a piano to move, but he had to bend to stay in campbell county in the republic of kenya. and today we talk about a great man, a humble man, a weiss man, judy s. com better idea that a of times any when history is written of african, great way more as he was fondly known, will stand found out because he was humility, personified. when he was asked at one time, are you up with a dish? and he said, i'm reluctant for the dish and all i ever wanted to be was to be a pitch. but i found myself in this space and i have to fight to liberate my country. it was at the time that he was in the forefront of the creation of some

great new offers a nation in union ton. and it was at a time when don guardlick at that time was a trust the 33 of the british because dunbar nick had been at 3030 of the germans. and he was in the forefront and struggled on the cause. he had his compact fluid flu. i in the struggle at that time, the point i could actually to go our, the young, the, or stuck on bone on dogs is on what is instructed is that when the wave of independence sides fastest on thunder nic call was going through the gay night independence fast in 1900, on 62, while even when you it is talk to joe more can you off ok on to a point on milton or bought a of you gun. done a backup with this and told them, or i'm prepared to delay the independence of done by you so that we can come

together and gain independence at one country. cannot that refused for both the refused. and of course, he proceeded with the tongue. you could be coming independent and i, you are late when they met in i decided by and one only has to read is based on that date. in may of the 1963. it said, we've come here not to remind ourselves of how important unity is. unity is important. and we also, it comes most unite of costs at that time on like kind of glue my it took the view that it should be a little gradual, but t apologize late a 99 to 7. but to you was

a person who would be in the building a nation. and this is all you see when we talk about is linda say for unity in 1900 . on 64, john play with the shake. a baby cut who may create and what is now tons of new with him as the president and cut who may are the vice president of the design divided produce on these stores. but only we are you nice thing here to show the even if sounds like a we must create one. come on. they told me, remember, there is enough and color to sounds and the, there is no, but the color and tons and it is a duty to create that bus. and that is always taught and on the task of creating a tons and in this side. first of all, all of us are brad. those that is white tons. indians called themselves and boom. as you told tons, onions, that is how you became the same as, as when you moving from one part of the times. and yet they are the i'm telling

them we must new is just like really because the a 100 on that is 6 languages in terms of the year. and today, tanzania is the only country in the continental wasik. united by one language gets to a healy tons and the is the only concrete off with the where you are born in ones. and you go to embed on become a member of by the a many people did not look at you. i tried the only country enough and when in 196070 came with the we gemma, he said we must have a system. we have people in the villages so that we can industrialize you. of course it was undermined by the west. they did all mangrove, think this cause this said if he's such scenes, is going to be a bad example to the people. but he continued and he took the view that the pot team must be strong on today as i speak. ccm.

show much. i'm up into the with was created in 1977 with the module of on a for a sheet. ozzy is one of the strongest spots easy enough with the, with the on the, on the he believed in order and in institution. and this is the other thing that when we knew that it was famous for remembering yet and left office when he was just slightly over 63 years. and he said, who does must know when to leave the stage and to allow as, as to lead on these said, you are not successful until you are successful, succeed when he left in 1985. he said, i'm going to insure and i wish that i'm able to leave, at least on the 2 presidents while my lives. i'll step aside then step down. i did the done the loud and we need to come in and after we yeah loud, we'll stop by to come in the all the time to settings up. i'm pretty sure what the

weight weight you have time we've come. then of course john joseph ponder muggle 40 and we know this to this is a man who believe in the find the on the i remember a 1995 when he was talking about the president that they needed at that time when corruption, i've taken root in times on the you said, we need a president tool, we'll do it to 3. the 3 things. one, president, where do you nice sounds like a president who will not talk about tribe and religion. that is the president that we need. we need a president way to fight corruption, a president who is solve the dish. we need the president who is the humble who knows that the state house, he's the only place he said, and cuz we're really only my highly fucked up if this faith house is the only place

when you go there you a duty is the sobs vinnish that isn't your day for you? i knew the times i knew i had to industrialize, but to industrialize through a brief cultural production today, when we see tons and the beginning to move in for the sufficiency busy of the 10 to 24000. yeah. is for a sufficient of 128 percent. one of the few countries enough because that includes the fish because of the foundation that more than we do just come. but i didn't you notice late. the pot to succession is from the, the hyundai low over the but on from one generation to the other. he was upon us with an east. that is why the find off with on freedom movement organization by created by the way you was headquartered in the still out there is not a single off with on the day and the solve the reason who did not stick refuge in tons and yeah, because she said this is your home during this drug it do,

i don't want lane. i was on be somewhat on myself. so, but the gotta be a little guy, be all of them. well, house the on the house just on school is, was billed for them in dire salon. uganda you waited a good time with 70 white house. there. he was a find out for countries who believed in optic on unity. he believed in his topic and community, and that is why he was one of the pioneers. he regretted, however, that he did not agree with the new bloom on the 6th day of march, the 1997. when he was invited to a crowd gone to talk about the talk on the occasion of the 40th anniversary of gunner's independence. he said, look with all my was arrived. we went wrong. we should have united africa immediately on the reminder. these orders that we never talk about the particular meeting, the meeting in 1965 in after i've gone when the cool my thought that there would be

unity i did toward his audience. when i moved out of that meeting, i had some president say, yeah. if we, you, and night we, we seems being presidents on minutes does and all these things. but he said, we do go up, but we drove away the cologne or this. we know the still here under the neo colonial project. but we are saying that is the duty of the next generation to 5 to ensure that we have talked to the independence. but he was not only and also because he was also part of the non aligned movement when the non aligned movement had been created with just the pros, detail with joe a lot of natural and of course requirement girl my on presidential con, no of indonesia, the younger generation who participated in strengthening the non aligned movement was of costs. judy has come back in your area and that is why he was the recipient

of the jo. are a lot of nettle award by the, in the under government because he was a believer in non alignment on the called the non a line the but positively neutral on that is why he said, you're not just going to look through the west for development. i'm going to go to china. i'm going to go to russia. i'm going to go to sweden, i'm going to india because of what? tons a new and africa needs. but those who i gin with he was also a globalist. that is why when he designed, he became the chairman of the south south movement, where he was one of the pioneers was talking about insuring the trunk file. acknowledge you moved from the north to this out. this is a man who was a great man. he was also wanting to lecture me on the lot of it this lady language and believed in the promotion of because lady language as

a unifying language. people do not remember this, but he's the only man ever to of translate into ships via into cuz like it is, julia caesar. he translated as judy as the guys already and of course the merchant of venice. asthma, but my decided was a nice so he was also an intellectual who believe that if you are lead to, you must be a leader who writes and educate the people he was set for that us. he was not corrupt. you know, when, when we left office him on going to the west on wild one the to find out if they had any money kept anywhere in the west of colon. and he had in his account the equivalent of $8000.00 united states dollars after being in power for 24 years old. and yet i had a yeah, the only 2 houses, one in the salon and

a small one in with them. uh. and it depends on yeah, and i need that built for him. uh, slightly big office. this is greatness personified. this is southwest. missed the bus sony fide. this is bon applicant, is a bus certified. judy has come, but i've been here at a is a bus and who is in the one of the great this off was going to be does, will lead on one of is great as it corrects when he became a piece make i remember you also update your left office, he tried to be one of the basement, goes into it, tried to make peace between one of the under one the he was one of the people tried to make peace between the democratic republic of congo and wonder. he was one of the peacemakers between the watering font is shooting down goal and civil war is one of the people tried to put towards the little bait to a good. do you know nato,

on your know, some of the hate looked up seemed to gather. he was one of the people who ensured that the solids and spots of south africa was liberated. and if you talk about him funded in those parts of the wild, the understand doesn't. bob, one is know him, them was on becomes know him didn't, i'm indians know him. the young orleans know him. the south africans know him because he was a leader who gave or for purposes of the liberation. and ultimately he was also, i can or i'll just show moves around the country and created a culture of humility amongst his people. so that today, when you talk about ways that tons on you and the thing that comes to you attends on in is a humble mind. even when a police officer and tons and the wants to address you. they say,

i request to address to that is, judy has come, but i'll get you to the money from this or not keep people in the i'm a, a great 9. did i didn't did history. does that remember him fondly? it is not known. you as a customer, luke, and as i speak to you now, there is a process of making him saying to you that of because it makes judge. thank you very much. we continue this discussion about africa and office ends with a view to understanding the my, the content. but let us take a short break. we've come back to continue the conversation the, the russians and the americans have made it clear they want to normalize relations after the disastrous biting years. at this point,

both appear committed to ending the conflict in ukraine for europeans and the ukrainians are not at the table. neither. the . i am theater removed from the with the goals on country club in nairobi, kenya, talking about the continent of africa. there's great content in the ties agreed prospect on the question and indeed the questions that we ask about uh include uh, ability to be great. oh great to then she is. we already know that when compositions held around the continent of africa, sometimes.