as the flags and pictures of those that were monitored during the is riley bum bob . and in the south, however, the president joseph our he gave a speech at the presidential policy and bob the on monday. and he spoke about not trusting what he described as the enemy meeting at the is why the forces he said he expects them to leave a lebanese silver integrity by the end of the choose day. however, this is contradicted by statement from the user id on false is which say that they are planning to remain in 5 points across the board that we've seen. and we've even filmed them constructing minute treat bases in those areas. these are areas of strategic and pull to now these ladies have said that they plan to stay there for several months. now. this is a clear breach of the terms of the c 5 agreement president will well, he issued the appeal to the united nations. he asked for the united nations to help remove the as ratings from lebanese silver entitled to weeping. speaking to the

people in the villages that they have very little confidence in the united nations . they said that they did very little to protect them during the is ready on bowman . and they also have very little confidence in the liberties on the of course, the liberties army has been pretty much helped us have been in southern lebanon, is the, is ready forces of open fire on women on children, on the elderly. so what the general feeling is, of course, today is one of unbridled joy people are returning to the land. and they've said very, very clearly that if the uniform, lebanese government isn't able to remove the is way the on forces, then the people will do it themselves. this, these really fidelity in southern lebanon. why still with our team to national, for all the latest from around the world? i'll see you again by the

the hello and welcome to cross talk, where all things are considered. i'm peter level. now the hard part starts russia in the united states agreed. the bloodletting and ukraine must come to an end. but getting there is hard, very hard. there is so little trust and the europeans who want the conflict to continue will do everything they can to prevent peace, the cross talking ukraine. i'm joined by my guess,

caring fields kosky in mount jackson. she's a retired air force, lieutenant colonel, having served at both n s a and the office of secretary of defense in salt lake city. we have david pine . he is deputy director of national operations for the task force on national and homeland security. and in bows. when we cross the on break the lease franco, he is a former ukrainian diplomat. all right, cross talk rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated. karen, let me go to you 1st and mount jack's and so many things are happening. it's hard even for us, that are new z people to keep up with it. but i'd like to start with a very broad brush question to you over the last, particularly last week or so. it seems to me that the post world war 2 security and importantly, cultural consensus in the west is falling apart. is that a fair characterization or it's either falling apart or the narrative about it is falling apart? one of the 2 things is happening. reality is starting to emerge. it's undeniable.

it's been undeniable for people that have been looking at this closely. but um, american politicians have not been, they've been playing a game for a long time. certainly under the past 2 administrations, really. so what trump is trying to do, i think, is figure out what the truth is as a starting point. yes, very interesting because david, a lot of people were very, very critical of pegs at the secretary of defense when he came out and said, would be administration's approach. i know nato for ukraine, no us troops. ukraine is going to have to accept the territorial losses. and just as good, karen just said, i mean that these are facts, these are, these are, these are not creating political facts. these are hard realities and he was criticized for it. but i think that's exactly the approach that has to be taken. because from that point from starting from there, then you can still deal with problems with both sides legitimately can raise. go

ahead david a. yeah, it's very refreshing to see the tops of dropping ministration officials talking a realistic way. i mean, everyone knows that the, that's, that's going to be the end, the end of piece agree with there is no peace possible and less, you know, a peace deal. is it a minimal acceptable to the russian federation? and so, you know, i think the truck ministration is, is going about in a good way. i don't think he gave up any leverage at all by making those statements . because moscow it was the criminal, it has made clear that there has to be some kind of an agreed upon piece framework . i'm that, that uh, you know, include some of their key elements of, of a piece deal. ok, in order for there to be a ceasefire. so i think peter accessed statements have moved us halfway there. that's a good point here. um, but i also who gets a seat at the table here as a, as a farmer, ukrainian diplomat. i would posit the following,

you're obviously have the right to disagree with me. but zalinski gave away ukraine sovereignty, so it had it with the country with no sovereignty. it doesn't have a seat at the table, but that was a craving choice on the part of zalinski in his clique around him, which of course he did. he followed orders from washington in london and brussels. so too bad you gave away yours for a t b and he's not even like a legitimately legally the, the president of ukraine. so forfeiture. that's what to what did someone tell me? oh, recently you play stupid games and you get stupid prizes. go ahead. andre, i would agree on this, unfortunately for my policy, so mc and the former government printing on a report shameful, has electric, right? and totally down in the loss of total sovereignty after the 2014, where i was in the government, when we saw all these, my probations by the united states embassy united states government on telling ukraine, go on what to do,

who to appoint who to fire and who to hire and how to get ready, the monthly and how to do the works and the government. basically we weren't a total on solver and country. and today is crazy, has lost it at the end of all of what it was really has happened was all they come out and support the west space and off the state itself. it can obviously, at this point, the wednesday not only is, is not a legitimate president. he is not able to speak for the country itself. the country is looking for for change. the brain, france will, you will, are, for, along with all this propaganda. do not want the last you there, so he does not represent the country. you cannot represent, you pay all the tech stocks. so what is the question? who is here? who represents the frame to the future elections, making the change because any of those is going to be elected are the, there's all position a crazy that was this point by the west. and why? because there was support democracy frame x. so there's nobody to choose from. so

what is the answer? tells you crazy, representative properly here. you have some candidates in the pony which is legitimate and can be part of the negotiations, but they can be only part of a rush and we've actually to agree upon a deal that would be represent the level and key frame, but such as europe itself because there are also lost and sovereignty to the situation. the suppression with basically the way it's always been on the computer to america. well, it, it, you know, again, as, as seats of the table care and the europeans obviously are furious, but they're not given a seat. but why should they be given a seat they have, they were entrust, did with the men's process. they were failures. not only were they failures, they lied. okay. they lied to the public. they lied to the russians. they lied. unfortunately, most of all to the people of the don bask. so they forfeited, there was a seat at the table. and why in the world with zelinski in the you be given to see that they don't want a piece, they want more. why should they be able to say

a peace conference? go ahead. yeah, it should not be, space should not be. and i think um, you know, the, the ingredients, most of the admitted lives that germany and others who weren't supposed to be the guarantors of the makes agreements. they publicly admitted some years later after rumors were people in suspected, this was the case, but they probably embraced it as if it was a positive as it lying. and, and lying about your commitments to piece even years ago in 2014 was that that was okay. that was okay, they were justified in doing that. so it is right for anyone who wants peace in europe and anyone who wants peace anywhere. they have nothing but contempt for most of the european leaders, and they have not earned the right to see that it's not only that they don't want it, they don't want peace. clearly they are dependent on this continued conflict, but they don't deserve a seat at the table and they cannot be trusted, those individuals and those who are supporting the ones who,

who lied about their guarantor function. and so we just want to strengthen ukraine for more. more. anyone align with those people? it should, is automatically disqualified ends. the lensky chose a very poorly with the friends that you would surround himself with. well, they've all the more so david, i mean, we did have a weeks after the conflict started in 2022. we had the assembled process again, zalinski forfeited his country's fortunes. okay. why would you trust someone like that to be around a negotiating table? i mean, he chose for himself and is, is a clique around him and is western friends. he chose badly for his own people. david, are you actually right? you created a you don't, they don't to service a seat at the table because they've, they've refused to sit at the table. oh goodness, been sitting alone at the table waiting for uh, you know, the us and ukraine and i guess you to, to join them in the conflict in,

in uh you know, dado leaders vitamin and ukraine if not allowed a lot. rush it in the conflict with a negotiated disagreement. um so, um, you know, that's been, that's been 3 years. the simple agreement was, i think it would have been a victory for everyone. it would have been a win win win for russia. it would have been a winter ukraine. you know, russia would have withdrawn from most as 8 of los ukraine could have had a 93 percent of its internationally recognized territory. and of course, russia likely would've been next the people's republic. so that i don't ask in lieu hands, but that would have been the end of it. ukraine would have been neutral. it would have been a peace and it would have been a had true security just as it had from 1991 to 2014, when it was a new to a buffer state between russian in data. you know, buffer stays, protect both sides of russian would be protected against data regression data would be protected against russian aggression. and, you know, we,

the ukraine would not have lost 30 percent of its, of his population as it has to. and today, you know, on today the, the one group of people that are missing in this group equation are the ukranian people. we do know that for well over a year now i'm more than, yeah, well over a year now, public opinion polls and ukraine, and i'm sure it's not the freest environment to do public opinion polls, but a majority of people want a settlement. ok, again, a man that is no longer legally the president of your country is making decisions and that's even against the will of his own people. the yeah, of course the here, the premiums are not be good at all. because the west is the basic closing down. you, craig, then losing out anything on the screen. so called democracy because the board is that goes, the people will flood the countries, but it's the price of the country are the people who love the army. brain cannot lead because they don't want the money or afraid to leave the country because the

borders was going to get shot. and they, nobody's human, the, nobody's even the people who are abroad transport in europe, we're in russia. there's millions of ukrainians and russia are who are and i mean heard of that. yeah. very easy for you are being basically put to the ground and nobody's talking about them. i just spoke to a couple of girls last week from some boston journal. they're like, oh, we hate tough proposal because what direction? so. oh, so what the situation the rest is, i'm talking about with the, the russian federation. what are the things i was wanting to talk about, the real situation? proper cost and talking to the restriction of russia and talking to put me talking to france. while you're not talking and show the situation, how the brands are being sold as a dog to the fact by don't not really question. what do they want? the real piece be free, the one kind of pieces that are going to be controlled by the russia is going to rush left russia. that's what they were faced with just one piece of horseback and we just want our country to be developing back again. that's what they want,

but the west is know that it was a life of the didn't want to even talk about it because they are afraid of the truth because of the truth from top of the whole western. so called the all the way the payment a what i'm under a real, i'm literally glad you brought it up. i mean, a well over a 1000000 a thing is 1300000 ukrainians came to russia after the as i most started. okay. i've never heard that in history where the so called aggressor, except uh, uh, people playing for a bit apparently uh, fleeing to the people that are pressing them. but it's never mentioned in western media, and i'm really glad that you brought it up. all right folks, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue with discussion on ukraine's stay with our team the

. the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to remind you were discussing you cream, the . okay, let's go back to karen. okay, we, i think we've kind of laid out the groundwork here about how to move forward. but as i said in my introduction, this is going to be very, very hard because to this, even with all the expressions of goodwill and wanting to get this done. finally,

i have to take a step back and, you know, look at our terms and conditions of engagement here. and he's still here in the one the among people that want this conflict, the end, the keep using the word cease fire. that's not what the russians want. ok, trump wants an end to the conflict. well, i want the end of the complex, but for the conflict, the end, the security issues that russia has have to be addressed. it's just not going to be a ceasefire. it's not going to be november 11th, 1918. okay. that they even if it were that case, that it would be easy, but russia is not going to accept that. that's not going to accept a ceasefire. karen? or? yeah, no, that's, that is true. and i think got a lot of what's going on now with a long meetings and, and even the hectic schedule is, i think the trump administration is, has been, i think we know we can accept that they've been very ill informed about the situation and ukraine. he knows, i think trump the trump, people understand europe

a little bit better, which is why vance was so you may leading towards them when his meeting recently says, but the trunk people don't understand the bottom line situation. they don't have a clear sense. i don't believe yet, of the cars that russia holds militarily on a battlefield, in terms of the economy in terms of their messaging, which is russians. messaging has been so remarkably consistent from day one on this whole thing, but miracles and certainly trump wasn't paying much attention to that. so his people with cost is not an expert on ukraine. he's a deal maker real estate guy. so they are trying, i believe, to understand the ground rules and, and certainly trumps all about momentum. yeah, but i think they're learning, they're taking the time to learn and listen. and also trump has other has other priorities beyond ukraine. here i think in very much he sees ukraine as a problem, russia, if he wants to be friends with europe,

he wants to continue to mitigate and exploit unfortunately, which is, um, i'm not a fan of nato, so i don't mind that. but for, for, for europeans, this is a bad time for them and that's a totally different issue than, than killing ukrainians. which is something, are you guys congress has been doing enthusiast equally well i, i wish i could have a share your sense. but when it comes to your view, your opinions are getting what they deserve. okay? they need a mass of wake up call. alright. and well, for a, i'm not a fan of nato. anyone that watches program knows that. but i have to say care and that i am, i gleefully watch the europeans destroy nato. not trump. it's the europeans that are doing it. okay. you know, when the, when you're, when you're adversaries or an associate or a firing squad, don't get it. don't get in the way. okay, but that, but that'll be another topic for another program. david, do you worry that we, we may have, uh, our expectations may be too high a um,

a little bit. yeah, i think there is, there is a chance that uh, you know, the neo cons and the truck ministration might overestimate you craze. position of us position is karen mentioned no rush. it has been winning this war comprehensively. they inflicted probably 1100000, the printing military casualties have the costs of maybe 250000 russians of which only 100000 have been killed. so, you know, russia has an extreme advantage, $5.00 to $1.00 on a numerical advantage on most areas of the eastern front. and you know, it's important that, you know, i think the biggest area of dispute in any final piece agreement is going to be the boss was ation deep writing and military, you know, kellogg statements. we're just the regular. so, you know, we're going to build up the, you created military, modernize that after the war effort piece deal and, and that's completely unacceptable to russia. you know, it has to be one or to 1000. you creating

a triple and mattresses was in the state of old agreement on the russian side. maybe we can increase the size of the of the board regard forces that are would be non military. and if you started conditions and we have to see the militarization of the, the for bloss. uh, you know, i think maybe that's one area that i, i hope that russia can concede to, to make peace along the line of control. but i, you know, i think trump does understand russia, he does have strategic empathy for rational anders, he's made clear statements that you know, us would never accept, you know, within the country a lot are borders. so i, i'm incredibly helpful of what i see a big overall the truck ministration is doing an excellent job. and if that causes futures with our client states and data, i'm fine with that. well, you know that i again, you know, it's so much is being talked about ukraine, but what do ukrainians think? 10 ukraine, i mean didn't use, it looks like they do. you know,

it least the current leadership are people in power and ukraine. they want to move towards a european union membership. um, uh, and that's up to the ukranian people. but i mean, did they do the, after all this is happened? do you think you crane can trust europe? i don't think the price and that's us. anybody have right now at all in this situation, the pre solitaire is already have 2014 the promises of the so called world geography union and to start from trips to deanna and having talking to unit by pershing co are now in the blood shit. and ukraine, don't you finance understand, but they need to be just be where they are. it was that you left the hall. this is what the trumpet and restrictions thermostat and the western world grain has to do that. so that's completely want space is to start acting on it and start getting all the us into groups out of your brain. there's more than 60 of them in ukraine.

was the premium for, for, for front of the train load, sorry for the sofa as all, and that's the baton groups for blood pressure. and there were some stuff in there today. so they have to do that, who they actually recreate at all. was the different sovereign public diplomatic for stadium pray, shut off, i shall at least the crate of all where to handle the situation with pressure activities of the major thing i station in rush here because the whole war was started by the wife. but anyways, praying into the source of your is a future free brain, i think is not an option. you phrase up, but i that, but i think for me on today, but i think the ukraine may have a future at the us. a id would get out of ukraine and stop meddling. i mean, you know, you've tell you, it's hard on the turn on bbc and, and out is here and they have this, you know, human rights lawyer. okay. that speaks pretty good. english. she's blonde, she's pretty oh, she's on the payroll of us,

a id where you're not getting the opinion from ukrainians. you're getting it from the the, the foreign policy blog and the west that actually is against the trump administration, as we speak. okay. that's part of the route problem for ukraine. is it a we get a very distorted picture of what people think. and needless to say that jones, that you can see on telegram. karen, we, we're talking before the program started um 4 and a half hours, but that was the length of the 1st meeting and in riyadh and i'm, i'm pretty much bedding and you agreed with me. and i'd like to explain to our viewers that, that part, a good part of that conversation. if not all of it actually was about us russian relations. why didn't you, why were you agreeing with me? go ahead. well, i mean we've had this incredible of unbelievable gap in our us rest your relations with by and of course buying was not a, a confident leader of our country in terms of speaking to his fellow leaders. we know that, but there was also the,

a very aggressive anti russian view throughout the vitamin a government throughout the democratic party. and unfortunately, throughout the republican parties, you had bipartisan anti russian is um, uh, russ of phobia, institutionalized, for really over 4 years. so trump, uh uh, and of course trump was personally affected by this is his, uh, 1st impeachment related to that. and um, and i actually, the last case people is, once he's government, this is why is the landscape should be very nervous. you know, trump has some good features, but he also is the one who holds a grudge. he remembers people who have betrayed him. this is as loyal ideas, very important to him and it's part of his success. and he does not trust zelinski at all. so, um pers, on a personal level, so this is the, all of this has to be fixed, but yes, the rest of the thing is most important. um also trump understands uh, you know, with his greenland down but you know, he understands wrong materials. he understands the strategic location. he doesn't,

this may be from a real estate perspective, may be as an american imperialist if you want to call it that. but he understands that. and so russia accounts you talk to russia, you negotiate with russia, you under make sure there is an understanding with russia, ukraine, unfortunately for trump, for personal reasons, and political we is, is a historical reasons. it does not count for him. so these, these early talks are definitely about the bilateral relationship, which is, which is good because we have to do that before we can find out what's, what thing you're creating and people deserve, which is piece. yeah, no doubt. if it's a neutral piece, it is a piece that doesn't threaten anyone, a piece that is profitable. you know, in fact, you know, we, we know pieces profitable. it really is where we talk about how much money you can leave only a few people make money for more peace. everyone becomes wealthy in a peaceful fit. and by and, you know, care you know, care. and after all of the bloodshed and all of the violence, there is the, the,

there is no hatred of ukrainians, and russian russians don't hate ukrainians. okay. you're with a u. s. a. id help ukrainian spread. russo phobia around the world. but after everything that's been the last is on both sides, they're still not animosity towards ukraine and ukrainian people against people like zelinski. well, obviously that's different. david, you know, one of the things i'm, you know, going back to 2014, the origins of this conflict. everybody, not 2020 to 2014. you know, russia in the united states don't necessarily have to be friends, but they should not be enemies. i think that's more to now than ever before. go ahead david. yeah, i think you're exactly right of that and that's, that's the greatness of president trump. is it in a single day, he essentially transformed russia from an adversary to arrival, and a competitor re power competitor versus an anatomy. and that's something we didn't see an invite demonstration in, in the whole key to us security is to,

is to neutralize the site or russian. why is the way you do that? is you be, is to be, have friendly relations with both moscow and vision. and to, you know, increase investments and ties with the, with russia, with india to, and this, you know, talk about a new security architecture in europe. that includes russia with indivisible security. the benefits all provide security to all this is somebody that russia has been been, you know, advocating since the days of the soviet union, the 1989 in you know, all of you. i mean a historically a you all to is up a trail. i'll take you on the altar 2 point oh, in a new york minute. if it brings peace, all right, that's all the time we have fascinating discussion. i want to thank my guessing basil, mount jackson and in salt lake city. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at archie. so you next time and remember pressed on the

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