happening reality is starting to emerge. it's undeniable. it's been a denial for the people that have been looking at this closely. but um, american politicians have not been they've been playing a game for a long time. certainly under the past 2 administrations, really. so what trump is trying to do, i think, is figure out what the truth is as a starting point. yeah, it's very interesting because david, a lot of people were very, very critical of pegs that the secretary of defense when he came out and said, would be administration's approach. no nato, for ukraine, no us troops. ukraine is going to have to except the territorial losses. and just as good, karen just said, i mean that these are facts, these are, these are, these are not creating political facts. these are hard realities and he was criticized for it. but i think that's exactly the approach that has to be taken. because from that point from starting from there,

then you can still deal with problems with both sides legitimately can raise. go ahead david. yeah, it's very refreshing that just the tops of trump administration officials talking a realistic way. i mean, everyone knows that, that's, that's going to be the, in the, in a peace agreement. there is no peace possible unless you know, a peace deal. is it a minimal acceptable to the russian federation? and so, you know, i think the truck ministration is, is going about in a good way. i don't think he gave up any leverage at all by making those statements because moscow, the other grimwood has made clear that there has to be some kind of an agreed upon piece framework. i'm that, that uh, you know, include some of their key elements of, of a piece deal. ok, in order for there to be a ceasefire. so i think i pj, accessed statements have moved us halfway there. that's a good point you um, but i also who gets a seat at the table here as a, as a farmer,

ukrainian diplomat. i would posit the following. you're obviously have the right to disagree with me. but zalinski gave away ukraine sovereignty, so it had it with the country with no sovereignty. it doesn't have a seat at the table, but that was a craven choice on the part of zalinski and his clique around him, which of course he did. he followed orders from washington in london and brussels. so too bad you gave away your thor i t b and he's not even with a legitimately legally the, the president of ukraine. so forfeiture. that's what to what did someone tell me a recent play. you play stupid games and you get stupid prizes. go ahead. andre. i would agree on the, on this, unfortunately, for my country, so lensky and the former government printing on a report shameful, has electric, right? and totally down in the loss of total sovereignty. after the 2014, where i was in the government, when we saw all these nice relations by the united states embassy united states

government on telling ukraine don't what to do, who to appoint who to fire and who to high and how to get ready the monthly and how to do the works and the government, basically we were a total on solver and country. and today, great has lost it. at the end of all of what, what was ready has happened was all the comic support, the west suspension office. and it's also gonna, obviously, at this point, the wednesday not only is, is not a legitimate president. he is not able to speak for the country itself. the country is looking for for change. the brain, france will, you will are, for, along with all this propaganda. do not want the last you there. so he does not represent the country. you cannot represent, you pay all the tech stocks. so what is the question? who is here, who represents the frame to the future elections, making the change because any of those is going to be elected are the, there's all position a crazy that it was destroyed by the west. and why?

because there was support democracy, he pray. and so there's nobody to choose from. so what is the answer? can you praise your representative properly? here? you have some candidates in the pony which is legitimate and can be part of the negotiations, but they can be only part of the rush, certainly likes these agree upon a deal that will be represented not only to print but such as europe itself because there are also lost and sovereignty. the situation is friction with basically the way it's always been on the computer to america. well, it, it, you know, again, as, as seats of the table. karen, the europeans obviously are furious, but they're not given a seat. but why should they be given a seat? they have they were entrust, did with the men's process? they were failures. not only were they failures, they lied. okay. they lied to the public. they lied to the russians. they lied. unfortunately, most of all to the people of the don bask, so they forfeited there was a seat at the table. and why in the world with zalinski in the you be given to see

that they don't want a piece, they want more? why should they be able to say a peace conference? go ahead. yeah, it should not be, space should not be. and i think um, you know, the, the ingredients, most of the admitted lives that germany and others who weren't supposed to be the guarantors of the makes agreements. they publicly invented some years later after rumors were people in suspected. this was the case, but they probably embraced it as if it was a positive as it lying. and, and lying about your commitments to piece even years ago in 2014. was that that was okay. that was okay. they were justified in doing that. so it is right for anyone who wants peace in europe. anyone who wants peace anywhere, they have nothing but contempt for most of the european leaders and they have not earned the right to see that it's not only that they don't want, they don't want peace. clearly they are dependent on this continued conflict, but they don't deserve a seat at the table and they cannot be trusted,

those individuals and those who are supporting the ones who, who lied about their guarantor function. and so we just want to strength and ukraine for more, more. anyone aligned with those people, it should, is automatically disqualified ends. lensky chose a very poorly what the friends that you would surround himself with. well, david, all the more so david, i mean, we did have a weeks after the conflicts started in 2022. we had the assemble process. again, zalinski forfeited his country's fortunes. okay. why would you trust someone like that to be around a negotiating table? i mean, he chose for himself and is, is a clique around him and is western friends. he chose badly for his own people. david, a wrestling right. you created a, you don't, they don't the service a seat at the table because they've, they've refused to sit at the table. i put and has been sitting alone at the table waiting for a, you know, the us and ukraine and i guess you to,

to join them in the conflict in, in uh, you know, dado leaders bite and, and ukraine of not allowed a lot rush it in the conflict with a negotiated disagreement. um so, um, you know, that's been, that's been 3 years. the a simple agreement was i think it would have been a victory for everyone. it would have been a win, win win for russian. it would have been a, went for ukraine. you know, russia would have withdrawn from most as 8 hope los ukraine could have had a 93 percent of its internationally recognized territory. and of course, rush the likely one of the next, the people's republic. some that don't ask in lieu hands, but that would have been the end of it. you prayed, would have been neutral. it would have been a peace and it would have been a had true security just as it had from 1991 to 2014, when it was a neutral buffer state between russian in data. you know, buffer stays, protect both sides of a rush would be protected against data regression data would be protected against

russian regression. and you know, we, there, you probably would not have lost 30 percent of its, of us population as it has done today. you know, on today the, the one group of people that are missing in this group equation are the ukranian people. we do know that for well over a year now and more than yeah, well over a year now, public opinion polls and ukraine and, and i'm sure it's not the freest environment to do public opinion polls. but a majority of people want a settlement. ok, again, a man that is no longer legally the president of your country is making decisions and that's even against the will of his own people. the yeah, of course. the sure the premiums are not be good at all. because the west is the basic closing down to craig, then are closing out anything on the screen. so called democracy because the war perfect goes, the people will flood the countries, but it's the price of the country are the people who left the army frame cannot

lead because they don't want the money or afraid to leave the country because the borders was going to get shot and they, nobody's human, the, nobody's even the people who are abroad transport in europe. we're in russia. there's millions of ukrainians and russia are who are and i mean heard of that. yeah. very easy for you are being basically put to the ground and nobody's talking about them. i just spoke to a couple of girls last week from some boston journal and they're like, oh, we hate tougher person because what direction? so, oh, so what the situation the rest is, i'm talking about with the russian federation, but i don't think i was wanting to talk about the real situation is tucker, cos, i'm talking to the restriction of russia and talking to put me talking to things while you're not talking and show the situation how the cranes are being thrown as a dog to the fact why they're not really quite. so what do they want? the real piece, the re, the one kind of piece, the death, or is it going to be control by the russia? yeah, there's a going to rush left, russia. that's what the war say. we just one piece of horseback and we just want

our country to be developing back again. that's what they want. but the west is know that this was the rise of the didn't want even talk about it because they are afraid of the truth because of the truth from top of the whole western so called the total weight of payment. what the, i'm on the right. you real, i'm very glad you brought it up. i mean, uh well over a 1000000, the thing is 1300000 ukrainians can came to russia after the, as i most started. okay. i've never heard that in history where the so called aggressor, except uh, uh, people playing for a bit apparently uh, fleeing to the people that are pressing them. but it's never mentioned in western media, and i'm really glad that you brought it up. all right folks, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue discussion on you can say without the media is the solution. if i'm supposed to have that us, do,

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i have to take a step back and, you know, look at our terms and conditions of engagement here is still here in the one the among people that want this conflict and they keep using the word ceasefire. that's not what the russians want. ok, trump wants an end to the conflict. well, i want the end of the complex, but for the conflict, the end, the security issues that russia has have to be addressed. it's just about going to be a ceasefire. it's not going to be november 11th, 1918. okay. that is that, and if it were that case that it would be easy, but russia is not going to accept that. that's not going to accept a ceasefire. karen? yeah, no, that's, that is true. and i think got a lot of what's going on now with a long meetings and, and even the hectic schedule is, i think the trump administration is, has been, i think we know we can, except that they have been very ill informed about the situation in ukraine he knows, i think trump the trump, people understand europe a little bit better,

which is why vance was so you really eating towards them when his meeting recently says, but the trunk people don't understand the bottom line situation. they don't have a clear sense. i don't believe yet, of the cars that russia holds militarily on a battlefield, in terms of the economy in terms of their messaging, which is russia's messaging has been so remarkably consistent from day one on this whole thing, but miracles and certainly trump wasn't paying much attention to that, so his people with cost is not an expert on ukraine. he's a deal maker real estate guy. so they are trying, i believe, to understand the ground rules and, and certainly trumps all about momentum. yeah, but i think they're learning, they're taking the time to learn and listen. and also trump has other has other priorities beyond ukraine. i think in very much he sees ukraine as a problem. russia, if he wants to be friends with europe,

he wants to continue to you really 8 and exploit unfortunately, which is i'm not a fan of nato, so i don't mind that. but for, for, for europeans, this is a bad time for them. and that's a totally different issue than, than killing ukrainians, which is something our us congress has been doing enthusiast equally well i, i wish i could have a share your sentiment when it comes to your, your opinions or getting what they deserve. okay. they need a mass of wake up call. alright, and well for, i'm not a fan of nato. anyone that watches program knows that, but i have to say care. and that i am, i gleefully watch the europeans destroy nato. not trump. it's the europeans that are doing it. okay. you know, when, when you're, when you're adversaries or an associate or a firing squad, don't get it, don't get in the way. okay. but that would, that'll be another topic for another program. david, do you worry that we, we may have, uh, our expectations may be too high a little bit.

yeah, i think there is, there is a chance that the, you know, the neo cons and the truck ministration might overestimate. you craze. position of us position as, as karen mention, you know, rush, it has been winning this war comprehensively. they inflicted probably 1100000 the printing military casualties have the costs of maybe 2 150000 russians of which only under a 1000 have been killed. so, you know, russia has an extreme advantage, $5.00 to $1.00 on a numerical advantage on most areas of the eastern front. and you know, it's important that, you know, i think the biggest area of dispute in any final piece agreement is going to be the militarization of deep rated military. you know, kellogg statements. we're just out radio. so, you know, we're going to build up the euphrates military modernize that after the war effort piece deal and, and that's completely unacceptable to russia. you know,

it has to be one or 2000. you creating a triple and mattresses was in the sample agreement on the russian side. maybe we can increase the size of the of the board regard forces that are would be non military. and if you cite conditions and we have to see the militarization of the, the for bloss. uh, you know, i think maybe that's one area that i, i hope that russia can concede to, to make peace a little the line of control. but i said, you know, i think trump does understand russia, he does have strategic empathy for russia. he understands me clear statement that you know, us would never accept, you know, within the country a lot are borders. so i, i'm incredibly helpful of what i see. i think overall, the truck ministration is doing an excellent job in it that causes futures with our or client states and nato. i'm fine with that. well, you know that i, again, you know, it's so much is being talked about ukraine, but what do you crate in spring 10? ukraine. i mean, didn't use, it looks like the, you know,

at least the current leadership or people in power and ukraine. they want to move towards a european union membership. um, uh, and that's up to the ukranian people. but i mean, did they do the, after all this is happened? do you think you crane can trust europe? i don't think the price and that's us. anybody have right now at all in this situation, the pre solitaire is already have 2014 the promises of the so called world geography union. and we'll start from trips to here and having talking to unit by pershing co, are now in the blood shit. and he prayed, don't you finance understand, but they need to be just be where they are. it was that you left hello. this is what the trumpet and restrictions thermostat and the western world. great, i still have to completely watch space is to start acting on it. and start getting all the us into groups out of your brain. there's more than 60 of them in ukraine

was per crime, ukrainian for, for, for front of the train load, sorry for war and the sofa assault. and that's a battalion groups for orbit prussia. and they were, i said, i sent the stuff in them today, so they have to do that. who they actually recreate at all. was the different sovereign comfortable that of course they do pray. she phillips, i shall at least be great of all where to handle that situation. what pressure activities have been made, you can access and rush here because the whole war will start. by the way, when you print into the source of your is the future of refrain, i think is not an option. you phrase up, but i shouldn't. but i think for me on today, but i think a ukraine may have a future at the us, a id would get out of ukraine and stop meddling. i mean, you know, you've tell you it's hard on the turn on bbc and, and out is here. and they have this, you know, human rights lawyer. okay. that speaks pretty good english. she's blonde, she's pretty oh, she's on the payroll of us. a id where you're not getting the opinion from

ukrainians. you're getting it from the, the, the foreign policy blog and the west that actually is against the trump administration, as we speak. okay. that's part of the route problem for ukraine. is it a, we get a very distorted picture of what people think. and needless to say that jones that you can see on telegram. karen, we, we're talking before the program started um 4 and a half hours, but that was the length of the 1st meeting and in riyadh and i'm, i'm pretty much bedding and you agreed with me. and i'd like to explain to our viewers that, that part, a good part of that conversation. if not all of it actually was about us russian relations. why didn't you, why were you agreeing with me? go ahead. well, i mean we've had this incredible of unbelievable gap in our us rest your relations with by and of course buying was not a, a confident, a leader of our country in terms of speaking to his fellow leaders. we know that,

but there was also the, a very aggressive anti russian view throughout dividing a government throughout the democratic party. and unfortunately, throughout the republican parties, you had bipartisan anti russian is um, uh, russ of phobia, institutionalized, for really over 4 years. so trump, uh uh, and of course trump was personally affected by this is his, uh, 1st impeachment related to that. and um, and i actually, the last case people is, once he's government, this is why is the landscape should be very nervous. you know, trump has some good features, but he also is the one who holds a grudge. he remembers people who have betrayed him. this is as loyal ideas, very important to him and it's part of his success. and he does not trust zelinski at all. so, um pers, on a personal level, so this is a all of this has to be fixed, but yes, the rest of the thing is most important. um also trump understands uh, you know, with his greenland down, but you know, he understands wrong materials. he understand strategic location. he does this may

be from a real estate perspective, maybe as an american imperialist, if you want to call it that. but he understands that. and so russia accounts you talk to russia, you negotiate with russia, you under make sure there is an understanding with russia, ukraine, unfortunately for trump, for personal reasons, and political we is, is a historical reasons. it does not count for him. so these, these early talks are definitely about the bilateral relationship, which is, which is good because we have to do that before we can find out what's, what thing you're creating and people deserve, which is piece. yeah, no data, it's a neutral piece. it is a piece that doesn't threaten anyone, a piece that is profitable, you know, in fact, you know, we, we know pieces profitable. it really is where we talk about how much money you can leave. only a few people make money from more peace. everyone becomes wealthy in a peaceful state and by and you know, care, you know, care, and after all of the bloodshed and all of the violence, there is the, the,

there is no hatred of ukrainians, and russian russians don't hate ukrainians. okay. you're with a u. s. a, i need help ukranian spread, russo phobia around the world. but after everything that's been the last is on both sides, they're still not animosity towards ukraine and ukrainian people against people like zelinski. well, obviously that's different. david, you know, one of the things i, you know, going back to 2014, the origins of this conflict. everybody, not 2020 to 2014. you know, russia in the united states don't necessarily have to be friends, but they should not be enemies. i think that's more to now than ever before. go ahead david. yeah, i think you're exactly right. and that's, that's the greatness of president trump. is it in a single day, he essentially transformed russia from an adversary to arrival in a competitor, rape our competitor, versus an anatomy. and that's something we didn't see and divided restriction in, in the whole key to us security is to as to neutralize the side of russian. why is

the way you do that is you be, is to be, have friendly relations with both moscow and vision. and to, you know, increase investments and ties with the, with russia, with india to, and this, you know, talk about a new security architecture in europe. it includes russia with indivisible security . the benefits all provide security at all. this is somebody that russia has been, been, uh, you know, advocating since that is the soviet union, the 1989. well, it, it could be and you know, all of you, i mean a historically. um, uh you all to is up a trail. i'll take you on the altar 2 point oh and a new york minute. if it brings peace, all right, that's all the time. we have a fascinating discussion. i want to thank my guessing basil, mount jackson and, and salt lake city. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. archie. so you next time and remember pressed on the

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