the, the, the, comes to headlines throwing off the international is history in the making with piece on the table in saudi arabia. talk different amounts from russia and the united states. so set to meet, to normalize relations and find the resolution to the ongoing ukraine conflict. the key of is bitterly understanding that the men's provisions are unattainable, and that the new conditions for ending the hostilities and ukraine will be far worse for them. yeah, it's a dose of reality at the united nations, a lot of mazda lensky and 5th note discussions. first, that one can happen without kids, the tools will go on and he's apparently not even on the guest list. you're looking for a spot on the sidelines, e, you politicians, hold emotions, a tolten powers, but no kind of action is developed. and all that as hungry lambs them for trying to

print long. so we're seeing a gathering a pro war, anti trump frustrated european leaders who wants to stop in agreement from happening on peace and ukraine. the whole look at the program here, winowski international. uh, there are many remaining of domestic the history books might make a note of today. tuesday, february, the 18 is big. things are happening in the world and we've got you covered right here on the international talk story for you right now. i'm going straight to saudi arabia we go with the world is watching as pop, american and russian officials are gearing up to sort out the peace settlement for the ukraine conflicts over now. as far as senior political correspondent. anyway, this was nearly impossible to imagine just a short while ago, but today in the capital of saudi arabia, russian and us of delegations are meeting for the 1st time in many years last night . rush us for ministers lane, a lot of that here in error, right?

yeah, i have lot of your pollutants envoy, your truck off was also on it, and they're going to be meeting with the us delegation headed by us next year of state, marco rubio. obviously a lot is on the agenda. the conflict in ukraine, of course, but both sides said that they're also going to be focusing on normalizing relations in general. and preparing for the meeting between president vladimir putin and donald trump. last night and judy will shut off, said that's who they are ready to work. gotcha. that's what i, what is your mood, like in the run up to the negotiation? like well, what would be the ideal outcome that's more with it. and we'll see that the main thing is to normalize relations between moscow in washington after the talks, and do you think there was a chance that tensions will subside? but it's almost like uh that, but i couldn't wait. let us wait until tomorrow. there were serious people here. we also came with a serious approach for the stuff. now another thing that was kind of hard to imagine just recently,

but healing musk appraised to be upcoming meeting writing in his ex account will be closely monitoring the events unfolding here in saudi arabia. and of course, we'll be bringing you all the latest details as we get them. well, the ukrainian calls that is not the only topic on the agenda of the western sanctions have, has put in said boomerang american companies. they've lost hundreds of billions of dollars that they pack stuff that businesses and bailed russia. so paving the way for the red tony is one of the goals and the told between washington and moscow. and that's according to the c e o of the russian direct investment fund, who we had an exclusive chance to speak with a little bit. so we're just going to go to some of today's negotiations with the american delegation. are extremely important and the whole world is watching whether the united states and russia will be able to improve their relations as better relations would allow us to address a significant number of global challenges and the problems currently facing the world. we see the economic cooperation is also important and i will be in charge of

the economic aspect of the discussion for the 1st time. we are now saying that american businesses have lost more than $300000000000.00 by leaving the russian market. therefore, finding joint economic pathways and positive solutions to issues is extremely important, primarily for the us and for many other countries that are starting to understand that the russian market is highly attractive and this, it is necessary to be present there. because we hope for a positive discussion, a positive dialogue, and we certainly see that president trump is very actively addressing a large number of problems in the world that we hope that rushes position will be clearly heard and the dialogue will continue. now one of his, as he is making his rounds in the region of the u, a. e. he's now in turkey, a for towards ended working out the details of an upcoming a prisoner exchange. so, well, the guy who lives, i guess of the world really on the saudi capital at this moment. so lensky, i guess he's trying to remain relevant on the sidelines. he says that without p

ever these talks, well, they mean nothing. so the ukraine will not take part. ukraine knew nothing about this. and ukraine regards any negotiations about ukraine without you frame as having no results. we cannot recognize any things or agreements about us that took place without us. while the whole free money trained from washington to keep house, essentially now ground to a hold, according to various reports with us has told you, crane is now time to pay up the bill. is it numerous? washington to report to the wants, key of the conversation with 500000000000 for prior assistance. that's even bigger than germany's wells. will one reparations on request, ukraine's railroad minerals various infrastructure, oil and gas resources. and yet, as the tide tonnes rushes on, pass it up to the un. no, says any possible agreement with must go now will be much worse for kids. and it had been in the past,

a visit with some looking p. f is bitterly understanding that the mental provisions are unattainable and that the new conditions for ending the hostilities and ukraine will be far worse for them. certainly, we didn't. we all see the developments after the entry into office of the republican us administration. as we have called for over many months, diplomacy has finally been actively brought into the game with the e. u. countries in the united kingdom are absolutely on faithful to their word. some of both, they cannot be a party to any future agreement on the resolution to the ukrainian crisis whatsoever. present a european politicians are incapable of strategic thought or to lose you. the divides within europe don't conceal the fact that in the event of a ceasefire, they intend to re on ukraine and to prepare it for the resumption of warfare. ukraine today has irrevocably lost, not just crime media, but also the net scan lugens people's republics. and the carson ends up rogia regions of the self proclaimed ukrainian presidents. a lensky loss legitimacy last

may be direct the country into a conflict for the advancement of others geopolitical interest at the cost of the lives of hundreds of thousands of ukrainians of a human. so i'm looking at bit like a deer stuck in the headlights leaders gathering and powers for an emergency meeting to figure out how to react to america, kicking them out of discussions to resolve the ukraine conflict and everything. no surprise came who 9 without any results. so london scrambled on, but it's now according to. busy british forces to be deployed to ukraine, but now was part of a potential p, steel. europe must play its role and per pet consider committing british forces on the ground. alongside off is if there is a last thing piece agreement. but the must be a us bucks stop because a us security guards. it is the only way to effectively to, to russia from attack can you create a good a, a lot, lot cost $1.00,

the $75.00 right now. the empowers this morning. a good one and again, charlotte, you know, test on the right there. i mean, well, he's the guy who recently say we're going to support your credit for the next 100 years. we're going to give them money and weapons and oh, no, hold on a sec. we bought it to a piece deal. now. bring me up to speed please. yeah, that's why it said the u. k. positive meeting. use the european allies in paris to discuss what they can do to bring about peace in ukraine. but of course, we know that they know the ones being invited to, to the meeting that's taking place between russia and the us in saudi arabia later today. and that is the meeting that counts. the what we did see in paris is essentially that the lead is if you're up in the u. k. also, with each other account come to any consensus of what to do, particularly now they've been left out frozen colds of those tools, taking place elsewhere. too many cooks for liberals. that's what the us special

envoy keys, kellogg said, and that is exactly true, because normally we would see the $27.00. you were in need. this coming together. that was the case. this was just a handful of your pain need. is the ones that they clearly think of the ones that matter alone with the u. k. trying to find a way forward. i know they couldn't. what we did see there was some very full case id is coming out from some of the leaders who were at that meeting president blackwell and who is for a very long time cold for your panel. i mean, once again, calling for more money to be spent on the defense. and that's what we also heard. first of the phone delay and your pain commission president, who is a former defense minister from germany. those both saying that the only way to peace could be achieved is through strengths and that should be increasing the amount of money, the european nations off spending on that kind of defense weaponry and

infrastructure that it has so massively underfunded for decades. now that's of course, musics to the use of many defense contract is in creating germany's largest defense contract as it said, look, basically that under spending that you've done for decades since the end of the 2nd world war is the reason it is not at the big table with the us and russia today. if you don't invest, if you're not strong, they handle you like kids. if parents have dinner, the kids have to sit at another table. the us is negotiating with russia and no european is at the table. it has become very clear that the europeans, all the kids well, the polish farm and it's still also saying that it is politically that at some point the us is going to demand. european countries sends troops to ukraine to be

forming cost of some sort of potential peacekeeping mission. and they said, well, look, little faster, we as to that, we've also been hearing from the may 2, chief, this is my cruise to the form of time that is from the netherlands, who was a hit, the munich security council. look, you new to european allies don't besides that you know to the table come up with new i did is. however, he says that while you are is willing to step up, he didn't seem to have any details about what you could do in regards to that. then we have to complete flip side here in paris. this is the gentleman chancellor. oh, look, schultz who essentially stormed out to that meeting with his counterpart saying, no, this is not right. we're not going to just send troops to ukraine. this is fairly screwed on. it is completely premature. i'm completely the wrong time to

have this discussion now and vinnish. i'm even a little irritated by these debates. just have to say, people are talking here about possible variance of outcomes over the heads of ukraine is just about the outcome of peace tools that have not taken place with which ukraine has not said yes, because that is not set at the table. this is highly inappropriate to put it bluntly and honestly, we don't even know what the outcome was. the be of this and gotten his trust. the 2nd assign dropped. however they were, you are paying countries not invited to that. select few of those who were here in paris, but those who think cooling for a very long time for an end to this conflict full that to be negotiations fruitful negotiations with russia. and that of course, includes hungry evict, open himself, but went to most go in the last year, trying to find ways to speak to the, the russian president because he felt that was the only way to resolve this conflict. and now we have hungry is foreign minister saying exactly the same and we

want peace and it's back to, to not complain. we know that the table in paris, we know that the table in read. but basically what we need to do now is find a way to make peace and not to risk a big a conflict. and there are those gathering and parents who have been constantly pouring oil into the fire in the last 3 years. then it followed a failed strategy in the past 3 decades. the 40 countries that have continuously posed a threat, escalating the war with their policies today in paris, or we're seeing a gathering of pro war little anti trump frustrated european leaders who wants to stop and agreement from happening on peace and ukraine management contract that we're supporting donald trump's efforts and the us russia talks year 14, a well thought me thing in paris was just a side line. and so i going to what we don't know because there was an agreement made and it seems that you are paying leaders are flailing right. and almost like

headless chickens after the announcements that we've been saying coming out from the white tests. and you can imagine loosely, this will be, has left paris. i'm wondering what is going to be the outcome of the tools as the big 4 tables. and that's taking place later today in re at is exactly what we have our correspondence dining by for all the details as well shot to duplicate, live in power. thank you. hope it out it. we did speak with john with an old daniel as autumn. he started the possible reproach mon between moscow and washington will be of little joy. keith, of the war is wanting to close. although we have no idea what lies ahead of the us. uh, it looks a deal with russia. uh, there's literally you can do the v. you can't carry this war forward on his own. and uh, and zalinski is highly dependent on us support. so if there is a us russian deal, but that's kind of the end of the game. but have wherever i think that that,

that zalinski is uh, hold on power is very weak. uh, there will be uh, uproar in the nationalist camp and we have no idea what the weird know we are the cleaners going uh what the future holds, what just going to happen to the government. there is a peace deal has reached. so let's have this conversation further now with a panel of guest generously joining us here, bright and early this morning. here and i'll let you international gentleman's. thank you so much. we have to wrong university professor sighed mahogany motor on the, on the far left screen, the legendary commentator, great to get you on the program. in fact, these are also all to contribute to college are on india is a full man, boston to morocco and crew. a to probably with dial gentlemen, it is a real on, i'm curious to get ahold of you together on this program for a day that i'm up to mistake the history books might make a note of with old eyes on re add. carl, i'm going to start with you. there are plenty of hurdles to overcome with these

towards how difficult you think this is going to be at the end of the day to try and find some sort of end to this conflict as well. i don't think it will be difficult at all. i mean, let's face a factor brush. so one, trump is ready to wash his hands off the whole to him. ukraine conflicts, like he said, he would do it, didn't, you know he actually deliver on his campaign promise. so all that's left to do is to wrap up the details. this is why all the european leaders are feeling, etc, because they felt they've been pushed to the little kids table and was not involved us admin, it's cur, us and ministration is very on point about wanting to wrap this conflict. so we're all just talking about how is going to want don? yeah, good point that profess mirandi over to you because of officials and brussels, they haven't even been invited to the salary towards, but they've held an emergency luncheon and power as i'm sure there was lots of caviar and champagne all smiles. but they all that pretty panic behind that. to be frank russell's right now, it looks like it's been getting given

a dose of reality from washington. what, what do you think is going to be brussels role professor in this? they don't have much choice. do they may, were a part of this war, they enable the war, they try to help bite and remain in power. they are part of the team biting. they really can't expect anything else. but i think what is most important is that this, the feet for the united states as your previous gas, rightly pointed out, is a result of the never ending warms in the finest on any rock that dirty war, syria and libya and elsewhere costs. so across the world, it doesn't leak in the united states, it is a we can do it as we can europe severely, especially the one ukraine. and this is simply unsustainable. the united states is retreating because it has no option, but the europeans are to fully still understand that the,

the only way forward is to end the war. yeah, yeah. you know, that's a kind of comment to you, right? that you'll never hear of the mainstream media. i appreciate that professor, a bravo over to you. if i may european leaders, i mean, they seem pretty angry about all of this that the whole central piece stokes, not between the united states and russia. but the fact is we're talking about a possible end to a conflict. the end of the end of death and you really think these european leaders want this to continue as well. i see that regardless of what the, your bn lee does want to go get you over to, in saudi arabia today. mark up the step by the some that business breaks in the us policy on. i totally can go back to the store, i think would be the weird for a meeting between us president donald trump, russian president vladimir now they also make the. ringback deals brand new,

this is the, the highest when it comes. residents drop down and trumps edwards, in the water and you create the indian province does say that the solution for the conflict can not be found on the bachelor feed and that dialogue. and diplomacy is the only way to bring peace. i'm. i've mentioned the last week of the wide ranging gulf with bridget drop in the white house of washington. mister movie said that india had not been new to the war. that isn't on the side of peace. mr. valdez representatives, there is nothing at all to him, but both president and president zelinski. right. and is influenced by this solutions. get on the back. therefore, i repeat what i said, the prime minister i supported president dumps edward finally the possible solution to the end of the problem. thank you very much. call the gulf view again,

because obviously we have the munich security conference. so just this past week in germany, you saw europe, and lead is what i mean, not the chairman of the security comments. he broke down crying out the podium. i don't know if you saw that, but the, you know, the chairman officer blubbering, but he got a hug at the end of it, he was feeling better by that point. let me ask you call if i can. so let's get spoke about his delegation being the chinese team in munich, just for a moment guys have a listen to this, please. as far as those days of the law, the meeting was with one. the meeting was important. he also met with the head of my office, andre your mind. it is important for us to talk and involve china to help put pressure on food into end the war. i think this is the 1st time china has shown interest. i think that this is largely due to the fact that all processes are speeding up. now, we cannot be against when countries, especially countries of the global south, are interested in helping ukraine and pressing russia to end the war. that is why i believe this is an important meeting and it could lead to

a continuation of the dialogue at another level. you regarding china, we've always said that we are ready to have the presence of serious players. but at the negotiating table, at this moment, there will be those who are ready to take on the responsibility as guarantors of security, with both assistance and stopping pool, as well as investing in the reconstruction of ukraine. and if this was a call, i'm trying to get my head around, please help me if you can, because of the sentence he's saying it's the 1st time. but china has shown an interest in helping to resolve the conflict. but if i remember they, they propose their own piece brand back in 2023. so lensky for guessing or is brain riddled with swiss cheese when too much contain these days. karl, i was the let skis grasping at straws right now because he has been abandoned by his main sponsor, the united states. now ukraine's act seem like a jolted site check. the but it's china has always said it's for peace and they have proof set the peace proposal that russian president vladimir put and also said

would be interested enough where china could play a constructive role is in the pulse work construction. you know, ukraine is completely wrecked and there's not gonna be any money coming from. so trump administration to account bill ukraine. trump already sets you train, you to pay off in terms of minerals for all the us a you have received in the past, where it's china is always interested to build the infrastructure in places like you crates that will allow china to come next further to europe. through the duration language as part of china is valid and wrote initiative. so in that way, there's something you can can look forward to, to the post war piece process. right? called what, what about progressive mironda? again, i want to ask you, if i may just very quickly, do you think the saudi arabia is the right host for these piece talks? it really doesn't matter. the sodium, maybe i think it is, has been made the host because trump probably wants to milk the country again as

before, whether he can do so or not. that remains to be seen because the way to the united states, the power of the united states as must much diminished some parents a years ago. and that goes back to the never ending wars and especially the war in ukraine, which i'm sure the cost as well over $1020.00 trillion dollars. the indirect costs, i mean the, the, the weapons that were sent to it, just a fraction of the damage. remember in half furnace on they said trillion to our wasted in iraq trillions were wasted. so you can imagine what has happened in your credit. the united states, the west in general, they've been severely weakened and so i don't know if they can milk as well as before. but i think the most important point for the europeans to take away is that they have to reassess their, their position in the world. instead of leading to the united states, they have to rethink their policy towards the global south, towards china,

towards the run towards russia, and to learn a lot. the less than that the united states is not going to stick with them through thick and thin. 5, profess up travel over to you because our quotes are suggesting now that washington is demanded boss of some, it's from ukraine and quite a bit of control over the countries. natural resources and we understand they all was truly and do you think the american demands are justified and do you think t f will, will go for this? well, you know, diplomacy is the author of the boston as i had you agree with it has to see what concessions it has to make if it must read of the solution. no, no, no, no doubt that because the reconstruction is going to be mess it was completed for these costs. so you know, the natural resources of you agree it's meant or result is,

can be utilized for generating the finances, which ended rebuilding of ukraine. there is nothing wrong with that because the people of ukraine, what's done, the benefits if their results are utilized for the notice, make sure that it's just perhaps a little premature to say that the united states is leaving your green. i'll come to discuss it because what the us side has exercised is that why are you crazy and delegation will not be getting bogged as adults to date yet it's in class would be taken into account. so let's go to the so we the positive approach and let's just try and build a few just which is good for everybody. this is going to give us a fair and balanced come into a problem. i appreciate the call. i go to come back to you because that let's bring up china in the global south here to lensky said during the meeting security

conference last night. last week in germany. he was saying that he wouldn't mind if the global south put pressure on russia to bring this conflict to an end. and yet i've never heard a single voice, i think, from anywhere in the global south actually attempting to put pressure on russia. your thoughts spot is the obstacle to p, as has never been on the russian side. it was the lensky that rejected the peace proposal back in march 2022. at this work, it ended 2 years ago. it wasn't full boris jonathan who interrupted the peace process by um, you know, its counting ukraine that the europe and us will well, dr. back, this is why this conflict continue for, for these many years. and now that he was backing out is coming to and sold the obstacle was never russia or, or any that the global salisbury,

especially the members of the brakes that have a generously expressed interest of bulk or a peace between russia and ukraine to bring the conflict to and, and this is happening right now. i mean, i think this is a win for the words for the brakes. yeah. it's a win for the brakes. i mean, i think you're not alone without send somebody. but what about, what about the spin we're expecting a progressive morality back to you. these piece talks, you know, taken off in riyadh saudi arabia this morning, and how do you think the western mainstream and legacy media will address what happens and re add today? well, it depends on to which media we're talking about in general. uh, the criticism of the mainstream media directed towards from will continue. and they will push for more support for ukraine and speak about how evil russia is. of course we're all and you've only run is equal to china is evil

rushes that you will. there's a consensus there. but i think ultimately what the, the rest of the media will have to reflect upon in future is that the fact that this is a major sign that the world has changed. again, as i said before, me, this i think is a victory for brakes. but more than just the brakes, it's a victory for the global south. the hedge him on the empire has been defeated. it was defeated in iraq. there was defeated an economists on, but here was the height of the battle of the empire. and the empire isn't retreat. i believe this is talked about iceland in canada and panama is to hide that retreat to show it to show it as a sign of string. whereas it read out to you. this is not something they can type in the united states and new york in separately really have to rethink their role in the world because these endless wars have brought them to this place. it is not

a good place for them to be in. and i think it's going to take many decades for them to recover. uh, interesting comment that professor, bravo, i want to give you the closing question. hey, if i may, it's already been said by the russian side, but when they get together with the foot tools, they will be no discussion about raton and eastern regions to ukraine are basically saying it's a non stop to. so what should russia do? or put on of uh, probably a base piece towards a little friday. i little one to there. the restroom got one more picture book on the neighbor, but i feel that all the bodies should dry. and would you please the right? yeah. and the related to all those who are not directly wor, such as the your, your be a need for pickup, we got, or they have been hotline, the, in the view,

that restaurant must redone all the east, the provinces of your greenwich, i'll divide by that restaurant must remain every day to read the right bill that the restaurant is to stop objecting. do you agree? joining the need to do your must realize that they are not the center of the unit was they must realize that their mobile and does not necessarily shared by the rest of the work. so they do a negotiator to work out the best possible solution. and i think that they would be well advised to remember that the word does not mean in the amount of the they see that the low, the rest of the countries have little of both as far as when it gets. and so we want this walk, i'm doing it a good set of said re the negotiate the paper and we say, and they said worked out where the given date should.