tv Cross Talk RT February 21, 2025 11:30am-12:01pm EST
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venue to do it, i can think of a better way. peter, essentially the same question too, because you know, every day there's this big oper are about who has a place at the table. why should your be at the table? why should you cry and be at the table? they don't want an end to this conflict. they want to continue what it's supposed to be the be the venue in riyadh was do as well. us and russia to re establish good, good relations or working relations and just stop the conflict. ukraine in the, in the europeans are not on the same page. peter a let me start off by agreeing with scott that the peacemakers are the true heroes . and i've also been given a lot of talks and interviews about you all to and it's a good model. but what i see as, as the concerns, and i have to talk you last night with my students about the over site, 3, the after world war one. and also if we look at the, what happened after world war 2,
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world war one ever side treaty fell apart pretty quickly and ended up indirectly leading to the rise of hitler and germany and world war 2. and then world war 2. since they didn't have a endurable piece is led to the cold war. now those weren't the inevitable in either case. but i think there was a lack of wisdom. and especially once treatment came to power. this is what after roosevelt died. i think we were on the course toward world war 2, world war 3 and it caused more for me, the question is, what kind of piece are we going to be able to negotiate? ceasefire would be a start, and we need to cease fire, or we need an enduring piece that reflects the interest of all the crucial parties involved. now, the united states has not, in any way respected russia,
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security interest for quite some time. now, we can go back to even before the cold war and the united states has had a treated russia as it ended me, except for a few brief moments when we work together. so i think what we need now in terms of the settlement of, of this war i understand why you. busy it is not included in the early stages, but at some point europe is going to have to be brought in. europe has been a detriment to the peace so far at the end. so i think we're going to need a kind of an understanding that's going to bring in all the interested parties. we need a stable security framework zacko in that, in that with respect brushes, interest, china's interest also you as your p and, and ukranian interest. and i think we can do that or we get it's going to take a lot of specialists to pull that off. yeah,
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i've set on this program for ever since the complex started. you have to go big and security arrangements for everyone. the indivisibility of security. that is not even been mentioned yet, but that's has to be considered a little okay. and in berlin is, is europe, sovereign is ukraine, sovereign? because that's what i said in my introduction, but neither earn deceit at the table because neither one of them are sovereign. do you agree or disagree with that? well yes, obviously serenity is a big issue for your, for europe, and then it depends on what you define is you of. i mean, is this the you or is here of france, germany and other states and even the so randy, question about germany popping up. so i guess, i mean, the weakest element in the whole sort of chain is definitely the european union. and to all the reactions to this piece supplement that missed the trump and putting in, visiting. so that is, i mean for me, it's a tragedy. what is happening? i mean, not that the piece of settled that i'm totally in favor of this, that,
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that i'm very happy that the peace makers put him in trump. i agreeing on having these negotiations. but there is a point in the think scott mentioned it that you must be or should be in somehow engage because would be really subscribe for. is something like a u, p, ukrainian, or russian. say a piece ocoee picture. and we had elements of that we had it in the means going into agreements uh, based the uh, is driving for a neutral and federal ukraine. we had it also in the couple fairies from and 191990 . and i think that, i mean, these other concepts, we have all the content and it's, oh, yeah, if i get it, if i could interrupt here, i mean, the security arrangement that has failed was against russia and without russia. and that is the equation that must change, you know, but that's what i'm saying. but that's what i'm saying. i mean, the whole ocoee picture that we have in visits in the, in the seventy's with a going by beauty boston. what else the bottom ends kizusky that was then settled
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in o, c, d, at 92, the top health care is basically all this has failed. unfortunately, it has failed, but it has also failed because of the american intervention that we have seen over the past 1015 years, at least. so they'll call me the big, biggest, most important point is whether europe, you talked serenity, whether europe could have and if so, how a sort of sort of a new pin stands that makes europe capable to build that piece order with russia. now instead it is right, there is one to it. let me go to scott here, but there's one word that hasn't been mentioned here. scott, it's nato ok in and 10, you're be sovereign in nato. they, at least to this point, it can't, it doesn't say and it doesn't seem to want it. let me throw that to scott a look. nato is a cold war artifact. it was created in different times under different
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conditions for different purposes. and since the collapse of the soviet union, nato has literally been a drift in search of emission. and also, let me put it this way. nato only works at the united states in europe are on the same page in terms of. ready as and objectives, even if those goals and objectives are flawed, which i believe they had been for the last decade in terms of trying to recreate a an adversary in russia. the justifies the continued expansion existence of nato. i disagree with that mission statement, but it worked for america in nato as long as they both agreed. that was the mission . and i'm just going to make this point right now. anybody who is seeking to build architectures of peace and stability in europe today, predicated on past relationships between the united states and europe. it's an exercise in futility. there is
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a revolution taking place in america today. and if you don't understand this, then you will not be able to comprehend what the future looks like. america will never be the united states that europe has thrown a custom to those days are over. there is a revolution that is redefining how america looks at itself and how america will interact in the world. there are many people out there who believe that this revolution could peter out in 4 years. and that american river return to what it was in the past. i think the level of disruption of the deep state of the establishment is so severe and so absolute that no matter what happens in the next election cycle, america will never the same. and if europe is hoping that america returns to, to what we were in the past, but they made a fatal error. you know, normally when the, when we talk about american presidencies in foreign policy,
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the foreign policy changes usually reach culmination at the end of the 2nd term. here we have trump among that, into the presidency. transforming not only how america views itself, but al america views the world and he will have for years to implement says well well, i mean, yeah, yeah, no doubt as we go to the break here. no doubt trump is in a hurry. okay. unfortunately, we're gonna need patients to get peace. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue on our discussion on the prospects for peace. stay with our team, the the
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show room. just to save house is the economy and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will support, we choose to look so common ground, the in february 2022 ukraine, the game, the world's number one, new story ukraine. ukraine. craig, you, craig, a crane pressure truce invited to crane names loan because spring test ukraine suffering from russian. the glaciers. replacing the main stream media and the night in the numerous were citing clean developed scripts that essentially say exactly
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the same thing using the buzz words of this as a threat to our democracy. when you see 10 different channels a exactly that sentence, you know that it's a central intelligence agency script. the role of p r firms in ukraine, throughout europe and into united states really can be overstated. it's quite different than it wasn't previous decades, where there used to be more of a covert role of propaganda, government propaganda operations. now this is just celebrated as p r in helping ukraine and helping get their message out to us. because who's pulling the strings and who is profiting the course it new wash. lots of stuff is a lovely out of the key at the fortune of us and that suddenness fortune. she goes away with the result of the story and pushing ne or studio. and i see for sure
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option that this be so for ship if we started last week and you want you to where it was today, he's going to your welski territory. so this could save the natural logos of it. so form a ship portion or the already me talk about a football i still knew about chavo in gold and i'm a site is close. i you was a category stores board us at ocean. i continue to go out and i get bull and now probably not sure the south, the strong, clear, but i still don't soc could. i could do so full, so comfortable with the post and discovery. smith task of bluish, who's coming out on the bus, which is still going to me. so i'm on the publisher. i'm kind of, i just, i'm a got the union goes to the talk about some level. yeah, i get to talk about it. there's dorski a whole bunch bundle of the circle comfortable the summer, but on they're not. i mean yeah,
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the desktop i do have both come similar to stuff. some of the the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lubelle's dry and you were discussing the prospects for peace. the . okay, let's go back to peter and besides that is the trans atlantic relationship in breach right now will ever return. i'm kind of going that sailing off of what scott said in the 1st part of the program. it seems that the, the post world war 2 era has finally finally come to an end. there's a breach when it comes to security and a cultural one as well. peter. yes, this is clearly, there is a breach of fundamental breach at the bridge and in many ways that's as welcome
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in europe has been playing a subordinate role. yours has victoria, along with us initiatives throughout the cold war and now in the post cold war. so this is a, a welcome moment. i'm not quite as optimistic as scott is about either the enduring impact or the positive attributes of this. i have a much more negative view of trump and scott's as, as a new order couldn't be much more along the lines of what musk with his fascist eludes and embrace of the half day or. busy or what the bands and the hex that they've been saying. but now i do support trumps initiatives. when it comes to cutting nuclear weapons, i do support trump's initiative when it comes to reconciling the relationship with russia. i mean, i'm very, very glad to see this and support in strongly on this. and i think it is changing
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the global architecture, a fundamental change of a sort that we haven't seen, you know, the, what the, when i look at what the u. s. policy has been toward russia, especially in the last 2 decades. i go back to brzezinski has 1997 grad s board where he talks about the strategy for we're getting russia and making sure it's never super power again, by resting ukraine away from russia saying rush, you will never be raising power. but the world has changed, we're in the multi part of the world. and i think that we have to recognize that and begin to sit down and, and establish new security guidelines that represent the interest of all the cruise, the parties here. so i do want to say that's i'm at that, that was talking about whether it's yadda or, or a broader summit. we have to include moti, we have to include little though, we have to include several others of the south africans because we need an enduring
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world answer to these crisis that we're facing, which is a global crisis at this point. yeah, i, i know the difference that the trump is a very diverse and figure that speaking the obvious here. i hope that he has the vision to do exactly what peter said. i tend to doubt it, but that's what we can look forward to possibly. uh, erica, in, in berlin. what are the europeans gonna stop talking about values and talk instead start talking about politics and geo politics? i mean, i, it's so exhausting. listening to these people. they just, they never say anything. crowd, look, we have to have a meeting in paris. well, they decided to have another meeting after that meeting to plan another meeting. i mean, it's hard to take europe seriously. really? they can even seriously consider their own interest. well, you're asking the wrong person because i'm also hoping that they stop very soon
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talking moral and tomorrow's and instead of interest. yeah. but going back to the natal issue of the transatlantic relations being smashed. i mean, this is precisely the point. i totally agree was caught and was pete that we have a sort of really a breathtaking moment here to manage. and obviously as a european, we talk serenity. the is a question about where we live we you will be if anywhere in all this sort of setting. yeah. and then you talk to me to and to, i mean the is this wording offload is, may keep the russians out. the americans in germany, don't you know, that was the role of nato. if we take that would today, the americans are going out and should be out. the russians would be in, i mean, in europe and not germany out, but europe. yeah. i think that is the vision we should have and indeed there's a multi point level to shape. and for me, the interesting question is that uh, i mean the interesting question, unfortunately, i think that you were just taking the wrong decisions, my call shorts, a maps, whoever would be the tenant chance left by next sunday,
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which is that it stead of seizing the opportunity that the american so moving out and giving us the chance to build again a piece order with ukraine address. yeah. that we base it. i mean, we've a, you pins, i going to enhanced the polarization of the whole to look after the munich security conference was about this. i mean, drama and tragedy. it'll pop up onto the same as the are okay. i mean we, you had the chairman of the, of the, the munich trash here. no, i'm sorry. he was crying. yeah. yeah. i trying like a child. i mean that what i mean, i can't, i can't disagree with anything you're saying, but i don't know where does this go to come from? okay, well, what was, what do, i'm sorry, what was it? it's a wake up call. no, it's a circuit breaker. that's what's going to go ahead. the problem is that they're still much of the penis type of spend and believe me, i was just bbc forward talking with somebody else. do you k was things that the only answer that you have. so if, if now is enhancing
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a weapons delivery at home seeing made or, or your piece friends, doing this patrol at the troops border security, you know, the call we don't every, the, everything they, they talk about now. i think i mean for me and i guess i, i agree was pete and, and, and scott about this here. i think that's the last thing you should do. so that is, i agree with you, a huge sort of work to do, to change or to turn around the you can thinking on this because we think should not be a what the drama to this uh that the americans are leading us, but saves the opportunity that this is a chance for europe is precisely to go silver and precisely to get the men see painted. so what i can tell you is the app people. i mean, i, myself, am trying to build a sort of critical, you'll be sort of a community was spend the odds and with a bunch of people and, and you tell you in french people, so they are those people. but we have been all pressed in a way because media winfree, you know, this. so it was hard to sort of,
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to bring these arguments into public tvs. but i think there's an opening now, and the more we can do about sort of spreading different answers to what it should happen. now. for instance, the is now a german move onto trinity. the is, know a couple of, you know, interim intellectuals who signed the declaration on gender neutrality. so all this goes back to sort of what is the piece on it? well, comp and a good thing. it would be for a if we're talking a e l to 2 point oh is to dissolve nato. then you can talk about being neutral. okay? and that things become a lot simpler. i agree, like, hey scott, you know, i'm going to have to pour cold water on all of this. you know, i'm, i'm glad the us and rush. you're a re establishing diplomatic relations. but the next step is going to be really, really hard. and i'm just going to give you a few words minsk assemble. ok, what, why are the russians going to trust this administration? i'll give you one word. trump. ok. if you don't
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understand that this man is unlike anything that says i want to, i agree. i mean, even peter will agree with you on that and they will all agree on that or for worse . yeah, and i, i get peter, i'm not my god. just so you. i'm not, i'm not either. i'm not, oh, i meant it. oh, it's been delivered because the of another truck cheerleader, i'm not here advocating on stating the fact. the fact is there's a revolution taking place for better for worse. and my advice to the russians who were watching the show is do not hold the standard of cash performers of america. up to this administration, this administration is giving you a once in a lifetime opportunity to change the way you work with america. take this opportunity and run with it. trump is destroying the establishment that hampered
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any positive movement towards us. russian relations, that establishment is being annihilated as we speak, the department of justice this the f b i. agents into my house because i did write articles for r t has been a vista rated, has been eliminated. those prosecutors are gone. and those epi, i agents are fired. that is gone. the pedagogy has been order to reduce its budget without any precondition in terms of peace with russia. this administration is going into a completely different direction, you know, who we headed the negotiations in riyadh. you might think it was marco rubio. you might think he was backed up by monk a waltz, but the it was woodcock. and you know, who is the most important man? on the russian side, it was curiel demetrius. why? because this was about the economy. and here's my other word of advice to europe. don't ever talk about the military again, because you cannot play that game, you can't afford it. you don't have the capacity, it will ruin you. if you're a point to see that the table find your equivalent of trail demitria sending to
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moscow begin discussions right now. how about europe can reconnect with russia economically because it's going to be the economy that's going to lead the way towards battery and relations. trump has figured that out rush, i think understands that europe needs to get on board. and unfortunately, ukraine is trapped because it has become a problem that is solely defined by the military. and it will unfortunately pay the brunt of the mistakes. yeah, yeah, but let's go back, let's make clear here. let's be clear here. you know, ukraine volunteered for this. okay. and you know, you, you, you play, you play stupid games. get stupid prizes. ok. i'm, i'm like, but assuming losses catastrophic. it never should have happened. but i'm not gonna let the ukrainian and lead off the hook. peter, we have ramos running out of time here. going back to the issue of trust. how do we get there? how do we start that process of building trust again?
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because i can tell you from where i sit, there's still 0 trust. go ahead. as well as a long history of why there's so little trust, scott's confidence that they're going to dismantle, that they've stayed in a way that is not gonna come back to life again. i hope he's riding in most respects we build trust by following through on our agreements. initially we're going to have to lift the sanctions on russia. we're going to have this. scott is emphasized to be economic ties. and that's a good place to begin. uh, we're gonna have to take additional steps, the ones to be ready taken in terms of forcing an end to this fighting. and i'd love to say the trunk follow through. and cutting the pentagon, the chinese response to drugs. it's a discussion of cutting nuclear weapons, was the arc and you talked about america 1st. why don't be the 1st that you got the
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front front can do this. you know, we can do the steps that the united states can take you to laterally to show its good faith at the end while it comes to the military when it comes to our bases overseas. i'm just back from okinawa, when it comes to our military spending. when it comes to our nuclear programs, we can take you the lateral steps at the same time is really okay on the on the po, have run out of time. i have a suggestion for donald trump, my 3 guest here at st. they should be on speed dial the you 3 should be on speed dial for trump to get every i or the okay, we run out of time, right? so that's it. i want to thank my guess in because of the berlin and in del mar, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. you next time. and remember us talk rules the, the
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