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it provides a goodman counter punch where i used to. right? well, i kind of right. i should still be writing for it. i got to talk to you about. right? yeah, i know time to stop right. exactly. no, no time. clearly because of your new president. i blame it all on him. you're a secretary of state. rubio is here, said you'll to continuing his release to a. we get strange comments from trump where policy doesn't match his comments off the cuff. and he says things that i read the end of the previous administration, just from your insight in years there. i don't know what you think of john radcliff, the new head of the c i a year old. we used to work. how far is trump being undermined? from the inside or is he being more undermined than usual or less? well, frankly, i don't feel he's being undermined at all. i figure, i feel that he's appointed a group of lawyers who are paying fuel to you to him. and what really bothers me is they're going out of their way to do things that are in just as crow. and just as
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unconscionable as trump himself. so they can climb up the ladder or favortism in the cabinet. and you look at how secretary, se rubio, for example, who was confirmed 99, did nothing which i thought was absurd. he has switched a lot of those positions. he was a big backer of agency for international develop it. uh now he can't wait to take it over and he's been a part of the great thing is it, did you as a id is being destroyed or well it's, it's kind of like a product that is being destroyed. because if trump is talking about grading guys as the riviera, the middle east, they usually for international development would have to draw or something like that agency would have a huge role. doing really id. i mean, tell me what you know about usa id. i mean sets out by the, under the kennedy administration because suddenly all our lives as far as i understand that have been undermined by us a id, whether it be the stabilisation of democracies,
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it seemed to me and from what's being on co be spelled k a i d, the stabilizing democracies. yeah, that's right. where, where are you getting that? the mass financing of the media? i mean, what have you thought about the fact that it seems to be funding media certainly was across. so your and different types of actions to be able to uh say back. yeah, i think they were, i rarely been engaged in humanitarian, a, an infrastructure aid of not in the compromising of media around the terry. and a, does he explain to me, what do you think? do you manage every day? because so as i understand is an i trouble quite a bit through africa. and in the global south. usaid is just a soft way of whether the eyes in us had demonic power. and it usually leads and these to the mass killing of a 1000000 a year. this, they are buying into a propaganda line that you're hearing, i guess on the, the level south that the russians are putting out for years. most of what a id does is you monetary and construction infrastructure, name me. so i'm just,
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i'm at, i'm only me, one thing i as well and i always in greece, the entire road network was built by a i did for a wedge or a company that rece wouldn't have a logistics capability with that. okay, great. i think okay, greece the, tell me what about the us, how i don't agree, i don't know of africa. how about all of africa? name a country in the health field and the humanities name, one country. and i'll tell you why that was actually to do a destabilizing democracy in that country, the greek tunnels. when you talk about the civic power, you're actually to hear a id had nothing to do with the degree colonels. yeah, you're focusing on the wrong agent. so you're barking up the wrong one. so you thought it was the law just of the united states that went into go into greece. that's great. oh, that was that soft power. it's done for influence is done for train, although it's source power. oh you. what is the city a for who anyway i, what's the difference between what a id is doing and what john is doing with the b, r a and the other roma here to defend china?
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i'm attacking usa. i b as the whole year old has vastly, you obviously have know, i'm a one off frequently the name, a one global south leader who is complaining about trump destroying usa id when they are ethically you'd expect them to be saying, no, we really need this us i, we weren't attention. are they paying at all to what trump is joy? that's the more important thing. well, no attention is being paid. he's doing things that are incredibly malicious, really are the only thing i say i that aren't aware of the see i an artist of how lovely, honestly i for are you. he would allow me to speak or not. are we gonna, are we gonna have a discussion or are you just going to interrupt me? how long with you at the c i a and was your chat. john hopkins funded by usa id in any way. say that again with johns hopkins university in receipt of any grounds from usa id does hopkins university. i attended johns hopkins
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university. i teach now at johns hopkins university. they will rely on funding. okay. id. there is no funding for the doing that hopkins gets, as it is far, it's military research components that are located off campus. and they're one of those, the largest receivers recipients. i think i hear that $300000000.00 usa id give john hopkins. says i said, who says that it's in the usa id file world, we get this information. they were it's on the johns hopkins university website. have a look at it. i think this is the problem with what trump is done to so many scholars who now realize their research, the defending usaa de, cuz technically you're in the pare down the tubes for usa. i do, you know, when they are defending or i'm not defending usa id, i'm trying to tell you what this factual situation is and you're spending
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a bunch of propaganda. that's all i'm hearing from you, regardless of the drum. and this is for this information sites that are around the world. so the from the, this is from your university website. the, during that the university has receded usa id money. while the infrastructure in the united states is pulling up a, which is a course where the trouble ministration say, and come to think of it what the left says in the united states as well. let's, let's move to, let's move to is made lease policy then. and his hope you have for a factual basis. so in the middle east policy, everything i said was true usa id is a, gives grant aid to uh, to john helped a lot of us the largest money that hopkins gets from the government. that is in military aid is for research in the medical field and such joy. this is the telecommunications program, as you add ons, hopkins hospital and hopkins sense of communication programs is in receipt of usa id money. now it will be to present will be they'll shut down. and clearly if that
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propagandizing for you as a id and receiving money for it, probably not a bad idea. let's go to the middle, easy. she got it is big, shutting down a id is a good thing. it's well for me to think it's a good thing or a bad thing, but it is for me to ask a question as to why on the us tax. there was funding programs to destabilize democracy, you know, with all around the federal budget is used by a id. i moved even quarrelling about the magnitude. i'm saying why is one of the best answer the question. so i figured id of, do you know what you're talking about? if $1.00 goes there, it's $1.00 too much. you've seen your homelessness problem way. you can do the 40000000 that are our food stamps or the id. is there 14000000 in your country? who can eat tonight without federal food age and you're telling me it doesn't matter if i may. and $50000000000.00 is being given to us and power and situations are in africa. that's what you're telling me. $40000000.00 in appropriations. as
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far as i understand is what you're asking me. $40000000000.00. it could be going to feed americans and go hungry tonight. okay. i'm not saying this from some isolated from this, you know, in between the war way. it's just, it's clear that the african countries don't one your money from what my experience is after visiting african countries or mama. i've been to africa to and they are grateful with name one country set it all set a goal. you've seen what's happened in the out years ago found the goal is in the art is set, a goal is just rejected a subject. i don't think you know what you're talking about. let's go to an area you're more okay with this article is government is thrown out usaid on the i m f. loans, but we can't, we can't control the profit excess of africa any more than try it again or russia cad. well, it's so you can't blame that on. i think you just said it clearly because it was soft. patrick, i think you should look at what samantha power did over a 4 year period for joe by and then we could have a conversation. what do you think as a matter, as i tell me about how do you think about a as well,
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i think she did her best. i wish she were a little more aggressive, but you tried to hold the organization together what it was under attack before she came into the binding administration. and she's definitely a humanist. she wrote an excellent book on genocide. i think she has good credentials. brock obama took her into the administration for a very good reasons and she stands head and shoulders above the typical bureaucrat, you're gonna see around the world because she has strong feelings about the amount of cherry and a some of the power is a cheerleader for the war that is painfully only coming to an end. will you just let your body shut all but use most degree? the libby or individual is about why don't why don't you talk about it. you have to pull those regimen libya and get off the propaganda. what does it propaganda? your speaking up and promoting samantha power, who now is under investigation? she's under investigation as i understand it for ford alleged fraud because of her
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personal finance. as far as performing her salary at usa idea, she's under investigation for fraud. i think the implication was there from the oval office using the past. you think you did? you see acacia ok. virus or mom about the power obviously you just said was taken up by a bama. so it's about the power was cheer leading. the invasion of libya and the destruction of the good that the government africans, which is per capita country, you supported that as well. i don't, i don't to attribute it to a i. d and the power outage, one of the power. no, no. is hillary clinton. uh it was um, susan rice uh were pushing obama and it was uh, i think you need to look it up. his commands. um it is samantha uh, let's go to ivan storing is best to prevent it. it is, it is clearly so that the battle, you don't like to say go with the new national defense. the national director of
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national intelligence is that she's been crazy, decided to translate into i'm not happy with that. yes. tell me, why did they tell me why you think that as well her trip to syria was a very good example of meeting was aside, and then lying about how the meeting was set up and who was at the meeting. and she's denied that the russians were using a fighter aircraft in syria. and she repeated russian propaganda about the united states providing uh by a warfare instrumentation to ukraine. she's gone all over the lot, ideologically. i don't know what she really stands for, to turn over the intelligence community of 18 different agencies. this $82000000000.00 budget is just nonsense and it's just one of the miserable appointments. trump is made. whether you look at cash or tell and f b i or john radcliff, that c i a or type on the,
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the attorney general's office. it leaves elden at the environmental protection agency which will be turned back into what trump did to it in the 1st term. it's a disaster professor melvin goodman. i'll stop you that more from the pharmacy. i am listed as senior fellow at the center of international policy after this break, the if you think about russia, what does your mind picture? the flooding landscapes open up before your eyes?
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the water one does, you imagine? or the, the discard starts the journey, the, the, you ready to come along the welcome back to going, undergoing obviously with policy analyst and now professor of government, the joint elkins university professor melvin goodman. well, you're saying that you don't like to see gabby's appointment by the senate. i don't know. no, i'm saying i don't like any of the appointments. i'm just putting tossed gabbert at the top of the list with the cash battelle and josie garbage facility or no more. yeah, my favorite, here's my favorite robert f kennedy,
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who's going to be running the health of human services along with dr. i also be running medicare and medicaid. these are people who are totally unqualified. i haven't, i haven't even mentioned the heck said so you started out talking about uh, with this so called conversation began. yeah. and of course is absolutely fine, but you know, i feel like the appointments, but clearly through the way the united states system works, they have to be confirmed by congressional appointments. and so they don't have to be confirmed. they can be denied confirmation. and if there was a serious republican party or not the people like uh, bill cassidy from louisiana, who's a physician and obviously forgot what the hippocratic code is all about and voted for r f. kennedy junior, whose own family does sound. so you're basically saying the united states is rotten to the core, or no, i'm saying the trump ministration is right into the court on there because it's, well, yeah, but it has to be confirmed by congress. and it's clearly
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a democratic mandate. the trump and the both houses of congress, the have you on tuesday, guy, but you started off your desired language. you inquire as to why don't you add the supreme court to that list of what trump controls i know, even in different pages this little picture, i have popular majority, but i have 3 people. he appointed the supreme court. yeah, he seemed to be painting a very dismal end of the very business situation. and it has global implications because a recommendation is a good example. yeah, i want to get all drugs are in a 2nd, but just you made an allegation about to us a guy with a new national director of national intelligence. a thank you. i have going you lighter. yeah, also, gavin, you said she shouldn't have gone to syria. why should she not have gone to syria? i didn't say she shouldn't have gone to syria. so well what i said, i see you. you don't listen. you talk so much that you don't hear what's being said to you as she lied about what happened in syria. she defended aside after her visit
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to syria. if she didn't acknowledge that she met with a terrorist while she was in a syria, that's my problem. i, i'm in favor of person to person diplomacy. i'm in favor of talking to putting, i'm in tech favor of talking to jason pain. the conversation was potent, which trump started like to this trade off of a hostage that allowed the release of mark fogel, who shouldn't ever been jailed in the 1st place. would you do that by, by talk if this is something that motion she denies for live as an eisenhower understood. and i think it was wrong or biden, to cut off all contacts with food and, and with g essentially because of ukraine or because of the director, taiwan. we still have to keep talking. we have larger interest with the russians of china. then you craned us, but she always was a guy with denies a in any way that she lied about it. and that i, every day and think that she wants to. but she's now the director of national intelligence. so, you know, she's, she's going to be able to get
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a good option for learning. and i don't know, i saw that, that fact on guys. uh, do you don't think it's refreshing from trump that we finally uh, on mosque. would us policy arguably be into the palestinians for decades, bite and blinking were responsible for genocide, the names of synonymous with genocide across the global south. oh, within a few hours your trip is, is more in the is really camp and by and never could be. absolutely, i, i don't think that can be criticize that opinion, but he stopped the for a while, the aerial bombardment of guys or something that bite him. and harris was who stopped the aerial bombardment of kaiser donald trump for the cx. 5 a deal. see suffix who is the range because nothing yahoo was not left with any targets. sorry. what are they bombing? they're there, but they're making does uninhabitable. and there was none of the aerial but bob and stopped when i from pads. why let me finish where i'm say,
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and that's why nothing now who was smirking of the whole time, that trump and dale this man, this idea that we're going to take guy. so we're going to kick all the palestinians out. and jordan and egypt are going to take that man as just the king of jordan. we'd be in a position to take in hundreds of thousands of palestinians. i don't think trump knows anything about gaza. he knows nothing about that knock but he knows nothing about palestinian displacement is going back to 1948 and not the entire world except for right wing jews. it is real. are highly supportive of what he's doing. i don't the anyone can i again think what you said you there, but it's a matter of charity. i don't think it was you but i mean yeah, but him some pallets. okay. yeah. most of the big dollars do you know who we appointed as impassive or israel like fuck me. but i think anyone what i didn't know it completely, wayne glenn, let's stop what's uh, i've tried to gauge how much you really understand this. happy ever use the term
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palestinians. does he acknowledge the term balance that i know we have to bass? do we have donald trump's deputy assistant on this program? we were watching a robo he, he, he actually said to me on camera saying there's no such thing as a balanced any, but i didn't go well, no one can disagree with you about that. and when the influence of christian zionism and zine is among the trump administration, the fact is that the mask is off. we know what the plan is, am now he's talking about, of course the ethnic cleansing of guys in the united, the world. arguably in the kind of reinvigoration of the 2 state solution. you don't see anything to be got out of the obviously which one is on the surface of something approaching, approaching nazi policy against the jews. i mean, if you're taking what trump is saying at face value, yes, of course it's appalling, but it's having effects that are not the effects that to those supporting it might . we should always the effects that you see that are so good egypt clearly uh,
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now rejecting a meeting at the white house that was easy. jordan not accepting the displacement of other stuff, the other students, the insect ends in down the media. they just delayed it. the you a inside the array via boat, completely against the ethnic cleansing brand as is the whole everyone everyone's against it. anyone who has any humanitarian sense it is against it is racism. it's part of the, the, me, the genocidal campaign that's and your husband waging since october the 2nd. so you would prefer the cloak on under a person like blinking rather than that, oh you, you make you make these false comparisons. i, i've never supported blake and the secretary of state. that's never been my position to use these 5. maybe tell me one silver lining. you can they say that i'm going to finish what i started say, and if you want to keep talking while i'm choppy, that's fine by me. but no one's been understanding what either one of us to say by
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the through in the tao with israel when he went there in october the 15 and basically gave israel carte blanche. so you had our of american communities in place like michigan, the state of michigan, the city of deer board voted for a truck not realizing that trump will be worse for the palestinians. then binding could ever be. because bite is at least a decent person. trump is incredibly on coast and supports the worst, and this is really policy. and this idea that i'm going to just take over, i'm going to take us, i'm not going to pay for nobody know us soldiers involved, which means is, is really the dense forces which have been conducting a year. and a half of genocidal campaign will be in a position to do the what do they want a garza. and while he's distracting us with that the is rarely is, are playing ethnic cleansing operations in the west bank. so nothing could be worse for the home community. and the palestinian community,
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then the trump's real estate deal and you'll have to keep in mind that this was a real estate deal for the beginning. if you look at trump real estate 1000000000 there, if you look at his son is sunday law questionnaire, real estate bill you there. if you look at the last is really bassinger to israel under the 1st term. david friedman, real estate. i know you there. if you look at the special ed and boy, what cost? real estate billionaire, it says this to it's a trump is a transactional, real estate deal has nothing to do with the diplomacy, which he doesn't understand. we know that from the 1st term, the way he handled him, john hone in the way he dealt with the body, but he does think he knows real estate. so that's what we're say. he didn't discuss the plan with his own advisors. mike balls the national security adviser who was in over his head knew nothing about it. secretary of state rubio knew nothing about it
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. uh, the intelligence community wasn't breached on what, what, what involved and what the consequences, what day it was a seat of the pants idea, and he's a seat of the pants. egomaniac, whose narcissism is going to create problems, not only for the united states, but for the entire global community. and i'm sure a potent education thing couldn't be happier, that they're gonna see of diminished america as a result of this administration for self to sit there and quibble about what our obama administration did, or what a samantha powers did. oh, your lack of knowledge about a id is meaningless and a big deal with what's happening in the global community today. stuff can i just say a lot of people agree, a lot of people watching the great. you've had a supervisor quite a say here, a lot of people will be agreeing with a lot of what you've been saying. they won't agree with using vitamins, essentially decent. and if you're talking about that in get one of the other ways, richards, but capital to country libya being destroyed compared to what trump is done and
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saying that trump should i use the same dialogue is important at the same time criticizing trump for me to give jonathan and somebody saying that the ukraine war under biden was better than the trump uh, put in relations uh before, before vitamins elected, who is michael domino, you you, you liked this guy, assistant secretary of defense for the middle east blog. i don't know him, but i've read him and it was a puzzling appointment because he seems rather rational to be a he wants a lower us presence less us visibility in the middle east. he's willing to reduce the us military presence around the world, which involves nearly $700.00 bases and operating sites and cut the sale of these russia has 2 bases in syria. china has one base on the owner of africa into booty. so he seems to make sense to me. i don't know how he slipped through. uh,
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the guardians of donald trump and made it into the pentagon. but as long as someone like hex it is the secretary defense, i don't expect anything good to come out of the pentagon anyway. clearly the most important to issue even above usa ideas. where is that good said is the resumption of start nuclear disarmament treaties. there is no more important issue facing any of us. i have nothing happens. the arms control expert in the trump administration . i'm just about to ask you a nothing obviously happened on the bible. harris jet aside. joe hall across stairs . nothing happened under obama. nothing happened to these people, really, the big rush. i hope you're wrong about obama. you don't know your facts about obama destroyed libya. pharmacy, you know it, destroy libby advocacy of yours. you're obsessed with libya. well, i think you've also said that there's no argument about that. anyway, just tell me what you think there are prospect of reviving. i mean, as far as i understand it, there will be a trump, who's in meeting,
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do you think that there will be any progress on strategic alms limitation that affect every human being on this planet as well? i think trump is a, as opposed to reliance on nuclear weaponry, but i don't think he has the slash the patients uh to work out or no arms control position. i was at the salt talk, i was the intelligence advisor to sophomore, and i was in vienna and 71 and 72. and your audience should understand how much work is involved and getting to an arms control agreements. the truck isn't prepared to do that kind of work. he has no arms control advisor. he has no arms control staff. it's not like the obama administration that renegotiate base the new started agreement to correct what you were saying about obama and arms control, which unfortunately, expires in january or february of next year. which worries it is now china is
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building up to a position that could equal the united states and russia in terms of nuclear inventory. nuclear weapons have no utilitarian value whatsoever. the fact that these 3 nuclear powers of modernizing is we are, are expanding the way the china is, are threatening to put nuclear weapons in space. the way i phone is this. why the bulging of atomic scientists as move there tuesday, clock closer to midnight? this is a very serious issue, just like climate control was a series issue provides available good by out of time. the thank you so much as well and good. thank you. that's it for the show. will be back with a brand new episode on saturday, and you'll then keep it just by the social media. if it's on the 10th of deal country, that to a channel going undergrads, you be on level, they'll come towards new and old episodes of going undergrads. he's having the
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look forward to talking to you. oh, that technology should work for people. the robot must obey the orders given by human beings except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about visual intelligence. the point obviously, is to place a trust rather than to the area. i mean with artificial intelligence, we have so many with the in the robot must protect this phone. existence was on the scene. february 2022. ukraine became the world's number one new story for ukraine,
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new brand, new credit, increasing crane pressure truce invaded ukraine, england. this spring test ukraine suffering from russian english and replacing the main stream media and the nightly numerous were citing clean developed scripts that essentially say exactly the same thing using the buzz word. so this is a threat to our democracy when you see 10 different channels, exactly that sentence. you know, that it's the central intelligence agency script. the role of p r firms. did ukraine throughout europe into united states really can be overstated. it's quite different and it wasn't previous decades where there used to be more of a cobra way of propaganda. government propaganda operations. now, this is just celebrated as p r in helping ukraine and helping get their message out . if that's the case who's pulling the strings and who is profiting
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