darlene can do absolutely anything, as long as it hurts, flush off by stay with our team to national for all the latest from around the world. thanks for watching by now. the welcome to cross top boulevard and we're all things are considered on peter level. finally, the trump administration has started its pitch, the end, the ukraine complex. needless to say, it did not go down well with the european establishment addicted as they are to this war. will trouble the plan work. will the russians agree to discuss these

issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel in budapest. he's a pod cast where the guy goal, which be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have dmitri bob, that she is the deputy for an editor uncomfortable sky, a problem that daily or gentlemen cross type rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. let's start out with george in budapest. well, we've been waiting for this for her a long time. it was a campaign promise, and no trump is making his um, his move as it were here. obviously, i'm making reference to what was going on at the munich security conference. and we had p peg sets, which kind of surprised us all. he eloquently delivered the administration's position with quite a bit of forcefulness, i would say much to the gloom and doom of the europeans, georgia. the you know, from the held said, i think it's an interesting game, but the trump administration is essentially saying ukraine has to make

a territorial territorial concessions. and the us is not backing ukraine membership in nato and no commitment of american troops in some kind of post, more post conflict environment where article 5 could be invoked. that's a pretty interesting starting point. i mean, that was even up to negotiation, which should be your opinions found appalling. um, what do you get from them? because there's a lot of hard negotiations ahead. there's a lot of details and there's a, there's a lot of ambiguity out there. but from the get go, the trump administration is making very clear, it does want this more to come to an end. george, what was the question i, i agree fee the that the but the, the trumpet those races, they play it once the as well to and, and that is even clear from the, the telephone conversation that took place between the secretary of state marco rubio and um, uh, russian foreign minister, so like

a lover of they agreed on the meeting in saudi arabia is going to be obviously a very high level of negotiating team on both sides. and what was interesting from the russian read out of this conversation is that the united states pitched to russia a general. the time, i mean, it was saying, well, the week, let's sit down, work out our differences and police, according to the russians. the americans brought up the a number of sol points with the russians, the issue of the embassies and the normalization with arrest, but the situation with the embassies and the consulates. and the, essentially, the suggestion that the sanctions unilateral sanctions of the united states impose on russia could be a pull negotiation. but there, that's when they get away with the problem lies, because i think this is what the trump administration wants to say. look,

we're offering russia and they, they don't, then you need then any improvements of relations. but then we want something in return from raw ships. basically we want russia to, and this will allow us to see sign out on this, this now. and i think that's going to be a difficult one because a irregular russian would then have to say, well, our issues have not yet been resolved. i mean, the issue to be with the before all the list. they're not, they're not being fully and across from the russian controls, and we want a permanent guaranteed, somehow security for us. and that's, that's, that's the hope isn't go put discussion. so it's going to be very, very tricky to going forward. yeah, damage. george is absolutely right. i mean, in some circles, i think it's fair to say there was euphoria that the there is light at the end of the tunnel. there is a commitment here, but is george rightly points out the war is continuing and there is no indication

that it's going to stop any time soon. so we're really kind it in a levitated state here we have intentionality. we know we where we want to go. george is absolutely right. a form of data around which has been so grossly absent and us russia relations. so, i mean, there's a vision, but you know, what's the next step? because the more is continuing dma. well, it's clear that the next step is going to be negotiations for both negotiations. how old is it? a market, who billable? and the sort of get a level of i'm not going to sign some kind of an agreement that pulled and the sports. yeah. they can agree on future thoughts that may bring that result. and the danger is that the idea of loans will get enrolled into these to go sheets, of course, to the main idea of looks of the current, uh, european leadership. and uh, at least parts of the region stablish. so basically i was better reassured by the

phrase or the code from uh, from uh, uh, basically a promo, a deep go of disco yesterday in doing it. he said that the, i think what we don't want to get to do is get the large group of people in discussion. and the hillside is that the you may not be at the table when do you, asshole stokes with russia? well, that would be very, very cool, because this is what you would need for a good to go. she, since you need to call. so train all the big points. you know, this is why people that's where full of moles, that's why they never broke about. they draw, which it's, uh, they talk about business, you know, here's what we've had. we've had with this quote, which is the wine. why are you, i want you to know why a game you can only clear from the war in ukraine except maybe possibly between doctor public's and the crazy radio national slide part will be, will suddenly instead of being at the margin so green, what does expire?

anybody to, to high positions a rush to last up was because we understand your dream became so much where it was most of the little ducks you are. because last, it's a profitable relationship with russia and mary colt and promptly is a, is a 1st magic person. i don't want to idealize him. he's not. the idea is to be smart, that she wants to make money and she is a very much give you stated by the fact that there we have spent $113000000000.00 on support for your great us. some of the information she thinks that she can quote and saved them by you bring a natural resources that's going to happen when one of us will tell you that or the least she made spoke, rosie, you know, this is what the us you can achieve. still goes in chrome, that's what i'm the minute i couldn't hear you bringing up the word losing and georgia, the ukraine has lost this military conflict. okay. how it ends again,

we still don't know but it we know the outcome, but the other big loser is europe. in all of this, i mean the americans went to munich and basically lectured them even hector them. okay. so you're a vassal states, vassals don't pull a or are not invited to the table. you accepted that status, so don't complain now george that's, that's exactly right. and what the kellogg was suggesting when he said what we had in the past, we have too many people at the negotiating table was rip, referring to the men's gross. as i'm on my side, almost remember the americans weren't involved in med school. that was a european process, so that could have been the opportunity for the europeans to throw that wage and, and to resolve this. so you know, that, you know, that was that he was under the, the french german law spaces in the mid spices. they didn't do anything in the year

of the, in the russians issue. they complain. so say the, you know, they look like no one's doing anything about the implementing minutes and they didn't bother doing anything. so now the, the mom a seat at the table, having malik 1st, we've failed for 8 years to do anything with that. the seat of the table of it. but it did usually you reveal aspect of it could be quite dangerous because they absolutely uh, re bid. there's going to be a meeting on monday involving all the high level european states. you know, my crowns is gonna be patters micro will be this dom i'm a little, i mean, i'm sure the trump administration shaking in their boot. it's so that that's exactly it. but they, it, you know, they so demented that they intend to be somehow involved in ukraine's and that's where they get this started getting very dangerous because it for, well, yeah, i think there's also a call or a to that d. my is that, um, also uh, the american delegation made it very clear. or maybe not crystal clear, but your,

your role is to clean up the mess because a man can troops are not going to be there. there's not going to be the kind of security guarantees that you would like to have the image without american security guarantees. we are paying monthly months are essentially useless. i mean, what the, okay, and you go and we can have a 100 years security agreement that, i mean, this is just comical stuff here. so europe is paying the cost for its negligence. and i think both of you are surprised. i certainly was to hear people excited talk about the men's process. we've never really heard of a high level american official actually mention it in the context that he did. there's a learning curve over there, some place of depending on dma a well, it's amazing. i saw the european lead is a, is a, i mean, bank, if you don't, you just risk boss to, uh trumps. move. actually what we hear is, oh, monique again. i mean, still do is that how long have you been say it's, you know,

i think for 30 years every get them to have dialogue with brush it was met the once about really and even though rush, it was not present unique in that team. so it did was something between the girls, the french and the british. so again, a toner gift to prompt russia. that's for, on project, seem to keep a new new bands at. that's your, uh, that's a normal how is it, how was advanced that they can, you can just set the tools you know, into you're being in prison for a expression of beans which did not fit these terrible, ultra liberal ideal. would you know at to arrest? i would need a person to brain next to on a bush clean the stairs. you know? no one did that before. so basically, uh, basically what we see is, uh there you are please. i told him, oh stip at the same time block, so steep about his block. so see, because europe, these are the only part if you,

that's one of the what the can do. you know, they just a lance kansas. me. they want, they want to continue because they exist, they, they hold onto their, well, i mean and deem it, i mean, well, you know, it was just because it's bumped with this. yeah. but it can be for material reasons . obviously there's an ideological element. we can't allow the russians to win. that's not george, that's not thinking geo politically, this is one of the biggest problems we've had with this complex. but i think what they're really worried about, and we'll talk about in the 2nd part of the program as well, is a nato is at stake here, and they all know it may do is at stake it because this is why we're in a unprecedented situation whereby the americans are saying we on out, we want to bring this thing to an end. the yorba thing. know, we want to keep it going. but the question is, well, how are you? europeans are going to keep it going without the americans. adams and the landscape came along the music. is it going to congress at all while you go to come up with a european on media?

but that's the events that have the hip facility isn't feasible now, but so that's, that's is very, very unusual because in the policy it's always been the other way around. we had belligerent the americans and the europeans was a no, no, no, a calm down in the room, reassuring everything. but this time, it's a european's, a belligerent, the americans, you know, they, they want out see, but i think why it's dangerous, because foot frustrated, doesn't provide any security guarantee is difficult. a european come to the best. all right, that whole, now we're going to continue talking about nato. and the 2nd part of the program, gentlemen, i'm going to go to a quick break. and after that quick break, we'll continue our discussion on russia, ukraine, and the trump administration. stay with our team, the the russian

states. never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best most i'll send send the send, the 65 to 5 must be the one else calls. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on the russia to day and split the r t. suppose next, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. for what question did you say stephen twist, which is the take a fresh look around his life kaleidoscopic isn't just

a shifted reality. distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really once a better wills. and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going on the ground? can the welcome act across the whole horns were all things are considered on peter level. in demo, we've talked about the trump administration's pitch. we've talked about the european reaction to it. now on this program, we're going to talk about, well, about something that hardly anyone else talks about and it's very important. what

will the russians settle for? because, you know, we nato expansion, not one in east. we had nato destroyed po, uh, the former yugoslavia and nato has been causing trouble all around the world. its already been mentioned on this program. the mens process thing we can add to that is stem bull informed with viewers will know exactly what we're talking about. the russians don't want to get fooled again and i will living here the russian people don't want to set me settle for less. there's a lot of pressure on the kremlin. i'm president putin. well, you're absolutely right. and actually uh, so what do you see us on the european union are based on to absolute be erroneous wild suppositions. the 1st one is that i was wondering what was not stopping to bring you with tech support. would you accept bull? and after that, that's the 1st one. what's the position of the 2nd? well, if with total, what they call, which is g m,

as it will be so much nice that you know, there will be quotations for crash, the peaceful go. russia. it's helps that were lot, you know, if uh, which is replaced by some of the code that's going to be going to be a lot more belligerent to what's your, because the majority over actions. i'm very and agree that you, it's a lot of people expected. you to play the role maybe to during the mean scroll, so send people before and you're always free with us. and now people see, you know, people's how i'm doing america with say, whenever we're serious about the quotes, we just want the ukraine to get time to think people here for what the know they, they, what should be here. russians have access to the media, a lot of us before going to just now they're a google slate, just if you want to check what she said. so indeed, my own before was that the president against power will be important enough to come

. the other thoughts has here and still agree to some kind of what it will be. i don't know. what i can say is that what you never want that all the car just lamp cheap. you know, i remember he's cool. we already have everything that we need here. what we need from your brain is sick, your age, your credit. uh and obviously, uh, any agreements look have to be. it's a cheap that some point built on it with the united states, but with the nature of. so because if you're remains in danger, and if you're pre main strengthening, that whole fuel be left towards you, not personally looking to sell but the left to get a bit and st. george, that's what gets, that's the crux of it all. here is the root causes of it all. and of course, all of this wants to see this carnage come to an end. and i repeat what i've said for 3 years, a conflict that never ever should have happened in the 1st place. my goodness is

worth talking about this. can you imagine them? the soldiers in the field wondering who's going to be the last one to die as politicians talk? and it's a risk thought to contemplate and, but the, the issue that really needs to be addressed is security for all, for all the and the west has to, we learn this. they have forgotten about it because they've been ideologically blinded. and most of phobia blinds people into it and doing very, very dangerous things that we seen for the last 3 years. security guarantees for all, we're all old enough to remember the helsinki process. we're not the so all that we meant, remember you all to. but if we need something, yelled a yell to slash helsinki process. it, trump is in a hurry. you can't get this kind of stuff done quickly. george, where are you calling? then you're, you're actually right. the zip um, what the referee is looking for and that, and it has been since it was sensitive issue. those 2 documents that december 2021

is helsinki. 2 point. oh um. the problem there is that the europeans are absolutely no mood for any kind of the helsinki process. so even if some kind of a global conference were arranged under the auspices of the united states, they wouldn't do anything. i mean they, they wouldn't agree on anything. all that would happen is that the europeans would be there, you know, the carrier call us and it was the live on the line and then it will, wherever is the german chancellor, you're freed right much and they would spend that time yelling and ranting and raving against the russians, they wouldn't agree to anything. and that's why the, the think, you know, if, if of things, what would russia settle? what i mean? obviously there's the issue of the, for all blessed with, you know, rep address is not in full control. that's one thing, and then those the live belong to and security guarantees. and it's very hard to see how it can get those long term security guard just given the mood in the europe

. the. the danger, however, for russia is that if it says no, we not the supplemental, this, then as actually this would have been a, you know, an opportunity to get lost because there's no question. you know, the united states is doing something, the bible didn't do well, bonded they do it, he's the united states is now offering some kind of a partnership. and the removal of ups that goes to a fruitful relationship. you to say no to that. then, you know, russian will be the very difficult position because i think of them the trump is ministration, particularly trump, himself mercurial as he is with them, you know, resume hostility. and that is some even more intense than um, uh, the, the bite of this patient is such a very difficult situation for russian, which has to really mean, you know, home maneuver very, very cleverly various skewed. we are very diplomatic made to keep the americans on board. why did sure and did so long term security interests edema. they tell our

audience how russians have thought about this conflict in the late being able to contemplate that it could relatively soon come to an end. we never really hear much about what russians think we're russians are always tucked out, but they're very rarely listen to. so give us a flavor of the time right now. no worries. no. the you there is a pdf. give me just a few costs for the 1st time. uh in 3 years we have a good news to know about. it is some kind of dial restart the dry sure. the west and of course, uh no wiley drum, she's crepey about people dying and there was no and there is no f decatur to was you agree? yes. relations between dresses depends. so i very much like relations between the french leave them in the, in front of the french, even in belgium and quote, her may be a few, jo. so, but the generally speaking, there was never any teach,

at least what was the idea of what people from the stop, you know, it was the walk of the west against russia. and right now what the o, b, u, mom, you know these 4 regions in ukraine. we need them 1st because they have always been populated by of the questions. i mean read history. co. russia was expansion for the south of fire can bottom on and by it's so the, these areas see the web see what populated by russians from inside, deep inside glass shirts. and, and we need these for robots, for security because their song is next to great via, without care, sometimes is always exposed. uh, basically is rogia is the link between main with russia and premier show that there can be transportation. i don't boss, you know, don't, yes, kimball desk. they, they moved. they are, they're wanting brush or they suffered so much for 10 years. constant won't close

them. uh, stripes won't be great. sites. the boat hadaway, you know, they, they lost solely. so basically what process requires a medium above everyone was difficult, takes around people very and get the soul gosh, of liberals, emmy brand new groups and i will say, oh no, no, you know when they were reading it, they said we said before so much we can stand up and all they say don't stop both the rules continue and the new crane concludes. so these people who's in the ramp, so they're pretty, pretty typical. yeah, well that's one good thing about all this. the russian liberals of the so marginalized himself, they've turned into a national and international joke, a topic for another program. george it. um, it's been talked about. um i think it's just very vague right now and maybe didn't part of this you for you from the trump and she could be in in moscow on may, 9th, some of the 80th anniversary of the defeat of fascism in europe. that would be

that would, that would be of a magnitude of the fall of the berlin wall. george laid, it says it would be in full dishes, move something crumpled like, i mean i was like bold moves. um i, i, i, i have a feeling he is not going to do that. it would just go so much consolation in washington. any your but it's quite possible that they will be some senior us representations, you know, maybe a go at the level of bucko rubio, maybe at the level of a cal, but they will be some us um, representation. my name itself would be a significant move. and again, you know, it does the rustling in a very tricky position because the, the americans are making all of these moves. but they was, i think, in real time, they want you to end this war. even though the pressure has a visitation not to accomplish the goal. so therefore, it really adds a southern measure of pressure on russia, in the idea of how to respond on to what,

what honestly be a very the other generous offer by, by the american say, look, we recognize all of you, you will suffer anything we recognize you know all of the terrible things that have been done to you and we, you know, we're here. so now we want something from you in return. you know, trump for anyone's, this piece agreement. he wants it done and he wants it done. so a demon headed um, uh, the former president of ukraine. uh zalinski equate himself in, in munich because he through a quite a few temper tantrums. um, i mean uh he feels that, um, uh, he's been spurned by the americans, which i think is a fair assessment. but basically he but his, um, uh the, the countries that are with the recording him, i don't really the or are not significant. i mean, emily, in a better box, she can yell and scream all you want, but nobody was the tears. what she says, i mean, the europeans will, you know, might marry him. but you know that, that,

that's a sloppy seconds. as we used to say in high school diploma. well, this is becoming a sofa where suitcase with all the handle of where you are, you know, for the europeans because they haven't invested so much and they gave you all kinds of order assume prompts. there was a joke, it don't you remain to put him in the principal, you know, very human defense are the only problem is he's not the french citizen. so that was the only of what he didn't get to keep up all sorts of orders from people from german products. and no, i wonder how many passports he actually has like a that's a side bar. okay. and the appropriate fees that the key amount feels himself for that. so he makes contradictory statement. so i, oh, i'm ready to give trial old and they show results us will be great and all the land got, you know, it's like a bankrupt uh gamble. i mean, it says i have so much of oh, you can certainly take it off. all right, gentlemen, on that note. um, he definitely was the big loser in munich. um. oh,

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