because the irregular russian would then have to say, well, our issues have not yet been resolved. i mean, the issue to be with the, uh, the, for all the lists. they're not, they're not even fully in the spend the rest of the controls and we want a permanent guaranteed, somehow security for us. and that, that, that has been sync up with discussion. so it's gonna be very, very tricky to going forward. yeah, team and judge george is absolutely right. i mean, in some circles, i think it's fair to say there was you fauria that the, there is light at the end of the tunnel. there is a commitment here, but it's george rightly points out the war is continuing and there is no indication that it's going to stop any time soon. so we're really kind of in a levitated state here. we have intentionality. we know we where we want to go.

george is absolutely right. a form of data around which has been so grossly absent and us rusher relations. so i mean there's a vision, but what's the next step? because the more is continuing dma. well, it's clear that the next step is going to be negotiations of both negotiations. how old is it? a market, who billable? and the 2nd level of, i'm not going to sign some kind of an agreement that would and the sports that they can agree on the future thoughts that may bring that result. and the danger is that the idea of loans will get enrolled into this. the goal sheets, of course, to the main idea of looks out of the current uh, european leadership and at least 5. so the gradient stablish. so basically i was better reassured by the phrase, the other product from uh, from uh, uh, basically from, uh, uh, i did go up go up yesterday in unit. he said that the,

i mean, what we don't want to get to do is get to a large group of people in discussion. and so he'll say that the, you may not be at the table. when do you ask hold stokes, with russia? well that would be very, very good because this is what you would need for negotiations. you need to call. so trade all the big points. you know, this is why people mess where full of moles, that's why they never talk about they don't legit. uh, they talk about business, you know, here's what we crap with have with this quote that we just don't mind why it's out the idea of what you know, want a gauge. you can only because they are from the war in ukraine except maybe bought some of the military industrial complex. and the crazy brand new national so i will be will sell them instead of being at the margin. so green porter is, is there any way to, to high positions or rush chihuahua stuff was because a we understand your green became so much where it was most then all ducks you are

because last it's a profitable relationship with russian america goals and promptly is a is a for a magic person, i don't want to idealize him. he's not the idea just to be smart, that she wants to make money. and she is a very much curious agent by the fact that we spend $113000000000.00 on support for you. great. do you guys some of the information she thinks that she can quote them saved them by you bringing that show results that's going to happen. i mean, one of us will tell you that are the least she made spoke rosie, you know, this is of what the see kind of still causing chrome. that's what's the email i sent you, are you bringing up the word losing in georgia? the ukraine has lost this military conflict. okay. how it ends again, we still don't know, but did we know the outcome? but the other big loser is europe in all of this. i mean the americans went to

munich and basically lectured them even hector them. okay. and you're a vassal states, vassals don't pull a or are not invited to the table. you accepted that status. so go complain. now george, that's that's exactly right. and what is the kellogg, what's the suggest? what it said, what we had in the past, we have too many people at the negotiating table was rip, referring to the main spruce. as i'm on my side, almost remember the americans weren't involved in it. so that was a european process. so that could have been the opportunity for the europeans to throw the wage and, and to resolve this. so you know, that, you know, that was that he was under the, the french german law spaces in the midst price as they didn't do anything in the year of the year. the russians issue, they complain. so say, you know, they look like no one's doing anything about the implementing mans and they didn't bother doing anything. so now they didn't. the mom a seat at the table having money 1st we've failed for 8 years to do anything with

that. see the table on it, but it did usually you reveal aspect of it could be quite dangerous because they absolutely re bid. there's going to be a meeting on monday involving all the higher level european states. you know, my crowns in the powder is background a little bit. this dom i'm a little, i mean i'm sure the trump administration was shaking in their boot. it's so that, that's exactly, but they, you know, they so demented that they intend to be somehow involved in your grades and that's where they get this starts getting very dangerous because if, well, yeah, i think there's also a call or a to that d. my is that, um, also uh, the american delegation made it very clear, or maybe not crystal clear, but europe, your role is to clean up the mess because american troops are not going to be there . there's not going to be the kind of security guarantees that you would like to

have the image without american security guarantees. the european ones, the ones are essentially useless. i mean what the u. k. and you go enrique and have a 100 years security agreement. and i mean, it's just as comical stuff here. so europe is paying the cost for its negligence. and i think both of you are surprised. i certainly was to hear people exempt talk about the men's process. we've never really heard of a high level american official actually mention it in the context that he did. there's a learning curve over there. some place that depending on the demo a, uh well, it's amazing. uh, so the european lead is, uh, is, uh, i mean, bench if you know, industries boss to, uh trumps, moves actually, uh, what we hear is, oh, mooney could game. i mean, uh, still doing that. how long have you been say it's, you know, i think for 30 years every attempt to have dialogue with brush it was met with the once about unique and even though rush,

it was not present unique in 19. so it did was something between the drugs, the french and the british. so again, a toner, just to prompts to russia. that's for on projects indicates a new new bands at that's your, uh, that's a normal how is how was advanced that they can, you can just set the tools you know, into you're being in presence for a expression beads which do not fit to these terrible ultra liberal ideal would you know, at the rest of the body d, o, a person for brain next to on a bush clean the stairs. you know? no one did it before. so basically, uh, basically what we see is, uh there you are, please. i told him almost it at the same time blocked so steep about his blocks. those 2 people to europe. these are the only part if you that's one of them. what do you know? they answer lance, kansas. me, they want, they want to continue because they exist. they, they hold onto their, well,

i mean and deem it, i mean, well, you know, it's, it's a positive speed. what's the problem with this? yeah, but it can be for material reasons. obviously there's an ideological element, we can't allow the russians to win. that's not george, that's not thinking geo, politically, this is one of the biggest problems we've had with this complex. but i think what they're really worried about, and we'll talk about in the 2nd part of the program as well, is a nato is at stake here, and they all know it may do is at stake it because this is why we're in a unprecedented situation whereby the americans are saying we on out, we want to bring this thing to an end to the your advances. i know we want to keep it going, but the question is, well, how are you? europeans are going to keep it going without the americans, adams, and then the zalinski came along. the music isn't going to come to us at all while you go to come up with a european on media. but that's the events that have the hip sort of the isn't feasible though, but so that's, that's is very, very unusual because in the policy, it's always been the other way around. we had belligerent the americans and the

europeans was a no, no, no calm down in the reassuring everything. but this time, it's a european's, a belligerent, the americans, you know, they, they want out see, but i think why it's dangerous, because for frustrated doesn't provide any security guarantee is difficult. a european come to the best. alright, that whole and i hope we're going to continue talking about nato. and the 2nd part of the program, gentlemen, i'm going to go to a quick break. and after that quick break, we'll continue our discussion on russia, ukraine, and the trump administration. stay with our team, the the, the,

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the welcome back to prospect bullhorn. so we're all things are considered non peter lavelle. you deem a, we've talked about the trump administrations pitch. we've talked about the european reaction to it. now on this program, we're going to talk about, well, about something that hardly anyone else talks about and it's very important how, what will the russians settle for? because, you know, we nato expansion, not one in east. we had nato destroyed about both of the former yugoslavia and nato has been causing trouble all around the world. it's already been mentioned on this program. the minutes process thing we can add to that is stem bull informed were viewers will know exactly what we're talking about. the russians don't want to get fooled again and i will living here the russian people don't want to set the settle for less. there's

a lot of pressure on the kremlin and president putin. well, you're absolutely right. and actually the, what do you see is all the european union based on true absolutely erroneous wild suppositions. the 1st one is that i go to general is not stopping to train. you what, what this before would you accept bull? and after that, that's the 1st one. what's the position of the 2nd one? ok. if with total, what they call, which is g m, as it will be so much nice that you know, there will be quotations for press other who be peaceful, go russia. it's absolutely wrong. you know, if i want you to is replaced by someone in the code that's going to do it, going to be a lot more belligerent to what's your, because the majority over actions are very and great that you, it's a lot of people expected you to play the role media to do, and that means closest ended but before, and you're always free with us. and now the b. c, you know, people see how i'm doing american,

let's say when that what we're serious about is the quotes. we just wanted a new grade to get time to think people here for what the know they, they, what should be here a russians have access with the media a lot of us before and they're just now they're a google translate us if you want to check what she said, so the indeed my on the phone is that the president against power will be important enough to come. the other thoughts has here and still agreed to some kind of what it will be. i don't know. what i can say is that what you never want that all the car, i'm just laugh cheap. how i remember she's cool. we already have everything that we need here. what we need from your brain is sick. your age, your credit. uh and obviously uh, any agreements blue cross could be its, uh, a cheese at some point both only with the united states, but with the need to also because if you're

a remains in danger and if you're pre main strengthening that volts you'd be left to it's you not present what things are so, but they left to get a bit and st. george, that's what gets it. that's the crux of it all. here is the root causes of it all. and of course, all of us want to see this carnage come to an end. and i repeat what i've said for 3 years, a complex that never ever should have happened in the 1st place. my goodness has, we're talking about this. can you imagine them, the soldiers in the field wondering who's going to be the last one to die as politicians talk? it's a risk thought to contemplate and, but the, the issue that really needs to be addressed is security for all, for all the and the west has to, we learn this. they have forgotten about it because they've been ideologically blinded. and most of phobia blinds people into and doing very, very dangerous things to be seen for the last 3 years. security guarantees for all

we're all old enough to remember the helsinki process. we're not the so all that we met, we member you all to but it, we need something yelled a yell to slash helsinki process. it. trump isn't a hurry. you can't get this. the kind of stuff done quickly, george, where you call, and then you're, you're actually right. the zip um, what the referee is looking for and that, and it has been since ever since it issue those 2 documents of december 2021 is helsinki 2 point. oh, um, the problem there is that the europeans are absolutely no mood for any kind of the helsinki process. so even if some kind of a global conference were arranged under the auspices of the united states, they wouldn't do anything. i mean, they, they wouldn't agree on anything full, but what happened is that the europeans would be there, you know, the carrier call us and it was the live on the line, and then it will, wherever is the german chancellor. jo friedrich much and they would spend that time

yelling and ranting and raving against the russians, they wouldn't agree to anything. and that's why the, the, you know, so if of things that were what would rush to settle, what we're, i mean, obviously there's the issue of the, for all blessed with, you know, rep address is not in full control. that's one thing. and then there's the live belong to, um, security guarantee is it's very hard to see how it can get those long term security guard is given the mood in the europe. the, the danger, however, for russia is that if it says no, we're not supplemental. this then is actually, this would have been a, you know, an opportunity to get lost because there's no question. you know, the united states is doing something the bible didn't do, of obama didn't do it. he's the united states is now offering some kind of a publisher and the removal of ops that goes to a fruitful relationship. you have to say no to that. then, you know, russian will be in the very difficult position because i think of them the trump

administration, particularly trump, himself mercurial as he is with them, you know, resume hostility. and that is something even more intense then um the, the bite of this patient is. so it's a very difficult situation for us. it was just a really mean, you know, home renewal of a very, very cleverly, very a skewed way, a very diplomatic made to keep the americans on board. why did sure and did so long term security interest edema. they tell our audience how russians have thought about this conflict in the late being able to contemplate that it could relatively soon come to an end. we never really hear much about what russians think we're russians are always tucked out, but they're very rarely listen to. so give us a flavor of the time right now. no worries. no. the you there is a pdf. give me just a few costs for the 1st time. uh in 3 years we have a good news to know about. it is some kind of dark,

restarted. it washer the west and of course uh no on the draft. you said people, people died and there was no and there is no f dictates it was you agree? yes. relations between dresses, the prince. i very much like relations between the french leave them in the, in front of the french, even in belgium and quote, her may be a few, jo. so, but the generally speaking, there was never any teach at least what was the idea of what people from the stop, you know, it was of the war or the west against russia. and right now, what the of the month, you know, these 4 regions in ukraine, we need them 1st because they have always been populated by if any questions i mean, reach history co. russia was expansion for the south of parking lots of money by its co, uh, these areas. see the web see what populated by russians from inside. deep inside glass shirts and, and we need these for robots for security because their song is next to greg dea

without tear sometimes use all is exposed. uh, basically is alpha rogia is the link. if we main with russia in pretty near show that there can be transportation, i don't boss, you know, don't, yes, campbell desk. they, they boomed. they are building brush or the stuff with so much for 10 years. quantum voltage, close them. uh, stripes from view bring sites. uh the boat hadaway. no they, they lost solely. uh, so basically uh what process requires a medium. uh, but everyone wants the full victim and the people very of get the sole doctor of liberals, any brand new groups. go and i will say, oh no, no, uh, you know, when they read it, they said we said before so much could constant a n o they say don't stop both the rules continue. ukraine con flows. so these people who is in the ramp, so they're pretty, pretty typical. yeah. well that's one good thing about all this. the russian

liberals of the so marginalize themselves, they've turned into a national and international joke. a topic for another program. george it, um, it's been talked about it, but i think it's just very vague right now and maybe didn't part of this you for you. um uh the trump and she could be in, in moscow on may, 9th, some of the 80th anniversary of the defeat of fascism in europe. that would be that would, that would be of a magnitude of the fall of the berlin wall. george laid. it says it would be in full dishes, move something crumpled like, i mean i was like bold moves. um i, i, i, i was seeing he is not going to do that. it would just go so much. uh, comes to the lease and uh, in washington. any your but it's quite possible that they will be some senior us representations, you know, maybe it's a go at the level of buckle rubio, maybe at the level of a cal, but they will be some us,

some representation in itself would be a significant move. and a game, you know, but it does the rustling in a very tricky position because the americans are making all of these moves. but they was, i think, in real time, they want you to end this war. even though the pressure has a this, they cannot accomplish the goal. so therefore, it only adds a southern measure of pressure on russia in i'll give how to respond to what, what was the, be a very the other generous offer by, by the americans say, look, we recognize all of you, you will suffer anything we recognize, you know, all of the terrible things that have been done to you and we, you know, we're here. so now we want something from you in what's on, you know, trump or anyone's this piece agreement. he wants it done and he wants it done. so a demon, how did um uh, the former president of the brain, the zalinski acquit himself in, in munich because he threw a quite a few temper tantrums. um, i mean uh he, he feels that the,

uh he's been spurned by the americans, which i think is a fair assessment. but we can hear it. but his, um, uh the, the countries that are with the recording him, i don't really the, or are not significant. i mean, emily, in a better box, she can yell and scream all you want, but nobody was the chair is what she says. i mean, the europeans will, you know, might marry him, but you know, that, that, that's a sloppy seconds, as we used to say in high school diploma. well then ask these become minnesota, where suitcase, with all the handle of where you are, you know, for the europeans because they haven't invested so much and they gave you all kinds of order assume prompts. there's a joke, it gets already made proportionately. the principal, you know, the very human depends on the only problem is he's not the fresh citizen. so that was the only of what he didn't get to keep up all sorts of orders from people from germany and france, and low. and i wonder how many passports he actually has a great, that's

a side bar. okay. and the appropriate for that the he and now feels himself for that. so he makes contradictory statements like, oh, i'm ready to give trial. old a laser already sold us will be great and all the land got, you know, it's like a bankrupt uh gamble. you know, who says i have so much of oh, you can show them the bacon. the gentleman on that note. um, he definitely was the big loser in munich. um oh, fascinating discussion. i want to thank my guessing, budapest son here in moscow. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time. remember across top roles, the, of course, the nearby slice of stuff is a lot going out of the key at the fortune of us. and that suddenness portions here goes never the result of the story and pushing nate or studio to see for sure

option that this be so for ship or for store or critics will go straight and you want to do it was a school in your welski territory savings casias the natural logos of it. so former ship portion or the already me talk about a football i still knew about chavo in gold and on my side as close as you was. and i thought i thought go to a solution to continue with you. go out and die and it will and i'll probably not sure the south, the citric. don't crazy about spilt on soccer. if you do so full, so comfortable with a couple of post them just got a smith. gosh, can't foolish boys coming out on the bus which is still going on to me. so i'm on the portion of other stomach waiting and go use the i'll go back to normal. yeah, i get to talk about it. there's dorski a whole bunch. but wanted to circle comfortable the some about on there. not. i mean, yeah, the desktop,

i do have both come similar to stuff. some of the the breaking news right now. i rush out and get the magic delegation, the rise in saudi arabia on tuesday. they'll sit down with the american counterparts hoping to for deposit to peace over the water. you free. we will listen to our american counterparts. and of course, we will be ready to respond. we will report back to our leaders who will make decisions regarding further steps. and one passing without any invites to the top is ukraine. zillions keep. so instead he is rocked up next door in the you a building, the 1st thing that they can be don't piece without his country's involvement. t of