are you ready to come along? the moment for the history books is taking place right now in saudi arabia, us and russian representatives a holding tools for that host of issues from normalization of ties to p. the new crate. the key of is bitterly understanding that the minsk provisions are unattainable and that the new conditions for ending the hostilities and ukraine will be far worse for them. a dose of reality up united make sense of how it's not them is a lensky and says, nothing can be achieved without the kids to sit patient off the he failed to get an invite to the meeting every year. and as europe one does wherever it fits into this loop, and lodge and the tools in paris with some heads of state failed to deliver and

results. but they do convince hungry about russell's will not be is the ultimate goal. we're seeing a gathering of pro war, anti trump frustrated european leaders. we want to stop in agreement from happening on peace and credit. the handler for myself, the whole team here on our most co h q. welcome to this tuesday's program is good to have you. before our breaks news, that's head straight to saudi arabia because talks in the capital have kicked off between the russian and american delegations and want a whole range of biological issues are on the agenda. it is the settlement of the ukraine conflict that is at the top as for a possible meeting between trump and pearson, while the pregnant says nothings in the diary quite yet. there is no clarity on the

dice. have some preliminary assessments when emerge regarding the results of today's negotiations. but we will learn about this later after the dialogue concludes. as for rushes, commitment to peace, this position has been clear from the very beginning. and president putin has consistently reiterated in his readiness for peaceful negotiations since the 1st days in fortune. unlike many other countries, particularly ukraine, which has turned away from peace talks and europeans who have always talked about war and the need to continue the conflicts at any cost, including the previous washington administration, which also supported the war until the last ukrainian. therefore, this commitment for peace has been evident from the start. it is important for us to achieve results. of course, we prefer peaceful means to accomplish all goals. additionally, pollutant has repeatedly stated that he is ready to negotiate with zalinski is necessary. however, the legal formalization of any agreements requires serious discussion, taking into account the reality related to the possibility of challenging zelinski

is legitimacy. while the 2 sides have been talking for about 4 hours now, i've been to school corresponding, you will a piece can also is actually pardon me in reality throughout last night. and he sent us this report about what could be expected from the me to we are currently in this improvise waiting area inside of the same palace where the negotiations are still continuing. i think they're actually happening right above us right there. on the next floor, we were allowed to get in that room for just a few moments and we saw rushes 40 minutes to elaborate off a residential envoy. you will truck off on one side of the table and the us delegation headed by us secretary of state, marco rubio, on the other side of it. you do have quite a lot to talk about. it's been a long time since delegations of such high profile between the 2 countries and met

the relationship remaining. thoughts was already on the brink of collapse. and now this is definitely a positive sign that they are talking to each other. so of course, the conflict and ukraine is one of them, but both sides have been stressing that they are also going to be focusing on normalizing relations between the 2 countries. and of course, also preparing for the meeting between the presidents between vladimir food and donald trump. we don't know exactly when that's going to happen. we don't exactly know if it's going to take place here in saudi arabia, but surely we will find out soon because the 2 leaders did agree to meet during that phone conversation, which happens a less than a week ago, is astonishing. the face with which events are unfolding less than a week ago. they, they,

they talked and now we're already here in saudi arabia and the delegations are already talking to each other. well actually just a quick development we've just got was that the russian for administer. so a lot for us who really is needing the russian delegation. he has already deposited the tubes, which were held at one of the policies that belongs to the saudi royal family. he is heading to the apple and that is a chance we're hearing. but he will make a few comments before he pulls the page and returns to most goes. we all going to be on stand by for that to see what was the hearing reports, the maybe even next week we might see president peterson and president trump sitting down again. that is just room up. but i do want to talk about how it's not just a possible piece still with you quite. and that is up for discussion because the issue of western sanctions, backfiring has also been raised with american companies reporting losses of hundreds of billions. in fact, 300000000 that was just a given up to packing up. the business isn't accepting the auction market. so

paving the way for the advertising is on the table. and that's what, according to one of the members of most goes delegation. it is very important to discuss the joint economic projects. we will discuss joint projects for their assumption of dialogue in general, and will certainly move along the political track, which is headed by mr. lever off and mr. lewis called respectively. and in the economic track, i have been assigned to leave and i believe that we will reach a mutual understanding. and this mutual understanding will be reflected in joint projects. for example, we know that a number of us oil companies want to return. therefore, it is necessary to establish a dialogue in areas not only political, but also in investments in economics. on the one hand, we have some losses. and on the other hand, our economy is growing by 4 percent per year. and the european economy is either not growing or best is growing at one percent. therefore,

many of our colleagues believe the sanctions on the contrary actually contributed to our economic growth. they contributed to our independence in our sovereignty. it is absolutely obvious that president biden's policy has undermined confidence in the dollar and has actually created many threats to the american economy. to bind it ministration has created a very wrong narrative. in fact, the sanctions helped russia become more independent, but they hurt the dollar and her american companies, many american companies have simply lost significant future revenues and lost their marketing positions. they understand that chinese companies are replacing these positions of american companies. therefore, is very important to note that the by the administration gave a lot of this information. a lot of wrong messages are dialog allows us to tell the truth. the russian economy is developing well, and we also need joint projects, including, for example, in the arctic and then other countries is precisely the joint projects that will

allow us to be more successful. the policy of containing russia of limited and russia has obviously failed. and this too must be honestly admitted. i believe that there will probably be progress not in the long term, but in the next 2 to 3 months. the atmosphere in the beginning of the dialogue were set by a positive call from president putin and president trump. and this atmosphere to hear each other's concerns to understand each other. the by the administration did not try to understand russia's concerns. it had its own ideological dogmas and positions. and what we're seeing so far is still very early, and the american side is ready to listen to russia's position, ready to understand russia's position. and that's where the dialogue begins. well, this is happening as zalinski is on his own to of the region off to the u. a. he had to, to, to kia where he met with the president. the one told that all the ongoing that

scented really around and not coming, present a swap between moscow and kids. but i was the ones you sense is that all eyes all on re out right now he's not a guest list on the guest star. yes. types of muscle in the event, saying that without and ukraine at the table, any negotiations about the conflict, a meaningless it says the ukraine will not take part. ukraine knew nothing about this. and ukraine regards any negotiations about ukraine without you frame as having no results. we cannot recognize any things or agreements about us that took place without us. in the meantime, washington's handouts to k of seem to have been put on hold. in fact, some report suggests that the us has told us ally is now time to start sectioning its debt. with the number of $500000000000.00 bank flow to now the on this, on the scale that is wool, then the reparations germany have to pay out off to weld $1.00. we know the donald

trump is previously suggest to be crank that hand over its route, minerals, oil and gas resources, some infrastructure to which one competes. but as the demands on key of grow, daily rushes on boss that it's the un no to that any future deal will have fall was comes and had previously been on off in the way it's a moving team is literally understanding that the mentoring positions are unattainable and that the new conditions for ending the hostilities and ukraine will be far worse for them. certainly we do. we all see the developments after the entry into office of the republican us administration, as we have called for over many months the pharmacy has finally been actively brought into the game. regarding e. u. countries in the united kingdom are absolutely on faithful to their words. some of those they cannot be a party to any future agreement on the resolution to the ukrainian crisis whatsoever. present a european politicians are incapable of strategic thought or to lose you. the

divides within europe don't conceal the fact that in the event of a cease fire who they intend to rearm ukraine and to prepare it for the resumption of warfare. and if you crane today has irrevocably laws, you're not just crime media, but also the do net scan, lugens people's republic. and the carson ends up rogia regions of the self proclaimed ukrainian presidents, a lensky loss legitimacy. last may, if you drag the country into a conflict for the advancement of others, geo political interest that the cost of the lives of hundreds of thousands of ukrainians. well, i just want to quit to bring you an update. we have heard from a member of the russian desecration, and they said that the meeting was positive and all of a sudden it went not badly at the moment. that thing, it's impossible to say when they'll be a summit, no concrete date, yet the trump imputes meeting spot. both sides set that we need to respect each other's interest. that doesn't necessarily mean that we need to become best friends, but it is like they said, it is essential for 2 powers,

like russia and the us to maintain a communication and contact there. is it just the foss pieces in the details that are coming out now? cool, so we're going to have more, like i said, we might even be hearing from the for a minute stuffs, like a lot roles within hopefully the next kind of 20 thought to minutes. when he arrives at the top to slide back to most start. in the meantime, what i want to do is discuss the only got in total. the total set of out concluded with canadian john, us, and we all got a alex report by his joining us from china. i'm, you know, i'm gonna start off with the china element actually get your insight on it. we know that in the power struggle that the us sees is ongoing in the wild. china is that the very top it is the country that is economically eclipsing america that is able to provide infrastructure projects and financing to so many nations in the global south. do you think that when the us and russian representatives,

what tool king mall could review said, we need to talk about basing on your relationship with that? well, we have a case that a little bit of jealousy, the americans were left out of the party for the last 4 years. well, china really got together and put a lot more nations on it's belton road initiative. and he did mention the b r i. when rubio was in panama, specifically said, well, we may have convinced panama to not join the belgian road. now, i can see that the biden's built back better, or i'll call the built back bank for up that he had, has failed. so the trumpet, ministration is kind of inheriting me kind of being left out of the, we'll call it the party and well, you know, for them to get back in always, it's very easy for us to say, you know what? we got to talk to china and of course,

with the americans largest trading partner worldwide. john is indeed that person in that country. so i guess they're going to try it out, wrote them in and do it all in one shot. and i also wanted to kind of take a picture, i understand, obviously why there was such a focus on how these tools might help pay if the way for the policy towards a political assessment of the conflict around you crate. but i also feel that perhaps ukraine is one element of this, i think what is being discussed in riyadh is always what? well, just going to look like in 10 years time and 20 and 50 is time. do you see this meets in housing kind of magnitude like that? you know, you have just said what i was thinking exactly that, you know, we have to get these 3 major nations together. russia, china, in the united states. yes. a little bit. the icing on the cake is the ukraine. but you know, as we see zalinski gate crashing every uh,

every event that to use gentlemen are doing these kind of like a prom date without a date. so, you know, in the future here, we are going to try to see, and then the alignment here in countries united states know that they cannot survive without china. and russia is a very good partner and allied with china. and these, i would say pretty much, it's forget the g 7, right? okay, just forget the g 7 or the g 8. this is really down to these 3 nations. these are the nations that are going to be calling the shots for the next 10 years. we've got developed in road and we've got america wanting to be in part of that part of that party. and i think you're going to see exactly what you quoted earlier that this is pretty much these 3 deciding the future for the next decade. for sure. what do you think is going through the landscape mines at the moment? as you see small cobarrubias sitting opposite? so a lot for, of course he wasn't invited. we know your thoughts. do you think he's slightly on edge? that that'd be an understatement. it'd be like this exact side,

going to the atm and the atm, taking your bank card from you and say, well now what? and then going to where you used to be popular and all the doors are closed. nobody wants this guy around you. nobody's invited them anywhere and he just keeps crashing these events trying to be someone of value. he has been cool, not only by his own mind, but the european union has left him out to drive. they know that the americans are not going to bank this or back it financially. they have just walked in to a colossal last about not so trillion dollars here. and there's nothing they can do about it except, you know, the dog and pony show for him is over. the faster that he gets, as we say, add a dodge the better and let the big boys work this out. zalinski. maybe you can uh, you know, load off into the sunset somewhere in or what was in seeing you obviously talked

about the europeans, the job and defense company. ryan mitchell made a comment the was experienced because it didn't contribute to enough, but a wonderful time to phrase they said the parents are having dinner. the kids sit on another table, the europeans, all the kids here. i mean, it's obviously a very cultural way of describing it, but you think it's accurate? a very accurate. i mean the european union, we're talking about a bunch of really all elected individuals calling the shots here. they got it out of gore cli wrong. remember just weeks ago, you know, other news outlets like the dc, we're saying ukraine, we're going to win this europe. we're going to win this united front. we're going to win this winning watch. all they have one is see a guy, basically the center great. his country lose a generation of a young man. and well, i'm hearing that lindsey graham rolled into town and said, well there's not much upon the ground here in ukraine. but below the gra will

gladly take that. i want to go back to the kind of the chinese aspect of it and then ski the munich secure to confront. uh, he actually spoke about meeting chinese officials. i want to have a listen and then i'll come back to alex. sure. visible of the meeting was with one the, the meeting was important. he also met with the head of my office. andre your mind . it is important for us to talk and involve china to help put pressure on putting to end the war. i think this is the 1st time china has shown interest. i think that this is largely due to the fact that all processes are speeding up. now we cannot be against when countries, especially countries of the global south are interested in helping ukraine and pressing russia to end the war. that is why i believe this is an important meeting and it could lead to a continuation of the dialogue at another level here regarding china. we've always said that we are ready to have the presence of serious players. but at the negotiating table, at this moment,

there will be those who are ready to take on the responsibility as guarantors of security, with both assistance and stopping, as well as investing in the reconstruction of ukraine the so then, i mean what stood out to me that was how he said it was quote, the 1st time that a part in patient has shown any interest in the resolution of the conflict. i just don't see how that corresponds with reality when we book the friends for peace pop from the started once again. and he's even using china this time around. basically a friend told a friend of another friend of another friend that we had a meeting and it was big and wonderful. pretty much i would say it was a symbolic meeting only in the sense that somebody actually from china sat down and listen to this guy from. busy and 5 minutes and gave him the courtesy to hear what maybe he had to say got up ship his hand, diplomatic like the chinese are and walked away. and well, he's trying to get air time for this, trying to amplify. this is very important. china's in concessions with me,

we may have something to table. nonstarter not happen in a game over. and once again, the big boys will show up and saudi. they will figure it out and they will then let zalinski know what if anything is left of his country. now obviously with fulton, alex about how one of the biggest pays at the moment. it's all this in china shooting, paying and try to mit pitch and have a very good possible, as well as political relationship. um, do you think when inevitably it seems at this point the meeting comes between trump compared to how do you think that will be received in china? do you think that will be a bit of portion out or do you think it will be welcomed in the sense of bringing stability between, like you said, the 3 big players at the moment in terms of the global community are trying to

knows how to deal with america. okay, they really, really did. when it comes to russia in china, that relationship is solid. it's not going anywhere. if anything, it will continue to increase oil exports, you know, from russia to china, they will continue to increase natural gas sales. they will increase new energy vehicles going from johnny interrupt you. they will continue to increase. when you sanction a country of over 60000 sanctions, you cut the air space. so if you cut the visas off, you cut the banking system. all russians are going to remember this. they're going to remember it throughout europe and america. let's not forget the american companies that pulled out left there. i mean, i'm hearing the visa mastercard. we're heading back into town. but again, you know, this is china knowing very well the wounds, the shots that the russia chuck, because of this really happened to china as well. so that relationship is together and i understand totally why those 2 are sitting with the americans. it's not going

to be rushing united states and then we'll invite china. not happening. it will not happen. the chinese, uh, you know, government will surely support uh, vladimir putin of course, to try to bring peace to the area. but economically wise, they exactly know what the americans are up to, and it might be a good time to talk tariffs. i think it'd be a good time to talk to get it all done in one shot. why not all i also want to, i mean, you mentioned that these are mazda cot. i also read that out. of course, the irony is a visa, or mastercard itself locked out, right? because in the meantime, brush recreated its own system. i know that when i go to the shop, now i use the internal kind of switch system that's been introduced and created by ross. so there's always there need for the these are most called anymore. but kind of looking at all the tangible things that might emerge from these tools. do you think we'll go to start seeing discussions about rolling box sanctions opening up a space, something about corporation in the architect,

which we know is going to be one of the kind of the flash points moving forward. this does a reason, the green that has been singled out by trump up to yes, this is going to happen. we will see robots, of st. jude were getting in. so this company is desperately wanting to come back to the russian market. but the russian people, the consumers, are going to speak in solidarity this. they will not do it again. and i don't think we're going to see the average russian person fly into the european union, throw down some money and buy property if either, if they have been either sees or their bank accounts have been sanctioned, people will remember what has happened over the last few years yes, there was a conflict in ukraine, but there was also financial war going on against russia. and the boys that stepped up to the plate for the chinese that is not going to happen as the americans. they should learn from this. they should watch very closely. there sanctions were not successful. and if they even think of doing anything like this, the china, well,

it's going to backfire. i think there is going to be a lot to, to discuss it in the coming weeks and months. i was alex reports by canadian, jonathan. flo, god, based out in china, thank you very much. your time. good. see you alex. you're welcome. bye. well, one global pay of what's going on with chalk out. the developments in the middle east is, as we was saying with alex, is you a number of the blocks heads of state guy that empowers on monday for an emergency meeting. and they were trying to come up with a game plan on how best to deal with washington shutting the door on their involvement in any settlement of ukraine conflict. but as soon as the meeting failed to yield any concrete results that we did upon and prove to hungry, that brussels is intent on finding the flights of the that there are those gathering and parents who have been constantly point oil into the fire in the last 3 years that are followed or failed strategies in the past 3, down to 40 countries that have continuously post the threat,

escalating the war with their policies today in paris, or we're seeing a gathering of pro war little anti trump. i'm a frustrated european leaders who want to stop in agreement from happening on peace and ukraine management contracts, so that we're supporting donald trump's efforts and the us russia talks, which for european leaders seem to be at loggerheads at reason of what to do next. and the way feature not being able to come up with any concrete plans, despite the fact they met that, that emergency meeting here in paris, it was an old european lead is no, it was just the select fee and the this of countries like colon from germany, and also the u. k. being invited to low into that. now you face prime minister kit selma. put things together. plans the census keeping true to ukraine. that didn't go down well with everyone. but here's what selma was like to do. your must

play its role. i'm prepared to consider committing purchase forces on the ground along side of those. if there is a last thing piece of agreement. but the must be a us bucks stop. because a us security guard said, this is the only way to effectively deter russia from attack. can you create a good but case elements say, would god bless europe always? he's going to need the us as a box stop. well too many cooks for the broth, that's what we heard from the us special and boy chief calla guntee. he might be white because they couldn't come up with a plan that they could all agree on. we have the usual folks like president backorder holding not meeting saying you needs to spend more money on defense stuff

. also what we heard from this level of delay in the european commission president saying peace through strength. what she means is we need to keep building weapons and buying weapons. i'm not, of course, as music to the ease of defense contract is a germany's law. just defense contract to saying actually this is the entire reason why your opinion is, haven't been invited to that summit. the big boys, somebody can read between russia and the us. and that's because they have defended the defense for decades. now, if you don't invest, if you're not strong, they handle you like kids. if parents have dinner, the kids have to sit at another table. the us is negotiating with russia and no european is at the table. it is become very clear that the europeans, all the kids problems for minnesota all. so it, they thing that at some point you will have to send it from steve crane at possibly

off to being requested by the united states to do that. and he was like, well, that's something we will need to acquiesce to. nature's chief saying, europe is willing to step up to the plate, but again, new details and lots. the points. new details will agree don't, in not meeting in paris inside was need a stool that this was the gym and chancellor, all of schultz who said it is not the time to be discussing the future. if you claim with that ukraine, this is fairly screwed up to it is completely premature. i'm completely the wrong time to have this discussion. now, i'm even a little irritated by these debates. if i have to say, people are talking here about possible variance of outcomes over the heads of ukraine is just about the outcome of peace talks that have not taken place. and with which ukraine has not said yes,

it does not sound at the table. this is highly inappropriate to put it lovely and honestly, we don't even know what the outcome will be. well, thought me thing in paris was just a sideline. and so i go into what we don't know because there was an agreement made . and it seems that you will be in need is a flaming rammed almost like headless chickens. after the announcements that we've been seeing coming out from the white tests. and you can imagine mostly this will be, has left paris. i'm wondering what is going to be the outcome of the tools at the big boy table. i'm not 2nd place later today in the, at, on adults and re i'd have wrapped up around 4 and a half hours that she sighed for talking. and we thought she just received a comment from the ceo of the russian direct investment fund, who was a member of most coast penetration, a system. i still watch them all inside much so easy. so it is fairly well what am i shouldn't have been guessing about us at least talk to susan while you as direct

so, but this is kind of what lots of experience of working with your wisdom counterparts . what do you think about their hesitated, but how serious they are approaching very strong. so i think they're approaching them very seriously with great respect this little girl. i think it's a real thoughts. i'm a little desktop of the original direct phone yellow because dialogue on you, the based on the people understanding the stories that business locally. so i will wait until i see that there's a slow good attitude. so there are lots of different sizes by than the probably the by didn't seem to be done a lot below to disrupt the communications with lots of this information at the top shots. but a way of correcting this is who communicates to find common grounds, comedy points on a missed a more consumption and lots of just issues that can work together on taking projects. for example, i'm sure we deal with both. so any dialogue is very likely found that's very positive, but there are lots of differences. it's tail so we have to be realistic that there is a long way to go.