the see was much lower and you have the appropriate headlines. your analogy international line from last scope history may be in the making right now with piece on the table in saudi arabia. discussions are in the idea of between russian and american officials to normalize relations and find a resolution for the ukraine. con p. m is bitterly understanding that the men's provisions are unattainable, and that the new conditions for ending the hostilities and ukraine will be far worse for them to if those of reality, the united nations excited mister lensky insists. no discussions 1st settlement can happen without key of the totes will go on, and he's apparently not even on the guest or of looks for a spot on the sidelines. you politicians hold emotions colton powers,

but no sign of action is developed. that happens as the hon gary and foreign minister lambs them for trying to prolong the world. we're seeing a gathering of anti trump frustrated european leaders. we want to stop in agreement from happening on piece and you crate the real life and worldwide, ford must go with just after noon here in the russian capital. we have so much to tell you about we do appreciate your company. it is a breaking news or we're not to you. it's a natural and we are sticking with saudi arabia, where negotiations have kicked off between russian and american delegation. fail looking to pay the way for peace with the ukraine consulate. well, let's get more details in our senior political correspondent, go to pittsburgh off. now joining me live from within one of the saudi policies. you are very close. you had gotten to the conference room where the delegations have now sat down to begin this process. what can you bring us up to speed on?

and unfortunately, i can't hear you right now. i think we have a problem with the connection. but if i may, i will describe what's happening here right now. we are currently in this improvise waiting area inside of the same palace as you've just said, rotary, where the negotiations are still continuing. i think they're actually happening right above us right there. on the next floor, we were allowed to get in that room for just a few moments and we saw rushes 40 minutes to elaborate of a residential envoy. you will truck off on one side of the table and the us delegation headed by us secretary of state, marco rubio, on the other side of it. you do have quite a lot to talk about. it's been a long time since delegations of such high profile between the 2 countries and met

the relationship many thought was already on the brink of collapse. and now this is definitely a positive sign that they are talking to each other. i believe that to these negotiations have already been going on for around one and a half hours, which is quite substantial. but given the current context, maybe it's not that much given so many issues in the relations between russia and the united states. of course, the conflict in ukraine is one of them, but both sides have been stressing that they are also going to be focusing on normalizing relations between the 2 countries. and of course also preparing for the meeting between the presidents, between environment poodle and donald trump. we don't know exactly when that's going to happen. we don't exactly know if it's going to take place here in saudi

arabia. but surely we will find out soon because the 2 leaders did agree to meet during that phone conversation, which happens a less than a week ago, rory, it's astonishing the pace with which events are unfolding and less than a week ago. they, they, they talked and now we're already here in saudi arabia and the delegations are already talking to each other. so i did go to pick them up as our senior political correspondent that live and we're yet thank you. well, of the, your credit, your call, it is not the only topic on the agenda as you go to was hoping to explain is the western sanctions have predicted be, boom. it rang american companies have lost hundreds of billions of dollars that they well packed out that businesses and left russia. so paving the way for their retard is one of the goals and adults between washington and moscow. and that's by the way, according to the c, e. o of the russian direct investment fund. there's also a member of the russian delegation right now in re this is very

important to discuss the joint economic projects. we will discuss joint projects for their assumption of dialogue in general and will certainly move along the political track, which is headed by mr. lever off and mr. cove, respectively. and in the economic track, i have been assigned to leave and i believe that we will reach a mutual understanding. and this mutual understanding will be reflected in joint projects. for example, we know that a number of us oil companies want to return. therefore, it is necessary to establish a dialogue in areas not only political, but also in investments in economics. on the one hand, we have some losses. and then the other hand, our economy is growing by 4 percent per year, and the european economy is either not growing or best is growing at one percent. therefore, many of our colleagues believe the sanctions on the contrary actually contributed to our economic growth. they contributed to our independence in our sovereignty. it is absolutely obvious that president biden's policy has undermined confidence in

the dollar and is actually created many threats to the american economy. divided ministration has created a very wrong narrative. in fact, the sanctions helped russia become more independent, but they heard the dollar and heard american companies. many american companies have simply lost significant future revenues and lost their market positions. they understand that chinese companies are replacing these positions of american companies. therefore, is very important to note that the by the administration gave a lot of this information, a lot of wrong messages. our dialogue allows us to tell the truth, the russian economy is developing well. and we also need joint projects, including, for example, in the arctic and then other countries is precisely the joint projects that will allow us to be more successful. the policy of containing russia of limited and russia has obviously failed. and this too must be honestly admitted. i believe that

there will probably be progress not in the long term, but in the next 2 to 3 months. the atmosphere in the beginning of the dialogue were set by a positive call from president putin and president trump and this atmosphere to hear each other's concerns. to understand each other, the by the administration did not try to understand russia's concern. it had its own ideological dogmas and positions. and what we're seeing so far is still very early, and the american side is ready to listen to russia's position, ready to understand russia's position. and that's where the dialogue begin. let's not whole this as a landscape is basically making his rounds in the region off of the u, a. e. he's now and talked to you if it's old, saying that working out the deals of an upcoming person or exchange. and so while it's a lie is on the saudi capital right now. so then he is frankly trying to remain relevant on the sidelines. he does say, however, without care about the table, the folks basically are illegitimate. ukraine will not take part.

ukraine knew nothing about this. and ukraine regards any negotiations about ukraine without you frame as having no results. we cannot recognize any things or agreements about us that took place without us. well, the free money train from washington to key is essentially ground to a halt. and according to reports, the us has told you credit, and it's now time to pay up. and the bill is shoot. washington repeatedly wants key of to compensate it with $500000000000.00 or prior systems that number, by the way, bigger than germany's wells will one reparations on request surprised surprises, ukraine's rarer minerals, various infrastructure, oil and gas resources. and yet, as the tide tons, rushers, i'm about to go to the un says any possible, the agreement with moscow now will be, was for kids. and it was in the past, this is why it's a 1000000 p f is literally understanding that the immensity,

provisions are unattainable and that the new conditions for ending the hostilities and ukraine will be far worse for them. certainly we do. we all see the developments after the entry into office of the republican us administration. as we have called for over many months, diplomacy has finally been actively brought into the game regarding e. u. countries in the united kingdom are absolutely on faithful to their words. some of those they can not be a party to any future agreement on the resolution to the ukrainian crisis whatsoever. present a european politicians are incapable of strategic thought or to lose you. the divides within europe don't conceal the fact that in the event of a cease fire who they intend to re on ukraine and to prepare it for the resumption of warfare. and if you crane today has irrevocably long as you're not just crime media, but also the do net scan. lou gone to the people's republic, and the carson ends up rogia regions of the self proclaimed ukrainian presidents, a lensky loss legitimacy. last may. if you drag the country into a conflict for the advancement of others,

geo political interest that the cost of the lives of, of hundreds of thousands of ukrainians. while it is on top breaking news story here, we're not asking international. i will research a, with all to contribute a tom or read. now joining us here live and the studio is all lies, remain fixed on re add tara exciting times to potentially are a point us it, as a lot of sense of optimism, i think perhaps cautious optimism. but as we understand these, these talks happening are we had right now that they're essentially tara, they're going to pay the way, hopefully for trump and put in to sit down together. but when it comes down to today, today's meeting, your expectations, well, you know, you bring up a good point. there eventually will be a meeting between president trump and president, pretend. so this is incremental, and it's been described as the talks before the actual negotiations. i think it's a check in a lot of trusts was broken during the, by the regime, of course, between washington and russia. so this is a rebuilding of that trust even have these talks now. so when skis been pounding

his chest because he wasn't invited, but frankly, it would have been useless to invite him because there's a couple of things with that. so when skis, the illegitimate president reprint. so when you're talking about wanting a lasting peace and legal documents being signed, how can an illegitimate president verify that? so, because the us was the primary funder of this war, it was a proxy war against russia road, basically via ukraine, right? and left space that it was a money laundering operation for the buying machine. okay. yeah. and um, you know, the 34000000000 flowed back and revenues to the kick back divide, but yeah, take back to me an extreme. now let's not just quickly the story and drop it all. i've seen unconfirmed numbers unconfirmed, but it shows these american senators who are certainly worth tens of millions of dollars more than what they were 2 years ago. you go to one of the kickbacks they've been coming back as you say, you're crying for, for, for so much of a has been a money laundering operation for the american. a lead, inside the beltway. there's also been sex trafficking. as we understand the reports

of organ traffic issues as well, we just, we know more about these american bio western labs in ukraine. i mean, you know, no, we're bringing you freedom in democracy, but here's some bioweapon laps. we're going to build on your territory. i mean, it's just insane, but when it comes to today, as you said, i think you're absolutely right. there's an incremental procedure with watching it here to eventually get to trump and put in sitting down together. but when it comes to concessions on both sides of love to know what russia is expected to give to the west and the side because you know, no stream is being sabotaged. 350000000000 euros of russian money on the foreign exchange is stolen. as most functional country in the world, we've been knocked off the swift. they're hardly any direct flights out of most go to any countries, the roubles being pummeled. what is russia supposed to give the concession table? exactly, and, and, you know, despite all of that challenge, rushes still groaned its economy as the 4th largest in the world. and the root full actually is still holding on strong. so i think what you're talking about is you're

bringing up some valid points, but russia doesn't know russia needs trusts to trust the west again. and in order to do that, there needs to be some concessions by the us. end of the biggest one was nato, right. they've already said and told me that clear. so to the department of defense, the heck is worth he's. he's said look, there's never gonna be ukraine part of the data. it's not gonna happen. they don't qualify anyway. and you know, remember when trump ran, he talked about dismantling it. and so your opinion leaders are quite shaking in their boots. and then of course, there was amounts spent by both the vice president and secretary of defense saying to your pay, look, you're gonna have to pay for your own defense. the us is, is now, you know, we're not going to be your big brother anymore. you're on your own. yeah, so to speak. you pay the bill. yeah, it's incredible, isn't it now you, you've done the task now. pay the piper so to speak. um, you know, there was an unconfirmed report i was speaking about this last hour with the current. can i so the full, i'm a foreign minister in la storia and we were talking about an unconfirmed report

that was leaks in bloomberg all the financial times and alleged american proposal in this piece plan with trump might pull back all american troops out of the baltic, states now what's interesting to me about that is this, the trump has been saying to nathan members, you go to pay more than 2 percent. you're gonna pay 5 percent for you and they so budget. but if trump is going to pull the american troops out of these native bases in the baltics, what does that mean for nato? then we're going to want to have to pick up this extra cost all day. i think you're looking at the beginning of the end of nato, as we know it. i think it's going to be structured and just something different, if not completely dismantled and that's where we're headed for it. and i think your p and leaders already see the writing on the wall. they already feel like they've been sent to the kids table, so to speak, for these piece starts. but why would they, rory, be invited to these initial talks when it's a bilateral talk between the us and russia? europe's not invited, because look what happened last time. force johnson's there could have been peace,

a couple of years ago. and the worst johnson put a stop to it. so the, there's a lack of trust now with europe. european. yeah. sincerity towards peace when actually they've been war mongering. meanwhile, the people of europe want this to, and i mean all their polls show it, their economies been changing. in europe as a whole has been stagnant, you know, their economy a less than 3 percent growth, which is disastrous and prim. primarily, great britain, france and germany been taking the biggest hits. yeah. of course because of the energy issue. yeah. what? because i'm just, you know, how i'm so i shouldn't say this, but how stupid do you have to be? i mean, you're, there, you are being economy, the spinal backbone of the, or the economy for so many decades has been really super cheap. russian energy. and it's allow you to prospect, it's allowed germany to become the economic backbone of europe. and yet, no, no, no, no money for so called the war colors of food and cut off cheap russian energy. pollution

said your sanctions will. boom, all right, and they have moved around to a t. meantime, tara ukraine is not even invited to these tools and react today. zalinski basically say, well, if we don't going to be that they are a legitimate, what do you, how do you assess? so lensky is position today. he doesn't have a position. i mean, look at him, he is an illegitimate president himself. how can he call these talks illegitimate? he's not. and besides, us said that they would have talks with zalinski later this week. so it was bilateral talks with ukraine. so meetings, lensky? well, one of the things they have to figure out is how do they make these piece a long lasting piece with him being who he is, which is not legitimately elected. he stopped the election now if he were to hold them, he wouldn't win. that's obvious. yeah, he's already sanctioned one of the oligarchs that actually supported him. right. that's right. he made a law that it was the legal firm to talk to putin. and now he says he wants to talk to me. so that's confusing. he's killed a generation of men of ukraine, right?

a generation? yeah. and basically he's going to be giving up mineral rights to 20. you know, but the bear in mind, one of the things that's going to be, discuss heavily, maybe even today or later on in the taxes. those mental rights, russian owns 22 percent of those precious minerals. and we're talking about, you know, um by precious minerals we mean wisdom and things like that that are funds you know, like um that, that produce telephones, you know, cellphones and electric cars. so that's why they're so precious and valuable. yeah, indeed, you mentioned the precious minerals of ukraine potentially being potentially being up for grabs. it doesn't really surprise me. you and we have been around the news business has such a long time now it kind of reminds me of iraq. it reminds me of the dentist on it reminds me of serious because you the end of the day. oh it's, it's oil. oh, it's gas. no, it's free to mind of god sake. don't give me the narratives any more. by the way. i'm really glad you mentioned boris johnson

a few moments ago. the western media never talks about it. they never talk about it . they don't want to talk about it, but then i talked to the matter isn't everyone needs to understand that a couple of months after the conflict began between russia and ukraine or nathan america and ukraine bars, johnson discussed with the piece towards all of this could have been avoided, if simple boris, the bo joad, but should johnson have not ruined the peace folks? how many hundreds of thousands of people have died because of one mind, right? stop the peace from coming, but now we're hoping we're going to witness. now, a return to common sense and when you talk about common sense, look what's happened in paris 24 hours ago, these e u leaders getting for a shot, getting together for a champagne lunch, but it's an emergency meeting, right? you can't see the look in their eyes. these guys are barking it, they don't know what to do now because you know, it's not to your opinion leaders. i've always made a lot of dogs of america. but now the monster of america has changed and laptops don't know who to wag. bed tails full, you know, that's

a good point. they don't know who to wag their tails for us or really good way to put it. and, and let's look at the facts. and many of these leaders like great britain and france, they're barely holding on to their seat. they're not popular. their people are upset. my crone has, has lost his confidence vote. he knows he's, he's on his last legs. so to speak, and economically it's been an absolute disaster. and now the conversations, if you look at great britain, they're talking about censorship of sweet since the vice president of the united states talked about that. they've been having the conversations on their news. wait a 2nd. why, why are english people being censored? and then of course, germany is taking it almost orwellian turn with its laws about free speech. so, you know, they're trying to use a for tate of methods which is interesting when all they talk about a spreading democracy. but they're really not. yeah, it's big viewing that yes and screen isn't that related? yeah. and so these talks are incremental. so you'll see was bilateral talk right

now later on in the week, they'll be a bilateral discussion with zalinski. and then they'll be a gathering of everyone together. i would imagine at some point, and a meeting between trump and president tutoring. and i really believe pieces on the horizon, whether europe likes it or not. i think that is a very important the final statement that because it's, it's almost the case of a, well, it's tough guys. it's tough, you're blowing it now and look like it's done. i mean, you look at the u. k, probably just a kiss donna. okay. he's be, you know, he's been absolutely pro. busy for such a long time. now, what are the western press? spins it differently, but kissed alma we're saying, okay, we're going to send troops to ukraine. we're going to send troops to you crazy. oh, what a trump sites. oh, now we're going to send troops to be a piece, contingent, inter ukraine. we have the guy, it's flip flopping off to saying, we're going to support you credit for the next 100 years more weapons, more cash. wait, what? oh, now is peaceful. you know, i mean, he's kind of like blowing in the wind, that guy and you go to wonder why people in the u. k. tax paying citizen. and so tired of him, when you bought pension,

it was worth freezing to death. and the windsor, could you sending money instead of the pension? is he sending it to ukraine? so you're, he's in a bad state, isn't that? and he's, he's actually personally benefited um, you know, with his ties the world economic forum. yep. and then you mentioned earlier, the oil companies, right? the 3 oil companies, b, p. show and, and chevron have made a close to a trillion dollars collectively since the war begins. so for them, this has been a boon. of course the north stream disaster also gave them an economic boom which was besides being a disaster, it was a work crime committed. and we know that the us, i mean that reporting was, was sorted out and that investigation was done. that the us had something to do with that. yeah. so, you know, i think what trump is trying to do is okay under the biden resumes mistakes. huge crimes were committed mistakes from a money laundering happened. now we've got to entangle this and try to build trust again with russia. yeah. how did happen?

well, you know, good luck. i mean, some of the latest revelations out of washington have be, you know, for example, those are understanding that millions of dollars have been given to companies like royces. and these are the associated press to do what to what do i say implement. so grand, large scale, social deception. right, well that's about pushing narrative rusher, bad china, bad movies. these are just narratives, a catch phrases. and i think the every day tax payers are starting to wake up. tar . you make a token till the cows come, how it is so good to have you in the set on this all to contribute a tal reed. thank you very much. i well, the year is clearly solved basically look like a deer in headlights lead has gathered in paris as i was saying, for this emergency meeting to figure out how to react to washington, kicking them out of discussions to resolve your credit conflict and will turn out to be a fairly typical champagne lunch, came to an end with no result. but as they were enjoying that champagne, the hungarian, a foreign minister came out and slammed with them for attempting to prolong on fire

the flames of wool that there are those gathering and parents who have been constantly point oil into the fire in the last 3 years. then a follow to failed strategy in the past 3, down the 40 countries that have continuously posed a threat, escalating the war with their policies today in paris, or that we're seeing a gathering of pro war little anti trump on but frustrated european leaders who wants to stop and agreement from happening on peace and ukraine management contract . all that we're supporting donald trump's efforts. and the us russia talks here, which for european leaders seem to be at low get heads out what to do next. and the way feature not being able to come up with any concrete plans, despite the fact they met at that emergency meeting here in paris, it was an old european lead is no, it was just a select few need. this of countries like poland from germany,

and also the u. k. being invited to low into that now the face prime minister kids, selma, put things together. plans to send peacekeeping troops to ukraine. that didn't go down well with everyone. but here's what salma would like to do. your must play its role. and per pet consider committing purchased forces on the ground. alongside off those. if there is a last in piece of agreement. but the must be a us box stop. because a us security guard said, this is the only way to effectively deter russia from attack. can you create a good but case elements say, would god bless europe always? he's going to need the us as a back stop. well too many cooks for the bras, that's what we heard from the us special and boy chief calla guntee. he might be

white because they couldn't come up with a plan that they could all agree on. we have the usual folks like president backorder holding not meeting saying you need to spend more money on defense stuff . also what we heard from this level of delay in the european commission president saying peace through strength. what she means is we need to keep building weapons and buying the weapons. and that of course, is music to the ease of defense contract is germany's largest defense contract. the saying, actually this is the entire reason why your opinion is haven't been invited to that summit, the big boys summit and re between russia and the us. and that's because they have and funded that defense for decades. now, if you don't invest, if you're not strong, they handle you like kids. if parents have dinner, the kids have to sit at another table. the us is negotiating with russia and no

european is it the table, it is become very clear that the europeans, all the kids problems for minnesota all. so it's basing that at some point, you will have to send it from steam crane at possibly off to being requested by the united states to do that. and he was like, well, that's something we will need to acquiesce to. nature's chief saying europe is willing to step up to the plate, but again, new details and lots. the points. new details will agree. those in not meeting in paris inside was need to store that. this is the gym and chancellor. all of schultz who said it is not the time to be discussing the future. if you claim with that ukraine, this is furnish for food and it is completely premature and completely the wrong time to have this discussion now and finish. i'm even

a little irritated by these debates. i have to say people are talking here about possible variance of outcomes over the heads of ukraine. that's just about the outcome of piece talks that have not taken place. and with which ukraine has not said yes, it does not sound at the table. this is highly inappropriate to put it bluntly and honestly, we don't even know what the outcome will be. well, the meeting in paris was just a sideline. and so i go into what we don't know because there was an agreement made and it seems that you will be in need is, are flaming round, almost like headless chickens. after the announcements that we've been seeing coming up from the white tests. and you can imagine mostly this will be, have left paris. i'm wondering what is going to be the outcome of the tools at the big boy table. i'm not taking place later today in the at yeah, across one a shot to do must be reported right there. from power as well. and the time i was speaking about earlier in the program with a formal austrian far and admitted to current can i sold out. she says that most

govern, washington and now entering a new era of diplomacy. but ultimately leaving europe on the sidelines with his own domestic problem of the fund. a bunch of the issue i would say is symmetry. we have a symmetric relation between 2 big powers. that's the rest of the race on the one side. so united states on the other, we have a new administration of them that has the typical american attitude of clean slate . let's make a fresh start. this is not all war that's history. and we want to enter into a new relation, and that's simply no symmetry between the us and europe, or between the russia and to europeans. there you 27 who to talk to. so full represents what uh and it's much easier to go back to classical pilots with diplomacy to sit at the table to set the agenda and to get things done about the what is fundamental in such a dynamic of negotiations as of course,

before everything starts, it's about the agenda, what the item would be on the agenda, and this is a sarah that is only handled by most going to washington, but there's nobody from the you commissioned as not to to original breland involved pop from the fact that there anyway busy with the on domestic scales. uh so i think that the, the ultimate role of your park, this will be really only in handling the migration issue. watson happened to the millions of ukrainians might stay in durham and the poland. what can happen to the black market of can we, i think this is of an issue, the europeans, i know that you were thinking about. and a lot of other problems they themselves would have to handle with their welfare states. uh, was there a security policy but on and on, on, on the logic picture for europe,

there is no place. and so the peace thoughts are on the way. kimberly, and re add to the american and russian delegation. they've been talking now for roughly one hour and 45 minutes. and we talk about teams and re as role policies. we're getting all the updates by the minute here in moscow. it certainly does seem the world porter is changing, but keeping it posted on air and online. it says on the 1914, the world war one, that's the 1st global military conflict gradually and gulf facility.