us there was more snow and you have the option or 10 say welcome to going under gabriel, gusting around the world from the heart of the middle east with donald trump's foreign minister, secretary state marco rubio if he is to be here to sell the ethnic cleansing of palestine, that is the, our world, including where i'm so we can view from, rejects the plan, continuing disability to state solution for the palestinians. while trump $7000000000.00 of us age and the full mass civilian killing, 2000 pound bombs. but israel reaches net and yahoo, the president has at least opened the pandora's box of u. s. a. the use when it was too complex for the c i a to the stabilize governments around the world. joining me from the us capital washington dc is

a 2 decade c i a man who testified about the corruption of x c. i a both robot gates under george. we're senior today male goodman, and senior fellow at the center for international policy. a professor of government to john hopkins university and the national security code list account a bunch. it provides a goodman counter punch where i used to. right. well, i kind of right. i should still be writing for it. i got to talk to you about right? yeah, i know john, just stop right exactly. no, no time clearly because of your new president, i blame it will on him. us secretary of state rubio is here. said you'll to continuing his release to a. we get strange comments from trump, where policy doesn't match his comments off the cuff, and he says things that i read the end of the previous administration just from your insight in years there. i don't know what you think of john radcliff, the new head of the c i a year old. we used to work. how far is trump being undermined from the inside? or is he being more undermined than usual or less?

well, frankly, i don't feel is being undermined at all. i figure, i feel that he's appointed a group of loyalists who are paying fuel to you to him. and what really bothers me is they're going out of their way to do things that are in just as crow. and just as unconscionable as trump himself. so they can climb up the ladder or favortism in the cabinet. and you look at how secretary, se rubio, for example, who was confirmed 99, did nothing which i thought was absurd. he has switched a lot of his positions. he was a big back or a vacancy for international develop it. uh now he can't wait to take it over and he's been a part of the great thing is it, did you as a id is being destroyed as well? it's, it's kind of like a product that is being destroyed because if trump is talking about reading guys as the riviera, the middle east, they usually for international development would have to draw or something like

that agency would have a huge role. going really id. i mean, tell me what you know about usa id, i mean sets out by the, under the kennedy administration. because certainly all our lives as far as i understand there have been undermined by us a id, whether it be the stabilization of democracy, is it seem to me and from what's being on co these to help a id be stabilizing democracies? yeah, that's right. where, where are you getting that the mass financing of the media? i mean, what have you thought about the fact that it seems to be funding media certainly was across your and different types of actions to be able to uh say back. yeah i, they, they were, i rarely been engaged in humanitarian, a, an infrastructure, a not in the compromising of media around the terry. and a, does he explain to me, what do you think? do you manage every day? because so as i understand this and i travel quite a bit through africa and in the global south usa, it is just

a soft way of weapon sizing us hedge, a monic bar. and it's usually fun. and these to the mass killing of a 1000000 year year this, they are buying into a propaganda line that you're hearing, i guess, on the level south that the russians are putting out for years. most of what a id does is you monetary and construction infrastructure, name me. so i'm just, i'm at, i'm going me one thing i as well, when i was in greece, the entire road network was built by a i did for a wed. sorry, i couldn't hear you. the reese wouldn't have a logistics capability with that. okay, great. i think. okay, great. so tell me what about the you as to how i don't agree, i don't know of africa. how about all of africa, the name of country in the health field and the humanities name, one country. and i'll tell you why that was actually to do with these stabilizing democracy in that country. the greek tunnels. when you talk about the civic power, you're actually took away. i had nothing to do with the degree colonels. yeah, you're focusing on the wrong agent. so you're barking up the wrong one. so you thought it was the law just of the united states that went into go into greece.

that's great. oh, that was that soft power. it's done for influence. it's done for train, although it's soft power. oh, you was the city i a for who anyway i what's the difference between what a id is doing and what john is doing with the b, r a and the other room over here to defend china. i'm attacking usa id as the whole year old has vastly. so you, you obviously have, know, i'm a one african lead, maybe one global supp leader who is complaining about trump destroying usa id when they are ethically you'd expect them to be saying, no, we really need this us. i, we weren't attention. are they paying at all to what trump is joy? that's the more important thing. well, no attention is being paid. he's doing things that are incredibly malicious, really are the only thing i say i that aren't aware of the see i an artist of how lovely, honestly, i for are you. you would allow me to speak or not? are we gonna, are we gonna have a discussion? are you just going to interrupt me?

how long would you at the c i a and was your chair, john hopkins funded by usa id in any way. say that again with johns hopkins university in receipt of any grounds from usa id does hopkins university. i attended johns hopkins university. i teach now at johns hopkins university. they all rely on funding stuff. okay. id. there is no funding for the doing that hopkins gets, as it is far, it's military research components that are located off campus. and they're one of those, the largest receivers recipients. i think i hear that $300000000.00 usa id give john hopkins. said who says that it's in the usa id file world. this information they were is on the jo hopkins university website. have a look at it. i think this is the problem with what trump has done to so many scholars who now realize their research, the defending u. s. a. d,

because technically you're in the pare down the tubes for you as a i do you know when they are defending, as i'm not defending usa id, i'm trying to tell you what this factual situation is and you're spending a bunch of propaganda. that's all i'm hearing from you all together for who drove on this is for this information sites that are around the world. so the from the, this is from your university website. the during the university has receded usa id money while the infrastructure in the united states is pulling up a, which is a course where the trouble ministration today. and come to think of it what the left says in the united states as well. let's, let's move to, let's move to is made lease policy then and his hope you have for a factual basis. so in the middle east policy, everything i said was true usa id is a, gives grant aid to uh, to john helped a lot of us the largest money that hopkins gets from the government. that is in

military aid is for research in the medical field and such joy. this is the telecommunications program as you add ons, hopkins hospital and healthcare incentive communication programs is in receipt through usa id money. now it will be to present will be they'll shut down. and clearly if that propagandizing for you as a id and receiving money for it, probably not a bad idea. let's go to the middle, easy. she got it is big, shutting down a id is a good day. it's well for me to think it's a good thing or a bad thing, but it is for me to ask a question as to why on the us tax. there was funding programs to destabilize democracy, you know, with all around the world, the federal budget is used by a id. i'm not even quarrelling about the magnitude, i'm saying why is one of the best to answer the question. so i to remind you, do you know what you're talking about? if $1.00 goes there, it's $1.00 too much. you've seen your homelessness problem way. you can do the 40000000 that are our food stamps,

not the id. is there $14000000.00 in your country? who can eat tonight without federal food age and you're telling me it doesn't matter if i'm paying $50000000000.00 as being given to us and power and situations are in africa. that's what you're telling me. $40000000.00 in appropriations. as far as i understand is what you're asking me. $40000000000.00. it could be going to feed americans and go hungry tonight. okay, i, i'm not saying this from some isolated from this, you know, in between the war way. it's just, it's clear that the african countries don't one your money from what my experience is after visiting african countries or mama, i've been to africa to and they are grateful with name $1.00 country sending out a synagogue. imagine what happened in the out years ago found the goal is in the art is set, a goal is just rejected a subject. i don't think you know what you're talking about. let's go to an area you're more okay with this article is government is thrown out usaid on the i m f. loans, but we can't,

we can't control the profit excess of africa any more than try it again or russia cad. well, it's so you can't blame that on. i think you just said that clearly because it was soft. patrick, i think you should look at what samantha power did over a 4 year period for jo bye. and then we could have a conversation. what do you think everybody's telling me about? what do you think about a as well. i think she did her best. i wish she were a little more aggressive, but you tried to hold the organization together what it was under attack uh before she came into the binding administration. and she's definitely a humanist. she wrote an excellent book on genocide. i think she has good credentials. brock obama took her into the administration for a very good reasons. she stands head and shoulders above the typical bureaucrat, you're gonna see around the world. because she has strong feelings about the amount of journey and a some of the power is a cheerleader. for the war that is painfully only coming to an end. will you just

let your body shut? all my use must agree, the libya relative is always bad. why don't, why don't you talk about it? you have to pull those legend in libya and get off the propaganda. what does it propaganda? your speaking up and promoting samantha power, who now is under investigation? she's under investigation, as i understand it for ford alleged fluid because of her personal finance. as far as performing her salary at usa idea, she's under investigation for fraud. i think the implication was there from the oval office use in the past. you think you did? you see it. okay. shit. okay. america, mom. how about the power? obviously you just said was taken up by a bama. so samantha power was cheer leading the invasion of libya and the destruction of the get after you government africans which is per capita country. you supported that as well? i don't, i don't attribute it to a i. d and the power outage, one of the power. no, no. is hillary clinton? uh it was. um, susan rice. uh,

were pushing obama and it was uh, i think you need to look it up. his commands. um it is samantha uh, let's go to buy them. story is best to prevent it. it is, it is clearly so that the battle, you don't like to say go with the new national defense. the national director of national intelligence is that she's been crazy, decided to translate into i'm not happy with that. yes. tell me, why did they tell me why you think that as well her trip to syria was a very good example of meeting was aside, and then lying about how the meeting was set up and who was at the meeting. if she's denied that the russians were using a fighter aircraft in syria, and she repeated russian propaganda about the united states providing uh by a warfare instrumentation to ukraine. she's gone all over the last, ideologically,

i don't know what she really stands for to turn over the intelligence community of 18 different agencies. this $82000000000.00 budget is just nonsense and it's just one of the miserable appointments. trump is made. whether you look at cash or tell and f b i or john radcliff, that c i a or type on the, the attorney general's office. it leaves elden at the environmental protection agency which will be turned back into what trump did to it in the 1st term. it's a disaster professor melvin goodman. i'll stop you that more from the pharmacy. i am the listing senior fellow at the center of international policy under this break, [000:00:00;00]

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you ready to come along the welcome back to going, undergoing obviously with policy analysts and now professor of government a joint tompkins university professor melvin goodman. well, you guys saying that you don't like to see gavin's appointment by the senate? i don't know. no, i'm saying i don't like any of the appointments. i'm just putting tossed gabbert at the top of the list with the cash for tell the own tools, the garbage facility or no more. yeah, my favorite, here's my favorite, robert f. kennedy who's going to be running to health and human services along with dr. i also be running medicare and medicaid. these are people who are totally unqualified and i haven't, i haven't even mentioned the heck said so you started out talking about with this so called conversation the guides. yeah. and of course, is absolutely fine, but you know, until likely appointments. but clearly through the way the united states system works, they have to be confirmed by congressional appointment. and so they don't have to

be confirmed that can be denied conservation. and if there was a serious republican party or not the people like uh, bill cassidy from louisiana, who's a physician and obviously forgot what the hippocratic code is all about and voted for r f. kennedy junior, whose own family does own them. so. so you basically say the united states is rotten to the core, or no, i'm saying the trump ministration is rotten to the cord. i know because i smell. yeah, but it has to be confirmed by congress. and it's clearly a democratic mandate, the trump and the both houses of congress, the have you on tuesday, guy, but you started off your desired language. you wed part is why don't you add the supreme court to that list of what trump controls? i know, even though i paging is this little picture, i have popular majority, but i have 3 people. he appointed the supreme court. yeah, he seemed to be painting a very dismal in the very business situation. and it has global

implications because a recommendation is a good example. yeah, i want to get all drugs are in a 2nd, but just you made an allegation about to us a guy with a new national director of national intelligence to say to you, i have gone you lighter. yeah. also, gavin, you said she shouldn't have gone to syria. why should she not have gone to syria? i didn't say she shouldn't have gone to syria. so well what i said, i see you. you don't listen. you talk so much that you don't hear what's being said to you as she lied about what happened in syria. she defended a side after her visit to syria. if she didn't acknowledge that she met with a terrorist while she was in a syria, that's my problem. i. i'm in favor of person to person diplomacy. i'm in favor of talking to putting, i'm in tech favor of talking to jason pain. the conversations with potent, which trump started left to this trade off of the hostage that allowed the release of mark fogel, who shouldn't ever been jailed in the 1st place. but you do that by,

by choppy. this is something that motion she denies. i live as an eisenhower understood and i think it was wrong or binding to cut off all contacts with food and was z essentially. uh, because of ukraine or because of the director taiwan. we still have to keep talking . we have larger interest with the russians in china, so then you craned us, but she always, it was a guy with denies a in any way that she lied about it. and that i every day and things that she wants to. but she's now the director of national intelligence. so you know, she's, she's going to be able to get a good option for lying. and oh, no, i think i saw that aspect on guys. do you don't think it's refreshing from trump that we finally uh, on mosque? would us policy arguably be into the palestinians for decades? bible and blinking were responsible for genocide, the names of synonymous with genocide across the global south. oh, within a few hours your i'm sure is, is more in the is really camp and by and never could be. absolutely. i mean,

i don't think that can be criticize that opinion, but he stopped the for a while. the aerial bombardment of gods is something that bite him and harris was who stopped the aerial bombardment of kaiser. donald trump. for the cease fire a deal see suffix who is the range because nothing yahoo was not left with any targets. sorry. what are they bombing? they're, they're meant they're making, does uninhabitable, and there was none of the aerial but bob and stopped when i trump as why let me finish where i'm say. and that's why nothing. now who's smart gate and the whole time that trump unveil this man. this idea that we're going to take guy, so we're going to kick all the palestinians out. and jordan and egypt are going to take that man as just the king of jordan. we'd be in a position to take in hundreds of thousands of palestinians. i don't think trump knows anything about gaza,

he knows nothing about that naco knows nothing about palestinian displacement. going back to 1948 and not the entire world except for right wing jews. it is real, are highly supportive of what he is doing. i don't the anyone can, i'll give again take what you said there, but it's a matter of charity. i don't think it was too much. yeah. but he was the pallets. okay. yeah. most of the, the dollars. do you know who your point it is and pass it or israel like fuck me. but i think anyone, what i didn't know was completely wayne glenn. let's stop what's uh, i've tried to gauge how much you really understand this hot the ever use the term palestinians. does he acknowledge the term to austin a know we have to bass? do we have donald trump's deputy assistant on this program? we were watching a robo, he, he, he actually said to me on camera saying there's no such thing as a balanced in it, but i didn't go, well, no one can disagree with you about that. and when the influence of christian zionism and zion is, i'm on the trump administration. the fact is that the mask is off. we know what the plan is, am now he's talking about, of course,

the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the united, the world. arguably in the kind of reinvigoration of the 2 state solution, you don't see anything to be got out of the obviously which one is on the surface of something approaching, approaching nazi policy against the jews. i mean, if you're taking what trump is saying at face value, yes, of course it's appalling, but it's having effects that are not the effects that to those supporting it might, we shouldn't have any effects that you see that are so good egypt clearly, uh, now rejecting a meeting at the white house that was easy. jordan, not accepting the displacement about his stuff. the other student is the answer. 100 down the median. they just delayed it the you a inside the array via boat, completely against the ethnic cleansing van. as is the whole everyone everyone's against it. anyone who has any humanitarian sense it is against it. it's racism. it's part of the, to me,

the genocidal campaign that's in your husband waging since october the south. so you would prefer the cloak on, under a person like blinking. uh, rather than the oh you, you make you make these foss comparisons? i, i've never supported blake and the secretary of state. that's never been my position tuesday 5, maybe tell me what the silver lining you can say that i'm going to finish what i started say. and if you want to keep talking while i'm talking, that's fine by me. but no one's been understand what either one of us to say by the through in the tao with israel when he went there in october the 15 and basically gave israel carte blanche. so you had our of american communities in place like michigan, the state of michigan, the city of deer board who voted for a truck not realizing that trump will be worse for the palestinians, then buy it and could ever be. because bind is at least a decent person. trump is incredibly on coast and supports the

worst, and this is rarely policy. and this idea that i'm going to just take over, i'm going to take us, i'm not going to pay for nobody, no us soldiers involved. which means is these really defense forces which have been conducting a year and a half of genocidal campaign will be in a position to do the what do they want and garza? and while he's distracting us with that, the is rarely is, are playing ethnic cleansing operations in the west bank. so nothing could be worse for the home community and the palestinian community. then the trump's real estate deal, and you'll have to keep in mind that this was a real estate deal for the beginning. if you look at trump real estate, billionaire, if you look at his son is sunday law parishioner real estate bill you there. if you look at the last is really bassinger to israel under the 1st term. david friedman, real estate. i know you there. if you look at the special ed and boy, what cost?

real estate billionaire, that's a this to it's a trump is a transactional, real estate deal has nothing to do with the diplomacy, which he doesn't understand. we know that from the 1st term, the way he handled in john hone in the way he dealt with the body. but he does think he knows real estate. so that's what we're say. he didn't discuss the plan with his own advisors. mike wants the national security adviser who was in over his head, knew nothing about it, the secretary of state. rubio knew nothing about it. uh, the intelligence community wasn't breached on what, what, what involved and what the consequences, what day it was a seat of the pants idea, and he's a seat of the pants. egomaniac, whose narcissism is going to create problems, not only for the united states, but for the entire global community. and i'm sure a potent education thing couldn't be happier, that they're gonna see of diminished america as a result of this administration for suffering to sit there and quibble about what

our obama administration did, or what a samantha powers did. oh, your lack of knowledge about a id is meaningless and a big deal with what's happening in the global community today. so can i just say a lot of people agree? a lot of people watching the great you have had a supervisor quite a say here, a lot of people will be agreeing with a lot of what you've been saying. they won't agree with using biden's is essentially decent. and if you're talking about that in get one of the other ways, which is the capital to country libya being destroyed compared to what trump is done and saying that trump should i use the same dialogue is important at the same time criticizing trump for me to give jonathan and somebody saying that the ukraine war under biting was better than the trump uh, put in relations uh before, before vitamins elected, who is michael domino, you you, you liked this guy assistance that could be a defense for the middle east blog. i don't know him, but i've read him and it was

a puzzling appointment because he seems rather rational to be a he wants a lower us presence less us visibility in the middle east. he's willing to reduce the us military presence around the world, which involves nearly $700.00 bases and operating sites and cut the sale of these russia has 2 bases in syria. china has one base on the owner of africa, inability. so he seems to make sense to me. i don't know how he slipped through. uh, the guardians of donald trump and made it into the pentagon. but as long as someone like hex it is the secretary defense, i don't expect anything good to come out of the 10 i got anyway. clearly the most important to issue even about the usa ideas. where as i get said, is the resumption of scott nuclear disarmament treaties. there is no more important issue facing any of us. i have nothing happens. the arms control expert in the

trump administration. i'm just about to ask you. nothing obviously happened on the bible. harris jet aside, joe hall across stairs. nothing happened under obama. nothing happened to these people, really, the big rush. i hope you're wrong about obama. you don't know your facts about obama destroyed libya. obviously they don't destroy libby advocacy of yours. you're obsessed with libya. but i think you also said that there's no argument about that anyway, just tell me what you think there are prospect of reviving. i mean, as far as i understand that there will be a trump, who's in meeting, do you think that there will be any progress on strategic alms limitation that affect every human being on this planet? as well as a drop is as opposed to reliance on nuclear weaponry, but i don't think he has the slash the patients uh to work out or no arms control position. i was at the salt talk,

i was the intelligence advisor to sophomore, and i was in vienna and 71 and 72. and your audience should understand how much work is involved and getting to an arch control agreement. the truck isn't prepared to do that kind of work. he has no arms control advisor. he has no arms control staff. it's not like the obama administration that renegotiate base. the new started agreement to correct what you were saying about, or bob at arms control, which unfortunately expires in january or february of next year. which worrisome is now china is building up to a position that could equal the united states and russia in terms of nuclear inventory. nuclear weapons have no utilitarian value whatsoever. the fact that these 3 nuclear powers, modernizing is we, are, are expanding the way the china is or threatening to put nuclear weapons in space. the way i phone is, is why the bulging of atomic scientists as move there tuesday, clock closer to midnight. this is a very serious issue,

just like climate control was a serious issue. prevent available good by out of time. thank you so much for visible. the good news that type of the show will be back with a brand new episode on saturday, and you'll then keep it just by the social media of it's authentic deal country that drive channel going undergrads. you be on level, they'll come towards new and old episodes of going undergrads. he's having the same i just don't have to shape house because of the application and engagement equals the trail.

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