the, the, the conversation was very useful. we not only listened but also heard each other. and i have reason to believe that the american side has begun to better understand our position. a moment for the history books, russia and the us hold the thoughts cali level meeting is posted by saudi arabia. the 2 sides spoke about a wide range of issues from normalization of biological ties to piece to new prey. diplomacy ultimately is based on tax based on commitments that are kept the american side praises. the tools as a cute the board and agree is that a problem with a piece is the only acceptable at a point not at the table of re add the inside of it. and so let's keep that,

didn't stop them from traveling to other countries in the region, including 6 here, as well as making something to bombs off. cuz the, the united states is discussing with russia the ultimatum that food, instead at the beginning of the full scale war. i wonder if we didn't accept such ultimatums at the most difficult moment. why are we likely to do it now? both are left out in the cold was think a huge. so here europe in naples heather and told what the emphasis was on around hang up on supplies and see things up to fight for some say the fossil is already you know, keep, keep the leaders of the great countries of europe missed the moment when they could have taken the initiative on the russian war in ukraine. a you, institutions are not capable of an initiative. the 7 can hear it and most good this to say for myself a whole team i our

h q. welcome to the program. situating us getting us started off that full and health hours tools between the us and russian dedications have wrapped up in re out speaking all fluids, most goes top. dip cannot express positivity out that day's walk, sucking law prof. i did that. well, both countries will always be guided by the national interest they can do so while maintaining a respectful, professional style to go to do at the beginning of our conversation, to show the mark of rubio, particularly emphasize the fundamental importance of each country being guided by its national interest in international relations and we fully agreed with this with these national interest of course will not always coincide understood, but when they do not coincide, i mean it is very important to regulate these discrepancies. so that's not to let them slide, no pennsylvania and especially not to provoke a military or any other kind of confrontation,

who's got you so much. so the conversation was very useful on thoughts. we not only listened but also heard each other who will, and i have reason to believe that the american side has begun to better understand our position though they do. let's see what was a very long day here in saudi arabia. the talks lasted for 4 and a half hours and quite a lot came out of them. i have to say that the story, the story is it made quite an effort to prevent any speculation or leaks from happening. have as of it talks to still went on. so then we were basically bombarded by all these various statements after the thoughts ended coming from both sides. but i think the most important thing that happened today here in saudi arabia is that russia and the united states were able to make a very important 1st step toward so normalizing their relations. they've agreed to create mechanisms to normalize the work of their diplomatic commissions regarding the conflict in ukraine. they agreed to put together high level teams on each side,

which will work together to look for diplomatic, sustainable solution which would be suitable to all sides. and they're also, i think it's a very important point that they're even now starting to look beyond the constitution, ukraine, because they're saying that they want to lay the foundation for future dream projects in investment and economy in all these projects which may emerge after the constitution ukraine is done judging by what preferred today from representatives of both sides. it was a serious and optimistic conversation which they just do talk for 4 and a half hours. that's the one. yes. why not? and there was a very serious conversation on all the issues. we wanted to touch upon to them. is this positive? be constructive. everybody, they are the to get to the right outcome solution based we,

we discussed it afterwards. we couldn't have imagined a better result after this, after the session. it was buried are solid. i just want to stress that it's just about a week ago. it was so far to imagine something like this from happening. but then the phone conversation between president vladimir important and donald trump took place. and now old lady were here in saudi arabia. we're looking at moscow in washington talking and most importantly, listening to each other like 4 minutes to elaborate said well, boss has also been way of tracing its position about the conflict for 3 years. i don't think we necessarily need to recap, but it's always been very clear about what those red line saw, what it's not wanting to negotiate on. i'm so from washington is perspective, have we heard anything new from the trump administration about what some given take might be from. so i ministration approach to not only the conflict in ukraine, but i guess to the relationship with russia is quite different from the previous

administration. i think it also echo is with the rest of the board in foreign ministers. words about listening to each other. you're set the real estate mark. rubio said that this is about dialogue. this isn't about monologue. and he also said that any diplomatic success is possible only with concessions made by all sides. i think diplomacy ultimately is based on our actions based on commitments that are kept. so i think they came away today convinced that they are willing to begin to engage in a serious process to determine how and how quickly and to what mechanism can in and be brought to this war. whether we can ultimately reach that outcome. well, obviously depend on every side and this conflicts willingness to, to agree to certain things. so, um, i think it's important to have this meeting because we haven't really had much engagement with the russians for almost 3 years. and it's, that's the table for future conversations. how that turns out will be up to the

parties and their willingness not just to make commitments, but to live by them. i that will be tested in the weeks to come. another important point to that was made by the russian delegation, and this is according to foreign minister. sergio laboratory is at moscow finally was able to deliver its concerns and to the general stands on any theoretic deployments. also, any for un peacekeeping contingents in ukraine see a month the topic of the potential deployment of some kind of armed forces for peacekeeping contingency, allegedly after the conflict has already been resolved or an agreement has been reached, is of interest to the americans. so depending on which countries are prepared to provide them, the question is being addressed to the members of the european union. we explain during our talks today that we have noted very well that president trump and several of his speeches was the 1st western leader to say clearly that pulling ukraine into nato was one of the main reasons for what is happening is that this is one of the biggest mistakes of joe biden and his administration,

and that of trump for president at that time, he would not have allowed it to happen. so in this regard, we explained to our colleagues today, the president, putin has repeatedly emphasized that the expansion of nato, the absorption of ukraine by the north atlantic alliance is a direct threat to the interest of the russian federation, a direct threat to our sovereignty. so we have explained today that the appearance of armed forces from the same nato countries, but under a foreign flag, under the flag of the european union or under with national flags, does not change anything in this regard. this is, of course, unacceptable to us. russia is talking about protecting its national interests. it's a security and i think it's very important that this opportunity gave moscow the ability to deliver these concerns. and again, makes this message for washington to be heard. what i think. and washington definitely did say it because just as loud for off was measured, but also positive. so it was the us delegation. they described it as a big step for with this made saying,

i don't. is that any understanding of what could be, you know, in terms of concrete toms here for a future outcome of today's events regarding the conflict in ukraine. it's pretty clear that both russia and the united states are on the same page, that it can become a frozen conference conflict. it can't be something temporary, it has to be a permanent end to the war. there's some, the, some underlying principles. this needs to be a permanent, into the war and not a temporary end, as we've seen in the past. we know just the practical reality is that there is going to be some discussion of territory and there is going to be a discussion of security guarantees. those are just yet fundamental basics uh that will, that will undergird and underlie any type of discussion. some very important words

there, and frankly, not many people expected to any sort of a diplomatic breakthroughs or for the concept in ukraine to, to and here on this day in saudi arabia. but it's the 1st steps which are very important. i think it's very, it's, it's vital for the 2 countries to begin that way forward towards normalizing relations and towards the end of the concept in ukraine and towards a future where the 2 could work together. i'll send a stop re twinge twins to install controls to west nations. the global south has petitioned for a political settlement to the conflict. so today's told for welcomed by many players, including nigeria. it's foreign minister says no opportunity to reduce pensions should have a, a positive it's a welcoming development. it's always good to see, to lead his leaders of global powers meeting and talking because it provides the

opportunity to resolve conflict. and these tensions, this is something that i'm sure, every well meaning citizen of the planet would welcome a lot of minutes. lensky had been timing his own visit to south to rape it this week. but at the last minute he announced that the trip has been postponed. atlanta, we weren't invited to the russian american meeting in saudi arabia. it was a surprise for us, but honestly, i don't care. i care about our partners and we are absolutely honest and open. that's why i'm not going to saudi arabia. we contacted our partners in saudi arabia and agreed that i'll be there on an official visit to march 10th with the surprise . all joining me now is yes and not i cannot of to correspond to it based out in this symbol. i mean, yes. and the coincidences happen, do we have anything moved from the lens to go about these developments in russia, the us and re at this trip thing council?

of course, let them as landscape. it actually went in, say, a little bit more detail suggesting that the trip was cancelled or rescheduled for the 1st or 2nd week of march. but more importantly, there was a sense of resentment in his voice when he said that he will expect it to meet with the us delegation in care of suggesting that he will not go out of his way to continue these talks a great deal or something for the industry, if taken by u. s. president donald trump, to meet with the i sorry, the us delegation to meet with the russian delegation. but of course of the, at the press conference that was a great deal discussed with turkish president or the one we understand that the 2 i discussed a number of items on the agenda. of course, 1st and foremost of the mediation role that church has been undertaking. this is a significant point that we'll get into in a little bit, but also the reforming of ukraine's territory integrity. certain concerns and guarantees that savanski expects and returns. but more of that, you, of course, bilateral relations are mandatory now 1st, but peace talks and security guarantees as well as the saudi arabia talks have been on the agenda. we understand that currently speaking,

the church president has quite vocal book that's been quite vocal about on christmas position and mediating these talks. not just now, but of course of dating back to 2022. there was no mention of this made by so then ski himself and despite the developments and of course the saudi arabia, he took the time to travel to turkey and meet with president tardy wants. and we understand that until his current position suggests that the prospects of peace are, of course more significant and more likely than ever. listen to him for it shouldn't cause the drums to approach to end or quickly and via negotiations coincides with the policy that turkey has been following for the last 3 years. at the same time, i would like to say that the stem bull negotiations are the most appropriate platform and an important reference point for the sides. when the active diplomacy is taken into account russia, ukraine and the united states will continue to work together, get into that. one more thing of great significance send by the church. presidents

suggests that uncle is in a position not just of course, mediate between ukraine or rochelle. or even delegate with the united states, but i, turkey, it serves as an important place and it has an important position and ensuring that the prospects of future talks may be held. and we understand that the states back to an initiative that was started in 2022. or we know, of course, exactly like you said to you has been trying to broke up a stool since being involved in a peer top new exchanges to we sold as folks in the spring of 2022 dollars in a simple do things. but to key it has a real so now up being a platform for a piece, it appears that there is definitely the chance for that to happen. but very briefly, the, the prospects of prisoner exchanges was also discussed as part of the meeting. and we understand that target didn't mediate a prisoner exchange in 2024. this was a significant development. so we can expect very similar steps along the way. but

we understand that truck is current position also suggests that ukraine, of course, or all the parties involved and do play ball. and we understand that most cost position, even in 2022 when the assembled piece talks were being held. held a very vocal but open position to discussing the differences are grievances with ukraine. and similarly, ukraine was quite willing as well dating back to the peace talks we understand. at this given time, of course, there was a great deal of the diplomatic traffic. we understand based on statements since then, thought ukraine actually or the head of the ukrainian delegation, initiated the stumble piece, talks initiated the drafting of a number of agreements that were not signed they were drafted. but according to statements, from those close designs to the cleaning delegation was quite happy with what was there on paper. similarly, the russian president stating back to 2022 in 2024. during the, during a statement made as part of the seo summit, he said that ukraine was quite happy with what was there on paper with the draft.

and then despite that, it appeared that ukraine essentially walked away from that meeting. it derailed the prospect of peace and then of course, there's a great deal of speculation as to that piece process. and what really happened to maybe suggest that the former prime minister of the united kingdom forest johnson had something to do whether he still denied those obligations. but many people that are close to 0 on season or circle have come on the record, suggesting that for a strong sense, it actually can especially persuade, is that ask you to continue fighting. and that's where the resentment also shines through is because of the resentment is not just to what has happened, but what is happening at this given point because, so that's, you did mention time and time again. that is, western allies or partners have not spoken about providing ukraine with they told membership. now we understand this is russia's red line. it is one of the biggest talking points as to when we discussed the prospects of any piece, talks that you refrain, cannot and must not join nature as it appears that since that on. so you have something else in mind, but also did criticizes us partners, criticize

a european union and criticize nato as to the reproach and not providing so and see with what he wants, as opposed to what ukraine really needs. and we understand that his resentment, of course, does not just limited self there. that doesn't quite kill them or segments of the talks and saudi arabia, referring to any proposal that comes out of the us, was it talks as an ultimatum with us. what does it mean the united states is discussing with russia the ultimatum that put in said at the beginning of the full scale war, again, about ukraine without ukraine. i wonder if we didn't accept such ultimatums at the most difficult moment. it's why are we likely to do it now to be insured at this given point, at the very least, it appears russia is in a position where it is open and willing to negotiate, to the extent that it has for the 1st time in give or take 3 years met with it's us counterparts and of course one other significant development is cause of course the re election of us present. and donald trump under the bite and integration to us, try to isolate russia essentially pushing it away from any prospects of peace or

negotiations. and it appears under the binding, sorry, under the trump administration, that there is room for negotiation that russia will be brought back into the fold. and that it will take a different approach that it will work with its regional partners that will work with saudi arabia and target to ensure that all the parties that are currently interested in which is the supplement piece to make it happen. but of course, there's a great deal of a sudden, from savanski, especially taken to consideration that he did not know that the usaa legation would be meeting with its russian counterparts and expects the us to make its way to, to have to the doorsteps of the landscape. archie correspondent, yes. and couldn't giving us the view for a symbol on one of those things very much. has the i also want to get some more opinion. i'll speak to john in the stuff that media news paper. how to you old. so welcome to the program. thank you very much for your time. i think 5 stuff. i want to pick up on something that you asked and was saying about nato. and i want to

listen to a sort of sound bite of selective ski, and then i'll come back to so i think we might have, i was going to say something, but basically polanski says that we don't have any support from the us when it comes to to nato, and he thinks that this is russia guessing what it wants. what do you think? do you think that this is russia pushing its agenda or to the us and that's a pound on accepting you crate as well. i, i think is what is happening. i listen to it is and i ask, is press conference in the me. he was, i'm not going to say it broke command, but he was, he's found it very disappointed with, with the been in the united states with the vin europe hands. i mean, and the, here's a man who was pushed or i don't know,

i don't want to use harsh 1st, but he actually, he was made fights with russia. the simply because of europeans that and now he is left face down by them. they're not even calling him to the meetings, then they're not discussing anything with him. neither europeans nor, nor do, and i'd say they are going to impose things on him. you, of course, are the trump or, or anyone else will take advantage of the situation. i mean, the mean one thing in right now is pretend is sure that the he already got it, that the ne talk borders in russia is not going to extend that anymore. this is good thing. but other than that,

i'm sure it is from other russia is not going to that ukraine software in their hands off the skis or europeans or trumps. and they will have him. it has the country and the he knows that entered k is going to play is not matchmaker. but if missing facilitator all the once again i'm and i wanted to ask you, we know that zill and steve was planning to visit saudi arabia this week. and he said the visit has now been postponed. do you think it's coincidence? no, no, i don't think so in i, in on correct? yeah, probably traditional tortillas, or the people living in charge of ukrainians, vivian, and targeted, and informed to him it very brave to him about the

global expectations or in the view your grade was going to present to the public opinion if goes after trump. and this sits with the saudis, and it appeared as begging. he didn't want to do that. he was informed today by all parties involved and concerned. and the gave up. this is very good. i heard from his point of view it because it is, there is nothing he can learn from the, from the americans. now, other than thinking the view or he was going to present was the sort of vill, if i accept your a, he would be saying to america is that i accept everything you said you are doing not inviting me for this meeting with the russians. and then,

and he didn't want to a project, this kind of the appearance. so those 2 are of some people who are at the same project thing the parents that, that know offended that they want invited european need this. most of the they've clearly been left out of the conversation. i may have now tried to turn it and say we're not interested in resolving the conflict. we're going to send more weapons in . i mean, the birds are kept telling us for the last 3 years that they are ready to send more weapons to ukraine. i don't know, vendetta vague to do it, but then you repeat your opinions left out. that's for sure, by the united states, because, because they, they didn't participate fully in supporting this war. in ukraine they sent, they have it at the last case against russia and the

need vision and health. they do that the shares and the thing and the saw the dropout saw it. there was no point in having them having your feelings with them on the table. yeah, of course he is going to inform them at some point and then ask him today. it is not correct. also expressed his disappointments in europeans, not very much on both sides, but in c. e, cuz he is said verse to these effects that he was, he was up thread, a new craniums version that's ready to accept. it talks about your grades without your grade. this is what they said and it mean i, i don't know, it is his kids. he looks down today. he looks really down how k or how john lester, amelia newspaper. thank you very much for your time to speaking to us about today's

events. thank you. thank due to that is how wash is foreign ministry spokesman has described the use vision as a how the you quinn, conflict should, and the medium we see in nervous if not panic reactions on the west of the russian american contacts. it's surprising this reaction from the west regarding russian american interactions, especially considering that americans are part of the same west hopkins as be well, apparently it can be high level of russian american contacts are causing real hysteria among your atlantic results. we're witnessing what seems to be an unprecedented phenomena and international relations the imposition of their own participation in the negotiation process. you see this involves some british and you friends of this landscape miller shame which demonstrates and ability to move beyond its own primitive mindset of producing a hybrid war with our country until the last ukrainian look again at your being commissioner for defense under eskoville is what tirelessly insist that

a just world is impossible without increasing your principal power. but take a look at the ukraine. i'm addressing that you representatives. now, what have you done to that country? look at the people, the citizens of destination. what kind of power are you trying to increase each door wide and react to was focused on resolution co operation and donald in the you, the tone is different with the commission chief positive on the land. touching to run up on supplies to kids, the hon. gary and p. m said the who has known misfits opportunity to pay any real role and restoring peace it financially. and militarily, europe has brought more to the table than anyone else. and we will step up. we wants to partner with the us to deliver a just and less than piece for ukraine. now is a critical moments game, you know, if you keep the leaders of the great countries of europe, missed the moment when they could have taken the initiative on the russian war. in

ukraine folder, you institutions are not capable of an initiative. the council and the commission are composed of bureaucratic skills. there is no innovation at all that comes from there is the daily grind, no political vision or leadership. well, that's called slide. now to india, scheduled for information out to say at the nigerian diplomatic missions in tell many and the you k very good to have you with us this tuesday. i, i want to start off by asking you actually about the location of the totes, we add saudi arabia. it's not a western capital. you know, it's not washington. it's not long to, there's no power to me for what we might traditionally expect to see. events of the scale isn't meaningful in terms of the rolling of the global south and the new world rolled up. what, what i think the significant that's the folks are taking place. yeah. yeah. because

i think if you're looking for a neutral venue on such in quote to the strategic thoughts so that. busy is what are the best moment if you, well that's um, toltz is on way and you know, getting lots of pressure on this refresher to bring to bear on the totes that if you have that somewhere, if i had a weight perhaps needing to look to us you know, and kind of fries in appropriate venue so, so that idea is actually off the beaten track. but it's also very important venue. that's the kind of problem you know, relax. uh most yeah. see the discussion like this. and i believe that said, church was like, wait, cuz i gotta get them by the facility and it's supposed to be meeting happening within the region. and of course, i don't forget that so that a b a is not too far away from great. so going to be as quite so no clement relationship america. so i think that was a bit of a wait

a minute significant. and i think it's appropriate that i also want to ask you, i think everyone expected a waste of dramatic breakthrough when it came to the conflicts in ukraine. but what was interesting is that on the american team assaults and mancha kettle, who, of course, is the point man for the rule. wasn't that? what does that mean? does it mean that here the focus actually wasn't on ukraine? it was about the us and russia and ukraine is a small part of that relationship. yeah, i wouldn't be surprised that because the, the in, or uh, president trump a weekend even before you can was america for us. and quite a number of, you know, things it's number of was to be mended. and. busy of course, it's like a is trying to present terms administration is trying to do so,

but she wants to medical 1st. i'm looking also at the issues that i that i have been engaging america over the past case. and so, because i love the address which that's, i'm the america, so look, i'm trying to see how it is, you know, reset the issue should be able to get groceries when it's time. so it's been instructed, it can be with other process was and of course for the past as soon as you recreate what you know status or she has been so to speak out on the link. and of course, it's not something that america's many americans like the ones that i should see. what was, what i've been about, you know, little says little the world and all that. so.