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exactly knows no time clearly because of your new president, i believe it will on him. us secretary of state will be always here, said you'll to continuing his release to a. we get strange comments from trump, where policy doesn't match is the comments off the cuff. and he says things that i read the end of the previous administration, just from your insight in years there. i don't know what you think of john radcliff, the new head of the c i a year old. we used to what, how far is trump being undermined from the inside? or is he being more undermined than usual or less? rock, frankly, i don't feel is being undermined at all. i figure, i feel that he's appointed a group of lawyers who are paying fuel to you to him. and what really bothers me is they're going out of their way to do things that are in just as crow. and just as unconscionable as trump himself. so they can climb up the ladder or favortism in the cabinet. and you look at how secretary, se rubio, for example,
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who was confirmed 99, did nothing which i thought was absurd. he has switched a lot of those positions. he was a big backer of agency for international develop it. uh now he can't wait to take it over and he's been a part of the great thing is it, did you as a id is being destroyed as well? it's, it's kind of like a project that is being destroyed because if trump is talking about reading guys as the riviera, the middle east, they usually for international development would have to draw or something like that agency would have a huge role. going really id. i mean, tell me what you know about usa id, i mean sets out by the, under the kennedy administration because suddenly all our lives as far as i understand that have been on the mind by us a id, whether it be these stabilize extra democracies, it seemed to me and from what's being on, oh wow, be spelled a id be stabilizing democracies. yeah, that's right. where, where are you getting that? the mass financing of the media?
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i mean, what have you thought about the fact that it seems to be funding media certainly was across your and different types of actions to be able to uh say back. yeah, i think they were, i rarely been engaged in humanitarian, a and infrastructure aid of not in the compromising of media around the terry in a to z. explain to me, what do you think do you manage everyday? because so as i understand is an i trouble quite a bit through africa. and in the global south usa, it is just a soft way of weapon guys in us, hedge a monic bar. and it's usually fun, at least in the mass killing of a 1000000 year year this, they are buying into a propaganda line that you're hearing, i guess, in the global south that the russians are putting out for years. most of what a id does is humanitarian a construction infrastructure named me. so i'm just a map. i'm only one thing i as well when i was in greece, the entire road network was built by a i did very with, sorry,
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i couldn't hear you. the reese wouldn't have a logistics capability with that. okay, great. i think okay, greece the, tell me what about the you as to how i don't agree. i don't know of africa. how about all of african name, a country and god in the health field. and then he met his name on country and i'll tell you why that was actually to do a destabilizing democracy in that country. the greek colonels, when you talk about the civic fire, you're actually to away i the had nothing to do with the degree colonels. yeah, you're focusing on the wrong agent, so you're barking up the wrong one. so you thought it was the law just of the united states that went into go into greece. oh, that's great. oh, that was that soft power. it's done for influence is done for train, although it's still a power. oh, you work specifically a for who anyway i what's the difference between what a id is doing and what john is doing with the b r a. and the other rama here to defend china. i'm attacking usa id as the whole year old has vastly. so you, you obviously have, know, i'm a one off frequently the name,
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a one global south leader who is complaining about trump destroying usa id when they are ethically you'd expect them to be saying, no, we really need this us. i, we weren't mansion, are they paying at all to what trump is joy? that's the more important thing. well, no attention is being paid. he's doing things that are incredibly malicious. who are the say i hear that are aware of the c. i an artist. how lovely, honestly, i for are you, you would allow me to speak or not? are we gonna, are we gonna have a discussion? are you just going to interrupt me? how long would you at the c i a and was your chair, john hopkins, funded by usa id and anyway say that again was john hopkins university and receipt of any grounds from usa id does hopkins university. i attended johns hopkins university. i teach now at johns hopkins university, they will rely on funding stuff. okay. id. there is no funding for. notice here i'm
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doing that hopkins gets as it is far, it's military research components that are located off campus. and they're one of those. the largest receivers recipients, i think i hear that $300000000.00 usa id give john hopkins. says that said, who says that it's in the usa id file world. we get this information they were is on the johns hopkins university website. have a look at it. i think this is the problem with what trump is done to so many scholars who now realize their research, the defending usaa de, cuz technically you're in the pay down the tubes for you as a i do you know when they are defending, as i'm not defending us a id and i'm trying to tell you what this factual situation is and you're spending a bunch of propaganda. that's all i'm hearing from you, regardless of the drum. and this is for this information sites that are around the world. sorry, the from the this is from your university website, the,
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during that the university has received it usa id money. while the infrastructure in the united states is pulling up a, which is the cost where the trouble ministration today. and come to think of it. what the left says in the united states as well. let's, let's move to, let's move to is made lease policy then. and his hope you have for a factual basis. so in the middle east policy, everything i said was true usa id is a, gives grant aid to uh, to john helped a lot of us the largest money that hopkins gets from the government. that is in military aid is for research and the medical field. and such, try this is the telecommunications program you had on top of inst, hospital and hopkins sense of communication programs is in receipt through usa id money. now it will be to present will be they'll shut down. and clearly if that propagandizing for you as a id and receiving money for it, probably not a bad idea. let's go to the middle, easy. she got, it is big, shutting down
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a id is a good day. it's all for me to think it's a good thing or a bad thing, but it is for me to ask a question as to why on the us tax there was funding programs to destabilize democracy. you know, it was around the federal budget is used by a id. i moved even quarrelling about the magnitude. i'm saying why is one of the best answer the question. so i can remind you, do you know what you're talking about? if $1.00 goes there, it's $1.00 too much. you've seen your homelessness problem way. you can do the 40000000 that are our food stamps, not the id. are there $14000000.00 in your country who can eat tonight without federal food age? and you're telling me it doesn't matter if i'm paying $50000000000.00 being given to us and power and situations are in africa. that's what you're telling me. $40000000.00 in appropriations. as far as i understand is what you're asking me. $40000000000.00. it could be going to feed americans to go hungry tonight. okay. i'm not saying this was, i'm isolate from this, you know,
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in between the war way. it's just, it's clear that the african countries don't want your money from what my experience is after visiting african countries or mama. i've been to africa to and they are grateful with table and country set it all set a goal. you've seen what has happened in the years ago, and the goal is in the i said the goal is just rejected a subject. i don't think you know what you're talking about. let's go to an area you're more okay with this article is government is thrown out usaid on the i m f. loans, but we can't, we can't control the profit excess of africa any more than try it again or russia cad. well, it's so you can't blame that on. i think you just said that clearly because it was off topic. i think you should look at what samantha power did over a 4 year period for jo bye. and then we could have a conversation. what do you think as a matter of people that tell me about how do you think about or as well, i think she did her best. i wish she were a little more aggressive, but she tried to hold the organization together what it was under attack. uh before
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she came into the bottom administration and she's definitely a humanist. she wrote an excellent book on genocide. i think she has good credentials. brock obama took her into the administration for very good reasons. she stands head and shoulders above the typical bureaucrat, you're gonna see around the world because she has strong feelings about the amount of cherry and a some of the power is a cheerleader for the war. that is, thankfully only coming to an end. will you just let your body shut? all my use must agree, the libya or individual is about why don't. why don't you talk about it. you have to pull those originally libya and get off the propaganda. what does it propaganda? your speaking up and promoting samantha power, who now is under investigation, she's under investigation as i understand that for fraud alleged fraud because of her personal finance as far as performing her salary at usa idea, she's under investigation for fraud. i think the implication was there from the
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oval office use in the past. you think you did? you see acacia. ok. america. mom about the power obviously you just said was taken up by a bama. so it's about the power was cheer leading. the invasion of libya and the destruction of the good that the government advocates which is because of the country you supported that as well. i don't, i don't attribute it to a i d. and they were under a power outage. one of the what about the power? no, no. is hillary clinton? it was a citizen. rice were pushing obama and it was a i think you need to look it up. it is commands of it is the amount of a let's go to buy them. story is best to prevent it. it is, it is clearly so that the battle, you don't like to say god, but the new national defense and national director of national intelligence is that she's probably crazy designed to translate into. i'm not happy with that. yes. tell
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me, why did they tell me why you think that as well her trip to syria was a very good example of meeting with the side and then lying about how the meeting was set up and who was at the meeting. and she's denied that the russians were using a fighter aircraft in syria. and she repeated, rushing propaganda about the united states providing uh, by a warfare instrumentation to ukraine. she's gone all over the lot, ideologically. i don't know what she really stands for to turn over the intelligence community of 18 different agencies. this $82000000000.00 budget is just nonsense and it's just one of the miserable appointments. trump is made. whether you look at the cash patel and f, b i or john radcliff did c i a or type on the, the attorney general's office and meet and leaves. elden at the environmental
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protection agency which will be turned back into what trump did to it in the 1st term. it's a disaster. progressive melvin goodman. i'll stop you that more from the pharmacy. i am the list and now senior fellow at the center of international policy after this break the show room just don't have to shape out the application and engagement because the trails when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground, the the,
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the, the discounts dodge the journey? the, are you ready to come along the welcome back to going, undergoing obviously with policy analysts and now professor, we're going to join okens university professor melvin goodman as well. you're saying that you don't like to see gavin's appointment by the senate? i don't know. no, i'm saying i don't like any of the appointments. i'm just putting tossing gabbert at the top of the list with the cache hotel until he got his facility or no more. yeah, my favorite, here's my favorite, robert f. kennedy who's going to be running the health of human services along with dr. i also be running medicare and medicaid. these are people who are totally
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unqualified. i haven't, i haven't even mentioned the heck said. so you started out talking about uh, with this so called conversation began. yeah, and of course is absolutely fine, but you know, until like the appointments. but clearly through the way the united states system works. they have to be confirmed by congressional appointments. and so they don't have to be confirmed, they can be denied conservation. and if there was a serious republican party or not the people like uh, bill cassidy from louisiana, who's a physician and obviously forgot what the hippocratic code is all about and voted for r f. kennedy junior, whose own family does sound so. so you basically say the united states is rotten to the core. you know, i'm saying the trump and distribution is around to the court. i know because it, i smell. yeah. but it has to be confirmed by congress. and it's clearly a democratic mandate, the trump and the both houses of congress. the have you on tuesday, guy,
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but you started off your desired language. you had part of this. why don't you add the supreme court to that list of what trump controls i know, even in different pages this little picture, i have popular majority, but i have 3 people. he appointed the supreme court. yeah, you seem to be painting a very dismal end of the very business situation and it has global implications because a recommendation is a good example. yeah, i want to get all the guys are in the 2nd, but just you made an allegation about tools, a guy with the new national director of national intelligence saying to you, i have gone you lighter. yeah. also, gavin, you said she shouldn't have gone to syria. why should she not have gone to syria? i didn't say she shouldn't have gone to syria. so well what i said, i see you. you don't listen. you talk so much that you don't hear what's being said to you as she lied about what happened in syria. she defended a side after her visit to syria. if she didn't acknowledge that she met with the terrace while she was in a syria,
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that's my problem. i. i'm in favor of person to person diplomacy. i'm in favor of talking to putting. i'm in tech favor of talking to jason pain. the conversation was potent, which trump started like to this trade off of the hostage that allowed the release of mark fogel who should never been jailed in the 1st place. uh, but you do that by, by choppy. this is something that mostly she denies. i live as an eisenhower understood and i think it was wrong or find to cut off all contacts with food and with z essentially. uh, because of ukraine or because of the tractor, taiwan, we still have to keep talking. we have larger interest with the russians in china. so then ukraine does what she always has a guy with denies a in any way that she lied about it. and that i every damn thing that she wants to, that she's now the director of national intelligence. so, you know, she's, she's going to be able to and you know, good options or lying. and i don't know, i just saw that. that fact on guys do you don't think it's refreshing from trump
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that we finally uh, on mosque would us policy? i'll give you a, b, b into the palestinians for decades. bible and blinking were responsible for genocide, the names of synonymous with genocide across the global south. oh, within a few hours you, i'm sure this is more in the is really camp and by and never could be. absolutely. i mean, i don't think that can be criticized that opinion, but he stopped the for a while, the aerial bombardment of guys or something that bite him. and harris was who stopped the aerial bombardment of kaiser. donald trump. for the cease fire a deal. see suffix who is the range because nothing yahoo was not left with any targets. sorry. what are they bombing? they're there. they're making dies uninhabitable. and there was none of the aerial bombardment stopped. when i trump as lie, let me finish where i'm say, and that's why nothing. now, who's smart getting the whole time that trump unveil this man?
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this idea that we're going to take the casa, we're going to kick all the palestinians out. and jordan and egypt are going to take that man as just the king of jordan. we'd be in a position to take in hundreds of thousands of palestinians. i don't think trump knows anything about gaza. he knows nothing about that knock but he knows nothing about palestinian displacement. going back to 1948 and not the entire world except for right wing jews. it is real. are highly supportive of what he's doing. i don't the any, what can i get against what you said there, but it's a matter of charity. i totally agree with you, but i mean, yeah. my name's the pallets. okay. yeah. most of even a dollar. do you know who we appointed as impassive or israel like book is. but i think anyone what i didn't know it completely when when would stop? what's uh, i've tried to gauge how much you really understand this. happy ever use the term palestinians. does he acknowledge the term to austin? you know, we have to best do we have donald trump's deputy assistant on this program. we were
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watching a robo, he, he, he actually said to me on camera saying there's no such thing as a balanced any, but i think, go, well, no one can disagree with you about that. and when the influence of christian zionism and zionism on the trump administration, the fact is that the mask is off. we know what the plan is. am now he's talking about, of course the ethnic cleansing of guys in the united, the world arguably in the kind of reinvigoration of the 2 state solution. you don't see anything to be got out of the obviously which one is on the surface. something approaching, approaching nazi policy against the jews. i mean, if you're taking what trump is saying at face value, yes, of course it's appalling. but it's having effects that are not the effects that to those supporting it might. we should only the effects that you see that are so good . egypt clearly are now rejecting a meeting at the white house that was easy. jordan,
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not accepting the displacement of other stuff, the other students, the entry plans there and down the media. they just delayed it the you a inside your ravia both completely against the ethnic, cleansing van as is the whole and everyone everyone's against it. anyone who has any humanitarian sense it is against it, is racism. it's part of the, to me, the genocidal campaign that doesn't, you know, has been waging since october the certificate but so you would prefer the cloak on under a person like blinking. uh, rather than that, oh you, you make you make these false comparisons. i, i've never supported blake and the secretary of state. that's never been my position tuesdays. i've made it tell me one silver lining. you can make say that i'm going to finish what i started say. and if you want to keep talking while i'm talking, that's fine. by me, but no one's been understand what either one of us to say by the through in the tao with israel when he went there in october the 15th and basically gave israel carte
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blanche. so you had our of american communities in place like michigan, the state of michigan, the city of deer board voted for a truck not realizing that trump will be worse for the palestinians. the inviting could ever be because bite is at least a decent person. trump is incredibly on coast and supports the worst and the israeli policy. and this idea that i'm going to just take over, i'm going to take us, i'm not going to pay for nobody know us soldiers involved, which means is, is really the dense forces which have been conducting a year. and a half of genocidal campaign will be in a position to do the what do they want to garza? and while he's distracting us with that, the israel laser plague ethnic cleansing operations in the west bank. so nothing could be worse for the term community. and the palestinian community, then the trump's real estate deal and you'll have to keep in mind that this was a real estate deal for the beginning. if you look at trump real estate,
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billionaire, if you look at his son this sunday law questionnaire, real estate, no you there. if you look at the last is really vassar to israel under the 1st term . david friedman, real estate. i know you there. if you look at the special ed and boy with cost real estate billionaire, that's a district, it's a trump, is a transactional, real estate deal has nothing to do with the diplomacy, which he doesn't understand. we know that from the 1st term, the way he handled in john hone in the way he dealt with the booby, but he does think he knows real estate. so that's what we're saying. he didn't discuss the plan with his own advisors. mike wants the national security adviser who was in over his head, knew nothing about it, secretary of state, rubio knew nothing about it. uh, the intelligence community wasn't based on what, what, what involved and what the consequences, what day it was
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a see that the parents idea and he's a seat of the pants. egomaniac, whose narcissism is going to create problems, not only for the united states, but for the entire global community. and i'm sure a potent education thing couldn't be happier, that they're gonna see of diminished america as a result of this administration for self to sit there and quibble about what our obama administration did, or what a samantha powers did. oh, your lack of knowledge about a id is meaningless and a big deal with what's happening in the global community today. so can i just say a lot of people agree, a lot of people watching the great you've had it. so you've had a quite a say here, a lot of people will be agreeing with a lot of what you've been saying. they won't agree with using biden's is essentially decent. and if you're talking about that into one of the other ways, richards, but capital to country libya being destroyed compared to what trump has done and saying that trump should i use the same dialogue is important at the same time criticizing. trump,
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for me to give jonathan and somebody saying that the ukraine war under biden was better than the trump uh, put in relations uh before before a bite and was elected. who is michael domino, you, you, you like this guy, assistant secretary of defense for the middle east blog. i don't know him, but i've read him. and it was a puzzling appointment because he seemed to rather rational to be a he wants a lower us presence less us visibility in the middle east. he's willing to reduce the us military presence around the world, which involves nearly $700.00 bases and operating sites. and cut, the sale of these. russia has 2 bases in syria. china has one base on the owner of africa into booty. so he seems to make sense to me. i don't know how he slipped through. uh, the guardians of donald trump and made it into the pentagon. but as long as someone like hex it is the secretary defense,
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i don't expect anything good to come out of the that i got anyway. clearly the most important to issue even above usa ideas. where is that good said is a resumption of start nuclear disarmament treaties. there is no more important issue facing any of us and nothing happens. the arms control expert in the trump administration. i'm just about to ask you. nothing obviously happened on the biden harris jet aside. joe, hall of glow stairs. nothing happened under obama. nothing happened under these people. really, the bad rush. i hope you're wrong about obama. you don't know your facts about obama destroyed libya. pharmacy, so they don't destroy libby advocacy. all your you're obsessed with libya. well, i mean, you also said that there's no argument about that anyway, just tell me what you think there are prospect of reviving. i mean, as far as i understand that there will be a trump, who's in meeting, do you think that there will be any progress on strategic alms limitation that
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affect every human being on this planet? as well as a drop isn't as opposed to reliance on nuclear weaponry, but i don't think he has the slash the patients uh to work out or no arms control position. i was at the salt talk, i was the intelligence advisor to saw one. i was in diana and 71 and 72. and your audience should understand how much work is involved and getting to an artist control agreement. the truck isn't prepared to do that kind of work. he has no arms control advisor. he has no arms control staff. it's not like the obama administration that re negotiated base. the new started agreement to correct what you were saying about obama and arms control, which unfortunately, expires in january or february of next year. what's worse, it is now the china is building up to a position that could equal the united states and russia in terms of nuclear
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inventory. nuclear weapons have no utilitarian value whatsoever. the fact that these 3 nuclear powers modernising is we are, are expanding the way the china is, or threatening to put nuclear weapons in space. the way i found is, is why the bulging of atomic scientists as move there tuesday, clock closer to midnight. this is a very serious issue, just like climate control was a serious issue of has available good boy out of time. thank you so much proof as well. the good news that's it for the show will be back with a brand new episode on saturday, and you'll then keep in touch by the social media, if it's on sense of deal country that to a channel going on. glad to be on revel. they'll come to us new and old episodes of going on the grounds. he's having
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the hello. my name is joe, i'm a traditional catholic, father of 6 children. i'm from dallas, texas originally. all right, my girls. what are you doing? by that time? many things had changed since curb in america, and she talked about the eligibility propaganda and all that sort of thing. we think that we would like to move and live somewhere else to raise our children. 2023. my wife and i and my 6 children, we moved to restaurant, really actually seen all these movies of russia being this dark, very place and crash and everybody starving. these are fish eggs, me and joking. so that's called the current and the russians loved pizza. of what it's like living in russia with a big family. the good and the bad. the pros and cons expectations,
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meeting reality killed in the i can't. but the thing that i see the lender is also tomorrow on the 18th of february, the 1st they don't. patients on a high level between a wash or a russian diplomatic delegation is set for talks with their american counterparts on choose day hoping to forage of peace passed the peace over the war when you create we will listen to our american counterparts. and of course, we will be ready to respond. we will report back to our leaders who will make decisions regarding further steps. one passing without an invite to the pulse is ukraine's lot of means the landscape. so instead his laptop next door in the you
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